Don’t Just Vote, Vote Biblically

As some of you know, I was privileged to travel to Haiti in 2010 with my parents, Greta Van Susteren and her husband John, and the Reverend Franklin Graham and his daughter Cissy.  Rev. Graham’s wonderful charity, Samaritan’s Purse, provides faith-based assistance to those in need around the world. 

Of course, his father Billy Graham has impacted the world for the cause of Christ in ways we can’t even imagine.  Recently, he announced a new effort to encourage people to “Vote Biblical Values.”  He wrote:

The legacy we leave behind for our children, grandchildren and this great nation is crucial. As I approach my 94th birthday, I realize this election could be my last. I believe it is vitally important that we cast our ballots for candidates who base their decisions on biblical principles and support the nation of Israel. I urge you to vote for those who protect the sanctity of life and support the biblical definition of marriage between a man and a woman. Vote for biblical values this November 6, and pray with me that America will remain one nation under God.

You can download his materials for your church and friends here.  So, on November 6th, don’t just vote. Vote Biblically!

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  • Sheila

    Mr. Graham sold out to politics. Last week he removed Mormonism from his website where it was listed as a cult. Someone who would do this has no business telling anyone to vote biblically. He either has no integrity or is being used by his family to further an extreme right wing agenda.

    Christians should also ask themselves why abortion and marriage equality are the only 2 values they care about? Neither of which are mentioned anywhere in the bible btw.

    • Ron

      Funny you should mention that marriage equality is not mentioned in the Bible. It tells me a lot about you! It does say that if a man lays with a man, stone them both! HELLO?????

      • Sheila

        Which verse says to stone them to death and which verse says they can’t get married?

    • Chris

      There are many issues besides abortion (choosing to terminate a life) and redefining marriage (its not about equality) that value voters care about. We also care about the future left behind for those unaborted lives that will inherit what we leave behind, including debt and poverty.

      We care about what happened to those brave American’s in Libya. We care about what happens to those in the grasp of Sandy right now along the east coast. We care about the education of our kids.

      Abortion gets a lot of attention because of just how extreme it is when considered what it does. It takes a human being and ends its life. No choice for them. The parents have a choice and because of their bad choices, an innocent life is taken. People seek to pass the judgement for what they have done, onto an innocent life. That is not something many of us can support.

      On marriage, it also gets a lot of attention, because it seeks to redefine what the family is and what we stand for.

      • Sheila

        Marriage has been redefined many times throughout history. I’m sure religious bigots like you guys were just as upset then of course. But the bottom line was it got redefined and nothing happened. Sure people had more rights, were treated with more dignity. But the earth didn’t burst into flames and flood.

        Since most conservatives wish for this nation to be solely a Christian nation why not demand it? Why not pass laws requiring all of its citizens to attend church. Stop teaching science and only teach Bible stories. If someone gets out of line – stone them. Force women back into the home where their sole job is to bear children and clean the house. Round up homosexuals and put them in camps. I mean if gay people shouldn’t be allowed to marry the person they love why let them have any rights? The bible is pretty clear how it feels about them. Most natural disasters are blamed on them. Conservatives should stop being such cowards and do something if they feel so strongly about it.

        • Bree Merr

          For all of you with so much angst about Christian values….
          Christians want to be intuned to God’s perceptions, instead of society’s perceptions. Here are a few among many verses that are meaningul to chistians about abortians and marriage.

          ABORTION These and many other verses are meaningful to Christians in their view of abortions.
          Proverbs 24:11-12 ESV /
          Rescue those who are being taken away to death; hold back those who are stumbling to the slaughter. If you say, “Behold, we did not know this,” does not he who weighs the heart perceive it? Does not he who keeps watch over your soul know it, and will he not repay man according to his work?

          Ecclesiastes 11:5 ESV
          As you do not know the way the spirit comes to the bones in the womb of a woman with child, so you do not know the work of God who makes everything.

          Psalm 139:13-14 ESV
          For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well.

          Marriage: These are some of many verses about marriage that are important to Christians.

          Matthew 19:2-9 ESV
          And large crowds followed him, and he healed them there. And Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful to divorce one’s wife for any cause?” He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.” …

          Isaiah 61:10 ESV
          I will greatly rejoice in the Lord; my soul shall exult in my God, for he has clothed me with the garments of salvation; he has covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decks himself like a priest with a beautiful headdress, and as a bride adorns herself with her jewels.

          Ephesians 5:31 ESV
          “Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh

          • Sheila

            Thanks for these versus Bree. I especially liked Matthew 19:2-9 …” What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.” Why didn’t Billy Graham include divorce in his message? The bible CLEARLY states that we are not to divorce. Considering all the angst on your side about gay marriage I find it curious that there isn’t a similar level of angst about divorce.

          • Bree Merr

            Sheila, Mr. Graham wrote a small article about voting not including every topic available in the Bible. There are many versus about divorce. For topical study this is a good site. http://www.openbible.info/topics/ topical bible
            There are 2 general kinds of people on this blog.
            Those who are comfortable with the Bible and are not conflicted, but believers in God’s authority.
            Those who find verses to be conflicted about because of their own personal ideas… they are their own authority. Also they have angst with those who accept God’s authority.

            Hopefull all will come to some peace with the scriptures.

          • Sheila

            Bree I don’t understand why conservative Christians do not have an issue with divorce. If protecting the family is one of your core principals and the reason to deny marriage rights to same sex couples then certainly you would recognize that divorce is a far greater threat. Yet I have heard no politician mention this. I’ve seen no legislation introduced to overturn divorce laws. Pastors don’t talk about it in their churches and states are passing amendments banning it. There is a credibility gap for me because again if marriage is so important and sacred and biblical then divorce should have been important enough for Mr. Graham to mention. Or maybe christians have different sets of rules. Maybe they have no problem restricting rights of others but don’t want to do the same for themselves. Thats hypocritical to me. And dishonest. And not biblical.

