How Accountability Partners Can Help Us Overcome Addictions

Even after the new birth, believers still struggle against the flesh and fall into sin, but how can we help or be helped by accountability partners in overcoming addictions?

Accountable to God

Before anyone is saved, they come to the realization that they are sinners who have the wrath of God abiding on them (John 3:36b), and until they repent and place their trust in Christ, they’re accountable to God for our sins. Thankfully, the Spirit of God quickens the sinner to see their need for the Savior, and so they run to the cross, and put their trust in Jesus Christ. The wrath that was due upon them was now placed on Christ and our sins are atoned for, however our sinful nature is not totally destroyed yet. And we cannot possibly overcome any addiction without the help of the Spirit of God. Jesus said we can do nothing without Him (John 15:5), and nothing is not a little something. It is only through Christ that we can do anything, but only because He will strengthen us (Phil 4:13). That means we can do “anything” (within the will of God), and that includes overcoming an addiction. That is always God’s will, so to make sure Paul covers everything, He says we can do “anything,” and anything includes those powerfully addictive strongholds, but it can be done only “through Christ.” There is good news for us though. The Apostle Paul shows us that God is working in His children, writing, “it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure” (Phil 2:13). It’s not just you working on “you,” but God working “in you” to do His “will and to work for his good pleasure.” Thankfully, it’s not a solo effort, but we also need our brothers and sisters. We need human accountability partners. Paul wrote that it was Christ Who “has given me strength, that he considered me trustworthy, appointing me to his service” (1st Tim 1:12), but why he prayed for the Ephesians; “that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being” (Eph 3:16).

Strength in Weakness

In the ways of the world, victory is determined by strength, but in overcoming sin, God says through Paul, “my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me” (2nd Cor 12:9). That doesn’t mean we’re off the hook and don’t have to strive to avoid sin. Paul wrote, “Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling” (Phil 2:13). Thankfully God is also working in us (Phil 2:13). Our own work join’s with the power of God’s Spirit, and the power of God’s Word, to change us slowly over time. It’s called sanctification and it’s never going to be completely finished this side of the veil. It is only after we recognize the need for God’s power, God’s Word, and God’s Spirit, should we look to God’s people.

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Accountable to one Another

Years of experience and learning the hard way have taught me that one way to overcome a powerful stronghold is to find yourself a trusted, reliable accountability partner. Someone you know well and trust enough to know they won’t gossip about the struggle you’re going through. It should be someone who promises to tell you the truth and to pray for you and rejoice with you when there’s victory over a stronghold. God uses others to come along side of us in our struggle against things that seem impossible break free from. Things like pornography, drugs, gambling, and alcohol. If you want to help your brother or sister who is struggling with a powerful addiction, or you are struggling with one (or more), determine to be or find an accountability partner. An accountability partner should keep in contact with the person every other day, or at least, every few days. And, they should be ready to give an honest account of how the previous days or week went. If you are honest, you might have to tell them how you sinned this week and that you were not faithful to God, however if you (or they) lie about it, that only serves to double their guilt, and now they’ve added to their guilt by lying about it their failure. Here are a few questions for an accountability partner: “Did God give you victory in an unexpected way? What about your thought life: what’s it been like?” Try to go in small measurable amounts of time in overcoming addictions. Make 10 minutes a victory. Rejoice over an hour of being pornography-free. Rejoice that you’ve not taken a drink yet. Every victory begins with small steps, but rejoice that you or someone else is in the struggle trying to “beat this.” That means the Spirit of God is working in that person’s life convicting them of this sin.

Journaling

I suggest keeping a private log or journal and writing down how every day went. Was it a good day? Was it a day where there were some victories but also some defeats? Keep a journal if you’re battling an addiction to pornography, drugs, alcohol, and whatever else it might be. Date these entries so you can look back and see the growth over time. An accountability partner might call and ask, “Which day was the hardest for you? Do you anticipate a battle this week?” Have them read right out of their journal and tell them to be honest. Tell them how did you dealt with similar temptations and sins in your own life? Tell them about some of your own successes and failures. Be transparent. That gives them hope. If we make ourselves out to be some “super saint” then we’re setting an impossible standard, even though Jesus is the true standard. It’s biblical toconfess your sins to one another and pray for one another” (James 5:16). Paul wrote about those who were criticizing him “but when they measure themselves by one another and compare themselves with one another, they are without understanding” (2nd Cor 10:12), so pray for the one you’re helping, and recognize that if it’s not working, they may have to take drastic action, which is just what Jesus taught (Matt 18:8-9). If their addiction is to pornography, get rid of the Internet, or at least put a password-protected filter on it and set it to a “G” rating. By the way, accountability partners must have a good testimony to their life, because how can they be an accountability partner if they’re in bondage to some addiction too, so the accountability partner should ask themselves: “Am I living right?” I have a mentor who is a senior pastor and he loves me enough to tell me the truth, even when it hurts, so if you’re needing help, ask yourself, “Who is it you respect, trust, and think well of?” He or she might be right under your nose.

