Woman Films Own Abortion: Murder Gives Her the Audience She Always Wanted

A 25 year old abortion counselor in New Jersey filmed herself undergoing an abortion at the facility where she works.  The video isn’t graphic, Cosmopolitan assures us, because it focuses on her face while she breaths and hums.  This is how she described the moment:

I knew the cameras were in the room during the procedure, but I forgot about them almost immediately. I was focused on staying positive and feeling the love from everyone in the room. I am so lucky that I knew everyone involved, and I was so supported. I remember breathing and humming through it like I was giving birth. I know that sounds weird, but to me, this was as birth-like as it could be. It will always be a special memory for me. I still have my sonogram, and if my apartment were to catch fire, it would be the first thing I’d grab.

Her most prized possession is the sonogram picture of the baby she just murdered?

I want to puke. This is barbaric.

It should be pointed out that this woman is someone who had tried to be an actress.  It looks like killing her baby gave her the platform she’d always wanted.  Second, the reason it isn’t graphic is because it doesn’t focus on the baby.  At the other end of her body, the part that’s not humming happily and saying, “I am strong,” something quite different is happening.

It’s called death.

At the end of the video, she explains why she doesn’t feel guilty.  “I just feel in awe that I can make a life.”

What she didn’t go on to say was the obvious – that she just filmed herself taking a life. Being strong is keeping the life of an innocent baby, and delivering it despite the less than ideal circumstances.

“Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!” Isaiah 5:20

[I won't link to her video or her article -- no need to further her acting career.]

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  • Warmbreeze68

    Her heart is hardened :( this is so sad. I pray Jesus gets to her and she comes to repentance and Jesus forgives her because because He will and right now she has no idea what she is doing.

  • http://www.myhearthiswords.com Satin P

    ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING! Thank you so much for sharing your take on this & leaving out the link to her sick video clip. Proud of you, Bristol for the stand you are taking, and the voice you are using for GOD! Especially love your use of Isaiah 5:20 in this post!! ♥

  • Jeff

    “What she didn’t go on to say was the obvious – that she just filmed herself taking a life. Being strong is keeping the life of an innocent baby, and delivering it despite the less than ideal circumstances.”

    Wish there were more people like you, and less like that lady. What an awful thing for her to do.

    • JMitch

      Jeff, I wish there were more men like you.

  • Carol Hutson

    She is an abortion counselor and she has never heard of Birth Control…. I don’t care how she thinks she feels right now….but if she come to grips with her self and gets real!!! she know she just took an innocent life… how do you give life to freely take it???????????

  • Penny Manser

    May God make her barren for the rest of her child bearing years so that she can NEVER have another baby to kill or to give birth to.

    • Moviesforlife

      Instead of wishing her well you pray to God that she’d never have children in the future?

      • Penny Manser

        You bet I do. There are many childless couples in the country desperate to adopt, and there are selfish people who kill their unborn baby rather than putting it up for adoption. I am totally against abortion, and God is too.

        • Moviesforlife

          And you call yourself a Christian.

          • deja-view

            And, what are you for hoping she will be able to do it again?
            Choice, my ass. The baby gets no choice.

          • Bleeding BAD-GER

            LMAO !

            Well dummy, you should apply for the “job” of “fetus” whisperer…. You obviously use similar thinking ability to a fetus, right ???

          • deja-view

            And, there you are, TROLL.
            Obviously, you have NO mind of your own to think anything except to follow others around with your nose up their butts.
            Still a lying, poser, TROLL.

          • Moviesforlife

            The baby doesn’t choose who raises it. Dumb pro-lifer.

          • deja-view

            So, you would choose death — killing the child — over the possibility a less-than-perfect parent. Nice. That would take care of just about ALL babies, and almost ALL parents. It isn’t about “choice”. It’s about “inconvenience”.

          • Bleeding BAD-GER

            Killing what child ?

            Do you mean aborting the fetus ?

            Heck son, if you HAVE to use a poor argument via emotion, then consider the parents of millions more poor kids, that YOU hate anyway.

            Now GFY, poseur.

          • Penny Manser

            Did I say I was. Oh and what does Moviesforlife mean? Can’t even give your real name, huh?

          • Moviesforlife

            Better than being called Penny.

          • Penny Manser

            Thank you. You know, it is such a shame when people are not entitled to have their opinion if it does not mesh with anothers. INTOLERANCE is so sad. I am done with this discussion.

  • Joseph EL Foster

    Bristol you are on your way of becoming another Sarah, and i thought you had a chance of being normal. I am so sorry for you.

    • JMitch

      Normal? Being disgusted with someone who doesn’t feel guilty for killing her own flesh and blood isn’t normal?

    • workingMaineMom

      Then call ME abnormal also! I’m not about to stop someone from having an abortion personally, but this woman actually pre-planned her abortion, meaning got pregnant just to have an abortion. In what shape or form is THAT normal?

    • deja-view

      This world needs far more Sarah Palins that people like the baby-murdering, so-called “counselor”….or people like you who support this abomination.

  • Bonita Medlin

    I don’t believe in abortion, but I do believe that the choice to have one is between a woman and her God..
    However, having stated that, the thought that she could film herself (even just her facial and vocal responses while having the procedure) is what I find most sickening.

  • Kendra

    Makes me want to cry…or scream…or something. So sad!! The world will forever be deprived of whatever that sweet life had to offer.

  • bob

    Link or its fake.

  • Janet Hix Tagart

    Okay. This woman works at the clinic, councils women on abortion and THEN doesn’t have the sense to use birth control and avoid getting pregnant? I have to wonder if she didn’t get pregnant ON PURPOSE just so she could have this video made of herself legally ending (murdering) “the life” she said she was in awe of making?

  • Northof55

    Why did your mother consider aborting Trig?

    • Jerry Lee

      I read that too, what’s up with that?

      • Bhgy

        Either Sarah’s Prolife stance is just a sham. Or she made up the story about momentarily considering a portion.

    • deja-view

      Yeah? Give us a source for that. A credible source…..like Mrs. Palin herself.

      • Bhgy

        She has written and spoken about it herself. Surely you’ve read her books. All of them any of them

        • deja-view

          Nope……don’t have time to read books by politicians or entertainers.

    • Richard Smit

      she didnt!!

  • Moviesforlife

    You think it’s wrong to abort a fetus even in the cases of rape, incest or if the mother’s life is at risk but it’s alright to kill an innocent child overseas? Hypocrisy.

    • deja-view

      “…kill an innocent child overseas…”? Care to explain that? If you are talking about fighting a war, that has nothing to do with this because no soldier targets “innocent children”. Are you saying the same thing to all the Islamic thugs who kill their own wives and children if they aren’t good enough Muslims? Do you speak up about the severe abuse that Muslim women endure? Do you put your money where your mouth is to fight the disgraceful anti-woman activities of the Taliban and Sharia Law?

      • Moviesforlife

        Care to explain why a sergeant left his camp and murdered 16 Afghan people most of them were children in their sleep? Radical Christians like you treat women like shit and force them not to have abortions if they’re poor or are victims of rape and incest.

        • deja-view

          So, you are comparing one soldier who went nuts with an entire culture and religion that believes women are like cattle to be owned, bought, sold, beaten, raped, stoned, denied education, the right to drive, the right to walk down a street unescorted, the right to choose a mate, the right to live without fear? Is THAT what you are comparing Christian men to? You are foolishly ignorant and have NO idea what you’re talking about.

          And, you think “radical Christians” are bad because they actually value the lives of children not yet born — like our entire culture and society did for centuries? The “right” to kill your unborn child is a recent plague on America and the world, not a historical one.

          Obviously, you don’t think a child in the womb is a human baby. What do you propose that growing part of both mother AND FATHER is? A tree? A rock? A dog? A fish? What other than a HUMAN BABY is a growing fetus?

    • Pamdrr

      I honestly understand having to consider other options in such circumstances that you listed, I really, really do. Either way, it’s not my place to judge anybody. And in retrospect, I really believe that no one is going to look a a rape victim in the eye and judge a woman who just underwent what is probably one of the most horrific experiences of her life (rape) if she wasn’t emotionally stable enough to carry on with the pregnancy. But, unfortunately, only 1% of abortions account for rape. Sometimes it is okay to admit irresponsible decision making which led to such consequence… (contraceptives are pretty reliable nowadays if used properly); this is the only way someone can truly learn from their mistakes and prevent them from happening again. It’s not our place to judge someone, but at the same time, it’s not okay to not admit our faults, either. We can’t always just point blame elsewhere to make our own self-esteems more righteous. We all make mistakes, and I do believe that those are our own “demons” that we then have to live with. However, this young lady knew the controversy that she would receive posting a video of such a heated topic and was still willing to undertake the journey. Oh – and I am a proud army wife and have to say that I find your generalized statement very offensive. As you cannot apply the 1% of abortions accounted for rape to every abortion, you cannot generalize that statement as well, especially since that soldier was reprimanded appropriately for his actions, meaning, nobody thinks what he did was okay. So no, it is not hypocrisy, actually, as this soldier was given life in prison for taking lives, whereas abortion has no consequence, (especially not life in prison as the particular soldier you mentioned received), is legal, and is actually pretty socially accepted nowadays. So, before you generalize a horrible event and call hypocrisy, you should definitely really analyze the two situations. I am not posting this judge or criticize the women above as you’re right, we do not know her reasonings; however, I think it’s important to note that we cannot generalize every abortion to rape (when it accounts for only 1% of abortions) to justify actions while also generalizing the actions of one man who is now facing life in prison for said actions.

  • dr. woo

    Brietbart has been all over this since Monday. Lovely comments there.

  • tsjay310

    Wait, wait, wait….she want’s the sonogram picture of the kid she just killed ? Suddenly, I don’t feel so bad about my own sanity anymore.

  • SALT life

    Do any of y’all no why she had one what if she was forced or what ifshe was raped did you think about that? No how about you put yourself in her shoes and when you have no other choice I wanna see what you choose!

    • Deirdre Kenny

      Really? That’s your statement?? Really weak!! Look at the facts! Either way, it’s murder!

      • SALT life

        But who are you to judge her abortion or adoption someone will still judge her.