    • mlynn

      I am sorry Bristol, i totally agree with Sheila. I love the Graham family but i love the Lord the most! I was so sad to see the Mormonism removed from the cult lists. He should have just left it there for we know (the Christian community) that this election is very important as far as our freedom is concern. I hope you or your mom may ask the Graham, why. I still respect them and will pray for them as i always do. I am not judging, just disappointed. Thank you Sheila for standing for the truth and light.

    • Bree Merr

      Sheila you are unaware of what most Christians hold dear. That allright you can’t help it. Most of your posts reflects so much angst against people. We hold dear the Christian values which are many. We live in a free country which allows us to choose the candidate who stands for principles closest to principles that we hold . I am not a Mormon. But Romney reflects far more values than BHO that I want to vote for.
      Mylnn Christ told his followers to render unto Ceaser what is Ceasers. Who do you want to be Ceaser? BHO or Romney? The sound advice Mr Graham expressed can be embraces by all Christians.

      • Sheila

        Mormons believe that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers. And they come from a different planet. They believe that their god Elohim impregnated Mary. They believe that when you die you go to planet Kolob….after you have been judged by Joseph Smith of course. The believe the Book of Mormon is more sacred than the Bible. If they were a different color conservatives would hate them and certainly wouldn’t vote for them. Oh they also believe that their god cursed black people and make them that color.

        Bree are these the values that you identify with so closely?

        • Bree Merr

          Sheila, I am not voting for the foundaton of Mormon religion or any religion. God is the ultimate judge of all of us… yes you too. I am voitng for the principle that are closer to to the principle I want to vote for. Obama does not come close. Romney is a genereous, principled and talented in the fields that will be a help to turn around the horrible policies that Obama has blanketed the USA. I do not expect you to agree with me and I am fine with that. I hope you will be angst free some day.

    • Bree Merr

      This has been the most intersting post and a clear picture of different foundations.

      Mostly conservatives are comfortable with God’s word, God’s authority and embrace that foundation. His Word is understood within the framework of the entire Bible. We live, plan, make dicisions, work,, raise families and vote with that foundation. It is in every aspect of our lives. We support blogs such as this.
      We recognize differences among us, but what we have in common is the glue that binds us.

      Mostly liberals are conflicted by God’s Word, God’s Authority and have another foundation/foundations.. His word is often used out of context to minimize God, queston His motives, authority and purpose. Their own perspective is held above scriptures. In my humble opinion with so many conflicts, they are not confident in their own foundation(s), so their futile effort to solve that is to fantasize they can invalidate the Christian foundation. They are parasites on a conservative blog to fantasize their “faux accomplishments” with phony confrontations & “challenges”. If they are parasites on a liberal blog they are with their own kind with the same conflicts. They want to live w/out God’s ultimate authority… and they are really bothered by those who accept God’s authority in their personal lives. Very conflicted, negative paradigms, with lots of effort and energy into attempting to invalidate believers.

      They by their own words have painted a very clear picture of some of the differences between conservatives and libersls. We are confident in our foundation… they are conflicted and w/out a solid foundation.

      • Sheila

        Bree I am not conflicted by “God’s Word” at all. Just because you choose to believe that the bible is “God’s Word” doesn’t mean that I have to. I see the bible as a collection of stories written by people with various agendas. These stories have been passed down for thousands of years and interpreted many times. I don’t see the point of God needing men to write down his “words” to us. Certainly when he came to earth in human form as Jesus he had hands and a brain and could have written whatever he wanted to say to us. Why does someone else need to tell us what Jesus/God has to say. Why didn’t Jesus just write it out himself? He could perform all kinds of miracles but it never occurred to him to maybe write a few things down? How nice would that be…no middleman. No hearsay. Jesus’ words in his own handwriting. Think of all the sadness and pain that would have been alleviated because people wouldn’t need to constantly fight over what was said and who said what.

        One more thing…just because some liberals come here to dispute what is being said..or to vent their frustrations at Republicans…or for whatever reason hardly means we are conflicted, unhappy people. I love my life and am very happy. For many of us this us just fun. Debating/arguing can be fun. And who doesn’t like making fun of self-righteous, narcissistic people like the ones who post here. I find that so many of you are bothered by the comments because no one has ever challenged you in life. You’ve surrounded yourself with people who think exactly the same way. Your bias has enabled your mind to discard any information that goes against your belief system. I certainly don’t expect to change any of that. Years of programming by churches….years of being forced to conform to what you think society expects of you can certainly not be undone by me.

        • Bree Merr

          Sheila, you have just validated my comments and don’t even know it.

          • Sheila

            Same could be said of you too Bree :)

          • Bree Merr

            Believe it or not.. Sheila.. I wish you happiness, peace of mind and good will.

          • Sheila

            I do believe it Bree. I’ve read many of your posts here and believe you are a good person. We disagree on pretty much everything but I certainly have no ill will towards you.

  • Chris

    Great post and a lot of America’s problems stem from many if not all of us at some point, taking our focus off of God and others and focusing on ourselves and our pocketbooks.

    For a long time , people have voted with their wallet in mind, not the future they would leave to their sons and daughters. It is past time we change that and start voting biblically. Once again, great post!

  • Amy

    I know that Mitt Romney is not 100% pro life, but will make it diffcult for the majority to have aboritons. I will vote for him, but pray for him to change his view on this issue.

    • Cali65

      Too many kids are getting abortions at a very young age. Abortion is not a means of contraception, which for years has been given FREE to anyone who cannot afford it. I am not letting abortion rights and free phones tell me who to vote for, however, when I see that a certain someone is a member of the Down Low club, and a Man’s Country Club for years, I feel that there is more of a fake in office now than ever. Check out the Down Low Club and see who started it… read about it… this was brought to the Public’s attention in 2007. No, I will not vote for him. I put my trust in Mitt Romney.

  • Becky

    Sheila, the Bible, does indeed, speak of abortion, Lev. 18:21 “Neither shall you give any of your offspring to offer them to Molech, nor shall you profane the name of your God; I am the Lord.” (See also Lev. 18:21; 20:2-5; 2 Kings. 23:10; Jer. 32:35). Sacrifice of children in this case was throwing them into the fire of the idol.