Conclusion

It does not show a weakness to confess your addiction to a doctor. There is a good chance he or she can help you, but ultimately, it is God Who helps us overcome. We will never completely overcome our sins in this life. We might eliminate some of the sinful things we used to do, but there is no perfect person after conversion. Thankfully, we have the perfection of Christ (2nd Cor 5:21), but it does help to have your brother or sister pulling for you and praying for you. It’s easier when someone’s trying to cheer you on. If you seek to be an accountability partner for someone, remember, you are not responsible for their life; we are responsible for the life we live before them. Want to be an accountability partner for someone? Then be willing to ask, “What’s your prayer life like? How much time do you spend in the Word? Are you isolated in your walk with Christ? How supportive is your family or do they know about your struggle? Have you grown spiritually over the past week or this month? Have you been able to overcome some sins in the past few years?” These questions can show you care and give them hope.

Article by Jack Wellman

Jack Wellman is Pastor of the Mulvane Brethren Church in Mulvane Kansas. Jack is a writer at Christian Quotes and also the Senior Writer at What Christians Want To Know whose mission is to equip, encourage, and energize Christians and to address questions about the believer’s daily walk with God and the Bible. You can follow Jack on Google Plus or check out his book Teaching Children the Gospel available on Amazon.

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  • pud

    There is no evidence of any “god” ever

    Paul was a deranged lunatic murderer who had visions

    Prayer is nothing but talking to made up invisible friends in your head that yields nothing

    There is no such thing as “sin”

    The bible is NOT the word of any “god” it is a story book written by religious ignorant lunatics

  • pud

    There is no evidence of any “god” ever

    Paul was a deranged lunatic murderer who had visions

    Prayer is nothing but talking to made up invisible friends in your head that yields nothing

    There is no such thing as “sin”

    The bible is NOT the word of any “god” it is a story book written by religious ignorant lunatics

  • NathansFather

    Part 2

    Some of my favorite verses of the Bible is this as spoken in the version of with the poetic prose of The King James (see Bible Hub for the Koine Greek Lexicon)
    http://biblehub.com/kjvs/james/5.htm

    “…The Prayer of Faith

    13 Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms. 14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: 15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. 16 Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. *** The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much… *** ”

    “…
    Restoring a Sinner

    19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; 20 Let him know, that *** he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins… *** “

  • NathansFather

    Part 3 – James 5:13-16

    James 5:13-16 English Standard Version (ESV) – Bible Gateway (gear pulldown check all for cross references)
    Press the cross reference on the below link to go to the related Scripture.
    This is no isolated practice and has its origins in the OT to NT before.
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+5%3A13-16&version=ESV

    The Prayer of Faith

    13 Is anyone among you suffering? Let him pray. Is anyone cheerful? Let him (A)sing praise. 14 Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, (B)anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. 15 And the prayer of faith will save the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And (C)if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. 16 Therefore, (D)confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, (E)that you may be healed. (F)The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working.[a]

    Footnotes:
    James 5:16 Or The effective prayer of a righteous person has great power
    Cross references:
    James 5:13 : [Col. 3:16]
    James 5:14 : Mark 6:13; [Mark 16:18]
    James 5:15 : Isa. 33:24; Matt. 9:2; Mark 2:5; Luke 5:20
    James 5:16 : Acts 19:18
    James 5:16 : Heb. 12:13
    James 5:16 : Gen. 18:23-32; 20:17; Num. 11:2; 1 Kgs. 13:6; 17:22; 2 Kgs. 4:33; 19:15-20; 20:2-5; Job 42:8; Prov. 15:29

    [ Part 4]

  • NathansFather

    Part 3 – James 5:13-16

    James 5:13-16 English Standard Version (ESV) – Bible Gateway (gear pulldown check all for cross references)
    Press the cross reference on the below link to go to the related Scripture.
    This is no isolated practice and has its origins in the OT to NT before.
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+5%3A13-16&version=ESV

    The Prayer of Faith

    13 Is anyone among you suffering? Let him pray. Is anyone cheerful? Let him (A)sing praise. 14 Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, (B)anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. 15 And the prayer of faith will save the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And (C)if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. 16 Therefore, (D)confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, (E)that you may be healed. (F)The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working.[a]

    Footnotes:
    James 5:16 Or The effective prayer of a righteous person has great power
    Cross references:
    James 5:13 : [Col. 3:16]
    James 5:14 : Mark 6:13; [Mark 16:18]
    James 5:15 : Isa. 33:24; Matt. 9:2; Mark 2:5; Luke 5:20
    James 5:16 : Acts 19:18
    James 5:16 : Heb. 12:13
    James 5:16 : Gen. 18:23-32; 20:17; Num. 11:2; 1 Kgs. 13:6; 17:22; 2 Kgs. 4:33; 19:15-20; 20:2-5; Job 42:8; Prov. 15:29

    [ Part 4]

  • NathansFather

    Part 4 James 5:19-20 Bible Gateway
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+5&version=ESV

    James 5:19-20 English Standard Version (ESV)
    19 My brothers, (A)if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone (B)brings him back, 20 let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering (C)will save his soul from death and (D)will cover a multitude of sins.