        • Daniel Hurd

          She got pregnant because she didn’t use protection and she didn’t want the baby either way, it is still murder.

          • Daniel Hurd

            I will admit that we are no one to judge her, but God’s Word, the Bible, says this is wrong and only God has the authority to say that. Knowing this I am to tell this message to others.

          • now you know

            How long ago was that book written???? I sure over the hundreds of years it has been added to and stuff taken out! Times have changed and you can’t go by a book written so long ago!

          • Daniel Hurd

            What are you going by? The whims of men on what is right amd wrong. The Bible says that. But for it to be written by 60 different men used by God to communicate His message to us and there is not one contradiction shows signs of divine inspiration. Just because it os old doesn’t mean it is wrong. If that is the case we should stop breathing or eating because we have been doing that since the beginning of time.

          • now you know

            I am not saying the “Good” book is wrong, but there are holes… To say if my wife is rapped and becomes pregnant she has to carry that child because it is God’s way… I’m sorry but HELL NO!!! And to say God gave us that child and we must carry thru with it, come on really?? Her body, her choice and no one has a right to tell her diffrent!

          • Daniel Hurd

            So it is ok for me to kill my child if they become too much of a financial burden or if my wofe was raped became pregnant had the child would it be ok to kill the child after it is born?

          • now you know

            What are you even talking about… Did I mention any of that in anything above?? I am talking about someone becoming pregnant by some scum bag that raped her… And people say I am murding someone cause she doesn’t keep it cause it’s God’s way or the bible says so. And just cause God said it thats the right way!!! Well I don’t beleive it is! You want to beleive there is a god up there making all these decisions, I think that is great and would never knock someone for thinking so… I don’t know my 5 year old for beleiving in Santa Clause! But I know he’s not real!! I live a good life… I volunteer around my community, I give to charities, never been arrested or been to jail… I treat others how I want to be treated! I do not need a book to tell me what is right or wrong or how I should live MY life!!

          • Daniel Hurd

            I am just saying that you have no foundation for your beliefs other than your emotions. That is not a stable foundation because emotions are always changing. You say it is ok to kill a child before it is birn and I could say it is ok to kill the child after they are born. We would both be right if we based our morals off of emotions. You do not reject the Bible because it contradicts itself. You reject it because it contradicts your sinful nature.

          • now you know

            Haha… So if I am hearing you right, I have a sinful nature because I don’t follow a book?? I do have a foundation for my beliefs… Me! They do change on emotions… Right is right and wrong is worng. That does not change! I do not reject the Bible, I chose to live my life how I choose. If you choose to live the the Bible, that is your choice and I think that is great cause you are living how you choose and makes you happy. But there is nothing wrong with my choice either… And I beleive there are situations where it is up to the woman to decide if she goes thru pregnecy or not, but stupidy is not one of them!!

          • Daniel Hurd

            We all have a sin nature because we all decide to sin. Rom 3:23. Jesus died on the cross to save us from our sins because God knew we could not save ourselves from our sin. Just a quick question though. How do you determine what is riggt and what is wrong since you said that does not change?

          • now you know

            Common sense!! So you mean to tell me the only way you know right from wrong is the Bible?

          • Daniel Hurd

            It is my foundation. Yes. If I have a situation come up where I have to make a moral decision I base it off of what the Bible says. If I based it on common sense that would be changing all the time. Because one hundred years ago it was common sense to not abort a baby and I am sure a hundred years from now it will be common snese to kill a 5 year old if you don’t want to take care of the kid anymore.

          • now you know

            What they a hundred years form now is out of my hands… So my last question… So my wife should have carried and gone thru with her pregnecy because same scum bag decided to force himself on her no matter how hard fought no matter how many time she said no??? And I am the jerk cause I don’t want our first child to be for some piece of shit… Please answer that question, but I will give you my answer as well… Hell no and I would do it again!!!

          • Daniel Hurd

            Just because some scumbag raped a woman doesn’t give her the right to murder. There is joy in life. That child did not choose to come into the world that way. So because some guy raped a woman that removes that child’s right to live? What common sense does that come from?

          • Moviesforlife

            So in your logic a woman must keep that scumbag’s spawn to remind her of her agony when she was being violated?

          • Daniel Hurd

            Murder is never right. If my wife divorced me I wouldn’t kill my dauhjter just because she reminded me of the pain that my wife caused. All of you are disgusted by the idea of killing a child that is already born, but it woild not be any different if I kill the child before they are born. Rape does not make murder right.

          • KWedel

            Less than 1% of abortions are performed because of rape. Can we please stop using that tired old excuse?

          • now you know

            The woman has every right to choose what she wants to do… Whether that is to keep it or get rid of it is her body is her choice and her choice alone!! Not some book telling her what she “should” do!! And abortions are nothing new to be going on a lot longer than just the last hundred years!! Bottom line is it’s her body and her own decision!!

          • KWedel

            The baby’s body is not hers. Simple. As. That.

        • Francie May Kline

          By your stupid logic, we shouldn’t have judges of any kind to convict murders of any kind….since it’s not our place to judge. And, besides, we don’t know what the reasons were…

          • SALT life

            Even the juries are wrong in trail that’s why you can appeal trail. It’s not your place to judge this women only gods

      • SALT life

        So if you got raped your saying you would keep it if you got pregnant or if you had a situation that you had no choice in and adoption wasn’t a option you would keep it

        • SALT life

          And don’t forget adding keeping is not a option to what would you do

      • now you know

        What are you facts to say it murder????? Either way her body her choice!!!!!!

        • Francie May Kline

          No, check your facts. It is NOT a part of her body that was killed; it was someone else’s…her child’s. How else can you explain different DNA? Possibly even a different gender? The “It’s her body” argument is propaganda and lies. Period.

          • now you know

            So is it her body or not that it’s growing on? Then she has every right to choose what comes out of it or what grows in it!! PERIOD!!!!! There are your facts!!!

          • Francie May Kline

            So now you admit that “it” is “growing on” its mother…not actually her body at all? Your point, therefore, is moot as we ALL have INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS!!!!!!!! “A person is a person, no matter how small!”-Dr. Seuss

  • missionmedic62

    I have to Pray for this woman as she is so confused……thats what the enemy does to us if we are weak. She may think she is tough now but just wait. It’s murder any way you slice it. It not only effects the woman doing this tragedy it also effects the man, i speak for my self as I was once so very selfish and when i was in High School my girlfriend became pregnant. She had the abortion, but i have paid dearly in my own heart. I know I have been forgiven, but how sorry i’m. We were so confused, so confused. I love life, and I love children to think I should have a 35 year old boy or girl haunts me to this day. I feel so sorry for this lost soul.

    • Tyhcu

      pray to who? the stars? there is no god hahah you people lol… the sooner you all realize this the better your life will be :)

  • Shannon

    Absolutely despicable. People disgust me. Why is it more important to save the life of an endangered wildlife animal and protect them against poachers but when it comes to human babies it’s perfectly ok to kill them?! What this country has come to is absolutely sickening.

  • SALT life

    Not understanding why people are so worried about what other people do with there life. I mean is this women really affecting you because she had a abortion really if she kept the kid would y’all be happy an take care of it with her no

    • Bhgy

      It’s because they believe God creates all life at conception and they must fight to save Gods children. That’s all.

      • Chelsea Veronie

        I don’t give two shits about God’s children. What’s barbaric is that she created a life because of her own irresponsibility and then murdered it. Had someone go in and literally rip it’s innocent limbs apart, all because she is a fucking irresponsible cold hearted bitch. That’s all.

        • Bhgy

          Well, it appears you do believe in Hell so I’m thinking you believe in God like the vast majority of Prolifers. And maybe you should read up on early abortion procedures.

        • Tyhcu

          it happens get over it…

    • Francie May Kline

      Um, actually, not only I, but thousands of infertile couples would have gladly taken her baby and raised it with all the love he/she deserved! Also, I don’t care one tiny bit what she does with her OWN life; it’s the life of another person that I care about. I.E. the little girl or boy that she murdered in cold blood. Do you not have a problem with murderers?

      • SALT life

        Then go adopt a child because no one would have even known about this if it wasn’t posted. There are plenty of kids that need a home not just babies!! I don’t see it as murder I see it as women should have a choice it is not label as murder until your in the end of 2 trimester.

      • SALT life

        She already did so really what is the form of everyone’s opinion when in realty is won’t change nothing

        • SALT life

          Its a women’s right to make a choice yes she could of used birth control but she didn’t so she can live with what she has done. But in reality its done she had a abortion an y’all are just trying to play god ( witch he doesn’t like) an form a controversial argument. But y should she have choose adoption over abortion? So that way the kid can come back to her when its 18 and hate her? Or how about getting raised in a orphanage to be forgotten or molested by workers or adotive parents who miss treat you an then send you back to a orphange an do the same thing or an over again until the kid can finally escape does that sound like a perfect life?

  • SALT life

    If she kept the baby and couldn’t take care of it then she’s a bad person too so she did what she thought was right at the moment… God is the only one who should be judging he doesn’t want anyone else to judge or mimic what he does. They are not doing what the lord askeds they are just judging making them look good but in reality somewhere down the road they had a abortion or someone in there family had one… Don’t be hating people she had her fame like she wanted maybe this was a way for her to cope

    • Francie May Kline

      God already did judge; He said: “Thou shalt not kill”!

      • SALT life

        So let him take care of it if you want to help then just pray for her. Don’t they say god does strange things for a reason he knew that baby shouldn’t been brought into a world like this

  • now you know

    Really it is no ones business what she does, a unless you know the story behind why she had it done you shouldn’t judge. But again even then still not your business. That is what is wrong with people today, everyone wants to judge everyone else when I’m sure you all have your own skeletons! And maybe the video was a little much, but you have a choice not to watch it!!!

    • Chelsea Veronie

      LOL. I’m pretty sure she made it the whole damn world’s business when she FILMED herself and uploaded it for the world to see. Do you think not?

      • Bhgy

        Chelsea is right and no doubt the woman knew that going into it. In that case, I give her credit for putting herself out there in an effort yo help other women know what to expect during an abortion and to help temove the stigma amd shame…. which is just what those judging and insulting her don’ t want.

    • Richard Smit

      Abortion is still wrong! and there is nothing wrong about Sarah palin stances on abortion!!

