He Hasn’t Even Started High School, And He’s Taking a Stand

It’s hard to believe this can happen in America, but it has:

Jared Marcum is 14 years old. He just graduated the eighth grade. And if prosecutors in Logan, W.Va., have their way, he will be a convict before he can legally operate a motor vehicle.

Jared was thrust into the national limelight when, standing in the Logan Middle School cafeteria line, he refused a teacher’s order to turn his NRA T-shirt inside out to hide its image of a hunting rifle. In the principal’s office, he explained that the shirt was not in violation of school policy and that the teacher’s order was a violation of his rights. After consulting the school’s policy manual and putting in a call to the school attorney, the teacher conceded. That should have been the end of the kerfuffle.

But about that time, the local police chief arrived, accompanied by two officers. A little while later, Jared was accompanied out of the office in handcuffs. In the interim, says Ben White, Jared’s attorney, police had demanded that Jared sit down and be quiet. Jared did the former but not the latter, insisting on telling his side of the story. As his frustration rose, so did the officers’: One of them threatened Jared with a terrorism charge. When the officer insisted that he had a right to arrest Jared, the eighth-grader said he understood and respected this right — and held up his wrists. Officer James Adkins nonetheless cuffed him for “obstructing an officer.”

Read more here. Can you believe that? Way to go, Jared, for taking a stand!

UPDATE: Charges were dropped!

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  • melinda

    Actually, the charges were dismissed on June 28.

    • VL123

      GTFO here troll.

      • melinda

        Nice language VL! So much for free speech, eh?

  • section9

    There should have been no charges in the first place.

  • bellagrazi

    Score a victory for common sense! Better late than never. Congrats, Jared Marcum! Very courageous young man.

    • Melinda

      Would you be saying the same thing had the shirt read ” support marriage equality”?

      • melory3

        Oh shut up mindless puppet. Go ask Alec Baldwin what he thinks about homosexuals.

        • melinda

          What does Alec Baldwin have to do with this melory? Nothing. Awesome rebuttal…..

          • melory3

            Why are you even commenting on issues when you are so clueless? Have you not heard about his very recent anti-gay tirade? He is a liberal, so I will not be surprised if the media did not tell you about his anti-gay tweets.
            You have examples galore of racist and gay-hating liberals – go lecture them.

          • melinda

            Again melory, what does Alec Baldwin have to do with my question to Kristy/bellagrazi? And I could ask you the same :Would you be saying the same thing (Score avictory for common sense! Better late than never. Congrats! Very courageous) had the shirt read ” support marriage equality”? Please feel free to answer the question directly melory.

          • melory3

            Baldwin is a liberal – you have evidence that he is a homophobe – go ask him your stupid gotcha questions.

            We don’t owe any answers to self-rigtheous morally bankrupt pro-infanticide liberals.

          • melinda

            Your refusal to answer the question speaks volumes. Al that remains to be asked is why are you so afraid to say “NO, I would not be saying the same thing if the tshirt read “I support marriage equality”???? Never mind, I think we all know why.

      • Michelle

        My guess is no… Simple enough dress code in schools. Simple enough request of this kid. Yet he fought and made a scene that got him arrested. Way to keep teaching this generation to have absolutely no respect for authority…

  • Patriot

    Ah another trumped up story meant to do nothing but rile up the few ignorant fans the Palin’s have left.

  • Melinda

    “Update”???? As in Update…. I bothered to read to the end of my original link and see the charges had already been dropped?

  • otlset

    Here is a far worse, more damaging to society shirt people should be up in arms about…

    • Melinda

      How is that damaging otlset? Would a tshirt with the image of the man who killed this young man on it be damaging to society as well?

      • otlset

        Yes it likely would, although if ANY white person (or even a ‘white’ hispanic, heh) wore a Zimmerman shirt it would be roundly denounced as ‘racist’ far and wide, and also likely to incite violence to the wearer if worn in public. Which is exactly why the Trayvon shirt is damaging, likely to cause at least bitter feelings and division if not violence as it is worn by a high-profile actor obviously with his mind made up that Zimmerman is guilty. The shirt is divisive in the worst way in this day and age — racially.

        • melinda

          So you are suggesting that the only reason Denzel is outraged about this young man’s murder is because he is black? I think your suggestion is equally damaging otlset.

          Regardless, there is no denying Zimmerman is guilty of killing this unarmed young man. There is no “making up your mind” about that. It’s a fact. And it’s interesting that you would post it within this discussion about gun ownership in this country. If Zimmerman had not been carrying a gun, no one would have been shot that night.

          • otlset

            ‘Denzel’ lol.

            Yes, I think if the circumstances were *exactly* the same but the thug that got killed was white, Jamie Foxx would not be wearing an inflammatory t-shirt with the white dude’s picture on it. You can depend on it. In fact, nobody would even know about the incident, much less have shirts made up for sale with pictures showing the victim on them.

            And the discussion at issue here is how the uptight liberal school nannies deprived the kid’s right to free expression by demanding he wear the shirt inside out.

          • melinda

            On my iphone the actor looks like Denzel Washington otlset. And no, not just because he is African American. I LOL indeed.

            Really??? If the victim had been a young white man gunned down by a neighborhood vigilante and the killer seemed like he might get away with it that you don’t think anyone would know about it? I disagree.

            And the issue is “uptight liberals” depriving a kid’s right to free expression? Would that be just like uptight conservatives similarly depriving kids who wear pro choice tshirts to school their right to free expression? (Yes, that has happened).