    Cross references:
    James 5:19 : [Matt. 18:15; Gal. 6:1]
    James 5:19 : Ps. 51:13; Dan. 12:3; Mal. 2:6; [Luke 1:16]
    James 5:20 : See Rom. 11:14
    James 5:20 : 1 Pet. 4:8; [Neh. 4:5; Ps. 32:1; 85:2; Prov. 10:12]

    [Part 5, John Gill – conclusion]

  • NathansFather

    Part 4 James 5:19-20 Bible Gateway
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+5&version=ESV

    James 5:19-20 English Standard Version (ESV)
    19 My brothers, (A)if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone (B)brings him back, 20 let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering (C)will save his soul from death and (D)will cover a multitude of sins.

    Cross references:
    James 5:19 : [Matt. 18:15; Gal. 6:1]
    James 5:19 : Ps. 51:13; Dan. 12:3; Mal. 2:6; [Luke 1:16]
    James 5:20 : See Rom. 11:14
    James 5:20 : 1 Pet. 4:8; [Neh. 4:5; Ps. 32:1; 85:2; Prov. 10:12]

    [Part 5, John Gill – conclusion]

  • NathansFather

    Part 5 John Gill Exposition of the Bible James 5 (see verse at a time) James 5:13-16; James 5:19-20
    Gives great deal of detail phrase-by-phrase – [My favorite Bible Commentary even above Matthew Henry’s]
    http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/james-5/

    To learn more: Protestant ** Reformed *** Churches in America – Cumberland Presbyterian falls within this sphere of theology.
    [Our denomination is NOT of the World Council of Churches in the United Nations (most mainline Protestant denomination voting members with contributions from The Roman Catholic Church and Islamists – one world religion.)]

    What About Laying On of Hands? (CPC has a similar procedure).
    http://www.prca.org/resources/publications/cr-news/item/2041-what-about-laying-on-of-hands

    OK Complete Berean Study. I hope this tooling of James 5 will help those needing accountability or wanting to be their partner in prayer and healing.

    • Berean nonsense!

      • NathansFather

        John I can see the writing on the wall can’t you?
        Time to block alas.
        And we were dialoging so well.
        As a wise poster here said to PUD and I say to you. Why do you post here? You are tr0lling an area.
        Go to the atheist religion spew area on Patheos and broadcast your opinions. Just like PUD you ask for proof yet you supply none of your own. Attack mode.
        I will pray for you as I do PUD that that I AM confront you as he did me years ago.
        Dust sandals time.

        • Jack Wellman

          Poor Pud. I guess his only joy is in attacking others.

          • NathansFather

            PUD/D|CK….

            Sick person. Joy? I think not Jack. So sad. Very. What a wasted life!
            “Kill joyers” is accurate here my dearest brother.

            We are taught that satan’s (and his minions) only recourse at this point is to try to kill Jesus inside the followers of The Way. They were defeated at The Cross and unable to kill His Eternal Power. So they go after us who carry Jesus in our hearts. Those of us who can effectively weld The Sword of the Lord.

            We will not capitulate!

            So people like PUD and his growing troop it seems confronting you, others, and I are those “kill joys.” They are wasting their time. But the compulsive demoniacs just cannot seem to shake their inner demons. Something or someone has inhabited their thoughts. What was it in their lives so wasted has brought them to this point?

            I was having a good dialogue with an Aussie named John. He even attended a seminary. Now he rails against Jesus. I asked him what caused him to turn? He never answered and now is in attack mode ala PUDskyism. I can only have pity on lost souls such as this.

            Trying to dialog with them unfortunately will not break through their propensity for this driven evil. We can present them all the proofs logically, scientifically, mathmatically, and through even tangibles found in archaeology yet they refuse to even read those. The human is stiffled by the inhuman forces inside them.

            The only thing we know to help them is ask The Transcendent GOD the Father to confront them as He did us. We pray always in His will and not ours.

          • I do not rail against Jesus, but your manufactured view of Jesus that stems from Fundamentalism. I rail against the violent Jesus. I rail against the Jesus who supports a hideous concept of a god of wrath and judgement whose violence knows no bounds and a god who is is so unlike the lowly Jesus of Nazareth presented in the gospels. I rail against a god whose justice is retributive justice rather than restorative justice.

            I follow a compassionate humanism that treats all persons with dignity and respect but your responses make it difficult for me to apply that to you. You are so Fundamentalist (though you claim not to be a Fundamentalist) and your theology is so horrible and wicked that all it does is create more atheists,

            It was Fundamentalists like you that turned me away. Yet Fundamentalists take no accountability for their actions and words. They are so oblivious to the way of healing mercy and loving kindness that I think that it is they that are lost.

          • You present no proofs logically, scientifically nor mathematically for your perspective. I am not driven by a propensity to evil as you claim. but by compassion, healing -mercy and loving kindness (at least in my best moments). I am not stifled by the inhuman forces inside me, as you allege.

          • NathansFather

            Part 2 PUDs

            Most Satanists, devil worshipers, diabolists, *** Luciferians, *** and
            members of the Church of Satan claim to have roots in LaVeyan Satanism,
            named after Anton LaVey, the author of the Satanic Bible and founder of
            the first Church of Satan. LaVey presumably started the First Church of
            Satan in 1966. As a self-proclaimed authority on everything evil, he
            began giving weekly lectures at a cost of $2.00 per person. And thus the
            Church of Satan was born.