      • Moviesforlife

        Because we know she didn’t give birth to Trig she used him as a prop to appeal to the anti-abortion freaks.

        • Richard Smit

          she did really gived birth to her! you know nothing about her Family!

          • Moviesforlife

            Neither do you.

          • Richard Smit

            I know a lot more about her than you do!

    • Catma

      How can anyone in their right mind watch that? That is far and away about the sickest thing I’ve heard of.

    • indemind

      “Really it is no ones business what she does”…. Daaa!

      Really, This women is filming her abortion and putting out there for everyone to see. by doing so, she is inviting all into HER BUSINESS…

  • Guest

    We are passionate about what we believe but when someone steps on our toes it makes us angry. I don’t like it when I have done wrong and somebody tells me I am wrong….it is called sin not judging….If somebody chose to kill you….you would have missed out my friend! It just shows how far God’s creation has fallen….since the beginning of time until the end…..God will make a new heaven and earth and it will not have sin in it…..I press on until then….

  • 56Survivor

    Obviously this young woman has mental health issues. As the realization sets in that she has killed her own baby those issues will only get worse. I sincerely hope she has a family that she can turn to and will get her the help she needs.

    • Bhgy

      Not every woman who has an abortion feels remorse.

      • yeahyeahyeah

        which is sickening.

  • Cam

    you people who judge this woman make me sick to my stomach. i hope she has a dozen more.

    • Chelsea Veronie

      And you will burn in hell along with her.

      • Tyhcu

        there is no hell or heaven.. the sooner you people realize this the better you will be :)

    • Bhgy

      Why would you hope she has a dozen more?

    • Pamdrr

      This is a very naive comment for a person whether they are pro-life or pro-choice. The decision to have an abortion is not taken very lightly in most instances and can be hard for women. There is a syndrome that is becoming more recognized – Post Abortion Syndrome – or a form of PTSD. In fact, 40-60% of abortions are reported with negative feelings afterwards. So, why would you wish that on anybody? That’s even more cruel and insensitive than judging her as you are not respecting how emotional this actually could be for this women. Maybe you are trying to prove a point in your very clear pro-choice stance, but this women still deserves sensitivity regardless of what our stance is to such comments.

      • Tyhcu

        it her choice so stfu… :)

  • Courtney

    Of course everyone has to bring God into this circumstance. We are organic beings; we produce and then we die, as a flower or dog. While the emotional realization of taking life is horrible, the plain and simple fact is that accidents happen and if she doesn’t want it why would one sway her to bring a child into this world that she obviously does not have the capacity to care for?

    “She shouldn’t be having sex then.”

    No, then she should not be reproducing; having sex and reproducing are two different activities. It’s called a choice and we were all given them the moment someone decided to not take our own lives.

    Besides, do you know how many women cause miscarriages in their lifetime, intentional or not? There are a lot of lost lives in this world; why don’t we start thinking about the ones that already need to be taken care of instead of the ones we keep carelessly creating?

    I am NOT pro-abortion, I am pro-choice (clearly), for any of you who cannot make that distinction on your own.

    • Richard Smit

      there is no difference between pro choice and pro abortion! if you are pro choice than you are for abortion!

      • Bhgy

        Richard that’s awesome. Yes, a Palin fan would say that. But in reality someone who is pro choice supports all of the choices available to a woman and knows they are hers to make.

        • Richard Smit

          Yeah, the choice to kill unborn childeren!

          • Tyhcu

            get over it.. it happens :)

    • Richard Smit

      this is a pro Palin page! Palin haters are and anti christians are not allowed here!!!

      • Moviesforlife

        Nobody likes Palin and her family.

        • Richard Smit

          Well, people who dont like them have no heart!

        • indemind

          You are entitled to your own opinion, just not your own facts.

          • Bhgy

            It sounds like movies for life was having fun with Richards claim that Sarah Palin is the greatest person ever. Actually I think Richard was too.

        • Tyhcu

          Palin is a Hoe

      • Bhgy

        Yay Richard is back with his Palin super fan routine. Love it!

        • Richard Smit

          i am proud to be a Palin super fan! Sarah Palin is the greatest person ever!

      • Tyhcu

        shes a Hoe

    • boece

      OF COURSE you’re pro-abortion. “Pro-choice” is a euphemism, a word that attempts to supplant the reality of what you’re actually doing, which is killing the child inside of you.

      It’s utterly intellectually dishonest to imagine you can be simultaneously for “choice” yet against that which enables choice, which is abortion. If you support choice you support abortion, period.

      Miscarriages are natural events, usually prompted by a lack of viability of the fetus. Unlike abortions, they are not a deliberate choice – in fact, if you’ve ever known a woman trying to get pregnant who miscarries they’re usually pretty devastating events.

      The rationalizations for abortion – that the child would otherwise be unwanted, that there are “too many” unwanted children already, that the mother doesn’t want or cannot take care of the child anyway, that legalized abortions make the entire practice safer – are no different than the Nazi arguments for eugenics (in fact, they are eerily similar).

      Abortion is about one thing and one thing alone: The promotion of a essentially post-Christian pornographic culture of promiscuous, consequence-free sexual behavior that has come to be the norm in our society.

      Every other rationalization simply represents human beings lying to themselves, to their innermost souls, about our true nature.

    • Catma

      Your right, it is a choice. And if you CHOOSE to have sex than you better be prepared to deal with what MIGHT come from that. If you don’t want to have a baby why are you getting pregnant? Double up on your contraception if you need to. There is just no reason for this anymore. And since when is it considered “organic” to murder a living being? It is living and growing inside you. And if your going to murder your baby, please do not video it, this is not “birth like” this is murder like. And you hit the nail on the head “…instead of the ones we keep CARELESSLY creating”. Grow up and take some responsibility, to defend this is heinous. Perhaps we should tax abortions, everyone who has one pays generously, instead of providing them for free.

  • C.A. Gibson

    Sick- o. If her apartment catches fire she might want to take that as a warning.

  • Richard Smit

    Lol, look at all the liberal welfare recipients that are commenting on this

    • Tyhcu

      :)

    • disqus_MzTYyoMy2Q

      Funny cause while you are getting angry about an unborn baby. There are thousands of the children you want to be born living off welfare because their parents can’t afford to take care of them. As I said y’all only care about the baby in the womb but once it’s out you don’t give a shit.

      • SALT life

        Strongly agree with you

  • suzannarosannadanna

    I hope that she really wasn’t pregnant and the truth comes out so everyone will see how low pro death crowd will go to promote infanticide.
    http://youngcons.com/was-the-girl-who-filmed-her-own-abortion-to-show-how-cool-it-can-be-even-actually-pregnant/

  • Richard Smit

    Sarah Palin haters should be all banned from this site!

    • Tyhcu

      she’s a Hoe :)

  • arrowman2

    Liberals are just afraid of the Palins.

  • Lskkio

    She will feel guilty for the rest of her life! This will haunt her FOREVER!

    • Tyhcu

      no i doubt that.. im pretty sure she thought this through… Very Well.. Get over it….

  • Tina

    One day as she stands before God…May she recieve the same mercy, her baby recieved from her.

    • Tyhcu

      there is no god.. as soon as you realize this the better off you are.. :)

      • Eveder

        Our bodies, our minds, our beliefs, our God…Get over it. Cute baby by the way…makes me curious why you would support the filming of an abortion while cradling a newborn? Things that make you go…HHMmmm?

        • Cordirose

          Bristol didn’t support the filming of the abortion at all. Maybe you should actually read the article.

          • Eveder

            I was speaking to Tyhcu and referring to her not Bristol…Maybe you should pay attention to the conversation…

          • Cordirose

            Since it really wasn’t aimed at you and I am sorry that it posted that way maybe you should take a deep breath.

      • Mad

        You are sick as well. People like you need to live in a box down by the river. Shame on you. You will also be before the. king & judged as she stands in front of you.

      • Tina

        What makes you think there is no God?
        Look around you…..do you think everything you see is an accident? So many miracles … open your eyes. Or better yet…your heart. You’re missing out. :)

  • Amanda

    Thank you for being strong and standing up for what a follower of Jesus should stand up for! I appreciate your willingness to speak up about other “followers” are afraid to speak up about!

  • celestiallady

    Good for you Bristol. I only hope she reads your words. I believe this woman is sick.

  • Genevieve

    This literally makes me want to vomit. What sick person would murder their own child, film it, hum throughout the whole thing, compare it to giving birth, and then say she is just in awe of herself for “making a life”… that she just killed… Is this some sort of crazy, insane person?? She should be committed into a mental hospital! I’ve never heard of such idiotic statements! She out rightly contradicts her own feelings and statements. Either she’s a lunatic, or she’s just a warped, perverted human being. This is really insane.

  • Catherine Bacik

    http://catherinelifeasiknowit.blogspot.com/2014/05/one-womans-reaction-to-video-of-woman.html

    My question I bring up in my post I had to write is…did she think of all the women who can’t “make a baby” and how this will hurt them beyond the pain they already feel?

    • realsmartmom

      Of course not. Pro-choicers are inherently selfish. They care about the “right now” and the “me” in every situation. Liberals are, by their very nature, narcissistic. They have no real sympathy or empathy for other human beings. They disguise this unrelenting need they have to control everyone around them as caring and concern. Let’s face it, she was really concerned about the life of her child, wasn’t she? “All the love in the room”, my ass.

      • Mad

        Amen.

      • Brandon Wilson

        Your propagandic bullshit is only worthy as a means of humor.

        You’ve just generalized an entire demographic as being narcissistic or lacking of basic human emotion. you’ve attempted to dehumanize liberals, and for what? To make a statement regarding ONE issue?

        I happen to have a strong sense of morals regarding the horror that is abortion. And I happen to have very liberal ideals, does that make me a narcissistic unfeeling beast? Taking another human life in itself is disgusting, but making a show of it is unforgivable, i understand all too well the rage that you may have.

        but…

        When you generalize an entire group of people as being *insert derogatory name here*, you show that you lack the capacity to distinguish friend from foe in a given issue, It only makes you appear blind to the issue at hand. On top of that, it makes one question as to whether your other ideals revolve around that one single notion, and if that’s the case then you’ve established to everyone else that you’re an ignorant being.

        you’ve made a radical statement in response to an even more radical and gruesome act. I understand your compulsion to defy the opposing view, with every fiber of your being, but doing so will only spark further radical notions from the opposite spectrum. By the time all is said and done, there is no insight to be had, only opposing views that will forever ricochet back and forth off both parties strong ideals.

