The Pipers Respond to Dever in the Baptism Debate

Desiring God has published the following response to Dever's contribution to the Baptism debate John Piper says-On almost every disagreement that Christians have about what should be believed and what should be done, someone is living in "unrepentant sin”—that is, they are not doing what they ought to do and they are not confessing it as sin.... The question is: what do we do with all these Christians who can't agree on what ought to be done and therefore do the wrong things and don’t confess it … [Read more...]

John Bunyan and the Grudem & Dever vs Piper Baptism Debate

John Bunyan has been brought in to butress Piper's posisiton which had suffered from the declaration of Dever for the other side. This remains a very good natured discussion, and demonstrates clearly the ability to be united around the gospel but disagree on secondary issues. Aaron Menikoff of the 9Marks Blog begins his post as follows -Maybe it simply worth noting that there is a long history, first in England, then in the States, of Baptists addressing the question of whether the unbaptized … [Read more...]

Mark Dever Joins the Grudem vs Piper Baptism Debate

I am really enjoying the latest debate on baptism and church membership. My "lite blogging" plan for August has so far prevented me from entering the fray and declaring my own thoughts on it. Mark Dever has now posted briefly about his views. It is great to see some of our theological heroes respectfully disagreeing with each other. It is a model for the rest of us. (HT Alex)Baptism SHOULD be required for church membership: Because Jesus clearly commanded baptism and to disobey this … [Read more...]

THE GOSPEL – Do Nothing!

Or, rather do nothing in your own strength. This post appears to be one of those rare posts that I and Dave Warnock (no relation) can agree on! It comes from Mark Lauterbach and is a post everybody should read carefully and fully. In the last year I have become increasingly convinced that the Gospel makes no sense to the natural man. Not only is it counter-intuitive to the unbeliever but it requires constant reminders to the Christian. I am so deeply self-help oriented that I quickly move on … [Read more...]

Wayne Grudem Replies to John Piper On Baptism

In this "battle" of two of our theological giants, Grudem has struck back, but admits his wife is on Piper's side on this one!I do not see denial of church membership as “virtually the same as excommunication,” nor do any of the Baptist churches known to me. Non-members who are clearly believers in Jesus Christ are welcomed as believers into many aspects of fellowship. They share in the Lord’s Supper together with members (in all but a very few of the most strict Baptist churches). They parti … [Read more...]

John Piper Disagrees With Wayne Grudem Over Baptism Graciously

As a model of how two friends can honestly, robustly, and yet graciously disagree over an issue of importance, see the following post I have re-titled "Wayne, Wayne, Wayne...". Justin Taylor has also linked to this, and there is interesting discussion in his comments section. I somehow suspect we may not have seen the last of this debate since surely Dr. Grudem won't pretend he hasn't read this!Lots of people know that Wayne Grudem and I are the deepest of friends. We love to room together at … [Read more...]

Wayne Grudem Changes His Mind on Baptism

Last year I intereviewed Wayne Grudem, the leading systematic theologian of our day — at least in terms of readership of his Systematic Theology. He spoke about changing his mind about baptism from a position that it is fine for a church to have a compromise position about it. You can read what he had to say here. Justin Taylor now reports that the relevant section in Grudem's book has been rewritten for a new reprint. Justin has the whole new section on his blog, but here is an extract: … [Read more...]

I DON'T WANT BALANCE, I WANT IT ALL!

UPDATE In January 2008, the following post was identified as the 10th all-time most popular post with readers of this blog. The 11th most-read post was The Atonement—Wright Attacks Both Sides of the Debate.Of all the posts I have written, this one is probably my own personal favorite. It is a rallying call to a kind of Christianity that is not ashamed to embrace the best from many different backgrounds.***************The last four words of the above title are not new to me, but they are c … [Read more...]

TOAM07 – Quotable Quotes

Pentecostal/Charismatic Post-It Notes has put together a page of short quotes from last week's conference. Here are a few that stood out to me from his longer list: "For many of us we don’t flow in the prophetic because we don’t understand our sonship. We can read many books, but if we don’t get it settled that we are sons, then we will live as orphans for the rest of [our lives] waiting for the command of God rather than the heart of God. The prophetic is not about just hearing words, but about … [Read more...]

TOAM07 – Pedro Reflects

My buddy, Pedro, kindly helped us with some of the live-blogging, and shared my hotel room. Here are his reflections on the conference. "Attending the Together on A Mission conference was, to me, a carefully orchestrated privilege from God that I will cherish all my days.Having so many people from 53 nations and various walks of life coming together all for the sake of Christ was awesome and very encouraging — indeed Jesus is alive. I have attended many conferences that have blessed me and have h … [Read more...]


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