            *** The basic commonality in all the branches of Satanism is a promotion of self. ***
            All forms of Satanism claim that life exists to consume and that selfishness is a virtue.
            *** Some Satanists hold that the only existence they will ever know is here on
            Earth. *** Thus, devil worshippers live for the moment, and their creed is
            gluttony and debauchery.

          • Well, I am not a Satanist. Compassionate humanism is not Satanism. We do not claim that selfishness is a virtue, nor do we live just for the moment. Our creed is not gluttony and debauchery.

          • NathansFather

            Part 3 PUDs

            Satanism pledges its allegiance to Satan, even while some in the Church of Satan believe that *** no God or devil exists. Most in the Church of Satan also believe that there is no redeemer for them or anyone else. Each person is fully responsible for the path of his own life. ***

            Still, they pray to Satan in rituals, asking for his sovereign hand to be manifest in their lives. This kind of thinking reveals the influence of lies and deceptions in their philosophy. Whether Satanists believe in him or not is irrelevant to Satan. *** The end result is the same-their souls are in bondage to him, and, unless God’s grace intervenes, they will experience eternity in hell. *** [Hades awaiting final judgment]

          • NathansFather

            Part 4 PUDs

            => *** In short, Satanism may or may not involve worshiping
            Satan, but it is a conscious effort to NOT worship the one true God.
            Romans 1 gives a clear look into the heart and motives of a Satanist.
            They have “depraved minds to do what ought not to be done. They have
            become filled with every kind of wickedness” (vv 28-29). People who have
            been misled by Satan into this lifestyle have a hard time understanding
            God’s concept of grace and freedom. Instead, they live for themselves,
            by themselves. ***

            Second Peter 2 contains a warning to anyone who
            would follow after Satanism or any other thing rather than God: “These
            men are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest
            darkness is reserved for them. For they mouth empty, boastful words and,
            by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice
            people who are just escaping from those who live in error. They promise
            them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity” (vv.
            17-19).

          • “… the motives of a Satanist. They have “depraved minds to do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness”….

            So we are not Satanists unless you think that compassion, healing-mercy and loving kindness is a form of Satanism. How then would you distinguish between God as love and Satan whom you believe motivates every kind of wickedness. And is showing love, in your view, being form of “every kind of wickedness”? Your god of violence, vengeance, and retributive punishment is hardly distinguishable from the one you call Satan.

  • NathansFather

    Part 5 John Gill Exposition of the Bible James 5 (see verse at a time) James 5:13-16; James 5:19-20
    Gives great deal of detail phrase-by-phrase – [My favorite Bible Commentary even above Matthew Henry’s]
    http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/james-5/

    To learn more: Protestant ** Reformed *** Churches in America – Cumberland Presbyterian falls within this sphere of theology.
    [Our denomination is NOT of the World Council of Churches in the United Nations (most mainline Protestant denomination voting members with contributions from The Roman Catholic Church and Islamists – one world religion.)]

    What About Laying On of Hands? (CPC has a similar procedure).
    http://www.prca.org/resources/publications/cr-news/item/2041-what-about-laying-on-of-hands

    OK Complete Berean Study. I hope this tooling of James 5 will help those needing accountability or wanting to be their partner in prayer and healing.

  • NathansFather

    Part 1 a

    Part 1 James Chapter 5
    Good afternoon Jack! Hope all is well there 🙂

    We have a very small congregation but many elders. Elders make for good accountability partners.
    Just a suggestion.

    If one does a Berean inquiry into James 5 the gift of laying on of the
    Hands still is valid. It is no fundamentalism, pentecostal mumbo jumbo
    but a Scriptural practice. I know your church practices this also Jack.

    For instance my husband was recently confirmed an elder in our Cumberland
    Presbyterian Church (not to be confused with the mainline Presbyterian
    Church).
    The past and present elders were called to the steps of the altar to pray for him in his new eldership duties. Joy!

    • I wouldn’t trust any elder as an accountability partner. You might find that whatever you have confided is known by all in the church as the gossip mongers spread what they consider is “good news”.

  • NathansFather

    Part 1 a

    Part 1 James Chapter 5
    Good afternoon Jack! Hope all is well there 🙂

    We have a very small congregation but many elders. Elders make for good accountability partners.
    Just a suggestion.

    If one does a Berean inquiry into James 5 the gift of laying on of the
    Hands still is valid. It is no fundamentalism, pentecostal mumbo jumbo
    but a Scriptural practice. I know your church practices this also Jack.

    For instance my husband was recently confirmed an elder in our Cumberland
    Presbyterian Church (not to be confused with the mainline Presbyterian
    Church).
    The past and present elders were called to the steps of the altar to pray for him in his new eldership duties. Joy!

  • NathansFather

    Part 1b

    I have hands laid on me and can say I felt an electrical charge (for want of a better description) as an elder massaged my spinal column. It was NOT my imagination either. My tears of upset changed to joy and a comfort not describable by human means.

    I really believe in anointing those who request it. Best done by your Pastor in the sign of the cross on your forehead.
    There is no “magic” in the practice but the use of the oil of Christians can be a powerful healing force. What oil?
    The pure virgin olive oil of the people who follow the Way, Truth, and Life.