            And the discussion around this post can be whatever we want. And yes, it is worth noting that if Zimmerman had not been carrying a gun around the neighborhood, this young man would not have been shot.

          • otlset

            The discussion thread as initially posted was about the kid’s wearing of the shirt, but things drift to be sure as the discussion gets going. Personally I’d rather somehow steer threads into a discussion of the merits of 50s and 60s jazz vinyl records and analog music reproduction, but haven’t yet found an opening to do that!

            And snuffing out free expression either of liberal or conservative positions goes against the notion we have that we’re actually “free” to express ourselves. Jamie Foxx is free to do it. So should be the student/subject of this thread.

          • melinda

            Not surprising otlset that you don’t want it pointed out that you started a thread with a reference to a young man who was gunned down. And that this threat is on a blog post in support of gun rights (and no one is fooled here that this post is not about gun rights as much as it is about free speech).

            But I am glad to hear that you think it would be just as wrong for a student to be denied their right to wear a tshirt in support of pro choice as it would be to be denied their right to wear a tshirt in support of gun rights.

          • otlset

            Don’t want it pointed out? Why, I’m *thrilled* you made reference to my adding to the original shirt-wearing topic here with an example of another controversy involving the wearing of a shirt!

          • melinda

            Well obviously you are thrilled with your own reference to another shirt wearing controversy.

            What you are obviously not thrilled about is it being pointed out how the two tshirts are related ( one is of a young man gunned down by a gun toting citizen and the other is in support of the right to carry guns).

          • otlset

            Obviously not thrilled? Why, I’m *delighted* you picked up on the relatedness of the shirt topics! But actually my point was about the arbitrary attempts at repression in the student’s case, and the pass given (so far) to Foxx’s case, both cases as you point out related to firearm possession.

          • melinda

            Sure you’re delighted otlset! That’s exactly why you tried to say the “relatedness” that I pointed out wasn’t the “discussion at issue”. Too too funny!! Love it!

          • otlset

            But the fact that both shirts make political statements in which firearms are involved (directly or indirectly) that you seized upon wasn’t the “discussion at issue”. My intent was to add another example of political shirt-wearing besides the main thread subject of current interest to broaden the discussion, but this one with no attempted message-quashing measures against its wearer, despite being in my opinion potentially much more harmful to the populace in general (divisive and provocative). The “discussion at issue” was the stifling of free expression by the kid wearing a shirt to school that the liberal control-freak teachers there disagreed with.

          • melinda

            Again otlset, you are trying to dictate what the discussion is and not have someone validly point out the other connection between the two tshirts. Too funny you are!

          • otlset

            Well of course there’s a firearm connection between the two shirt messages, nobody is denying that. But that has nothing to do with the intent of the thread topic, which was, again, the attempt to stifle the student’s right of free expression by the overzealous educators at his school.

            I think you need to re-take “Twisting the Argument 101″ at the Media Matters Institute for Higher Propaganda. Soros expects better of you here I’m sure.

          • melory3

            ” depriving kids who wear pro choice tshirts to school their right to free expression? (Yes, that has happened).”

            Link please, you liberals are good at making up stuff.

          • melinda

            http://www.cbc.ca/strombo/george-feed/politics-1/pro-choice-t-shirt-leads-to-catholic-school-student-suspensions.html

            You really make this too easy melory! And yes, I realize this is a canadian example. but Canada has the same freedom of speech and , as you know doubt have heard about, is even more progressive (horrors!!!!!) than the US.

            Are you up in arms about this travesty of freedom of speech!!!! Zut alors!

          • melory3

            I knew you were lying. The discussion is about what is happening in America – you have no evidence of American conservatives punishing a kid for wearing a pro-choice t-shirt! Nice try! We conservatives, on the other hand, don’t have to look to Canada for examples of liberals trampling free speech…

          • melinda
          • melory3

            Still no evidence of conservatives punishing a kid for wearing a pro-choice t-shirt – that was your initial claim. You just made that up.

          • melinda

            No I didn’t just make it up. I used it as an example of conservatives similarly squashing freedom of speech. It shouldn’t matter that it was in Canada which has similar laws and (horrors!) is even more progressive and I have given examples here of this happening in the US. To which you have no rebuttal……. As I said, you make this too easy, baby!

          • melory3

            You said all that to say that you have no evidence to back up your initial claim. It is fine!! You won’t be the first liberal to make up stuff!
            Happy Independence Day, and so proud of the Egyptians today!
            Till next time.

          • melinda

            My initial claim was that conservatives try to restrict freedom of speech as well. And this was backed up. When you asked for specific examples in the US I did that too.

            Bazinga! Of course you have nothing left to say. Happy 4th to you too melory.l

          • melory3

            Still lying, melinda. Go read your post – you even added a “yes that has happened” to make your lie sound true. You are right about one thing, I have nothing left to say to a liar like you.

          • melinda

            Nope, sorry Melory I’m not lying. It is you who should read my comment again. Here, I’ve copied it for you…..

            “And the issue is “uptight liberals” depriving a kid’s right to free expression? Would that be just like uptight conservatives similarly depriving kids who wear pro choice tshirts to school their right to free expression? (Yes, that has happened)”.

            My comment was in reference to otlset comment about supposed “uptight liberals”. I don’t see much of a difference between uptight conservatives in the US vs Canada ( well, except that there are way more in the US!) so I didn’t care about where the eample was from. Since you apparetly did care, I gave you more from the US. No lying. You’ll have to try another tactiv melory or just give it up.