    Marriage is also spoken of, in the New Testament (as is divorce) and homosexuality is called an abomination in both the Old and New Testaments.

    People, no matter who they are, have free will to choose their own paths. Our task, as Christians, is to tell them of God’s Word and desires for us, but not force it on them, and to pray they will make the choice for Christ and God, not their own desires and Satan’s path.

    • Sheila

      Becky the bible (well God actually) also instructs people to murder newborns many times…as well as rape and pillage people they are fighting.

      Since you mentioned divorce why aren’t conservatives as vocal about this as they are gay marriage? God doesn’t want people to divorce…it is a HOLY union that he sanctioned. If have NEVER seen a single republican or conservative candidate say anything about over turning divorce laws in this country. Why is that? And why aren’t Christians upset about it? With a divorce rate of over 50% divorce is much more of a threat to marriage than 2 men or 2 women.

      • Kevin Vita

        Sheila, you are so full of hate!!! Me, I am conservative and try to respect everyone’s beliefs!!! I wish that everyone would want to be Christians. The Bible offers a very clear path to all on how we should lead our lives.

        • Sheila

          No I’m not full of hate. I’m just tired of conservative christians telling everyone how to live and not practicing what they preach. Jesus pointed out hypocrisy in the bible and no one says he was full of hate. Maybe you should look at yourselves.

    • MiddleRoader

      No offense, Becky, but that particular quote does not address abortion. Offspring does not mean fetus. There are other quotes which previous posters have cited which can be seen as anti-abortion, but even they are somewhat debatable. This is not an argument for or against voting Biblically (although it’s not really my choice); I’m just saying that voting Biblically means different things to different people.

  • http://berkerblog.blogspot.com SueB

    I’ll put this on my FB timeline. Thanks, Bristol.

  • Lisa

    Do any of you Christian Conservatives care about the lives of the 3,000,000 dogs and cats put down (often gassed slowly and painfully) in the U.S. EVERY YEAR. They have a soul and no sin-just an inconvenience for their arrogant, entitled humans who most likely declare themselves good Christians (just ask those Republican, Christian good folk of Missouri who love their puppy mills aka ‘puppy hell’, or the Amish and Mennonites who also love their puppy mills and the big money it brings). Seems to me right-wing, Christian Conservative, Republican, and money-greed replacing ethics all belong in the same sentence. Have any of you ever wondered what it must be like living in Palestinian ghettos and losing your baby as you’re held up at one of the Israeli checkpoints in advanced labor? Or the hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraquis murdered since the WMD war? Didn’t think so. Or actually done any research about Mitt Romney’s unethical business dealings-Monsanto comes to mind-how could he go in and represent the producers of Agent Orange, toxic-polluters of the Great Lakes. Hmmmmm…..I guess cause HIS family doesn’t live nearby.

    • Sheila

      Agreed Lisa! Thanks for the post.

    • Bree Merr

      I don’t like to think of any living creatures’ life taken numercifully… especially little babies. over 50,000,000 of them. All human beings have a lot to learn, don’t we? Thousands of yrs of human efforts with little overall progress of changing human hearts and motives. Great inventions yes, terrible inventions, yes. but our hearts need to change. God help us all. When Jesus returns.. all will be changed for the better.

  • Lauri Fitzsimmons

    I’m a little puzzled…in Leviticus it also says that eating shrimp is an abomination, and wearing clothing of mixed cloth is an abomination. Many things in the Bible are written to have been relevant in the time that it was written and was translated into many different languages. I am a proud Christian but I am not a “pick and choose” judgmental Christian. Just ask yourself how you would respond to this post if Sarah Palin’s teenage daughter were a Democrat who had a child out of wedlock. I personally don’t care, but your own hypocrisy about issues that drive you nuts are baffling to me.

    • Bree Merr

      God is neither a Republican or Democrat. He is God. Creator, Giver and Sustainer of life. He has laws and principles to live by. He gives us His word. We can choose whether He is our Authority in all matters. We can choose to pick and choose what we accept or ignore, and we choose to debate Him, and we can choose to rebel. Haven’t we seen all of these choices thruout history? I am so glad to be in a country where I am free to choose. Hopefully that won’t change. I won’t kid myself.. some want to rid this nation of God’s Laws, The name of Jesus, and to make this a secular nation. That should be taken into consideration when voting, … the freedom to worship God and live by His principles.

      • Sheila

        Bree name one elected official or candidate who wants to take away your right to worship who you choose? Name a single piece of legislation that would accomplish this. Stop using scare tactics to win elections. This might be what your comfortable with because churches have historically used fear to get people to conform. You can tel people about heaven all day long but once you start talking about a fiery pit of hell then you get commitment. Doesn’t that seem manipulative and sad to you? Shouldn’t people love god simply because,they want to and not without the promise of heaven and eternal like or the fear of eternal damnation. Change is coming. The church needs to adapt, true spirituality is coming back. The old ways and fears are quickly being discarded.

        • Bree Merr

          Sheila, I have not commented about heaven or hell. Check out what God says. This will help.. http://www.openbible.info/topics/ topical bible. Comments to your comments: I don’t see God as manipulative. Some do. Yes change is coming. No human or human organizations have ever been perfect. People do love God because of His love for people and the sacrifice of his Son offering eternal life. Instead of proving that some want Jesus out of the picture.. how about you proving that it isn’t the case. Christian public prayer, christian scenes etc are offensive to many who want Christian practices changed or eliminated, etc. etc. There are trends. Sheila, what is really the issue that concerns you about the Bible? You don’t have to answer to me or any other human being. None of us have to answer to another human being about spiritual matters. I personally have no problem with God, His word or His laws. Why do you have a problem with my lack of problems with God’s Word? You can’t seem to let go. Challenging me reflects more on your personal conflicts, not mine.. Sheila, I really do feel for the conflicts you have. No human being can solve that. It is a spiritual issue.