    I will do a Berean research project for us here. 🙂 Bear with me people,
    it will have to be multipart because there is a limit on the comments
    characters in each frame.

    [See Part 2]

    • pud

      You are psychotic

    • Electrical charge? Purely human. Hypnotists can do the same thing. This is not an anointing from any god. In fact, many Pentecostal pastors have visited hypnotists to learn their techniques.

  • NathansFather

    Part 1b

    I have hands laid on me and can say I felt an electrical charge (for want of a better description) as an elder massaged my spinal column. It was NOT my imagination either. My tears of upset changed to joy and a comfort not describable by human means.

    I really believe in anointing those who request it. Best done by your Pastor in the sign of the cross on your forehead.
    There is no “magic” in the practice but the use of the oil of Christians can be a powerful healing force. What oil?
    The pure virgin olive oil of the people who follow the Way, Truth, and Life.

    I will do a Berean research project for us here. 🙂 Bear with me people,
    it will have to be multipart because there is a limit on the comments
    characters in each frame.

    [See Part 2]

  • NathansFather

    Here’s Jack’s Related article on Elders. Elders can be terrific go to people with difficult problems.
    They are good listeners and are equipt to point you to other helpful organizations or people they know who have had similar problems.
    Here is a description of the higher standard expected of an elder over congregational members.
    This is a solemn and privacy safe service.

    ** Traits to Look for When Selecting a Church Elder ***
    by Pastor Jack Wellman here on Patheos
    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/christiancrier/2017/09/20/7-traits-to-look-for-when-selecting-a-church-elder/

  • NathansFather

    Here’s Jack’s Related article on Elders. Elders can be terrific go to people with difficult problems.
    They are good listeners and are equipt to point you to other helpful organizations or people they know who have had similar problems.
    Here is a description of the higher standard expected of an elder over congregational members.
    This is a solemn and privacy safe service.

    ** Traits to Look for When Selecting a Church Elder ***
    by Pastor Jack Wellman here on Patheos
    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/christiancrier/2017/09/20/7-traits-to-look-for-when-selecting-a-church-elder/

  • NathansFather

    The PUD Manifesto
    ————————–

    Source: The Evangelical Pulpit: Christ is Truth, and we pursue Him.
    About http://www.patheos.com/blogs/evangelicalpulpit/about/#JZyWMTxu2efEzRA2.99
    Is Stephen Paddock in Hell?
    October 6, 2017 by Guest Contributor
    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/evangelicalpulpit/2017/10/stephen-paddock-hell

    PUD wants to kill and have all Christians disappear.
    Sounds like another mass murderer in the making!
    Do not answer this horrible entity. You only feed ITs viciousness.
    Sounds as if he/she/it will snap at any moment.
    IT really needs to be turned over to the authorities.
    There are laws against these sorts of murderous threats.
    Even its moniker suggests what kind of sick being IT is.
    The meaning of PUD
    The on line slang dictionary
    http://onlineslangdictionary.com/meaning-definition-of/pud
    The Free Medical Dictionary
    http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/PUD

    pud Karla Marie Robinett • 2 days ago
    “ … Sure…just as soon as you deranged lunatics learn to keep your insane cult to yourself, disappear into the dustbin of history like all the other “god” cults have and you stop lying to children. Until that day comes I will never be silent. You are my enemies and I wish to see you vanquished and vanished …”

    • Pud wants all Christians to disappear. He has never said that he wants to murder them. He wants belief in any kind of God to disappear into the dustbin of history. He is not issuing murderous threats. He wants rational thought and empirical evidence to replace belief in religious dogma. He wants to exterminate the Christian faith through rational argumentation and scientific evidence, not by terminating the lives of Christians. At least, this is how I read him

      • NathansFather

        John. Honestly I take IT literally. You should too. This complete hatred. Shirley now you can see this? Do you really want to side with this HATE FILLED entity? Do you too want Jack, Monty, and I to disappear? Really? We are taking time to help you if you will let us. We will rejoice with you and cry with you. Please come home!

        • pud

          Siding with the rational instead of the psychotic. You are deranged, unhinged…in need of medical intervention

        • Where did Pud ever say that Christians ought to be murdered? I read the article on Patheos re” Is Stephen Paddock in hell?” I saw Pud’a comments but I didn’t see anything that you allege about murderous threats, even if you take him literally? Can you please quote the passage to which you are referring?

      • pud

        You read me exactly right friend. The truly dangerous one is the religious psychotic flooding these pages like a deranged homeless guy on the subway

  • NathansFather

    James 5
    Restoring a Sinner
    “… 19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
    20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins…”

    The Supreme Court ruled atheism a religion too! Imagine that.
    ” atheism is a religion says us supreme court ”
    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=atheism+is+a+religion+says+us+supreme+court&t=hc&ia=web

    Great articles for atheists and “proof” which is in their court we are in error and not they. Non-believers it is not too late to turn to Jesus Iesous Y’shua which is the Good News of eternal life. But when will it be too late? When you draw your last earthly physical death breath.
    But when will that last breath occur? Next eye blink? Keystroke? Minute? Hour? Day? We are not guaranteed our next breath.
    The consequences of an atheist, agnostic, and false prophet denials. misinformation, or lack of choosing does not end well for many.