          • melory3

            You are a better liar than I thought! You cover up your initial lie with another lie – now you believe your own lie!
            You initial response, running to Canada for an example, proved that you knew you were caught in a lie!

          • melinda

            Oh melory, now you are acting silly. I have not lied and have had no lie to cover up. Read my comment again and try to comprehend. I had no need to run to Canada for an example of “uptight conservatives”. As you can see I gave you examples from the US when that’s what you asked for.

          • melory3

            You had need to “run” to Canada to back up your claim that kids were not allowed to wear pro-choice t-shirts.

            I get your greater point, but to support your point, you made up a “fact”.

            ” Would that be just like uptight conservatives similarly depriving kids who wear pro choice tshirts to school their right to free expression? (Yes, that has happened)”. When I asked for evidendence that that has happened you posted not a general example of free speech chilling, but a specific example of a kid not allowed to wear a pro-choice t-shirt – So you knew that I knew that you made up a fact and you scrambled to provide evidence – Canada helped you out… That is all. But your cover-up is good, I must admit.

          • melinda

            melory, I didn’t have to “run to Canada to back up my claim that kids were not allowed to wear pro-choice t-shirts”. The incidence already was from Canada! I knew that when I originally posted it as an example of “uptight conservatives” getting in the way of free speech. I didn’t make up any thing.

          • donalddump

            You like that word “thug,” don’t you? Thinly, veiled, thinly veiled.

          • otlset

            I don’t like thugs, of any color.

          • melory3

            “‘Denzel’ lol”
            To these race-baiting white liberals we all look the same!

            They are so desperate to stirr up racial tensions, they even declared Zimmerman white – they are not going to let anything get in the way of their narrative.

          • otlset

            CNN has already convicted the guy. That network is absolutely shameful.

          • melinda

            Zimmerman isn’t white? And if he’s not, what does it matter anyway? He still shot an unarmed yound man.

          • melory3

            The media did a good job on you, poor thing.

          • melinda

            How so melory? Are you suggesting Zimmerman did not shoot Martin? Are you suggesting that the media made this up? Are you suggesting that the media made up that Zimmerman is white?

          • melory3

            I am not suggesting – I am stating that they “made up that Zimmerman is white” ROFLOL! You only now find out that he is not white? The media loves people like you!

            No-one denies that Zimmerman shot Martin – the media and Oblamer made it a race issue – that is the problem. Here you are little mind-numbed robot – shocked to find out that Zimmerman is not a white man! What else do you believe that just is not so!

            “It’s not that our liberal friends are ignorant, it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.” Ronald Reagan.

          • melinda

            melory, what race IS Zimmerman. I don’t know. I’ve seen pictures and he looks white to me. My guess is he is a Hispanis white, just as I am a “non-hispanic white”. What does it matter anyway? He still shot the unarmed young man.

          • melory3

            So now we have Hispanic whites? I guess Obama is an African American white ( his mom was white…) Race-baiting liberals are just not giving up! Zimmerman is an American, period.

            “What does it matter, anyway?” Go ask Obama and the media, they are the ones who made this a race issue.

          • melinda

            No I’m asking you. Because you seem to think it matters enough to not want to say what race Zimmerman is and to claim people are lying about his race. So what race is he Melory? And why does that matter? The bottom line is,he shot and killed an unarmed man and that is what he is on trial for.

          • melory3

            The media was and some are still lying about his race. Your homework is to find out what race he is, since race matters so much to liberals.

            “And why does that matter?” I was hoping a liberal like you could tell me. Why did Obama and media made it a race issue?

          • melinda

            Still can’t answer my question Melory? Sorry, but you are the one right here claiming Zimmerman is not white and that it matters. Show me he is not and that it doesn’t matter to you.

          • melory3

            I give up – hopefully a better troll can take over and you can take a well deserved break.

          • melinda

            Of course you give up. Because you don’t want to answer the question. It’s pretty simple.

          • melory3

            So you think you asked a really profound question? LOL!

            olset answered your question when you first asked it in a different manner, and I liked his post immediately.

            But I’ll spell it out for you – I don’t care whatever in the name of Sam Hill you write on your t-shirt! I am not a busy-body free speech chilling liberal.

            We know how pro-abortion liberals will react to a kid wearing a t-shirt with “Abortion is murder” written on it, so I won’t ask you the question, don’t want you to lie anymore.

          • melinda

            Well apparently it IS a pretty profound questions for you melory, because you still haven’t answered it. What race IS Zimmerman if you think he’s not white? And why does it matter to you?

          • melory3

            You are making a fool of yourself, stop talking!

          • melinda

            No melory, I (and you) are making a fool of yourself. Still can’t answer the simple question????

          • melory3

            You are too lazy too exist. I gave you the opportunity to find the truth for yourself:

            So let me answer your stupid question, madam clueless:

            He identifies as Hispanic on official documents, i.e. voter registration. Also his mom and dad say he is hispanic, they should know!

            “His father called him a “Spanish speaking minority” with many black relatives and friends.

            While public outrage simmered over perceptions that local police didn’t do enough to investigate Martin’s death, possible racial motives on Zimmerman’s part became tough to pin down. His background and associations cut across racial lines, and his racial identity didn’t fit neatly into a box.

            He identified himself as Hispanic, as did his mother. His father, Robert, listed himself as white on voter registration forms. Zimmerman’s mother, Gladys, is originally from Peru.”

            Now tell me, who are you ignorant liberal to decide he is white hispanic? Why do you think he is white?