          • Sheila

            Bree I never said I see God as manipulative. Its the Christians who are manipulative. And why are you so concerned with me “letting go”. I guess I could say the same to you since you feel the need to reply to most of my posts. Maybe you can’t “let go” of me. I’m sorry I cause you so much angst.

            I noticed that you didn’t answer my question. You stated that “some want to rid this nation of God’s Laws, The name of Jesus, and to make this a secular nation.” and to consider that when voting. Yet you provided NO evidence of this. This is fear mongering and manipulation. Again can you name any public servants who have stated they want to rid this nation of Gods laws, the name of Jesus and make this a secular nation?

  • Thomas Hubbard

    Sssssssssssssssssh I will not waste my time on some of you, I do know our Founding Fathers turned to the Bible and prayer in making many of their decisions in forming the Constitution. Oh by the way the Mormon’s have been through much reform in the last decade or so, knowing that much of their former policy’s were that of man not the Lord’s and have ajusted themselves. Yes I will be and have been praying!

    • Sheila

      So you don’t have a problem with Mormons adjusting some of their “policies”. But I’d imagine you don’t feel the same about Christians and their beliefs.

  • Jason

    This is exactly why there is supposed to be separation of church and state. Not only does the first amendment give freedom of religion but it also gives freedom FROM religion, our founding fathers saw the danger state sponsored religion could inflict because they lived through it. Just because some people decide to follow a certain religion and have certain beliefs does not give them the right to force them onto everyone else whether through political office or any way else.

  • Sharon

    I agree, Sheila what made you hate everyone so much? Thanks for the post Bristol, I will be sharing it on my fb as well. Sheila don’t bother responding to my post because I have read all your posts to this point, but it stops here. I will not have such negative person invade my time or my beliefs. I pray someday you find happiness.

    • Sheila

      Thanks for reading all my posts Sharon. Sorry to hear that you aren’t open minded enough to listen to other points of view and maybe learn something. Oh we’ll I will that you find happiness and become a less judgemental person. Shalom

  • Joseph

    Amen! Thanks for sharing this, Bristol! I’ve always liked Billy Graham; he’s a great man of God. And Happy 94th Birthday, Billy Graham!!!

  • Thomas Hubbard

    Sheila I guess you’d rather live under Isalm. We Christian object abortion and homosexuality yes but it is a not a matter of hate. Under Isalm homosexuals are to be executed. Now under Isalm if a women is raped she is looked upon as an Adultress and must produce three men witnesses to prove the rape, a women adultress is to be executed by a member of the family to save face. Also women who are not of the Islam religion and refuse to convert their production organs are to be muilated. You need to go to http://www.womenagainstshariah.com .

    • Fado

      Thomas, who said anything about want to live under Islam?

    • LeAnne

      God bless you for standing up for the God of the bible and the God of love!

  • http://FB Cricket says

    ABO 2012 …… ABR 2016!!!

  • MiddleRoader

    So, if I vote Biblically and choose this verse: “And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.” (Matthew 19:24) , then both candidates are poor choices, but Obama is the lesser of two evils. But I choose not to vote Biblically; I choose to vote on issues that I feel are most important to the country, like jobs, the economy, foreign policy, etc. To each his own.

    • Frederick Lang

      Middlereader. That verse applies to those who wish to take their riches with them when they die and/or who also wish to retain their riches at the expense of not sharing it with the less fortunate or at the expense of their own souls. That means, they would rather keep their earthly possessions no matter what it takes. Romney has proven he is willing to give up his riches for the greater good and did that by donating his income to charities and not even take an income as governor when in office. He has already vowed not to accept the presidential pay. He is a giver of wealth to those who need it. I wonder what Obama has done with his millions lately? Does he plan to take it with him when he dies or does his philosophy of life allow him to loosly hold onto wealth as an end unto itself? With that attitude(if he holds to it), it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than someone trying to take this worlds wealth with them to Heaven.

      What makes you think by not voting biblically will do the opposite of creating jobs or keeping the peace except by staying strong with a powerful national defense. We don’t live in a world of peace and those who hate us and wantt us dead will be less willing to attack us or our interests overseas if we remain strong in defense and willing to protect those foreign interests. What has Obama done to maintain the peace at our consilate in Libya lately, except to cut our defense by a trillion dollars over time? You really need to understand what it really means to vote biblically….you’ll find out we are better off believing the one and only true God than believing in allah, the god of war and hate and the god of those who wish us dead. That means me and you and our families.

      • MiddleRoader

        Whoa, Nellie. First of all, I don’t know how Allah got in the mix. But leaving that aside, your interpretation of Matthew 19:24 is reasonable and legitimate. However, it is not that only one. Everyone reads the Bible throught the prism of his/her religion, personality and beliefs. For example, Catholics interpret Sheila’s anti-abortion quote ((“Rescue those who are being taken away to death…) (Proverbs 24:11-12)) to extend to capital punishment, yet many Christians support the death penalty for serious crimes, citing, among many other quotes: “Who so sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.” (Genesis 9:6) And if you didn’t agree with my interpretation of the eye of needle quote, consider this one: “Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.” (Mark 10:21) This, too, has several different translations and interpretations. Taken literally, it disqualifies not just Obama and Romney, but most of society as well. My point is, vote Biblically, if you choose, but realize that your Biblical vote may be vastly different from someone else’s Biblical vote, depending on which Bible verses speaks to them, and how they interpret them .

  • Sheila

    A vote for Romney is a vote for Mormonism. If you don’t think Bishop Romney will bring his beliefs to Washington and this country you are sadly mistaken.

    • MiddleRoader

      Sheila, I’m not a Romney fan, but the man practically bends over backward to downplay his Mormonism, without disavowing it. Of course, his religion shapes his views, but I don’t think a vote for Romney means a vote for Mormonim any more than a vote for Obama is a vote for Christianity, or a vote for Bush was a vote for Methodism.