        If you truly oppose such things, then open your mind a little. Strive for compromise and reform.

        And for god’s sake, try to filter out all that you hear on the News, you should question everything, and reach your own conclusion afterward.

        • Cordirose

          Funny, I don’t see any of this in the article. What article did you read?

          • Brandon Wilson

            That’s because it’s in response to a comment I found be devoid of any intelligent thought.

            See the arrow Pointing to :”Realsmartmom” Tailing my name, above the comment you’re referring to?

            That’s what my rant is in response to.

            and it should be noted that I am very opposed to what this women did. She took something that was already breaking the hearts of millions, and spat it back out AT them. This women is what “Realsmartmom” is, on the liberal spectrum. In other words, devoid of intelligent thought.

        • mel mariner

          But you just said it was a political ploy.

          • Brandon Wilson

            It is a political ploy, its preying on the emotions of compassionate people. To further a cause that’s in most cases, completely unrelated to ending abortion. I think using Pro-choice as a means to run on is equally disgusting as the act itself.

          • Brandon Wilson

            That’s not to say that there aren’t some candidates that legitimately care about ending abortion, i’m just trying to communicate the idea that anyone can wave a “Pro-life” or :”Pro-choice” banner and have a band of radicals behind them instantly. This is an issue regarding ethics, and ethics alone. Politicians have seized this high-profile issue as a means to ensure votes in their favor. ~That~ is sickening.

          • proud vet

            dems and the rest of the left are all pro-choice except for guns ,energy, schools,god, american flag,what food we eat, what we try and teach our kids morals, the bible,and anything to do with what the founding fathers did

          • Brandon Wilson

            who or what is dem?

            And I like shooting guns, i have nothing against the american flag, I think Theology as a class should be offered in EVERY school.

            Energy? all the liberals want to do regarding energy is research new, sustainable means of keeping the lights on, haha. And i will admit, that in order to do so effectively, they have kind of put the hammer down on less-clean means of producing energy.

            They have no right to restrict what food we eat, i agree with you 100% in that respect. It may kill us just as quick as smoking cigarettes, but it is OUR choice as Americans.

            I really dont see how the democratic party influences what we teach our children within the privacy of our own homes, that seems a bit far-fetched to me. But maybe you do have your reasons, for concern, i’d love to hear about them.

            Liberals have done nothing to inhibit our ability to read and learn from the teachings in the bible. In respect to this, i can’t help but lose a smidge of respect for you. I still see bibles, I see them all over the place. Like bookstores. We can even bring them into school to read. hell, we could even have them read to us if we were to invest in making theology a required course, it’d sure as hell beat american literature, haha. =) When i was in kindergarten our teacher took us off of school grounds to give us miniature bibles, lol. We’ll always find a way to spread the word of god.

            To be honest, I’m not familiar enough with what our founding fathers actually did or said, so i wont touch on this much. I will say that as a growing nation, reform is necessary.

          • proud vet

            dems are democrats as far as guns it is not about shooting but gun control if they had their way they would take them away from us the constitution says it is a right keep and bear arms in the language at the time it was written to bear means to carry.therefore there is no need for a license people say its the same as a drivers license but it is not driving a car is not a right guaranteed by the constitution.as for energy they are attacking and doing all that they can to put them out of business like the pipeline why doesnt the emperor approve it everyone else has except for tree huggers there is not a viable source of enough of that type of energy but they still want to put coal miners out of work and oilfield workers out of work it is not the govt job to do this it is states right when it comes to theflag a panel of the 9th circuit court of appeals called the american flag a symbol of racism be cause a school in california would not let american students wear flag t shirt and mexicans could on may 5 it doesnt matter what they wear but if they want to wear them that is their choice not the school or a court why is mexican flag ok in usa but american flag is not . if u read govt in nyc outlawing sodas etc some try to stop ur choice to smoke in your own home do away with supersize meals etc when u look around they are trying to regulate every little thing u do except to kill unborn babys when it comes to bible and god we no longer have a moment of silec for prayer (when i went to school we prayed out loud) a child in newhampshire was told by his teacher during free reading time where they can read what they want he couldnt read the bible and principal agreed. its with lawyers now when ur kids come home from school and tell u that teachers tell u things arent true that u are telling them about history or bible what would u call it these are some of the very things the founders split from england i believe in the bible and the constitution the way it was written and as a vietnam vet i would have and still would die for this country the way it was then but now i would do anything to send democrats to russia so they could regulate and brainwash those people

      • disqus_MzTYyoMy2Q

        This is funny. Republicans care more about an unborn baby then the thousands of children that are orphans living in horrible foster care. Or the kids of the poor people. Who’s against food stamps, who’s against free medical care for the poor?! Republicans. It’s funny because once the child is out of the womb nobody cares. Who cares if the mom can’t pay for food and god forbid if she tries to get welfare, food stamps and obamacare. Republicans are against free handouts yet you fight for unborn babies but not the poor or orphaned children. Why don’t you make a difference by volunteering at a children’s shelter or something. Not ranting about a choice you shouldn’t be involved in. It doesn’t pertain to your life. If you want to show love for children. DO IT. Go and make a difference by showing the kids that are already out there in our country that don’t have homes, that don’t have food, and that has yet to expierence the love you all are talking about. Show THOSE CHILDREN LOVE. The ones that are in the here and now.

        • Brandon Wilson

          that’s because, for the most part, Pro-Life, is just a political ploy.

          • Holly Skaggs

            Live life a little longer, learn a little more to form your own opinion. Your mother made the right choice and had you. Honor her on mother’s day. Don’t glorify abortion by agreeing with those who do.. Most Pro-life rallies are silent protests. Most women are confused on what to do when they are scared about their pregnancy and just need the right guidance. I know of a pro-life facility next to an abortion clinic who gives out free sonograms, most women after seeing their baby make the life decision. I know of a girl who was 20 and had 3 children, she was happy she had her children adopted by a loving family who could not have kids. So adoption is a good choice also. Every woman I know that had an abortion regrets it immensely and to begin the healing process had another child to try and heal the emptiness they feel. Because they never forget even though God forgave them when they asked. To this day my one friend has trouble seeing my beautiful son as he is around the same age as the son she terminated. It breaks her heart, and for the first 5 yrs she couldn’t even be around him as it hurt her so much.

          • Brandon Wilson

            Of course they feel immense regret!! Do you honestly think God would design us to have the capacity to rid ourselves of our own child without feeling regret?(unless we’re talking about the borderline sociopath that this discussion originated from) No, we’re creatures of remorse and other emotions that make us human. I would NEVER ~glorify~ abortion. It’s an abomination, but it’s an abomination that shouldn’t be handled by sleazy political figures on either spectrum.

            My belief is that we should keep some of the Pro-choice ideals around, but restrict the circumstances in which abortions are allowed, then divert all this “Pro-life” & “Pro-choice” effort into a unified push to simplify and lessen the cost of adopting children.

            After We take care of, house, and love the children that could be saved(were it not for this cluster-fucked adoption system), Then I’d love to throw my prior concerns aside and Wave your pro-life banner with you.

          • Brandon Wilson

            And Pro-choice*

        • Candace Trout

          Foster children are beautiful and so are unborn children. We do not care more about the unborn than we do those in foster care, it just happens to be about priority. If you were standing on a sidewalk and on your left you saw a woman abusing her 4 year-old her child and on the right a woman murdering her 4 year-old child, which would you jump to protect first?…….
          Oh and P.S., I do specifically work with children here and in Kenya.

          • disqus_MzTYyoMy2Q

            But it isn’t a 4 year old child being murdered in the streets. It is in a woman’s body in the safety of professional medical doctors. It is none of mine or your concern what women chose to do with their BODIES. And good for you working with children in Kenya. Glad you are making a difference. I was more referring to the other people on here. Especially the one saying “look at the welfare liberals.” Which proved a bit of my point.

          • proud vet

            all that woman proved was she wants to get laid without consequences but their was a consequence and instead of accepting it it was easier to kill the problem yet these type of trash protest the death penalty for criminals but it all boils down to one thing she spread her legs and made a baby then spread her legs to murder it

        • Cordirose

          You don’t have a clue. There are many, many couples out there who would love to foster or adopt. The unfortunate thing is the government makes it a long (years) tedious process to adopt. Maybe if they changed some of the archaic adoption rules for the everyday middle class couple instead of trying to find all the rich, famous people there would be more adopted. My sister and her husband tried for 10 years to adopt and the process took so long that they were then considered ‘too old” to adopt. So they went to China to find their children. People do care once those children are out of the womb. Many of us contribute to support them, pay for food, provide them their needs even though we have families of our own. By the way we are Republican.

          • SALT life

            Never works out the adoptive parents are worse then crack head parents atleast a crack head parent has time for a kid when they are home

          • Cordirose

            My sister and brother in law are certainly NOT crackheads. They had a good home, income to support children and were good hardworking people who just wanted to give children who had no family or home a family and home, education and most importantly love. Your generalization of adoptive parents being worse than crack heads is very insulting and totally inappropriate and uneducated.

          • SALT life

            Have you been adopted before have you lived that world that you think is so wonderful?

          • Cordirose

            It is very narrow minded of you to think that just because you may have had a bad experience, all adoptive children do. I am sorry for you.

          • SALT life

            O go fuck yourself. I would really hate to have you as a parent having to coming home one day to tell you I needed a abortion.. Just so you could judge me ,you come off as a type that you would disown your child smh.

          • SALT life

            You can’t answer have you ever lived that life style. I bet not because you have your nose so high in the air your head in the coulds people have abortions get over it they have Been since way back in the day

          • proud vet

            back in the day the women who mainly got abortions were whores who wanted to keep working as far as that lifestyle u talk about people have a choice of their lifestyles go to school then work now its skip school get laid do drugs and let decent working people support their habits or lack of ambition this is the way of the the left no responsibility

          • Cordirose

            Abortion would never be an option with my daughters because they believe ALL life is sacred…including yours. One of them could have chosen abortion, but chose life instead and we have the most wonderful little 4 year old grandson now. I will pray that your heart will be healed.