            For the last time, his race doesn’t matter to me, it mattered to your racist president, your fellow liberals and the media.

          • melinda

            melory, I’ll say it again and perhaps you’ll hear it this time: Hispanic is not a race.

            You really need to be careful whom you call lazy and clueless.

          • melinda

            Oh and melory, your unreferenced quote appears to come from a Huff Po article which also staes this:

            “Hispanic people can be black, white, Asian or mixed. Some 18 million Latinos checked the “some other race” category on their 2010 Census forms – which admonished in bold letters that Hispanic is not a race. ”

            Did you miss this intentionally or were you ummmm…. lazy?

            Again, melory, it is not I who is “deciding” Hispanic is a race. It is social scientists and the federal government.

            Oh, and by the way, he is our President. When you say “your” you just sound like a sore loser. And I don’t think you want to.

          • melinda

            Sorry, typo obvi. That second last line should read: “Again, melory, it is not I who is “deciding” Hispanic is not a race. It is social scientists and the federal government.”

          • otlset

            And here is shameful evidence that the racist AG Eric Holder, likely with that inept liar Obama’s knowledge and approval, used government influence and resources to FAN THE FLAMES OF RACIAL UNREST in the Zimmerman trial! Disgusting gang of thugs in power now that YOU likely helped bring to power! Shame on all of them! Shame on the willful fools who voted for the most inept and damaging to America administration ever! The absolute worst.

            http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/10/doj-provided-security-for-anti-zimmerman-protests/

          • melinda

            Sorry otlset, but I, and the majority of Americans disagree and we are in favor of the progress this President has made with regards to marriage equality, gay rights, health care affordability, etc, etc, etc.

          • otlset

            Your ‘majority’ is obviously willfully ignorant, biased, and intelligence-deprived then to actually believe this empty-suit phony of a president has been anything other than a disaster for our country, from an economic standpoint to foreign policy to race relations to just plain lying bald-faced to the American people. You liberals may think it’s cool to be lied to, but decent Americans find it insulting and repulsive.

          • melory3

            I deliberately used Huffpuff – a liberal source – so you won’t complain.

            I forgot to post link, sorry for that. That was not on purpose. I posted the qoutes relative to my answer to your question as to how I know he is not white hispanic, there was no need for me to qoute the whole article.

            Again, the point here is you said he is white or white hispanic – and you need to explain why you said so.

          • melinda

            I commend you for using Huff Po as a reliable source melory.

            But while you obviously didn’t have to quote the whole article, you did NOT quote the most important part “relative to (your) answer to (my) question. That is, yet again:

            “Hispanic people can be black, white, Asian or mixed. Some 18 million Latinos checked the “some other race” category on their 2010 Census forms – which admonished in bold letters that Hispanic is not a race. ”

            Now, why do you keep saying he isn’t white? You keep saying he is Hispanic and that is not a race.

          • melory3

            Why do you keep saying he is white? You have no evidence to support your claim. Surely he and his mom are the experts on their racial make-up and they never identified as white anything. So who shall we believe? Them or the Obamadroid who only read the tabloids and Palin gossip?

          • melinda

            melory, you have presented nothing that stating Zimmerman’s and his mom are not white. All you have shown is that he and his mother identify as Hispanic and that his mother is from Peru. That does not mean they are not white.I’ll say it again for you : Hispanic is not a race. “They never identified as white anything”? How do you know that?

          • melory3

            I didn’t think anyone here thought Hispanic is a race. That is not the point here, I explained to you why Zimmerman is not white – it is now your turn to tell me why you say he is white – or white hispanic.

          • Melinda

            Oh Melory you’re too funny! Seriously? Now you are trying to claim that you aren’t saying Hispanic is a race? You keep saying Zimmerman isn’t white and people are ” lying” that he is. And you point to his identifying as a Hispanic as evidence of him not being white. Well, if you realize Hispanic is not a race, then why do you claim Zimmerman isn’t white? And if he isn’t white, what race are you claiming he is?

            Oh this oughta be good…..

          • melory3

            All that mumbo-jumbo to avoid answering my question – why do you say Zimmerman is white or white hispanic. I told you why I said he is not. It is your turn now! I gave you enough time to study up.

          • melinda

            melory, I am saying he is white because he looks white and I have heard nothing that contradicts that he is white. All you are saying is he is Hispanic. Hispanic is not a race. Being Hispanic does not mean that you cannot be white.

            What part of this do you not understand?

          • melory3

            He doesn’t look white to me. He is of mixed race. Like your president.

            I understand, he has to be white to fit the narrative of the liberal race-baiters – they are just not giving up. Holder and Obama want racial tension and riots and their mind-numbed robots fall all over themselves to do their little part.

            “Being Hispanic does not mean that you cannot be white”. Being Hispanic also does not mean you can only be white.

            “I have heard nothing that contradicts that he is white.” You have read the Huffpo article that says he is of mixed race.

          • melinda

            Melory, where does in the article does it say Zimmerman is “mixed race”? It says he is Hispanic but that is not a race. It sayd Hispanics can be races other than white, but it doesn’t say Zimmerman is not white. It says his father is white, but does not mention his mother’s race ( I take it you know that Peruvian is not a race).

            And yes, our President is mixed race. His father was African American and his mother was white. Very good.

          • melory3

            You are dishonest. You are just not a curious person. Race is front and centre of this debate that you insist on taking a part in, yet you have not done your homework about it?

            If you were not so lazy and actually read up just a very tiny little bit you would have known long ago that he is multi-race hispanic. The article says that, also.