      • Fado

        Middleroader Romney bends over backward to downplay anything he might believe in that costs him
        votes. Personally I don’t think he believes in much.

        • MiddleRoader

          I agree, but that’s why I disagree with Sheila. If he gets elected, he will be thinking about re-election from Day 1 (not all that unlike other presidents). And so he won’t be pushing LDS views. (After reading Marie’s post, I’m going to try to use that term, although I don’t think LDS people are offended by “Mormon”.) I really don’t think either candidate is pushing a religious agenda, although both pander to their bases. In Romney’s case, it’s the religious right; in Obama’s, it’s liberal groups.

      • Sheila

        I agree MR. Just having some fun :) I thought Donnie and Marie would at least get some laughs. Geez they released a double album which opens up to reveal the planet Kolob for Christs sake! :)

  • Melissa Ortiz (@DCBelleonWheels)

    Bristol, thank you for posting this.

  • David

    Bristol, thanks for this Post.

    How can anyone – who actually looks at what Obama has done to this Country since he has been in Office – still want to Vote for Obama ???

    Vote Romney/Ryan on Nov. 6, 2012 !

    • Fado

      I can. I like what he has done for this country.

      • Sheila

        Me too!

  • Keri Norton

    Thank you Bristol for sharing. Just a clarification on some of the comments: the separation of church and state is for the protection of the people to practice their own religion; it is to keep the government from forcing a state religion on the people. Nothing Rev. Graham stated says he wants the government to enforce one religion on anyone. He just asks voters to vote what they believe to be Biblically accurate.

    • Fado

      Keri, he wants to put his religious views into the law and thereby force it on everyone.

      • Sheila

        That is correct Fado. Christians want to pass laws implementing their religions beliefs.

    • http://yahoo.com millie

      keri,

      Thank you for your post and clarity on this statement that the Rev. Graham made.
      As you state northing Rev. Graham states says he wants the government to enforce one
      religion on anyone.

      If I might say on the other hand our President wants to push his agendas on the church like the
      Catholic church being required to include in their insurance benefits birth control/abortion. That is
      in violation of Separation of Church and State as to what it was establish for and goes against that
      religions beliefs.

      What will be next!!!!!!!

      • Fado

        Catholic schools, hospitals and other agencies are not being required to cover abortion costs in their insurance plans Millie. They are however, being required to have contraception included. The church does not have to pay for this and no one is saying the employees have to use contraception. It is simply their for those that choose to.

        And let’s been honest: Catholics contracept at the same rate others do and the Church is well aware of this.

      • MiddleRoader

        IMO, this issue is too complicated to discuss in short posts on this site and deserves its own forum, but I will ask this: Why is it OK for states to require insurance to cover contraception? (Apparently it is the law in 28 states, and only 8 exempt Catholic hospitals and universities.) I realize that there’s considerable debate over whether separation of church and state extends to the state, but you’d think the Catholic Church would not submit to this without a fight. Also, religious freedom has its limits; it does not not trump the law of the land. Some religions allow polygamy, but it’s still illegal. Parents who deny necessary lifesaving medical treatment for their children can, and are prosecuted. Practically speaking, laws made today take mainstream U.S. religions into considerations when they make law. This is why there are some religious waivers. And why religious employers are not required to provide or pay for contraception coverage. (The insurance is required to directly offer her contraceptive care free of charge.) These exceptions were made not just to respect religious freedom, but to respect almost ¼ of the U.S. population. As far as I know (correct me, please, if I’m wrong) if my employer happens to be a Jehovah’s witness, should he/she is allowed to exempt blood transfusions from my insurance. But probably, if there were as many Jehovah’s Witnesses as Catholics, there well might be.

  • Laurel Girl

    For further clarification, Reverend Graham is just that—a reverend. He is not an elected official. Does he have influence over folks? Sure. But at the end of the day, he does not FORCE anyone to vote one way or another. He is entitled to his way of thinking just as you are yours. I saw no mention of any endorsements or names listed in his quote. Sure, it’s up for interpretation. I know how the candidates feel on the issues, so obviously, I know what it means. You don’t have to like Jesus. But when you want to strip away what our nation was founded upon, well, then you cross the line. It’s Civics 101. We all learned during the Chick-fil-A debacle two things: Christians don’t have free speech and liberals don’t have tolerance. Why else would you spin your wheels trying to destroy a person and their business over the fact that they are pro-traditional marriage versus being anti-gay marriage? It’s common sense, which unfortunately isn’t very common anymore. I love vanilla ice cream. It’s what I will pick time and time again. By me saying I love vanilla ice cream, inevitably I will have someone proclaim they like chocolate, rocky road, peach, etc. And out of nowhere, someone will declare I must hate strawberry simply because I said I like vanilla. Seriously? Yep. One person said they were pro-traditional marriage and immediately that person is a hate monger. It’s an adult version of bullying to be afraid to have an opinion that differs than what most people SAY publicly, even if they don’t really feel that way behind closed doors. Truth is, I have several friends who SAY they are for Obama because they fear the aftermath of not publicly endorsing him-fearful that they’ll be labeled a racist or a bigot. Yeah, free speech sure has a lot of costs associated with it. You can pick apart the Bible to suit whatever side of the fence you’re on. I cast my vote for performance, not personality. I cast my vote for experience, not eloquence. I cast my vote for the person who, in my humble opinion, will be able to lead with both his heart and his head, who wants AMERICA to thrive. You can tell me I’m wrong, and that’s your right, but it won’t change how I feel. By spewing hate at me, you only further prove that I made the right decision to vote for Romney/Ryan.

    • Fado

      Laurel, the problem with Chik Fil-A is not about free speech. It’s about their discriminatory behavior as employers and giving millions to anti-gay groups. People spoke up and made this known that it was unacceptable. Oh, and THEY were exercising their freedom of speech by doing so. You actually have it not just wrong, but also backward.

    • Sheila

      Laurel the CEO of Chic Fil A did a lot more than just say he was for traditional marriage. Here is his exact quote: ” when it comes to legalizing same-sex marriage, I think we are inviting God’s judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at Him and say ‘we know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage’.