          • Brandon Wilson

            Exactly. If we simplify the means by which we give children good homes, then we become one step closer to finding a compromise that alleviates all of this unnecessary tension and hatred.

    • SALT life

      They are plenty of other baby’s and kids out there that need a home

      • mel mariner

        You do not speak like someone that knows the author of life personally.

        • SALT life

          Never said I did simply putting my opinion out there just like everyone else.not everyone thinks its murder

    • SALT life

      Its just a fetus until it comes out then it’s labeled a infant

  • Tyhcu

    pro-choice.. her body her mind.. she can do what she wants… stop crying like kids in a candy store… get a life…

    • GUNGUYs

      It sounds more like take a life.

    • kjlx2

      Susan Smith’s car, Susan Smith’s mind. She should be able to do what she wanted…right? Will you write a letter to her parole board and help this wrongly convicted woman regain her freedom?

    • homeisthehunter

      “her body her mind”?? More like…her baby…innocent…trusting…safe within her mother in a sanctuary…in what should be the safest place in this world…her mother’s womb. Suddenly there is agonizing pain and then the baby’s silent cries are no more. And your response is “get a life”??? Watch the video “Silent Scream” and see if you still lack the humanity afterward to say you are wrong.

    • Candace Trout

      I do have a life, but this baby does not because of this sick woman’s choice.

    • proud vet

      i guess the baby didnt have a body or mind while i dont believe a man should hit a woman in this case i would make an exception because i wouldnt consider trash a woman just more trash to throw in garbage for the bottom feeders in this world so we will be like rome and we will burn while the left fiddle

    • Cordirose

      Pro Choice for her …death for the baby who has no choice.

  • realsmartmom

    Is it wrong for me to say that I would love to slap the taste right of this murderer’s mouth? I endured a C-section under general anesthesia because my epidural failed twice. I didn’t get to see my daughter until she was nearly two hours old. I missed her first breath and her first cry as her precious lungs expanded for the first time. The first words out of my mouth when I came to were “where is my baby?” THAT is what making life is about.

  • SusaninSC

    Well that’s just wrong. No matter if you are pro life or pro choice there is something wrong here when this woman says she is in awe that she could make a life when she just snuffed that life out, no matter what stage of life you wish to call it. Color me appalled.

  • Sue Lynn

    Heartbreaking…Jesus said in the last days people would be without natural affection…I believe He is coming some for his followers. I pray this women seeks forgiveness from Christ!

  • Mad

    Barbaric….& evil. What in God’s holy name has this world come to? Glorified murder?! Where lies her accountability when she CHOSE to
    make life then chose to kill the innocent life that had no choice nor voice.? This woman is sick & a murderer. No words to express the disgust I feel. Awful. May she burn in hell.

    • Taryn

      I had no intention of commenting on this article until I saw this. While I agree that this woman’s actions were not good in any way, who are you to EVER ask that a person burn in Hell. Last I understood as I read the Bible we ALL deserved hell. Yourself included. God in his infinite mercy grated us salvation from our fate if we follow him, but if I read the Bible correctly we as Christians are to love sinners to Christ, not try to condemn them to what we ourselves deserved. Christ died for all of us, this woman included. What she did was wrong, but we have no right to judge her as believers. I cry for the loss of innocent life, but I also cry for what my Lord and Savior cries for. The loss of every soul, even hers, pains our Father. Remember that all sins are equal in His sight and separate us from Him, and that we have no right to condemn others.

  • Barry A Wright

    She could do this because she is dead on the inside. I hope she’ll repent and let God save her.

  • SALT life

    Seems like this women acutally did something that you wanted to do or have done but to worried about what others will think of you. That’s what wrong with this world people always so scared to do something because of what others think.

    • Crystal Johansen

      Are you serious?!?! Your just as pathetic as she is! What she did is evil! I suggest the both of you find God cause your both going to hell!

      • SALT life

        Not me I’ve asked for lord in my heart an forgive your just making yourself look ugly but don’ me for my sins but dont worrie the lord has something big planned for you :)

    • proud vet

      as a veteran from the 60s i have seen death up close and is not fun or a game in that case people were trying to kill us so it is preservation in this case it is a game she wanted to get laid got caught so lets kill the baby so i can keep having fun with every man i see it is the mindset of the left we want to have fun but no responsebility

    • mel mariner

      She did something based on what people think. It went against what she knew inside to be true. Her time alone is going to be horrific because she now knows that it is a big deal. It doesn’t matter how many people lie and tell her that it is no big deal. That it is just a procedure. She knows the truth now. Unfortunately the people that are judging her here are not much different than the ones that will judge her if she admits that she is devastated.

      • SALT life

        Seems like she didn’t think it was wrong…. Just like 14 year olds think its okay to get pregnant too

  • fromAZ

    What makes me really writhe, is this woman is an “Abortion Counselor”? She had all the access and information at hand to PREVENT a pregnancy. Her actions show she is not qualified for her job. Fire her. Counselors should have some brain power.

  • Angela Myers Dixon

    I think she purposely got pregnant so she could kill her baby in her sick, self-glorifying film. She feels empowered to create life then take it. She is decieved and needs a Savior. I pray the true Giver of life, who is God Almighty, lift the blinders from her eyes and the veil from her heart.

  • Bobbie

    Her words ! “like giving birth”, I can make life”. And oh I can murder my baby too and just look at a sonogram and not take any responsibility for it. DUH! Makes me sick to my stomach. There are women mourning, devasted because they would have loved to have a baby, adopt a baby. But to some it’s just so much easier to just kill it!

  • Rocko19

    **

    [I won't link to her video or her article -- no need to further her acting career.]

    ====================
    Amen To That, Bristol…
    .

  • Rose

    She had a “choice” alright.. She used that “choice” in deciding to be
    irresponsible by spreading her legs to get pregnant in the first place.
    Once she did that she gave up her rights. Life is a blessed gift
    from God. I pray the good Lord never
    allows her womb to carry life again. She no longer deserves to receive the gift of life.

    • mel mariner

      I’m guessing that you deserved your salvation because you have never sinned? Think about it.

      • Rose

        Not without a repentive heart I wouldn’t. She has no remorse for her sin. In fact she’s quite proud of the choice she has made.

      • gramslinda

        There isn’t a one of us free of sin. None of us “deserved” our salvation. It was a gift from God, as are these precious little children, but we are not the Judge. Only God decides the final punishment.

    • CattyK

      You need to rip off her panties and paddle her naked fanny, don’t you Rose!?

    • gramslinda

      But where did we get the right to judge her and to wish a childless life upon her? God is the judge, jury, and the one to determine punishment. She lives her life differently than we do. Life is precious to us. But I will tell you that in my experience, most women come to seriously regret their “choice” to abort. Regret is a very painful pill to swallow.

  • silence_dogoode

    This woman is an odious monster. My God, what have we come to when in anyones mind, it is acceptable to video the slaughter of an infant.

    • mel mariner

      She is lost and someone that Christ died for too. Saul stood by and held the coats of those stoning Stephen. No one is beyond redemption. That is where we get our assurance.

      • Rose

        So, that makes it ok because she “might” repent one day? I guess we can all go home now and ignore all future abortions because all of the women having them just “might” repent for their sin one day and everything will be just dandy again.

        • Jenn

          No, Rose. That doesn’t make it right or okay. Duh. But, don’t count God out yet. God has offered His grace to her just as he offered it to you. Period.

        • Buck 0fama

          Rose is right! She needs to be PUNISHED! She needs to be taught to regret her sins. She is a SLUT!!

    • CattyK

      Huh? What infant? Do you even know what an infant is?

      • silence_dogoode

        Go the hell away moron, and take your asinine, trailer trash, LWNJ debauchery with you. Anyone prepared to defend this monstrosity and this abomination is beneath contempt and I’ll not dignify it by arguing with the likes of you.
        Take it somewhere else fool, I’m not biting.

  • Holly Skaggs

    I am not understanding this woman’s comments.? She contradicts herself. She treasures her sonogram and proud she can be capable of having a baby but yet
    terminates her lovely child. I will pray for her when the regret overwhelms her as most women do that have an abortion.

    • SALT life

      Have u had one holly

  • disqus_mAm2vGC5ER

    She is trying to justify an evil thing……it will catch up to her….SAD for her. It Is not a choice it is a BABY.

    • CattyK

      No, you’re mixed up. It’s a CHOICE, not a baby.

      • WWEL2

        The “Choice”? Whether to hire an assassin to brutally kill the child in the womb. it’s a barbaric “choice”.

  • WWEL2

    The baby’s perspective of his/her brutal murder should have been filmed. it probably would have been similar to the film, “The Silent Scream.”
    “Freedom of choice” — not for the baby!

    • CattyK

      Emily Letts was 1-2 weeks pregnant when she had an abortion. You really want to watch a film starring a SPECK?

      • Buck 0fama

        It is not a speck. It is a CHILD!

        • S. Wolf

          Not yet it isn’t.

          • WWEL2

            He or she is a developing human. To a pregnant woman who loves her child he or she is her child — appropriately.

            Denying personhood is an old trick for excusing terrible treatment of people. Slaveholders and people involved in the slave trade and the NAZIS come to mind.

          • S. Wolf

            Right, but it’s still not human or a child… not yet. It still doesn’t have feelings or thoughts or a mouth to voice concern. I’d be reluctant to give any real right to it until we’ve decided that it should live at all. To follow your theme, it could be the next Hitler. We could have saved the world but someone wanted demon spawn to be born. Where would we be then?

            If you’re going to fight to ensure that a human life is born, then you ultimately bear responsibility of all consequences good and bad of that child being brought into this life.

            Contrary to what you may believe, life is not sacred.

          • WWEL2

            ‘Right, but it’s still not human or a child… not yet. It still doesn’t have feelings or thoughts or a mouth to voice concern.”
            Science tells us he or she is alive and growing, has human genes — hot dog, horse,etc, genes — and is, therefore, a very young human. Every pregnant woman I have known referred to her “baby” in her womb, for very good reasons.