            But you just want to run your mouth, without doing the research. The only thing you know is the lies about the Palin family. You prove right what they say about arguing with a liberal, it is really like playing chess with a pigeon…

          • melinda

            Melory, again….. Hispanic is not a race.

          • melory3

            African-American is not a race. For practical purposes it is listed as a race in the US (the race is black), for the same reason soon hispanic may also be listed as a race. You are incapable of thinking beyond what your government wants you to think. If the gov says it is a race, little mind-numbed robot says it is a race, and acts as if she came to that conclusion through some deep thought. Hilarious, actually.

            Your response that Zimmerman looks white is weak. Mariah Careyh looks white, but she list her race as African America.

            What do you say to all those hispanics who when ask for race, identify as hispanic. Are you going to tell them that hispanic is not a race and insist they indicate black or white, based on what they look like to you?

          • melinda

            Oh melory, Let me explain this to you. In the US, African American is used to describe someone e with origins in the black racial groups of Africa. African American IS a race in this country. Mariah Carey, like many African Americans is a mixture of races and has chosen one to identify herself.

            Hispanic or Latino, on the other hand, is used to describe a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin, REGARDLESS OF RACE.

            Hispanic is not a race. And this is not about what I say they look like. This is about what race they are. And in the case of mixed races it is what race they consider themselves to be.

          • melory3

            Since you are the expert, please tell Zimmerman and her mom what race they really, are. You claim to know better – typical white liberal.

          • melinda

            You say the silliest things melory. Since when is the NY Times a tabloid? That is my newspaper. And the Globe and Mail for Canadian news. What’s yours?

            As for my knowing better than the Zimmerman’s what race they are… why do you say I claim that? I haevn’t heard them say they are not white. Have they? All I have heard is that they identify as Hispanic…. and that is not a race.

          • melory3

            Of course they (the Zimmermans) have said that they are not white, why would you have heard that, you only hear what your leftist masters want you to hear, clueless liar.

            Zimmerman’s great grandfather was black. Read up about Peru, get a clue.

          • Melinda

            Of course the Zimmermans have said they are not white? Really? Okay, show us where they have said that. So far you haven’t and I have asked. All you have said is they call themselves Hispanic. Hispanic is not a race.

            Read up a out Peru? Ate you suggesting Peru dies not have whites? Or that in the past few generations there have been no whites?

            Go on Melory, show us where the Zimmermans have said they are not white.

            ” Leftist masters”? Your are just being silly Melory.

          • melory3

            You are in denial. Just admit you know nothing.

          • melinda

            No, I actually know a lot melory. For starters, I know Hispanic is not a race. You?

            So where DOES it say that the Zimmermans state they are not white? And what are you suggesting about the race demographics in Peru?

          • melory3

            Hey, clueless, Obama’s father was not African American – that’s sure to cause your head to explode! You really need to be more curiuos and try to actually read something other than the tabloids.

          • melinda

            melory, sorry that was a typo. I know his father was Kenyan and never became a US citizen while living in the US. I meant that he is black. It has nothing to do with a lack of curiousity or cluelessness. And sorry, but my head isn’t going to explode. As for the tabloids, do they really claim that Obama Sr was a US citizen? If anything, I thought they tried to make the silly claim that President Obama might not be a natural born US citizen.

          • melinda

            Um yes, we actually do. FYI, Hispanic is not a race. African American however, is. I’m assuming you are white Melory (correct me please if I am wrong!). Surely you are aware that you often check a box that reads “non-hispanic white” when asked for your race. And surely you have never had the option to check a “non-african american white” box.

            Yes Zimmerman is an American. Just as Trayvon Martin WAS an American…. until Zimmerman gunned him down.

          • melory3

            ” Hispanic is not a race.” Says the person who just told me Zimmerman is an Hispanic white! ROFLOL! Whatever you say, liberals are the “experts” on race.

          • Melinda

            What part of ” Hispanic white” says Hispanic is a race itself?????? If it were, the options would be ” white” or “Hispanic” and they are not.

          • otlset

            Yes they are! The government thinks they are, and have ‘Hispanic or Latino’ categories set up throughout the hierarchy. The government loooves its people categories. It thinks it can somehow unify the country by dividing us up.

          • melinda

            No they are not otlset. Hispanic is an ethnic origin, not a race and that is how the government views them as well (though there has been some consideration of changing that on the next census, which has caused concern amongst Latinos and scientists because latino is technically not a race).

          • otlset

            Yes of course I know hispanic/latino is an ethnic group, but the government divvies them out from the rest of the populace all the same just as they do ‘white’ and ‘black’ with their own categories along with Asian, Pacific Islander and on and on into multi-culti infinity.

          • melinda

            But that’s not what you are arguing otlset. Nice try. You are trying to argue that Hispanic is a race after i said it is not. You might want to go back a few comments here to remind yourself. Too funny!

          • otlset

            No, you got it wrong again. I know ‘hispanic’ is not a race, but an ethnic determination. However I merely stated what is visible on most governmental questionnaires as to what category of citizen you are, and apparently the government lumps the ethnic “hispanic/latino” as a racial category along with “white”, “black”, “Asian”, etc. The “hispanic/latino” category is listed along with the racial categories such as “white” and “black” along with other ethnic groups like “Pacific Islander”. I know the difference, you know the difference, but the government treats them practically as if they were a race. Get it? I didn’t say they are a race, but the government treats them as a race as they are a category on government questionnaires just as true races are.