      Considering the fact that the gay community has been blamed by the Christian right for every natural disaster and even the terrorist attacks on 911, its clearly very irresponsible for him to say what he said. He is telling America that god will send judgement to this nation (ie PUNISH US) if we allow gay people to marry. That is wrong and it is dangerous. It instills hatred of gay people. It causes gay people to get blamed for things that are not their fault. It causes harm to come to them. If Mr. Cathey had made these comments about ANY other groups (Jews, Blacks, Irish) he would have been condemned by your side. For you to say this is just a free speech issue and the left isn’t tolerant is wrong.

  • Patrick Mulcahy

    It’s time we stand up as a Christian nation. Remember the days of Noah? Sin is worse today and increasing. God is in control and there is a huge price to pay for sin. For those who disagree don’t bother to debate this biblical truth. Jesus loves all and only wants blessings for you. It has been said that we are a Christian nation of approximately 80% of Americans. Don’t miss your chance to vote. We must stand together and 80% will make a huge difference. For your information. This message not about me it is about obedience to the word of God.

    • Fado

      Christian nation? Who says so? Just because the majority are Christian does not mean the country is. Separation of church and state…. Ever heard of it?

    • Sheila

      Perfect. Patrick just proved my point Laurel. Christians think god punishes America for sin. So any group they deem are sinners are targets. Again very dangerous and not very Christian. Let God judge people. Pretty sure thats what the Bible says. And as Fado so accurately points out we don’t pass laws based on ANY religious authority. It is very short sided of Christians to believe that they will always be the majority. Continue to set precedent and some day you may find yourself on the short side of the stick when the group in majority TELLS you how to live and what to believe. Don’t think it can happen here? Ha!

  • marie

    WOW! Its obvious you know little about Mormons (shiela) and have chosen to believe misconceptions and hearsay. Its a shame so many people do the same. The Mormon church is one of the leaders in so many different ways of aid to the needs of others both here and abroad. They do so much service for people and the community no matter of what religious affiliation someone may be. I have never heard such malarkey as what was posted. If people post something about a group maybe they should take the time to learn so they can post truth instead of hearsay. I mean really…from another planet, go to kolob in death, judged by Joseph Smith etc.??! Mormons ARE Christains, the book of Mormon goes along side with the Bible, they DO NOT believe in poligamy….one is removed from the church if they do. If your going to judge a group,any group, find out what they’re about. I know most members would much rather sit down and explain something than have someone continue to believe such crap. Most people don’t even care enough to learn the name…its not called the “Mormon” church, they don’t worship Mormon, or Joseph Smith. They worship God the father and his son Jesus. I shouldn’t say “they”, I should say “we”…I am a life long “Mormon”and proud to be one. That’s who I am and what works for me and my family. If your not that’s great, that’s what works for you. Just be a little more responsible with your words and what you say guys. Course I am asking for this down at the bottom of the page in one of those comment sections, what am i thinking?…its just people usually seem to have a little more common sense in this one than in most. LDS.org -learn something people! The site wont try and convert, just inform.

    • Bree Merr

      A good informative post Marie

      • Sheila

        Not a good post Bree. Marie misspelled polygamy (which I made no mention of btw) , she accused me of “malarkey” yet failed to dispute my claim that they believe Jesus and Satan are brothers. In fact she really didnt’ dispute anything I stated. Do Mormons believe God lives on the planet Kolob or not? What do Mormons believe happens to us when we die? Where do we go? There are plenty of accounts from church members about these beliefs. There is even video of their “veil” ceremony. I’m not saying that Mormons aren’t good people but they do believe in some very different things than most Christians. Why Christians have chosen not to investigate and look at these differences is very telling to me.

        Let me put it this way. If Obama was Mormon Christians wouldn’t be voting for him because of his “radical” beliefs. If you are honest with yourself you will know this to be true.

    • Sheila

      Marie,

      Why did Donnie and Marie record their albums at Kolob Recording studio in Provo Utah? And why is the Osmond’s record company called Kolob records?

  • marie

    Sheila, I am disputing what you’ve said and I’ve never in my life heard the word ‘kolob’ before your post, or anything about a different planet, & ask Donnie or Marie why they recorded where they did. I didn’t reply because I’m at work and can’t spent all day on the internet. Yes we believe Jesus and Satan were brothers as in ‘all man are “Gods children” as it says also in the Bible….when I have time to look up the verses I’ll post it. As for my spelling, you got me there, I’m not perfect…that’s not something I spell out every day. I wasn’t being rude or making tongue in cheek comments. I was merely pointing out falsehoods and asking people to try and be informed of the things they are trying to pass off as fact. As they (meaning everyone) should regarding any group,race, religion, etc. Spreading lies just breeds more prejudice and hate.

  • Noelani

    As to Bristol’s post:

    ‘A’ohe ola o ka ‘aina I ke ali’i haipule ‘ole
    Translation: The land cannot live under an irreligious chief

    • Fado

      Who says so Noelani? Obama is a Christian, but I couldn’t care less what the Presidents religion is. Separation of Church and State. Having said that, I do wonder about someone who believes in magic underpants or that the world is a few thousand years old……

  • Sue

    Are we voting for a Presicent or for a Spititual leader? I would rather have a Mormon as a President than a Muslim. Remember – the enemy will try to overtake America from within! What better “within” place than the President of the United States.

    • Fado

      I don’ t care if a President is Mormon, Muslim, Catholic or any religion. Or no religion for that matter. All that matters is that there is separation of church and state.

      Now having said I do recognize it would be difficult for a Muslim to win an election in this country, which just goes to show you that do many American mistake Muslims as terrorists.

  • Frank

    If you “vote Biblically,” wouldn’t that signify casting lots at random (e.g., Acts 1) and allowing God to bring forward his own choice?

  • meloryscott

    Thank you Bristol, that is the only way to vote.

