Quote for the Day

In 2003, 80 percent of the top buyers of US weapons (twenty of the twenty-five top clients) were countries that our own State Department labeled undemocratic or countries known for their failure to uphold human rights, such as Egypt and Saudi Arabia. In 1999, the US weapons industry supplied arms to 92 percent of the conflicts in process anywhere on the planet, and in a stroke of elegant fairness, often suplied both sides in conflicts. Perhaps most shocking of all: between 1998 and 2001, the United States, Great Britain, and France earned more income from selling weapons to developing countries than they gave those developing countries in aid.

— Brian McLaren, Everything Must Change:
Jesus, Global Crises, and a Revolution of Hope

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About Carl McColman

Author of Befriending Silence, The Big Book of Christian Mysticism, Answering the Contemplative Call, and other books. Retreat leader. Speaker. Professed Lay Cistercian.

  • zoecarnate

    Lovely, isn’t it?

    BTW, are you just now reading EMC? Great book.

  • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/carlmccolman/ Carl McColman

    Now, Mike, you know my reading list is at least 15 years long! So I rarely read a book within two years of publication… and only when I have a compelling reason to do so (as in this case, catching up on my McLaren — not to mention Rohr and Tickle — in preparation for the Emergent Church conference next month).

  • Liz


    Thanks for sharing this, Carl. I’ve read McLaren’s Generous Orthodoxy and liked it very much.

    BTW, I have to say, I ordered Soularize…the 2007 sessions. As I’ve said before, I’ve listened to Rohr for years and he’s as good as ever. But I’m really enjoying N.T. Wright. Am I alone in thinking this man is amazingly intelligent (mostly rhetorical question)? His teachings are so dense with information and thoughtful reflections that I find myself on overload within just a few minutes.

  • zoecarnate

    But of course! How could I forget your massive/deliberate reading habits? :)

  • zoecarnate

    Oh, and Liz – yeah, I loved hearing Wright at Soularize (I’m one of those lucky enough to have been there!) I’d love to hear what you think of Rita Brock’s messages too…they were one of the highlights of the event for me, & what her book Saving Paradise is based on.

  • Liz


    I haven’t had a chance to listen to most of it. I’ll let you know.

    How do you get invited to such a wonderful event? What an amazing gathering.

  • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/carlmccolman/ Carl McColman


    Liz, if you knew Mike (AKA Zoecarnate) in person, the question is, how could you NOT get invited to Soularize?!

    Mike pestered me for the better part of a year to go to that conference.

    Sadly, I had a teaching conflict that weekend, otherwise I would have loved to have been there. Certainly listening to the audio makes me keenly aware, like you, of what I missed out on.

    Mike, will there be a Soularize 2009? I suppose the Emerging Church Conference that Richard Rohr is putting on could be thought of as a “mini-Soularize”…

  • Liz

    So, Carl, you’re the one we should pester in order to get invited to the next?

    My husband was watching some of the clips with me and he said, “That’s the conference we should have gone to.” For some reason I was under the impression that it was invitation only and only a select few were invited.

    We haven’t been very good at conference going lately. My husband is going to grad school part-time and both my children are in college full-time. Tuition tends to eat up everyone’s $$$ and homework tends to eat up everyone’s time.

    I will be excited to hear about the Emerging Church conference. I’m sure there will be dvds of that as well. Rohr’s group is really good about getting those out.

    • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/carlmccolman/ Carl McColman

      I don’t know when the next Soularize will be (if you visit the Soularize website, all you’ll find there is a pitch for the “Soularize in a Box” sets), but to the best of my knowledge it’s an open event. It’s put on by Spencer Burke, who is the head honcho at The Ooze. So if you hang out there, you’ll probably find out about it as soon as I will. Meanwhile, yes, the March conference should be wonderful; stay tuned, I’m sure I’ll be blogging about it.

  • Liz

    Okay, I’ve marked The Ooze to my favorites.

    Wow, the more I hear about the New Mexico conference, the more I regret we can’t make it. But you know how there are times when all the signs are pointing in the opposite direction of what you want? This is one of them.

    I’ll be counting on your blogging. LOL.

  • zoecarnate

    Yeah, conferences in general are much tougher to afford this year – I hear you! Soularize, when it happens, is always totally open. Only 100 folks trekked out to the Bahamas in ’07, so it felt kinda exclusive and invite-only. That’s why I’m so glad Soularize in a Box was created, to harness it for many others to enjoy.

    There *might* be another Soularize fall this year, but we don’t want to be an economic burden to anyone, including ourselves. Stay tuned. :)

  • Liz

    Fr. Rohr has been experimenting with live webcasts of some of his presentations. It cuts down on the environmental impact of everyone coming to one place. It’s also significantly less expensive.

    I know it would cut down on the fellowship/networking that goes with attending a conference, but it sure would be cool if that technology was used for this purpose more often.