            Go back and read my post, this time for comprehension. Too funny you are!

          • melinda

            Actually no otlset, the government treats Hispanic as an ethnic determination. Note it IS considering CHANGING that but is meeting resistance.

            And fyi, when I informed melory above two days ago that Hispanica are not a race you said (and I quote) “yes they are!”

          • otlset

            Your comprehension skills are lacking. I said “yes they are” in reference to the government doing exactly what you said the options “are not”. Your quote: “If it were, the options would be “white” and Hispanic” and they are not.” (to which I replied “Yes they are!”) because on government personnel questionnaires they actually DO have those options.

          • melinda

            Really otlset? You are going to continue to try to defend your error??? Please, oh please tell us what “government personal questionaires” you claim call Hispanic a race. Because it sure isn’t the Census.

            You should be careful otlset when you accuse someone of comprehension skills!

          • melory3

            Whatever you say, my non-hispanic white friend!

          • melinda

            Awesome melory, I am glad you have learned something.

          • otlset

            You’ve convicted Zimmerman too it appears. Yep, all settled. I’ll tell dump one more for the lynch mob.

          • Melinda

            Convicted him
            Of what? Of shooting and killing Trayvon? Well
            He did. There’s no denying that. He’s said so himself.

          • otlset

            Of not shooting in self-defense.

          • Melinda

            I have not otlset. I don’t know if he shot in self defense or not. All I know is he was carrying a gun and he killed a young man with it.

          • VL123

            WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

    • donalddump

      Way to go Jamie! That thug, wannabe cop, Zimmerman’s porky arse needs to see the inside of a jail cell for a few years. Did you donate some bucks to the murderer otlset? Probably paid for a few dozen donuts for the porker and that disgusting fat wife of his. Zimmy’s bank account is overflowing with donations from people who are thrilled that there is one less black kid in the world. All big sean wannity and michelle malkin fans.

      • otlset

        More name-calling from the aptly-named dump here who just cavalierly dismisses due process and has already decided Zimmerman is guilty. Where’s the rest of your lynch mob dump?

        • donalddump

          Do you keep Treyvon Martin death photos by your bedside, so you have sweet dreams, ot?

          • otlset

            Weak. The quality of trolls these days is really sinking. Can’t even spell ‘Trayvon’.

        • donalddump

          By the way, did you watch Bristol’s Wife Swap, otty? I bet you watched it more than once. Lol

          • otlset

            I’ve never seen the show actually dumpy.

          • donalddump

            I’m surprised. You being head cheerleader of all things palin.

          • melinda

            Sure you didn’t otlset! Just like you didn’t read the book Bristol had written. :)

          • otlset

            It’s true though.

          • melinda

            Well no wonder then that you don’t think Bristol has done her son a disservice through what she has had written and has said about his father

          • otlset

            If she told the truth, then it can’t be a disservice.

          • melinda

            “If” is the operative word, isn’t it otlset?

            But even IF she did, she would still be doing her son a disservice. Read the book and watch the reality show before you claim that’s not so…..

          • otlset

            I’m only suspecting it’s not so based upon the faulty, biased with the typical anti-Palin animus, and misleading content of the majority of your posts I’ve read so far.

          • Melinda

            Gotcha otlset. Simpler version if what you wrote: ” Facts. I don’t need no stinkin’ facts”

            Go ahead read the book. Heck, read the first chapter. Then get back to us. I dare you.

          • otlset

            I said “suspecting” melinda. You sound like a real treat to be around.

          • Melinda

            Gotcha. Facts, you don’t need no stinking facts……

          • otlset

            I notice you haven’t any either, just your own opinions that Bristol is doing a great disservice to her son by what she wrote. Mere speculation, because he’s still a young boy.

          • Melinda

            Otlset there are no facts yet about something that hasn’t happened yet. But there are facts about something that has….. Like a book that has been written. Go ahead, read the book. Get those facts. Dare ya.

          • otlset

            But divining whether it actually will be a disservice to him or not as his life plays out in the years to come is just hubris on your part. You don’t know, you can only speculate what the ‘facts’ as you now perceive them will contribute to in the future.

          • melinda

            Sure, of course it’s specualtion. But at least it’s based on fact. How about you read those facts yourself and then come back and them tell us if our concern for her son’s future is valid.

          • melory3

            Go take your contraceptives (that Bristol paid for, btw), you know Obama and Pelosi don’t want your kind to procreate.

          • melinda

            Bristol paid for my contraceptives? How do you figure that melory? Mine is now free under our private health insurance and it gets paid for through insurance premiums….. and no one(not the insurance companies, nor the subscribers!) complains because contraceptives are cheap compared to the alternatives. And actually, Obama and Pelosi do want “my kind” especially to procreate. You didn’t really think that one out very well, did you?

          • melory3

            “And actually, Obama and Pelosi do want “my kind” especially to procreate.” That right there is their predicament!

          • Melinda

            Not a predicament at all Melory. I have two sons …. And safe bet they will vote Dem. They find the GOP often behind the times and too closely tied to the religious right.

          • melory3

            “And safe bet they will vote Dem..” Oh man, do they ( your leftist masters) have a predicament!

          • melinda

            Oh yes melory, such a predicament… with weakend GOP losing the growing sectors of our population and the youth. Quite a predicament for the Dems! Too funny!

          • melory3

            Clueless, you are just spewing out liberal talking points. You still have no clue what I meant, ha!

          • donalddump

            You are one sick old biatch. Too bad your father didn’t wrap it up the night your hateful arse was conceived.