    We must declare a day of celebration on Nov 7. Celebrate and thank the Lord for delivering us from Barack Hussein Obama. And we must never forget. And Romney better be good, else the same lot awaits him in 2016.

    • Sheila

      Be sure to wear your magic underwear!

      • meloryscott

        If I was a Muslim, would you mock me for wearing a burqa?

        • Sheila

          Of course I would. It’s idiotic to wear them. Especially on a beach!

      • meloryscott

        Let me ask it this way: Do you also ridicule Muslim women for wearing a burqa?

        • Sheila

          Of course I do. It’s all silly to me.

          • Sheila

            They are just as brainwashed by religion as those who think under garments provide them special protection.

          • meloryscott

            Ok. I was wrong then. I thought liberals believe in live and let live.

          • Sheila

            Ahhh….the timeless straw man. ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

          • Sheila

            Hey melory. Do you think Candidate Romney should be asked about his beliefs? Our current President had to answer many questions about his faith and what he believed…even though he respects ALL religions in this country by not wearing his faith on his sleeve. If Romney wins should the press investigate his faith? I just want to know if you think that would be fair?

            Personally I don’t think it should even be brought up. I didn’t ask my employer what his faith was when I accepted a position at his company. I don’t ask my doctors what their faith is when I’m sick. I have no idea what faith my banker has nor do I need to know what my dry cleaner believes.

    • Fado

      You’re funny melory!

  • meloryscott

    The trolls better enjoy this week, after next we, NO MORE OBAMA !!!!

    • Sheila

      Either way the jokes on you. Romney is a rino who won’t repeal roe vs wade nor pass a federal amendment banning gay marriage. If you think your vote for him is a biblical one your fooling yourself.

    • Sheila

      How did that work out for you Melory?

  • meloryscott

    should be “after next week….”

  • Gregory Russo

    I have not reaqd all of the comments to bristol’s Post yet. However, I do want to say great post bristol.

    It’s grat that bristol got a chance to go to Haiti. I am not sure what the precise meaning of “vote Bibilicaly’ how I do belive that there is a universal God between through the largest religous faiths.

    Moreover the U.S. has a Separate Church and State. There is a reason for theand the Bill of rights and the 10th Amendment. We need to vote for people who will put the U.S. Consitution above all else. Yes, Romney was my former Governor.

    I do plan to vote for Romney/ Ryan and other GOp candidates in Massachusetts.

    Don’t forget to vote.

  • Gregory Russo

    There is big disconnect between the Romney’s Faith, his family life and how he governs.
    I don’t think he will be any different. . Ann and Mitt are from Michigan, but he raised his family in Massachusetts.

    I don’t think Bristol’s family knows Massachusetts or the Romney’s well enough to understand what we are about. Remember Separate Church and State and the U.S. consitution.

    yeah I have seen the various Documentaries about the Romneys and Mormonism. There I find them very to be informative. however This does not reflect on how Mitt will govern.

    =

  • Gregory Russo

    I just realized that Bristol does not mention Voting for Romney, nor for GOP. She is only advocating “Voting biblically.”

    It is still a great post.

    • Piscean Gal

      not a great post, there is something called the Constitution that says there is a “separation of Church and State.”

  • marie

    With Mitt Romney in the news so much, it has brought forth a whole plethora of people on the internet who are so kind as to inform me of what I believe as a Mormon. I am so very greatful for their wealth of knowledge. I mean here I was all this time believing that if I was really good I would go to heaven. Totally not so! Apparently, we (Mormons) after death, go to a place called Kolob-a different planet, to and are then judged by Joseph Smith. *I kid you not, I actually read this today!* and this person knows this for a fact because Donnie and Marie used to reform under a label called ‘kolob records’. Whew, I am so glad they made the decision to share that with the world. I would hate to think i could be in the wrong place. Its a relief really. I mean, maybe that’s were all the people with brains have gone…and the ones with common sense, and integrity, and appreciate differences…etc., etc. I LOVE people who know me more than I do. Its gotta be true if it was on the ‘net, right? Its funny how people who know everything about Mormons and what we believe, don’t even know the actual name…(*hint* its right there on the side of the buildings.) Its just as funny as when they tell me I’m not a Christian.

    • Sheila

      Marie I think you have to be really rich and or famous in order to get into club kolob. But Romneys going to cut our taxes 20% so I’m sure u can save up enough to get in.

    • Sheila

      The first published reference to Kolob is found in the Book of Abraham, first published in the 1842 newspaper Times and Seasons and now included within the Pearl of Great Price as part of the canon of Mormonism. The Book of Abraham was dictated in 1836 by Latter Day Saint movement founder Joseph Smith, Jr. after he purchased a set of Egyptian scrolls that accompanied a mummy exhibition. According to Smith, the scrolls described a vision of Abraham, in which Abraham:
      “saw the stars, that they were very great, and that one of them was nearest unto the throne of God;….and the name of the great one is Kolob, because it is near unto me, for I am the Lord thy God: I have set this one to govern all those which belong to the same order as that upon which thou standest.”

      • Sheila

        Also Marie I noticed u didn’t comment on a couple of things. Does your church believe the Book of Mormon is more sacred than the bible? Also are u aware of your religions history of the treatment of black people?

    • Piscean Gal

      Marie, you sound like Mitt Romney in yet another recorded interview he gave in 2007, in Des Moines, IA, where he admitted that anything that came across his desk that favored ( a woman’s right) CHOICE, he vetoed. Look it up on youtube, it’s there..

  • marie

    Sorry…meant to type record not”reform”

  • Isabella Doxon

    I don’t believe the same things Mormons believe but anytime I hear someone disparage them I say this…. We may not believe in God the same way but I have never met a Mormon I didn’t like. They are good people who try to do the right thing and have wonderful values. If we all followed their family values, our country would be a better place.

    • Fado

      Isabella, I suspect their ” family values” you talk about would not make the world a better place for homosexuals. To be honest…..

  • meloryscott

    “If Romney wins should the press investigate his faith? ”

    Press, what press?

    • Sheila

      Typical conservative response. Dodge the question.