    Evidence for God
    Atheists have Proven God Does Not Exist. Right?
    http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/nogod.html

    Answers for Atheists and Agnostics
    http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/answers.html

    • Atheism is not a religion. It is simply the absence of belief in any god(s). Members of the Supreme Court are lawyers, nor usually philosophers. So I would discount their comments on atheism being a religion. Christians are atheists with respect to all the other gods except the Judeo-Christian one.

    • There is no such thing as “sinners” or “sin”. These are religious constructs, from the bullybull, a book written by bronze and iron age savages.

  • NathansFather

    Accountability partners are encouragers in the mold of Saint Barnabas.
    My favorite Saint. Be a Barnabas and come beside those in love and fellowship.

    13 Bible Verses about Barnabas the Encourager.
    http://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Barnabas#thematic_title_3847
    Barnabas » Characteristics of » Sympathy

    Acts 4:36-37
    “Now Joseph, a Levite of Cyprian birth, who was also called Barnabas by the apostles (which translated means Son of Encouragement), and who owned a tract of land, sold it and brought the money and laid it at the apostles’ feet.”

    May we model Saint Barnabas’ behavior to be loving children of the Living GOD.
    I am a Barnabas type to Pastor Jack. He my mentor, teacher, and dear friend. We are accountable to each other.

  • NathansFather

    Hot off the press… related to this discussion. Love the way this works! This is from John Piper a much regarded Pastor and the host of Desiring God.

    God Wounds Us Because He Loves Us
    https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/god-wounds-us-because-he-loves-us

    Unless one is raised in a loving Christian home and comes to the Lord in their time of decision… as for many others we must come to the Lord in our state of brokenness. I know Jack and I did as well as our mentor, Berit. Jesus Iesous Y’shua’s hand is extended to us. We only need to take it. It’s a free gift to us of mercy by His love and grace alone. This gift to us was bought at a very high price on the Cross of our salvation.

    Not sure how to come or come back to the Lord?
    What it means to be a Christian
    http://www.crossroad.to/text/beliefs.html

    • John Piper is a mad Calvinist. He thinks that little babies deserved to be executed by the lunatic Joshua troops.

    • Jack Wellman

      I know of no one that is more rock solid than this lady at Crossroad!

      • NathansFather

        Hi Jack! Berit is amazing isn’t she? Hope she is OK. Her family lives in the Napa Valley. Pray for our dear friend.

        ADDITIONAL > Berit and her family are safe as are their dwellings!
        Praise the LORD!

      • NathansFather

        I still haven’t heard from our dear sister Berit yet. Keep the prayers coming! We lifted the Kjos Family up to GOD Sunday 10/15. You are an effective and fervent Prayer Warrior Jack. None better! I mean that too. You know me. We always tell the truth to one another. Warrior on dear Jack, warrior on!

        ADDITIONAL > Berit and her family are safe. They did have smoke from the fires to the north of her. Thank GOD!

  • NathansFather

    Went too long. Repost. Part 1

    Jack and other followers of The Way. I have a prayer request please.
    Jack and I’s dear friend lives in the Napa Valley.
    Pray that Berit and Andy are spared from the fires.
    I note her site says she would be away for about a week (this was before the fire).
    Perhaps she wasn’t home at the time?
    I just checked and that message was removed.
    I pray this means all is well with the Kjos’.
    http://www.crossroad.to/News/1-today.htm
    For some of the most loving encouragement and outstanding apologist scholarship see:
    http://www.crossroad.to

  • NathansFather

    Christians are not a privileged majority at all. Oppression is coming in more and more waves and even in the unlikely quarters of “evangelical leaders” the wolves in sheep’s clothing.
    Religion though is not faith. I personally don’t use this word when referring to faith of followers of The Way, Truth, and Life.
    Religion can devolve into useless babbling such as the religion of atheists.
    We are engaged in conversation with the Living God through the exegesis of The Holy Spirit as we pray and read The Word.
    Our relationship is a disciplined relationship of servants of God and others. We come last.
    As we walk we learn how to let go of selfishness. This is the discipline of discipleship. We are His students and He is our teacher.
    Although this group has some wolves in sheep’s clothing they do present facts.
    http://downloads.frc.org/EF/EF17F51.pdf
    Warrior on with The Sword of the Lord sisters and brothers.
    Feed and water the enemies of Jesus Iesous Y’shua.
    Encourage one another as the battle has already been won.
    Victory in Christ
    http://www.crossroad.to/Victory/contents.htm

    • pud

      Truly psychotic….how’s life in the subway?

    • (1) Atheists are not religious. Why do you keep spouting this nonsense?

      (2) There is no such thing as “the exegesis of the Holy Spirit”. All exegesis of the bible is purely human. After all, the book itself was written by ancient savages.

  • NathansFather

    Preparing for Persecution [John this may be of interest to you as you seem to be a student of history.]
    http://www.crossroad.to/Persecution/persecution.htm
    Read the childhood story of Berit Kjos.

    “… My young father was a leader in “Hjemme Fronten” (the Home Front) — an underground army of loyal Norwegians who would risk death than submit to Nazi tyranny. Caught helping other brave soldiers escape into neutral Sweden, he endured hunger, torment, and the threat of death in Oslo’s main Nazi concentration camp before his release at the end of the war.