          • melory3

            Typical unhinged liberal. Raised in the gutter.

          • donalddump

            Contraceptives and Bristol, lol. Contraceptives and any palin, lol. BTW, did the money for these contraceptives come from whoring out her kid on reality t.v.?

          • melinda

            Well, I think an even funnier thing is abstinence and the family history, because that’s what the preach but it sure hasn’t worked for them. And yes, any money ( and taxes she paid on it) Bristol has made has come from capitalizing on her story and her son’s. Funny thing though, I bet the taxes paid are less than the tax rebates given under the film rebates Sarah set up from Alaska before she quit as governor. And the taxes paid are far less than the money the Palin clan has made from taxpayers donating to Sarah PAC.

          • donalddump

            That’s right, Sarah got a government handout for that trainwreck of a reality show. The tea party queen, doesn’t practice what she preaches does she. sick, sick family sucking off the government teat. They are also like those sick, evil twisted televangelists that steal money from vulnerable old people. Oh well, sarah sits by her new pool, bought and paid for by the government and suckers like melory3. BTW, does she ever spend any time with her son, that she once had a thought of aborting?

          • melinda

            It IS crazy how she accuses people of being “adiccted to OPM (Other People’s Money)” when she is the one who actually is doing so through Sarah PAC! Similarly she rails against public healthcare when that is what she, her children and grandchildrne enjoy, thanks to Todd’s native status. And yes, people like melory don’t even think of all this and shout “You go Sarah!” Funny.

          • melory3

            You can take the liberal out of the gutter, but you can’t take the gutter out of the liberal. No she did not whore her child out, but hey, gutter language is all you know. No-one expects better from you.
            Since when do wards of the state care how the money was made – alll you wards of the state want is for the government to rob fellow citizens to give to you.

          • donalddump

            You and melory3 would make a great couple. 2 ugly, hateful, bittler old contards. A match made in contard heaven.

          • otlset

            “Now boy, I say boy, I may be bittler, but I’m a handsome old rooster! Now pay attention son, you might learn something.”
            – Foghorn Leghorn

          • melory3

            Still talking to the man in the mirror dumpy?

          • melory3

            dumpy’s talking to the man in the mirror!

          • melory3

            You are doing your children a disservice by spending all this time on the internet hating on little Tripp’s mom. Precious time that you could have spent with your children. Get help for your obsessive behavior.

          • donalddump

            Too funny, coming from the old hag who spends all her time defending the palin brand.

          • melinda

            Sorry melory, but that’s just funny coming from someone who is taking the time to comment. “Hating on little Tripp’s mom” . Love that. Speaks to how Bristol, like her mom, likes to use her kid(s) as a human shield.

          • melory3

            Get off your high-horse – you are here non-stop using little Tripp to attack his mom.

          • Melinda

            Using Tripp to attack his mom????? Wherever do you get that Melory? It’s not Tripps fault that his mom uses him as her little moneymaker.

          • melory3

            Saying Bristol is doing a disservice to him, his mom use him to make money, etc. You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

            You are the one doing a disservice to your children with your unreasonable hate of the Palins. Who takes care of your children while you spend all your time and energy on the internet hating on Tripps mom and family? You are setting a bad example to your children by showing them that when you do not agree with someone politically or otherwise, you go on the internet to lie about them and trash them.

          • melinda

            Again, funny coming from you who keeps reading and replying to my comments melory. You are too funny! And fyi, my children no longer need watching, and I have way more time and energy in the day than what I put into these comments. It sounds like perhaps you don’t?

            And have told no lies about anyone. You may nt like what I have to say, but it’s the truth. Sorry to burst your bubble.

          • melory3

            If it was up to baby-killing liberals like yourself, Bristol’s son would have been murdered in the womb, you have no credibility to speak on any issue regarding children.

          • melinda

            Actually melory, I am pro choice, which means that it is not my decision, nor the government’s, nor the doctor’s decision. It is (was) Bristol’s. It is “up to” her and her alone.

          • melory3

            Give it up, Michelle Obama let the cat out of the bag when she so angrily stated what we knew all along about the “pro-choice” crowd – “you have one choice!”

          • melinda

            Oh really melory? Please oh please tell us what you are referring to here re our First Lady.(This should be good!). Pro choice respects a woman’s right to choose between birth (and keeping her baby or putting up for adoption) and abortion.

          • melory3

            It is good, but you won’t get it!
            You are too clueless to be commenting on issues. Still waiting for a troll that actually know something, anything, to show up!

          • melinda

            Sure, sure it is melory! Let me guess, something from Life site News? The Heritage Foundation? You’re funny

          • donalddump

            The majority of girls getting abortions are from Christian, conservative households. These families don’t teach their kids, (boys or girls) sex ed, leaving these kids not knowing anything. Just like the majority of teen pregnancies resulting in birth are in conservative states. So funny that people like melory 3 think only liberals get abortions. Unlike people like sarah, Bristol, track and grandma heath (conservative people, all pregnant before marriage), I waited until long after marriage before starting my family. Unlike sarah palin, my wife didn’t ever have a single thought of having an abortion when we found out our son would have a disability. So stuff it melory3, with your liberal crap.

          • melory3

            Still making up stuff, racist, bigot.

          • donalddump

            Not made up, all fact. Reading is your friend. Racist, bigot? Care to explain. If not, stfu you palin arse licker.

          • melory3

            You don’t know how to behave in decent company, guttersnipe?