      • Piscean Gal

        Well, Sheila, I think his religion should come into question, absolutely…

  • marie

    Its funny the discussions Bristol’s post sparked. I read her post & I figured I’d quickly scroll down and see all the extreme left wingers in here pitching a fit because a Palin mentioned (gasp!) the Bible again….because it is so funny when they freak out like that. I must say I was disappointed I didn’t get to see much of that at all. It was mostly about Mormons again (*yawn*) and how our secret society is trying to control the world ;-)~ I think maybe I’ll go blog something about teaching my kids to target shoot. That should get the extremers nice and riled up ;-)

    • Sheila

      Sorry you didn’t’ know you belong to a cult Marie. Don’t feel bad though a lot of people here are in the same boat as you.

  • Fado

    And sorry you also don’t realize it’s not even Bristol Zoalin doing the posting here. Lots of people in that boat with you too Marie!

  • Gregory Russo

    Stop this non stop bashing, Sheila. This discussion of mormonism is. It is not right. First of all the original post is not about Romney, nor the Mormon faith. Bristol is not promoting the Romney, nor the Mormon faith.

    I do support my Former Governor Mitt Romney for president. He made a great selection for Vice president Paul Ryan, who is a Catholic.

    I do know lot about Mormonism, although I am not a member.

    Sorry, for posting I am really surprised about the discussion about Gov. Romney/ Mormonism.

    I do think the words “vote biblically” is simple, but it is a little controversial. To try to define it is difficult.
    I do think it is good though.

    Although, i do support Romney/Ryan.

    What i could say is that these Vote bibilicaly

    These issues won’t be even on the top of the Agenda, Economic Issues will.

    Obamacare will be gone

    • Sheila

      Gregory,

      Lets discuss some of the things the Christian right has said about President Obama: He’s a Muslim, He’s a sleeper cell terrorist, He’s the AntiChrist, He’s a Kenyan, He hates America, He’s a Marxist, He’s a Communist, He’s a Socialist, He’s a Homosexual.

      And you scold me for bashing Mormonism? Well to start with everything I’ve said about it has been discussed by either current Mormons or those who have left the religion. And while it doesn’t mean that all Mormons believe these things ( and frankly I could care less what they believe) the point I’m making is that President Obama’s faith has been so scrutinized…every association looked at…told he “pals around with terrorists” and attends a radical church that hates America…yet for Romney the Christian right is giving him a complete pass. I grew up in the Evangelical church and was taught that Mormonism is a cult. Less than 2 weeks ago it will still listed as a cult on Billy Graham’s website. So why can’t we discuss it? Why aren’t Christians discussing it? Clearly they have some views that don’t jive with what Christians believe. Yet no one mentions it. Don’t you find that odd?

      • Sheila

        Oh and in case you haven’t heard the latest people are now claiming that Obama created Hurricane Sandy with a secret governtment program so that he can affect the election. Apparently he created the massive storm so he can swoop in and rescue all of us and we will vote for him. I think the percentage of mental illness in this country is very underestimated.

        • Gregory Russo

          It is not a matter of wether or not Mormonism is a cult or not. I take issue of you not staying on topic of discussion on this particular thread.

          I am an Anglican. My religion is older then yours. I have a different point of view of Mormonism, but what i have stated previousily still is true here.

  • bellagrazi

    Good advice. But we also have to make sure that the candidate is fiscally responsible and has rock solid principles. Wish I could vote for your mom, Bristol.

  • Gregory Russo

    It is not a matter of wether or not Mormonism is a cult or not. I take issue of you not staying on topic of discussion on this particular thread.

    I am an Anglican. My religion is older then yours. I have a different point of view of Mormonism, but what i have stated previousily still is true here.

  • Gregory Russo

    The difference between church and State. The dispute over what the founder’s true intent has gone on since the founding of the United States. Look at the Federalist Papers, The U.S. Consitution as wll as the Supreme Court opinons over the years. It is a very complex topic for discussion here.

  • Gregory Russo

    Depending on what the issue isWether or not, for examples Religous schools and hospitals is madate from the sgovernment on what they do not belive in force to do something that violates there religous principles.

    Employees or patients can go find employment or care elsewhere.

    We could on this topic for awhile a still not no clear conclusion to this separation between church and State,

  • Gregory Russo

    Depending on what the issue isWether or not, for examples Religous schools and hospitals is madate from the sgovernment on what they do not belive in force to do something that violates there religous principles.

    Employees or patients can go find employment or care elsewhere.

    We could on this topic for awhile a still not no clear conclusion to this separation between church and State,

  • Sheila

    Truth!

  • Frederick Lang

    Where is that statement in the constitution, Bill of Rights or the Declaration of Independence..Fado!? Voting biblically is a constitutional right and an individuals right under the Bill of Rights. Our Declaration of Independence was written for a people who wish to freely excersize their God given rights to life, liberty and the persuit of happiness. NO where is that statement uttered in any official US historical document during the forming of this great nation. Congress shall “pass no law” with respect to an establishment of religion. So far, no ‘LAW” has been passed by Congress establishing any ‘church denomination’ as the official state church/religion as was in England. Whatever transpires in this country short of that act by Congress, any talk of religion is a free excersize anywhere in the United States by anyone, anytime they wish! There is no “seperation” except what you as an individual wants for yourself. If so, you have the right to avoid it or ignor it. So, I suggest you simply ignor the good, sound judgement to vote biblically by voting in a moral vacume. That’s your right as a citizen!

  • MiddleRoader

    Fado, in fairness, asking people to vote Biblically does not violate separation of church and state.

  • Fado

    Fredrick, in granting religious liberty , the First Amendment separates church and state. And you may want to appreciate this because while you may want to force your religious beliefs on others ( eg. Disallowing gay marriage) you certainly don’t want the laws of other religions who may gain power forcing its laws on you. Separation of church and state is a good thing.

  • Sheila

    LOL!

  • Fado

    But politicians governing based on their religious beliefs violates church and state Middleroader.


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