    The Norwegian people didn’t known such tyranny until the Nazi warships sailed up the Oslofjord on April 9, 1940. Overnight, Hitler’s fascism replaced liberty and trusted friends became foes. Resistance to the new ideology would be costly. But for most Norwegians, the choice was clear. Unlike Hitler’s masses, we hadn’t been weakened by years of ceaseless propaganda, slogans, service, and celebrations dedicated to the triumph of National Socialism…”

  • NathansFather

    Part 1 Needed lesser characters, repost.

    So true dearest Jack!
    >>> I have a mentor who is a senior pastor and he loves me enough to tell me the truth, even when it hurts, so if you’re needing help, ask yourself “Who is it you respect, trust, and think well of?” He or she might be right under your nose. ” <<<

  • NathansFather

    Part 2 mentors

    I know how this dear person has helped you in the past, Jack and God willing he will many more opportunities to help you in the future. I too need your help when I need advice and focused discipline and understanding that still escapes me. Jack are my mentor as well as my husband, Steve, and Berit. I have been so blessed! Thank you Lord for placing these fine, humble people in my life! You saved my soul, Lord, in these acts of love, patience, kindness, and grace.
    Love is patient, love is kind…

    • Why aren’t you kind towards those with whom you disagree?

  • NathansFather

    Given Scriptures today for encouragement since Pastor Jack’s blog is under spiritual attack.
    It seems the forces are gathering more and more besides our resident PUD/D|CK.
    I encourage people to block those who only spew hatred and not expressions of the brethren.

    Psalm 91:1 English Standard Version (ESV)
    My Refuge and My Fortress
    91 He who dwells in (A)the shelter of the Most High will abide in (B)the shadow of the Almighty.

    Cross references:
    Psalm 91:1 : See Ps. 32:7
    Psalm 91:1 : Ps. 121:5; [Isa. 25:4; 32:2]

    • Jack is not under any kind of attack. You mistake disagreement with Jack’s views as an attack on his person. You mistake difference of viewpoint for “spewing hatred”. You seem to have an inability to accept the legitimacy of alternative viewpoints in the public space.

  • NathansFather

    Part 2 Given Scriptures
    (YES we are given permission to judge within the imputed righteousness of Jesus Iesous Y’shua alone). In our own self-righteousness a hallmark of a corrupt soul apart from Jesus those are the ones who may not judge. We always hear from the apostates, atheists, and agnostics this twisting of Scripture. They have no ability to discern the spirits as we do who carry the Living God, The Holy Spirit in our hearts.)

    Zechariah 7:9-10 English Standard Version (ESV) Bible Study Tools for 10.11 — comfort for the oppressed – His righteousness and not our self-righteousness.
    9 “Thus says the Lord of hosts, (A)Render true judgments, show kindness and mercy to one another, 10 (B)do not oppress the widow, the fatherless, the sojourner, (C)or the poor, and (D)let none of you devise evil against another in your heart.”

    Cross references:
    Zechariah 7:9 : Isa. 1:17; Jer. 21:12; Mic. 6:8; [Matt. 23:23]
    Zechariah 7:10 : Isa. 1:23; Jer. 5:28; See Ex. 22:21, 22
    Zechariah 7:10 : Prov. 22:22
    Zechariah 7:10 : ch. 8:17

    • Why quote the bullybull all the time. You seem to think that it has magical qualities. It’s a human book written by ancient savages, not some imaginary Holy Ghost

  • NathansFather

    Part 3 Faithlife Image for 10/11 Singing Praise to The Lord
    Psalm 45:1 English Standard Version (ESV)
    Your Throne, O God, Is Forever
    To the choirmaster: according to Lilies. A Maskil[a] of (A)the Sons of Korah; a love song.
    45 My heart overflows with a pleasing theme; I address my verses to the king; my tongue is like the pen of (B)a ready scribe.
    Footnotes:
    Psalm 45:1 Probably a musical or liturgical term
    Cross references:
    Psalm 45:1 : Ps. 42, title
    Psalm 45:1 : [Ezra 7:6]

  • NathansFather

    Part 4 from eBible 10/11 – distinguishing followers of The Way from the attacks of the world of the self lovers “little gods”
    Love others above selfless ambition and bitter words and acts of the evil hearts.
    Encourage others as is the subject of this article.
    Come beside those in danger.
    What does the Bible say about self-love, loving self?
    https://ebible.com/questions/1335-what-does-the-bible-say-about-self-love-loving-self
    Simple theology of disciples (students) of Jesus Iesous Y’shua.
    1. Love God
    2. Love others
    3. self last

  • NathansFather

    Part 1, had to break into pieces (sorry)

    Here is something from Jack today, 10/10 on his Telling Ministries Devotional, Rhetorical Jesus.
    Just one of many I receive from Telling each day. Jack, Berit, my Pastor Steve, my husband an elder and i are accountability partners.
    It is hard to distinguish thoughts sometimes. A good friend (who always tells you the truth even though you don’t want to hear it helps us keep our thoughts straight. Jack is a terrific resource for me. After doing my research if I still don’t “get it” I ask him or others much farther down the sanctification walk.
    One thing I have found the more time I stay in my prayer closet each day with the Father the more the Holy Spirit speaks with sources from 2 or more sources on the same subject topic. Three really gets my attention! Three is a Holy Number.
    [See Part 2 for the devotional link]

    • If you are an accountability partner, I pity your partners. You are mad. Please mark me as a Pudite.