          • donalddump

            You, decent? Angry, bitter old woman, no doubt. Husband probably left you for a liberal woman, who isn’t a hateful harpy.

          • melinda

            Donald, no need to sink to melory’s level. Take the high road….

          • donalddump

            Sorry Melinda, but would it make a difference? Can’t stand people who broadbrush, deny truth and are total hypocrites.

          • melinda

            Neither can I. But if you are going to bother to comment, why not comment with the facts and leave the personal attacks to those who have no real response to offer.

          • melory3

            Siding with the gutter dweller, you are known by your friends….

          • melory3

            As if a gutter dweller like yourself would know who is decent and who is not.

            You have a thing about angry, bitter old women -understandable- you were (still are) surrounded by feminazis all your life! That is all you know and all you can relate to.

            Sorry, to dissappoint you, but I am happily married to a quite handsome man of character.

            You on the other hand are a filthy creep from the gutter hanging around on the website of a young woman, stalking her and her family and spewing filth. Proudly showing the world who liberals really are.

      • melory3

        “who are thrilled that there is one less black kid in the world..”
        Projecting much?

        The unmitaged gall of these fans of Bill Clinton and Harry Reid! In 2008 BClinton referred to Obama as (paraphrase) the “boy” who not so long ago would have brought them (white liberals) coffee. Yet liberals worship this racist. Birds of a feather flock together, therefore no outrage from liberals!

        Not to be out-done, Harry Reid was dreaming out loud on how they could use Obama, because “he is a light-skinned negro who only speak with a negro accent if he wants to..” Another racist liberal leader embraced by race-baiting liberals – Again no outrage – hypocrites!
        Yet they crucify a woman who admitted and apologized for something she said 30 years ago!

  • David

    I hope the USA has Millions more like Jared Marcum who will Stand Up for their Rights … because this Left-Wing-Nut Gun Control/Police State Crap has got to be Stopped.

    • melinda

      Right on David! Because more gun control sure hasn’t helped other countries! Just look at their high rates of gun violence and their lack of freedom compared to ours. Oh wait…..no, that’s not right…. what… wait…… oh, never mind.

      • melory3

        And all the mind-numbed robots say YES!
        Do you even know what freedom is?

        • melnda

          Indeed I do melory. and do do the people who run the global polls. Problem is, some Americans don’t realize just how NOT free they are in teis country compared other countries.

      • otlset

        Great Britain has very restrictive gun control laws for example, yet the violent crime rate has risen dramatically since the gun control laws have been in force. Gun control laws mostly just disarm the law-abiding populace, rendering them without that most effective means of self-defense. And violent crime has risen accordingly during that time.

        • Melinda

          Otlset, careful when reading such reports. Are you aware of how Great Britain defines ” violent crimes”? Here you go. You might want to read this : http://rayrayallday.com/2013/01/11/the-difference-between-us-uk-violent-crime-rates-depends-on-definition-of-violent-crime/

          • otlset

            I still feel sorry for the victims of violent crimes there who may have been able to defend themselves from it were they able to own firearms for that purpose, no matter what the definition of violent crimes is.

          • melinda

            Well, hopefully you now understand the data better, realizing that in Great Britain “violent crime” is a broad term and not necesssary involving firearms.

            I feel sorry for victims as well otlset. And in this country we have far more than our fair share of victims of gun violence.

            And fyi otlset, guns are used to kill far more than they are used in self-defense in this country and owning a gun puts one at greater risk for gun violence and accidental gun death. So much for gun ownership resulting in fewer victims.

          • otlset

            When outlaws have guns, of course they are going to kill people, and that’s where the criminal gun violence comes from. And outlaws get guns easily through illegal channels. But you would prevent law-abiding people from providing for their own defense with the most efficient form of self-defense guaranteed by the Constitution — firearms. Yep, you’re a liberal control-freak, with no evidence that taking away people’s guns will lower the crime rate, unless we can point to areas already with strict gun control regulations like Washington DC or Chicago, and we see how well those restrictions have worked to reduce gun violence. Not.

          • melinda

            otlset, I lived most my life inCcanada. I see the difference and have lived the difference.

            Guns kill even when they are not in the hands of outlaws. Are you aware of all the accidental deaths each year in this country.

            Guns in a home increases your risk of being shot accidently or on purpose ( by you or someone else).

            Think about it.

          • otlset

            Canada, figures.

            My Constitution guarantees my right to own a firearm, and goes so far as to state clearly that right shall NOT BE INFRINGED upon. What about the word ‘infringe’ do you not understand? Of course there’s a risk to own a gun, just as there is a gas furnace if not properly used, but it’s MY RIGHT! Got it liberal control-freak fascist?

          • TrueBlue

            Ah, otlset, you were doing so well maintaining control until now! What’s with the name calling? Not that I was on your side (Melinda’s impressive!), but I’m not so “Melory’d out” that I can’t recognize an articulate point when made even by a Conservative!

          • otlset

            Yup, lost control. My apologies for getting riled.

          • melinda

            Thanks True Blue

  • melory3
    • donalddump

      Get a life, you cranky old contard witch. One of the crybaby palins need a diaper change, get to work.

      • melory3

        Oh come up with something better, guttersnipe!

  • melory3

    More from our favorite DemocRats… Make no mistake, those are not gaffes! Enjoy!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mijjdYtHz-o&feature=player_detailpage

  • melory3

    Arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a pigeon..
    http://mikesright.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/971887_10151603455459732_953064477_n.jpg

    • Michelle

      Ah because conservatives are so easy to have a discussion with…


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