            Following the “logic: of your comments, every pregnancy should result in an abortion.

          • S. Wolf

            Then you clearly misunderstand my logic. I’ve not advocated that we abort every pregnancy.

            It’s not about science. We know what it will become, we know the base form of the organism. It’s not a human “child”, it does not eat, sleep or have the ability to communicate with anyone while it is in the womb. It has no higher cognition at that stage. It has no idea what’s going on.

            It’s about ability and what we allow in our society. We have the right to abort something that we don’t want it or if it presents a threat in some form or fashion to the rest of us be it economical, social, etc. If we allowed ourselves to over populate the planet we will be fighting over handfuls of dirt and water in the next 30 years.

          • WWEL2

            “it does not eat, sleep or have the ability to communicate with anyone while it is in the womb. It has no higher cognition at that stage. It has no idea what’s going on.”

            Your “logic” tells us an adult in a coma is not a human!

            You sound very much like Margaret Sanger, the founder and “patron saint” of Planned Parenthood — who admired Hitler and his attempts to “improve” the German population.

            In the most common type of abortion (D&C), the abortionist reaches a tool into the mother’s womb and kills the innocent, vulnerable child by dismemberment! Yes, the abortionist cuts and tears the child apart and removes the pieces one by one. These children have arms, legs, hands, feet, eyes, ears, noses, mouths, and beating hearts before the abortionists do their evil, horrific work! An assistant checks the pieces of the precious child — arms, legs, head, pieces of the torso — trying to ensure that all of the child is removed.

            Anyone who approves this barbarism has a heart of stone.

          • S. Wolf

            Again, you’re misinterpreting what I’m saying. The topic is about developing human embryos not comatose adults.

            There is a benefit to having a planned organism and a planned society. Hordes of ill educated and inexperienced people that didn’t have the resources to benefit from a proper upbringing is not a solution to that of a planned society where everyone has food, medicine, education and caring parents. If we can improve the general population and quality of life for those that are allowed to live (by reasonable choice of parents) then yes, abortions are worth it.

            Why does it always come down to Hitler for you guys? Trying to avert a tragedy on this scale is so much better than what he had ever accomplished.

          • WWEL2

            This in my previous post is not a misunderstanding:
            Your “logic” tells us an adult in a coma is not a human!

            I understand why you ignore most of my previous post.

            A “planned society” requires a Planner or Planners. Hitler is an excellent example.

          • S. Wolf

            It is a misunderstanding albeit willfully on your part now that I’ve had to clarify again. That logic does not extend to adults. It’s a condition of the logic that you are ignoring for the sake of… something.

            Any kind of successful society or civilization will require planning.

            I didn’t ignore your previous post, I simply failed to address it because it doesn’t really contribute to the discussion. We know what abortions do. I’ve read the science and I’m okay with it because the process has been refined enough to be safe for the mother. And I don’t really care who you think I sound like. It sounds like you’re reaching for hyperbole by painting me as Hitler or someone that would advocate his policies and I’m not going to bite. Sorry.

          • Richard Smit

            You are just another liberal welfare recipient that has nothing better to do than hating on Sarah Palin and bristol all day!

          • S. Wolf

            Oh, man. I wish you were right about that.

      • Anna MacIntosh

        Um, perhaps you should return to Biology class. She was clearly much farther along than 1-2 weeks. At 1-2 weeks there wouldn’t even be anything to abort, she was much farther along in her 1st Trimester. And what a sick witch to mention having the abortion as “special memory” and how she’ll always have the sonogram picture (more proof she was farther along than 1-2 weeks, there’s no way you can have a pregnancy sonogram that soon). I am so sickened by this narcissistic woman who was so desperate for attention that she chose to post such a video, and then be so excited as to say “yay” when it was done. I could seriously almost vomit.

  • Rose

    You Are Free To Make Choices In Life But You Are Not Free From The Consequences Of Those Choices.

    • Buck 0fama

      That Is The Most Brilliant Insight Ever Written!

  • James Gordon

    Does the child have any say in this?

    • S. Wolf

      Let’s hope not. Don’t be silly, a growth of cells is not a child. It may have potential to be a child but that’s just another self serving buzz word. Stalin had the potential to do good things in his life, only that he didn’t. Let’s hope cell growths don’t have any say in what happens. I wouldn’t want cancer to get any ideas about killing me.

      • toongoon

        Now children are cancer?

        • S. Wolf

          A growing embryo is neither a child nor cancer.
          I’ve known children to be born with cancer.

          • toongoon

            There is nothing else that a human embryo can become except a human baby. Just because it doesn’t as cute as a baby seal doesn’t mean it isn’t human or alive and able to feel the pain of the tools and suction as it is drawn out in pieces from its secure home. To deny that is inhuman for the sake of advancement of an ideology.that devalues life more and more.
            It is selfishness disguised as compassion.

          • S. Wolf

            Right, but as I keep saying an embryo is not a child. It’s human, but it’s just a developing group of cells that may eventually become a human child.

            Human embryos don’t feel pain. The “hardware” to sense pain doesn’t exist until it’s 5-6 months into development and by then it’s beyond the embryo stage. it’s not a matter of denial, it’s just fact. We’re all quite aware of the abortion process. It’s messy. But it’s often necessary when parents are unprepared or they can’t give that life everything that it needs (schooling, good home, medical attention, etc).

            That consideration between parents proves that they value life more because they want to make sure that their child will succeed in life long after it has been born. That is the true value of life.

            It’s unkind that anyone would never want a couple to be saddled with a burden for which they are not prepared. That serves no one and forcing the mother to give birth would only make things worse.

          • toongoon

            I have determined that people who think nothing of killing the most innocent can convince themselves of anything. No matter what you try to tell them they will create all kinds of justification to give themselves a moral high ground.

          • S. Wolf

            It’s not about the moral high ground, it just doesn’t make sense to see abortion as murder when it can save lives.

          • toongoon

            Thank you for making my point. If you just ignore that somebody dies in every abortion and most abortions are elective or coerced by a boyfriend, husband or some kind of authority over the young mother then you make perfect sense. But you really have to ignore a lot of facts.
            I think you are suffering from common dense

          • S. Wolf

            Wow. Nice way to spin that into female oppression. Your point is that stoping a chemical reaction that results in a living human is murder. I disagree.

          • toongoon

            Take a half hour and watch this film. Watch how that clump of cells tries to avoid the abortionists tools.
            The physician who did the procedure had done about ten thousand abortions and the woman who filmed the procedure was a feminists and pro-abortion, as you claim you are.

            When they edited the film and they watched as the baby tried to protect itself, they were so overcome with emotion that both of them gave up supporting abortion.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gON-8PP6zgQ

          • S. Wolf

            I am neither feminist nor pro-abortion nor would I ever claim to be either of those. What I am only concerns me as far as local customs are concerned. For you, I would be considered as pro-choice. I think that we should make abortion as rare as possible. I also think that the decision and fate of any potential human growing inside of a mother should be made up to the mother. I do not think that all children should be aborted but that the fate of any pregnancy lies in the economic, emotional and health state of the mother. If she decides to have a child, great! If she doesn’t, that’s also good, too.

            It’s manifestly cruel and unfair to ask or otherwise compel a mother to keep a pregnancy to term when she is unable to support that child when it is born. It’s a drain on our economic system to support unwanted children and it’s not fair for her to put her life on hold when she does not wish to do so.

            Our priorities should be on supporting the life currently existing and building a better place for those that decide that children would enhance their lives. It’s largely a disservice to those living to have children that may grow up to be severely at risk for criminal behavior because they could not get the proper education, housing or adequate love from their parents. So many people are unfit to be parents and contraceptives are not always %100 effective. It doesn’t make sense to force them to raise children they don’t want and adoption merely worsens the problem.

            If you’re willing to save all of these aborted lives, then you need to take responsibility for them.

          • toongoon

            I don’t know where you get the idea that adoption worsens the problem, there are many couples who are seeking to adopt children but cost and regulations get in the way. People are adopting from other countries to avoid those problems here.
            You make a good point about unwanted children being a drain on the economy, contraceptives being less than reliable and mothers having to raise children they don’t want. The only answer that you seem ready to accept or even wrap your arms around is to abort their ‘mistakes’.

            There are many other ways to correct these problems;
            The first place to start is in the schools. Schools need to end their practice of encouraging free sex. Teaching children about sex should be a parents job but parents surrendered that responsibility to schools through sex education. When the teachers unions took control of schools they threw out any reference to personal responsibility and abstinence and replaced it with how to put a condom on a cucumber, among other things. They make jokes about having sex with anyone and everyone as they see fit. They discourage children from taking any responsibility for their actions. Who do you think sets these young girls up to get abortions since you made fun of me for mentioning that many of them do not do it by their own choice but are influenced by others? Is abortion provider information provided in their sex education packet for future use knowing that these girls are going to get pregnant?

            Maybe schools should start teaching responsibility and consequences to students instead of solely showing them how to be irresponsible and having the government pay the consequences. I know that abstinence is a bad word to liberals but maybe if they did teach it they could cut down on unwanted pregnancies, not completely, but by a lot.

            One more thing for you to laugh at me about; Many women who have had abortions suffer severe depression and are more susceptible to breast cancer, but I don’t think its funny.

            One final note, Planned Parenthood, who provides most of the abortions, was started by Margaret Sanger, who was a big supporter of eugenics and the genocide of blacks. She is still considered a hero of the left, most notably Hillary Clinton. Abortion will never be, as you say “as rare as possible”. There is too much money to be made on it.

          • S. Wolf

            Putting children up for adoption worsens the problem because it’s a vast unknown. Some children go to good parents, others do not.

            Abstinence doesn’t work. It’s been tried and the statistics aren’t there to support that it is even a remotely good idea. The states that practice abstinence only sex education are the states with the highest teen pregnancy. (http://goo.gl/AdTfgX) (http://goo.gl/Ibfc9T) Contraceptives and education are the best bet. It encourages responsibility because no one wants that kind of burden unless they’re ready for it. I know that doesn’t fit with your world view, which is why you should probably change it because abortion isn’t going away anytime soon.

            I can’t account for all situations. I don’t think that anyone can. Some think that the decision to keep or abort a pregnancy is up to the couple. If they are so inclined to make that decision jointly and amicably then more power to them. But if someone is trying to pressure the mother into making a decision one way or another, then I think that she should be free of negative social or family influence to make that decision.

            I’m sorry if you felt that I made ‘fun of you’ for your perspective. I merely find it ridiculous that you would cast judgment on people without knowing each and every single individual situation and scenario. I realize that I’m human and therefore I am neither capable nor qualified to make any kind of judgment call in anyone’s life. If they want an abortion, then they should get one. If they don’t, that’s fine also. I have a very practical attitude about this.

            Abortion is part of women’s health and that option should always be available because it will invariably save someone’s life.

            A 1990′s study in Denmark showed that there was no relationship between induced abortions and cancer.

            Regarding Margaret Sanger, you are engaging in a genetic logical fallacy. She was a product of her time. I don’t really care that she was a supporter of ideas that we would term as ‘racist’ today. The fact is that the organization named Planned Parenthood provides many more services than just abortions and it supplies needed services for our society today. You may want to do away with it but you would be doing millions of women a disservice by doing so and therefore worsening our country.

      • kacwy

        When a woman gets an abortion it isn’t what you call the child or I mean what you call ‘cells’ just cells anymore. The baby looks like a baby and it has a heartbeat, brain, limbs, etc… I forgot to mention that the baby feels pain and screams when they are ripping it apart during the abortion. The average time a woman gets an abortion is around 12-13 weeks. Have a look at this website and you will see it is a baby. http://pregnancy.about.com/od/fetus/ig/Weekly-Pregnancy-Pictures/

        • S. Wolf

          It doesn’t matter what it looks like. It still doesn’t feel pain until around 5-6 months. It can’t live independently. For all intents and purposes the developing embryo/fetus is still part of the mother.

    • Moviesforlife

      It’s a fetus.

      • WWEL2

        “Fetus” is a Latin term that means “offspring.” The offspring of humans are humans. Young humans are “babies” and “children”. How many pregnant women have you known who refer to the “fetus” in their wombs instead of ‘baby”?

        Abortions are performed after the eighth week, to ensure the capability of removing all of the child. Any part left in the womb will cause a life-threatening infection.

        In the most common type of abortion (D&C), the abortionist reaches a tool into the mother’s womb and kills the innocent, vulnerable child by dismemberment! Yes, the abortionist cuts and tears the child apart and removes the pieces one by one. These children have arms, legs, hands, feet, eyes, ears, noses, mouths, and beating hearts before the abortionists do their evil, horrific work! An assistant checks the pieces of the precious child — arms, legs, head, pieces of the torso — trying to ensure that all of the child is removed.

        The abortion industry is heinous!

      • toongoon

        I hear Chelsea is going to have a fetus. Why would she want to have a glob of tissue?

        • guest

          You guys think you are sooo cute with that one. There is a reason why educated women like Chelsea rarely announce their pregnancy in the first trimester(when most abortions are performed) and that is because things are just to touch and go at that point, and so many pregnancies end all on their own, before anything even close to a viable baby ever exists. . She is well beyond that point and her expectation is that she will have a healthy baby.

          You are probably one of those people who could care less if live children go without healthcare or lunch, or become ill or die due to global climate change but would ban morning after pills and IVF. Can you even tell the difference between a chicken and a fertilized egg? I realize it is confusing because the fertilized egg already has all the DNA it needs to become a chicken and all.

          • toongoon

            First, It must absolutely suck to have your words used against you.
            Second, there are ways to take care of children without killing them. Don’t tell me liberals care about children when schools are encouraging children to have irresponsible sex and when they make a ‘mistake’ they will also supply the fix of abortion.
            What you feel isn’t love or compassion.

          • Mary A. Jones

            The egg that comes
            from a hen is not fertile until it is fertilized by a rooster.

          • guest

            Huh?

          • guest

            First of all I was specifically referring to a “fertilized egg” which is still an egg not a chicken.

            But I am really hoping that you are not saying that the egg is fertilized AFTER it is laid?

  • Anna MacIntosh

    I’m sorry but after reading the following article about this woman, I am even more sick. She delusional, emotionally detached, narcissistic. She almost seems proud to admit that she considers herself a “sex educator” and admittedly wasn’t using any birth control. I strongly feel she intentionally got pregnant just to do this, and get attention and notoriety and get her name out there. OMG she describes the process of having her fetus killed like ‘giving birth.’ Claims she was only 2-3 wks pregnant. I don’t believe that. She claims also that she’d had a sonogam (ultrasound). A 2-3 wk fetus wouldn’t be visible yet in a sonogram, so she’s lying. And who even has a sonogram in early pregnancy if they have no intention of continuing with a pregnancy? Frankly the more I think about it, the more I think this is all made up and staged. She also claims sh had an IUD implanted following the abortion. No doctor would ever insert an IUD into a cervix that had just had a fetus removed from it. All lies, IMO, orchestrated with her coworkers to endorse and glorify abortion and make more money.

    • Greta J Tabbert Cooper

      I have a healthcare background and I must agree with everything in this comment, IUD would never be placed immediately post abortion. This whole thing seems staged to me. I cannot come up with strong enough language to describe my reaction so I won’t even try.

  • Richard Smit

    Liberal welfare recipients have really nothing better to do than hating on Bristol Palin all day!

    • Moviesforlife

      Bristol is a hater like her mommy.

      • toongoon

        Bristol isn’t a hater, nor is her mother.
        But best of all, she isn’t a murderer!
        Now look at your comment, full of hate, get the picture?

        • Guest

          Where do you live? Check Sarah’s speeches, she hates the president, the First Lady, Hilary Clinton, Levi Johnston, etc.

          • toongoon

            Sarah never said that, its not hate.
            But its obvious you hate Sarah because what you perceive her to be.
            Again, look at yourself.

          • Moviesforlife

            Nobody wishes to be an idiot like her.

          • toongoon

            Its really a shame you let the media dictate who you should love and hate. Never allowed to think for yourself. Approving the deaths of innocents while defending those responsible for the murders, even lifting them to the point of hero. What a miserable existence. I feel sorry for you and your fellow captives on the democrat plantation.

          • Moviesforlife

            At least I don’t worship bigots like Phil Robertson.

          • Caleb Couch

            Again movies4life, you haven’t come up with anything on your own. I assume since you are calling someone a big got that you know them personally? Yeah I didn’t think so. And Palin hates anyone is a pretty ignorant (typical liberal) comment. She has the highest approval rating in the nation for governors. You are a typical liberal, bully, ignorant, and not able to think for yourself. Get off mainstream media and do some research with truly open mind that liberals like to claim. It’s better to keep your mouth closed and make people think you’re a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

          • Rob Harrison

            say what? Phil Robertson a bigot? What scares you about the bible my friend? the fact that it tells us HOW to live and such? and that was what phil posted?in ref to him not seeing blacks mistreated, it IS possible..Not all blacks EVERYWHER were being mistreated at theme time. FYI, folks that like DD will be the first to tell you that they dont worship anyone on dd, that would be wrong.. The Robertsons arnt God..they live the way we all need to..to ce THE God number #1 in our life and to follow what the bible says..Please stop your hatig attitude, it is rather unbecoming.. BTW, abortion IS kiling a LIVING being…because if it wasnt how can they charge someone with two murders when a pregnant woman is shot and killed along with her baby?

          • Guest

            You need to study what Phil Robertson believes before you spew your hate. He is not a bigot far from it! It is so sad the way people think they know how a person is and it is obvious they have not looked up the facts at all! Just repeating what the liberal media tells them to think!

  • S. Wolf

    The anti-abortion side argues that abortion is the same thing as murder, and it’s well-settled that the state has an interest in preventing murder. The underlying belief is likely to be rooted in religion, but when asked if there’s any reason to ban abortion other than the bible, there are answers.

    As a strictly practical matter, abortion happens whether or not you ban it. That’s the same result you always get when you legislate hotly-contested morality. You can ban things that are generally agreed-upon as bad – murder, rape, certain kinds of theft. History has a lot to say about banning things when a substantial percentage of the population sees no wrong in them. Prohibition failed and I kinda think the drug war is on its last legs.

    So, again as a practical matter, I don’t like anti-abortion laws. I could argue the legal minutiae or ethics of it, but those are theory and belief. No one is ever argued away from those positions, so debate is kinda pointless. I don’t like them, and not for religious or technical or legal bickering reasons.

    I don’t like them because women die unnecessarily in places where they’re enacted.

    • Cow Cookie

      Morality exists independent of religious belief. Morality is, for all practical matters, a matter of conscience between what is right and wrong. Ethics are matters of obligation. I am ethically obligated to treat every person whom I meet as I would want to be treated, but I have no moral reason to participate, condone, or approve of their immoral activity.

      That is why the pro-abortion camp labels the abortion as “pro-choice” and the pro-life camp labels abortion as “pro-life”

      One views potential human life as something that must be protected. The other does not recognize the potential for life, only the immediate self-gratifying choice for convenience..

      For this reason, one might also state that gay behavior is immoral, because it’s based on self-gratification at the expense of civil society, since the act of gay sex is meaningless. It has no capacity to produce a new generation. Gay people are thus parasites of the human species..

      Thus, if you believe that choosing to abort a human baby “on demand” is a valid position and is a moral choice,, then I postulate that aborting babies with a propensity of being gay is equally valid. Gay babies have no value in the propagation of the species and should be eliminated.

      Call me immoral for that statement, and you’re ability to discern the difference between what is human life and is not human life when making a moral judgement in favor of someone having an abortion is null and void.

      Either all human life has value, or no human life has value. You need to make a choice. Welcome to the pro-life movement.

      • S. Wolf

        You’ve formulated an interesting strawman argument.

        Pro-choice only concerns itself with one thing: The choice of the mother to abort her pregnancy. It doesn’t concern itself with socially imposed morality or ethics because the unique situation of the mother and her pregnancy will always outweigh both of those. To say otherwise is to endanger the life of the mother and suggest that the mother doesn’t know what’s best for herself. At the very worst scenario you would be granting greater rights over an unborn corpse than the living. While I suppose that it’s nice to consider the probability of life vs the life of the mother, it is ultimately cruel and unfair. It would result in sacrificing the life today for the uncertain potential of life tomorrow.

