Calling The Conservative Catholic’s Bluff On Gay Suffering

Michael Voris, who explicitly and unapologetically argued that our democracy should be replaced by a benevolent dictatorship in the form of a Catholic theocracy, recently made another video, advancing a familiar line of reasoning from conservative Catholic theology that homosexuals have been specially chosen by God for their suffering and that they can be a witness for Christ in such suffering:

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Andrew Sullivan precisely exposes the hypocrisies which reveal the insincerity of such arguments:

If, through their unique life-long suffering, they are to bring others to Christ, and if there is nothing wrong per se about homosexual orientation, then why not have the closet door burst open – especially among the clergy?

More to the point, why not celebrate and honor openly gay celibate priests or openly gay celibate lay people, whose embrace of the cross of suffering allegedly marks them as examples that will bring so many other souls to Christ, as this preacher argues? Why not celebrate gay saints, such as Cardinal Newman, rather than insist, as the current Pope does, that such a statement is offensive or irrelevant. Why not hold up a man like Gerard Manley Hopkins as emblematic of homosexual gay holiness – made all the more holy because he was gay?

And how, for that matter, can this alleged love of homosexuals as somehow spiritually superior to most straight people because of the intensity of their isolated suffering be reconciled with such terms as “intrinsically disordered” toward an “objective evil,” to use the words of the current pontiff, in order to describe gay people? Or to argue that they are so sick they cannot and should not be admitted to seminaries?

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  • Kenton

    Rejection of theological absurdities including those edicts against homosexuality is the best and most complete way to ensure that there is no “suffering” in regards to BEING homosexual. It is the unfounded beliefs that there is something wrong with homosexuality which causes the problems, not homosexuality itself. Eliminate the beliefs and the problem is solved.

  • Ben Lathrop

    I agree with Andrew Sullivan–though perhaps more with his actual argument than with his intent. The Catholic church — and the evangelical community — should celebrate and honor gay people who have chosen celibacy because of spiritual conviction. Those in that position would argue that homosexual sex, not a homosexual orientation, is the sin — and that is a reasonable position for those committed to Scripture as God’s word.

  • Cheryl Rofer

    But, but, but…!

    If the Catholic Church celebrated them, they wouldn’t suffer, and so they wouldn’t have that great opportunity to save their and others’ souls.

  • Kenton


    Oh not really. The Catholic Church can guilt them into being celibate all their lives and still celebrate them. For the church it’s called having your cake and eating it while you deny someone else their piece. It’s a win/win situation for the church but a lose/lose situation for those being guilted into an unnatural denial of their right to express their sexuality in a manner that should be ABSOLUTELY NONE OF THE CHURCHES BUSINESS.