Quote for the Day

“One judges a tree by its fruits; one judges the mystic, gnostic, mage and philosopher by their faith, hope and charity, i.e. by their progress in purification, illumination, and union.”

  • http://blackdragon5.livejournal.com/ blackdragon5

    Why does a tree or a mystic have to be judged and who is the judge?

    • http://anamchara.com/ Carl McColman

      Why not? and, anyone.

      • http://blackdragon5.livejournal.com/ blackdragon5

        To me judgment has a negative connotation. Maybe that isn’t how it was meant.

        • Anonymous

          I understand how it can have such a connotation. It doesn’t carry that much of a charge for me. I see “judging a tree by the fruit it bears” as no more value-based than “Is this an apple or a pear?” As for judging a mystic, to me that can mean “Is this person really somebody I want to learn from?” It’s not judgment in the “good or bad” sense, but judgment in the “knowing what’s on the inside” sense.

  • http://seraphimsigrist.livejournal.com/ seraphimsigrist

    the author is Valentin Tomberg c1900-1970
    Estonian I believe, lived in England
    during the War from about 1940 Catholic
    after this book, there is also ‘Covenant
    of the Heart.’

    • http://anamchara.com/ Carl McColman

      Right you are. I cite him as the “Unknown Author” when quoting Meditations on the Tarot since that is how Tomberg himself chose to be identifed in relation to that book.

      • http://seraphimsigrist.livejournal.com/ seraphimsigrist

        well it is the preference of many tomberg
        people but I do not think it is at this point
        necessary , in some it is carried to a point
        of affectation…(not in you I dont mean) but
        they go on with the unknown thing you know
        tip of the yod etc and the whole martinist
        inconnu business…it is a little like insisting
        to call Master Anthelm Nizier Philipe
        “the unknown” at this stage of the game, as
        some of Sedir’s circles , les amites spirituelles
        is it my french and my memory slips, affect to
        do…well but it is fair to do, but this is my
        thought on it only.
        +Seraphim

        • http://anamchara.com/ Carl McColman

          Agreed. I would say it’s not necessary to keep Tomberg’s identity a “secret,” nor is it necessary to identify him. For me, it’s just observing a convention; yes, maybe that’s an affectation, but hopefully a harmless one. I’m currently teaching a class on Meditations on the Tarot, and I said the first night of the class, “The author’s real name is Valentin Tomberg, and the convention among many of his students and critics is to call him the “Unknown Author.’ I follow the convention, but hopefully not neurotically.”

          Changing the subject slightly: have you read Covenant of the Heart? I have not yet. If you have, what are your thoughts on it?

          • http://seraphimsigrist.livejournal.com/ seraphimsigrist

            Yes…and loaned it out and never got it
            back and never ordered it again. perhaps
            I ought…it is a collection of things
            and a bit out of the desk drawer you know,
            not a single coherant thing like meditations
            (and for me especially the first half or
            so of that) the Lazarus is maybe the center
            piece of Covenant…I have also read his earlier
            anthroposophical period commentaries on scripture
            (Revelation and …and what, I left them behind
            the Gospels, John likely enough) it is a little
            like examining a substructure…it is full
            of the half mad obssessive detail of the
            Steiner people (think of the doctor as Goethe
            with elevator not reaching top floor) and it
            makes one wonder how much of this remains,
            how much of the crack-pot, in Meditations?
            I should say more than people like von Balthasar
            (who of course also had his own special depths–
            relation to Adrienne Speyer etc) might have
            realized, but less than the occultists who study
            it now suppose…and they certainly err in
            discounting his Catholic faith, in thinking his
            “Pope” is not the one in Rome etc I am rambling
            forgive me.
            I do not think covenant of the heart is essential
            interesting he died on Majorca …place
            of Raimundo Lull…
            these, yours fraternally as we say in the trade
            +Seraphim

  • http://blackdragon5.livejournal.com/ blackdragon5

    What you are saying is probably closer to how it was meant. I’ve been reading a book called Beyond Fear by Don Miguel Ruiz who is a nagual or shaman in the Toltec tradition. He talks about how a lot of our problems are caused by a Judge who lives inside us and tells us we aren’t good enough. That was the first thing I thought of when I read your quote but it probably had a toatlly different meaning.

    • http://anamchara.com/ Carl McColman

      Well, I know all about the “you’re-not-good-enough” Judge. And that’s one Judge I can do without!


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