        Your comparison is also slanted to favor your views.
        The difference between the two concepts is that people that subscribe to being “pro-choice” will consider the far reaching societal implications of the potential of human life. The potential is irrelevant because a child can usually be created later. What matters here is timing and convenience. If a child is brought into this world by unprepared parents and were denied the option to abort it then that child may grow to be at risk. If parents abort the pregnancy and then wait to have one later when they are more prepared, then that child has a better chance at a much more complete and full life.

        The “pro-life” camp only concerns itself with the fetus and pregnancy but gives no thought to the conditions of that life once it is brought into the world. It fails to make a distinction between a human life and a life that has yet to be. The potential of a human life does not mean that it will become one. A simple biology lesson on a women’s reproductive system will yield that even a woman’s body will reject fully fertilized eggs. I see no effort to save those lives. I also see no effort for pro-life women to save aborted fetuses by having them transplanted into their uterus’. If they are of the stance that all human life is protected then they need to start saving lives and taking responsibility for them. I find being ‘pro-life’ to be an intellectually dishonest stance to take in this debate because it does not consider the implications of more human lives – only that it wants more human life to come in to the world. It also overreaches in the realm of rights. You don’t have the right to determine the pregnancy that is not yours.

        All human life has some value and it would be difficult to value the lack of something so significant. But the life that is currently alive today should carry more weight than the potential of life tomorrow.

        • Cow Cookie

          We agree that the pro-choice position only concerns itself with one thing, the choice of the “mother” (your word) to abort her pregnancy. It is, as such, a self-obsessed and narcissistic decision that is only required because of the preceding immoral act. You use of the term “mother” to describe her condition, but this term seems inappropriate under your scenario, since she seeks to avoid this label at the expense of the life of her baby. Infanticide is not suicide.

          The choice in question is not the absolution of a mother’s responsibility or ability to produce offspring, but the nature and moral acceptance of the preceding immoral act – she chose to engage in a sexual act and is unwilling to deal with the consequences of that act. In your scenario, abortion is merely a means of birth control, where I view abortion as the termination of a human life without cause or reason. That is not to say that one must “choose” between the life of an unborn baby and a mother. The greatest credo of medicine allows for the termination of a pregnancy. I argue that it is immoral to do so, however, for mere convenience. (please note: morality is a matter of conscience, not religion) Bristol Palin recognized this, yet many are unable to recognize their moral quandary even when a mirror is placed in front of their face.

          Despite your claim, the “pro-life” do indeed consider the far reaching societal implications of abortion. The circumstance of producing a human baby when it is not wanted is immoral. You make the distinction after the fact, I make the distinction before the fact. People who engage in sexual relations merely for the purpose of self-gratification are selfish and thoughtless. Their immoral choice is compounded by a second immoral choice, using abortion as a “get out of jail” card. Abortion “on demand” encourages immorality, sexual depravity and disease, leads to dependency issues, poverty, abuse, and death. There are also medical consequences of having an abortion. If the “get of out jail” card were not available on demand, then people would be less likely to engage in the preceding immoral choice. Facing the consequence of such a bad decision would force individuals (men and women) to examine their behavior. People will adjust their behavior because they could not avoid the consequence, and will thus make an alternative moral choice. The intent is to help individuals make a better choice, not absolve them of the responsibility for making a bad choice. Again, you view abortion as a method of birth control. I do not.

          As for the aspersions regarding the willingness of a pro-life woman to assume the responsibility of an aborted fetus, I believe that there is a medical answer. One can hardly reassemble the body parts of an aborted baby after it has been dismembered, decapitated, and vacuumed out of the womb. That is the true nature of abortion. The baby is killed and then removed. Technology does exist for the harvesting of pre-formed fetal tissue, but to do so, again, requires the destruction of the proto fetus itself. I do know many infertile women who would accept an unborn fetus as their own if it were possible to transplant a baby from one womb to another. The only way currently possible, however, would result in the permanent infertility of the women having the unwanted pregnancy, as this would require uterus transplantation.

          Further, I contend that I not only have a right to determine the pregnancy of another not my own, but an ethical obligation as well, as I am also of the opinion that one has an ethical duty to intervene in the defense of another person about to be killed. How do we reconcile laws that apply the crime of murder for unborn babies with a point of view that it’s okay to terminate a baby in the third trimester for mere convenience? I restate my original view – human life must have value, , or no human life has value. Given that we both agree that human life has value, it appears that we merely disagree at which point it applies. You do not consider abortion the taking of human life. I do.

          That’s why the vast majority of Americans believe that abortion in the third trimester is the immoral taking of a life. A similar majority believe that abortion should be dependent upon viability.

          Perhaps, however, we should go where your logic dictates. Let us accept your premise, that a fetus is not a life, and that there is no right to determine pregnancy status since no life question is involved. We should thus rid ourselves of any subjective and irrational notion that humans have a “right” to reproduce. They do not. The consequences of an unwanted or ill-timed pregnancy are too costly for society to consider (as you stated above in your criticism of the pro-life position), and likewise, the genetic coupling of two people likely to produce defective offspring also has a social interest. If it is okay to allow for the termination of a pregnancy due to social costs to a “mother”, then it is also in the interest of society to encourage couples to produce better offspring as well. This is the path of abortion advocates and their misguided sycophants. Margaret Sanger and the American Society of Genetic Progress would be as proud of us as they were the German National Socialist, when they made the same pitch for genetic manipulation of breeding pairs, allowing for the termination of unwanted undesirable babies.

          I am an advocate for the natural right of a baby to live, whether they be gay, black, or have downs-syndrome. You are an advocate for the natural right of a parent to terminate an unwanted pregnancy because of exigent forces. If I have no right to intervene to determine the status of pregnancy of another not my own, then likewise you have no right to determine the status of the pregnancy of another not your own when the choice is made because a baby has a gay gene and not because of bad timing or social convenience. You’ve made the rule, I’m simply applying it.

          I assert that sex without consequence is a fallacy. We do not agree because we have a mutual disgust for our moral points of view. You, because I have one, and I, because you have none.

          • S. Wolf

            You’re right, “Pregnant person” or “prospective mother” is a much better descriptor if you are so willing to debate semantics. Infanticide is not suicide because we are not talking about infants or children and they are not killing themselves. We are talking about embryos and fetuses and in this context embryocide and feticide is not homicide. In either state, the life is still part of the mother and there can be little differentiation until they are separated. I agree that abortion is not birth control. Birth control is birth control, in that it stops or prevents the pregnancy from occurring. Abortion is applicable to terminating the life generating chemical process that has started in the uterus. They’re very different. It helps to understand that a fetus or embryo is not a life unto itself. It requires support from the mother to become its own separate life. If a mother decides not to have a child, then her right as a mother should supersede the right of an uncertain life with an uncertain outcome.

            The moral stance doesn’t work here because morals are largely subjective and therefore a product of the culture rather than that of conscience. If a significant portion of people in a culture don’t see a problem with abortion, then it falls out of the scope of morality (meaning that it is neither good nor bad). It doesn’t make much sense to accuse a group of people of having no morals when the only difference is that they have a different perspective on an issue where they think that your version of morals don’t apply.

            Your view of sex seems quite on par with outdated victorian virtues. Our species has been having sex for self-gratification since we first evolved or else we would have no inclination to engage in sex. This is not new behavior. People are going to have sex regardless of what kind of moral code you try to instill in society. Accidents will happen but not all people that have accidents are irresponsible and it’s not immoral to try to correct an accident. The consequences of fixing such an accident should not encourage irrational judgement from people like you. It’s not ever your place to judge how people find their way into an abortion clinic and you haven’t really provided any kind of proof that abortion “encourages immorality, sexual depravity and disease, leads to dependency issues, poverty, abuse, and death”. Most people get one and go about their lives and it’s not really your place to deny them access to that or otherwise control them through your ‘ethical duty’.

            You cannot legislate or otherwise impose your sense of morality upon another individual. While I might respect your stance to protect life (in a realistic sense), you ultimately have no rights to interfere with how others make a choice involving an abortion. Your “ethical duty” is ultimately an over reach of your natural rights and they do not exist beyond your own personage.

            You’re changing the conditions of the “logic” to an extreme perspective that is your antithesis of which I do not support. I’m not suggesting that we weed and breed out undesirable traits and I’m not saying that no one has a right to have a child. I’m simply advocating that they have the right to not have one – meaning that no one should ever be forced to bring a life into this world and be forced to claim responsibility for it if they don’t want it. If by “defective offspring” you mean that a child would be born without a vital organ such as a spine or parts of the central nervous system, then it probably should be aborted because it probably won’t have much of a life to speak of. Would you truly want that couple to endure such pain and horror?

            Regarding Margaret Sanger, she created the foundations known today as Planned Parenthood. The fact is that the organization named Planned Parenthood provides many more services than just abortions and it supplies needed services for our society today.

            We do not agree because we have different moral perspectives. If there is disgust from my end, it is that I do not believe that any stance of morality can serve as a means to ignore or circumvent the rights of other people. I’m never going to unseat your perspective concerning morality and I truly have no wish to do so. This is why it’s pointless to debate. It will simply take time for old ideas of morality to die out. This change in thinking is inevitable. It is merely a matter of time.

  • Buck 0fama

    If anybody knows about wanting an audience, it’s BRISTOL! LOL!!

  • seriesaddicted

    Good for you Bristol , keep up your good work..!
    And for you PALIN haters, I guess you just can’t fix STUPID. And you can’t fix jealously .
    The Palins are a very GOOD Alaskan family and you can’t accept a family that has good values,
    When your so full of hate, that you think killing a little defenseless baby is something to brag about.
    That is beyond evil…!

  • Richard

    “I’ve noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.”

    ― Ronald Reagan

  • James Fadder

    what a sick lost woman….this bristol palin is.

  • Reyoo

    She calls it a life, a baby. She doesn’t say it’s tissue or a fetus. So she knew she took a life, killed a baby. Of course a month and a half later she hasn’t fully processed this. But that was a unique life, a unique baby that will never exist again. We call her attitude… denial… she was irresponsible and continued to be irresponsible. In the real world, this is called being selfish.


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