  • NathansFather

    This devotional matches the subject at hand of unHoly thoughts created by addictions.
    How is the conversation in your head? Does it glorify God?
    http://www.rhetoricaljesus.com/how-is-the-conversation-in-your-head-does-it-glorify-god/

    As Jack always signs his email to our small distribution group:
    Soli Deo Gloria (Glory to God Alone)
    Jack Wellman
    Pastor & Sinner, Saved by Grace
    Telling Ministries Talking Truth Through Technology
    https://tellingministries.org/
    [Use Website draw down menu] so you can sign up for one or more simple, clear, and point on remarks.
    And there are few people on Telling Ministries Devotions who diss on Jack and polite and helpful posters 🙂 Telling has far more control on banning people. Too bad Patheos/Disqus won’t ban dangerous unhinged people like PUD/D|CK. 🙁 Disqus Shirley (grin) will catch up to IT sooner or later and ban IT.)

    • pud

      Jack makes his living lying to children. You’re sick, mentally ill, jack is evil and delusional. Probably mentally ill too.

    • Pud is not unhinged. Maybe you should look at yourself. You seem to see demons everywhere. This is a sign of an unhinged person, Pud’s arguments are rational. Yours are irrational.

  • NathansFather

    For some Barnabas type of encouragement today from our host, Pastor Jack Wellman of Mulvane Brethren Church
    3 Ways God Empowers Us
    https://www.christianquotes.info/images/3-ways-god-empowers-us/

    • pud

      You are off your meds. You need medical and psychological help bad!

  • “Confess your sins to one another”.

    I would suggest that this is a very bad idea. Confessing one’s faults, or so called “sins”, to others in a church is very likely to make one the butt of gossip.

  • NathansFather

    How to Train Your Dragons: Killing Pet Sins Before They Kill You
    https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/how-to-train-your-dragons

  • NathansFather

    Part 1

    Found this today in my mailbox. from eBible 10/15.
    Certainly describes the PUDskyites that invade our space here. Some
    quotes that should sound familiar from what we witness of them here. One
    very sad fact many of them don’t even believe there is a satan yet they
    follow him. They repeat his lies and thrust themselves on others. They
    are the epitomy of selfishness. Sound familiar PUD?

    What is Satanism?
    https://ebible.com/questions/1694-what-is-satanism

  • NathansFather

    John I am not reading you. You are wasting your time and really need to re-examine yourself and your motives. Why are you so selfish? What happened to you to turn you away from The Faith? It’s on you now John as it always has been. Accept or reject the love of Jesus Iesous Y’shua. Choose wisely John.
    James 5: 20 Let him know, that *** he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins… *** “

    • You are a judgmental fanatic. You don’t know me to be able to assess whether I am selfish or not. You make accusations without evidence or is it your holy ghost telling you so? If it is your holy ghost, then your holy ghost is telling you lies.

  • NathansFather

    Part 1b The liar

    “…Satanism is not easily defined. There are several “divisions” of Satanism. In contrast to Christians, Satanists themselves disagree on their very fundamental principles. Christians may differ in opinion or conviction about interpretation of certain Bible passages, but they believe the same foundational principle that Jesus is God’s Son who paid the price for our sins by dying on the cross and rising from the dead. Satanists argue among themselves *** whether Satan even exists and whether they are worshiping him or themselves. *** In essence, they are a confused group bound by lies.***
    John 8:44 perhaps applies to Satanists: “You belong to your father the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.” …”

    Unfortunately many atheists do not understand how powerful the delusion is that they do not recognize this evil force. They may see evil in the world such in the despots Stalin and Hitler displayed but they deny there is an organized force entity behind these occult people. This is satan’s greatest lie that he does not exist.

  • NathansFather

    Repost 🙂 Went too long.
    Fine articles thoughtfully written and explained by a very respected reform Biblical scholar.
    It seems Protestants are on trial here. This is the 500th year of the Protestant Reformation.
    What Are the Five Solas? Part 1
    John Piper, October 3, 2017
    https://www.desiringgod.org/series/are-the-five-solas-in-the-bible/labs
    By Grace Alone Are the Five Solas in the Bible? Part 2
    https://www.desiringgod.org/labs/by-grace-alone
    In Christ Alone Are the Five Solas in the Bible? Part 3
    https://www.desiringgod.org/labs/in-christ-alone
    Through Faith Alone Are the Five Solas in the Bible? Part 4
    https://www.desiringgod.org/labs/through-faith-alone
    To the Glory of God Alone Are the Five Solas in the Bible? Part 5
    https://www.desiringgod.org/labs/to-the-glory-of-god-alone
    The Final Authority Are the Five Solas in the Bible? Part 6
    https://www.desiringgod.org/labs/the-final-authority

  • NathansFather

    Again no coincidences but there are miracles every day.
    Just got this which goes along with The Faith from eBible 10/16.
    What does the Bible say about faith?
    https://ebible.com/questions/1568-what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith