Billy Graham – Well Done Thou Good And Faithful Servant

Billy Graham – Well Done Thou Good And Faithful Servant February 23, 2018

After the passing of evangelist Dr. Billy Graham at age 99, will there ever be anyone else who comes close to this man’s passion for preaching Christ to the world?

God’s Evangelist

The late Billy Graham, one of the nation’s most beloved evangelists, recently passed into glory at age 99 after having served as an evangelist for several decades. This man served as a spiritual advisor for several presidents, but he also traveled the globe to preach Christ to people around the world and spoke with dozens of worldwide leaders. It is believed that well over 215 million heard about Jesus Christ over the six decades that he served, and he served and prayed with US presidents, from Harry Truman to Barack Obama. Dr. Graham’s life will have ripples of effects for time without end as his preaching was heard in 185 of the world’s 195 countries, according to the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, so the total influence of this man’s ministry may never be completely known until we enter the kingdom. He has been called perhaps the greatest and most influential Christian evangelist since the Apostle Paul. And unlike in his day, he was able to avoid many of the scandals that other famous evangelists faced as he lived a life above reproach.

President Reagan Nancy Reagan and Billy Graham at the National Prayer Breakfast held at the Washington Hilton Hotel in 1981.

Presidential Pastor

Billy Graham has not only been an evangelist, he has served several U.S. Presidents over the decades, leading worship services and giving spiritual advise to those in the nation’s highest offices. I remember hearing about this man saying to an audience in Charlotte in 1958 that, “We have an idea that we Americans are God’s chosen people, that God loves us more than any other people, and that we are God’s blessed. I tell you that God doesn’t love us any more than he does the Russians.” [1] Among some of the honors bestowed upon Dr. Graham were the Presidential Medal of Freedom, which is the highest honor an American citizen can receive, but he also received the Congressional Gold Medal, and even an honorary knighthood from Britain for his contribution to civic and religious life. Dr. Graham was an outspoken critic of communism, seeing it as a godless, atheistic nation that threatened the peace and stability of the world.

Color-Barrier

Some have called the late Dr. Howard O. Jones the “Jackie Robinson” of evangelism because of his strong stance against racial prejudice. Dr. Jones is also widely known for breaking the color barrier in 1958. He became the first African American who was invited by Billy Graham to be a part of the internationally renowned evangelist’s crusade team, so not only was Dr. Jones a groundbreaker, so was Dr. Graham. Dr. Jones served with the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association (BGEA) for 35 years and was the primary speaker on the Association’s radio broadcast, “Hour of Freedom.” Eventually, Dr. Jones was inducted into the National Religious Broadcasters Hall of Fame in 1955, and like Billy Graham, Dr. Jones understood that it is wrong to focus on race or the person’s skin color or nationality. The gospel is open to all who would come, Jew or Gentile, male or female, and poor or rich. Both these men knew that the gospel is not about race but all about grace. Billy Graham was not happy by the racial division that was occurring in the 1950’s and 60’s, so during at least two crusades in the early 1950s, which were held in Tennessee and Mississippi, Dr. Graham physically removed the racial barrier, taking down the ropes that had separated blacks and whites. Many of whites who were serving under Dr. Graham were not happy with his doing this, but he knew that there was no room for division at the cross, because he knew that every one of us bleed red, so there is no difference between people of different skin color to God as God is no respecter of persons (Acts 10:34). Even though Dr. Graham preached that racial segregation was sin, a few civil rights leaders were critical of him because he was not as involved in fighting social injustice, like racial prejudice, as other prominent me were, first and foremost of which was the late Dr. Marin Luther King Jr.

Conclusion

With the passing of Dr. Billy Graham, there is a time of sadness for many, but he would not trade one day in heaven for a thousand on earth now.   I remember him saying, this was not his home and that he was only passing through. Well, he’s passed through and finally arrived at his true home. For those he left behind, it’s not “Goodbye,” but “See you later.” We don’t grieve like those without hope (1 Thess 4:13), because for those whose trusted in Christ, including those beloved family and friends of ours who have passed away, we know we’ll see them again, however this time, all the pain, sorrow, suffering, crying, and even death will be missing… and missing forever (Rev 21:4). The late Dr. Billy Graham had a rule every pastor and church leader should follow, and that was he would never be found alone with another woman. It became known as the Billy Graham Rule, and as a result, there were no scandals of this nature to be found in his ministry. Near the end of his life, Dr. Graham didn’t care about all of the medals, honors or accolades, and neither did he desire that people say a lot of nice things about him. The only thing he wanted to hear was, “Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master” (Matt 25:21).  I believe he has finally heard those words from his Master.

Article by Jack Wellman

Jack Wellman is Pastor of the Mulvane Brethren Church in Mulvane Kansas. Jack is a writer at Christian Quotes and also the Senior Writer at What Christians Want To Know whose mission is to equip, encourage, and energize Christians and to address questions about the believer’s daily walk with God and the Bible. You can follow Jack on Google Plus or check out his book Teaching Children the Gospel available on Amazon.

1. “Dr. Billy Graham trying to avoid offending Soviets”, UPI story in Minden Press-Herald, May 10, 1982, p. 1

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  • pud

    Graham was a disgusting delusional snake oil selling charlatan who made his wretched living lying to children and gullible credulous fools like yourself. He peddled guilt and shame just like you do as he offered up his magical cure (for a small donation) He was a psychological terrorist (like you) who took his make believe hellfire to the stupid masses convincing millions that they were worthless trash (unless and until they drank the jesus kool-aid) from your dysfunctional Bronze Age storybook (his version not any other version) He was a clever lunatic (you’re just a run of the mill lunatic) who knew how to mass market stupidity and absurdity by preying on people’s deep seated insecurities. He lived 99 years too many.

    • Barrie Beaumont

      Sadly, there appears to be something seriously wrong with you pud. Is it possible that you could back off, and consider what you write. If you don’t believe in Christianity then stay off this forum. Go somewhere else and speak your views because many of us are blocking you as I am going to do.

      • pud

        BURN HIM!! MUST NOT LISTEN!! MUST BE FAITHFUL TO THE CULT!

        • Grant Lincoln

          Hi pud. You are entitled to your opinion/beliefs. But why do you care what others think? Are you saying you’re entitled to your own opinion, but others can’t have their own opinions/beliefs and have to agree with you?

          • pud

            I wouldn’t care what stupid beliefs anyone held if they kept them entirely to themselves, didn’t vote and didn’t indoctrinate children. But you don’t. Therefore someone has to oppose you and those like you so that america doesn’t become a christian theocracy like Saudi Arabia is a muslim theocracy…..We’ve been there done that…it was called the Dark Ages

          • Grant Lincoln

            I’m not sure if I’m reading you right, but I think you’re kind of describing a dictatorship. Who decides who can share their opinions/beliefs, and who can’t? It sounds like you’re saying that only people who agree with you can share their opinion like you’re doing, but those who don’t agree with you cannot voice their opinion, vote, or choose how to raise their own children. If that is what you meant by your previous comment, that pretty much describes a corrupt dictatorship…..not the US.

          • pud

            You are not reading me correctly. I don’t care what anyone “believes” in private but I care a great deal when those with absurd, absolute, superstitious, totalitarian “beliefs” seek to instill those lunatic “beliefs” on society at large or on children of whom they are temporary custodians.

            I object to communism, socialism, christians, muslim, jews, nazis, fascists and anyone else who holds an ideology NOT based upon reason and evidence.

            The dictators you cite were ALL slaves to an irrational ideology just like the catholic church was in its heyday or the puritans were when the came to slaughter the natives of the americas. It is the adherents of ideologies that cause human suffering and NONE has caused as much through the ages as religion.

            It is not a question of agreeing with me, it is a question of whether a particular world view is RATIONAL and unmotivated by a desire for power, conquest and subjugation of those who don’t subscribe to ideological dogmatic cult like thinking….as all religions and political “isms” do.

            I am not “angry” I do not hold “beliefs” of any kind. I follow where the evidence leads and conduct my affairs according to logic and reason. You do not which is why you are my enemy and an enemy of all that I hold dear.

            You have no right to indoctrinate children. You do not own your children you are a custodian. You are a child abuser if you insist on teaching them WHAT to think instead of HOW to think which is exactly what religious cults do.

          • Grant Lincoln

            Who are you to decide what beliefs are acceptable?

          • pud

            Oh, so should we as a society accept nazism? communism? Who are you to decide that nazis are incompatible with a civilized society?

          • Grant Lincoln

            Who are you to say your logic and reasoning is superior to the other billions of people on this planet? You state you are not angry, but in the same short paragraph also say “you are my enemy and an enemy of all that I hold dear”. To be an enemy requires hate.

          • pud

            There are no “versions’ of logic and reason…there is only logic and reason. I don’t have to “hate” you to despise your ideology

            We as a species can make certain statements about what is good and bad for humanity. We use reason and logic to say for example that cannibalism is not good for a civilization. The same process can be applied to all ideologies. The result would maximize freedom and minimize suffering. That precludes ALL religions for religion and other “faith” based systems are by definition IRRATIONAL!

          • Grant Lincoln

            Logic and reason are completely subjective. One person’s logic and reason can vary widely from another person’s logic and reason. I have another question for you. Do you think the human body is extremely complex? What I mean is that we have a brain, eyes, inner ear, taste buds, teeth, heart, lungs, liver, stomach, intestines, muscles, bones, joints, tendons, ligaments, blood vessels, nervous system, etc, etc. Evolution says life started accidentally as one single cell. How did that one unintelligent single cell have the ability to split or give birth to another cell for life to continue? I mean, what are the odds that would even happen? Even if by some miracle that cell did produce new life, what are the chances that the offspring of that single cell developed into cells for the rods, the cones, the retinal tissue, the lens, and the cornea to make up a working eye? What are the chances that the offspring of that single cell also developed into cells for a brain, inner ear, taste buds, teeth, heart, lungs………blood vessels, nervous system, etc? And finally what are the chances that all of those individual organs and systems not only accidentally developed, but that they would somehow connect with each other and work in unison? Humans, and all forms of life are designed; just like the various parts that make cars and planes work. And the designer of all forms of life is God. God doesn’t necessarily want you to stop being angry because it’s wrong, but mostly because He wants you to have peace. Whether your anger is the result of something bad that happened to you, or you feeling guilty about the life you’ve led so far, God loves you and wants to be close to you. But God doesn’t force us to love and respect Him……he has given us free will to choose whether or not we will love and respect Him, and allow ourselves to be close to Him – so that He can be close to us. It’s your choice, and it’s never too late.

          • pud

            Wrong. There are rules in logic, it is not subjective. Take the “law of identity” for example which states that a rock cannot be a rock and a non rock at the same time…it is NOT subjective. Neither is reason subjective. Try crossing the street using subjective reasoning.

            Evolution says NOTHING about HOW life started. See how ignorant you are? All of you fundies are totally ignorant yet you speak out all the time not even knowing what you’re talking about! Evolution is ONLY about the PROCESS by which living things adapt and change over time via natural processes….PERIOD.

            Tell me how your invisible magical undetectable “god” spoke things into existence from nothing….tell me the physics and mechanics behind this extraordinary faith based absurd claim

            I’m not angry so stop telling me what I am

            Demonstrate that ANY “god” past or present actually exists….EPIC FAIL

          • Grant Lincoln

            So how did life start?

          • pud

            We don’t know exactly. However, rational intelligent people DO NOT make up make believe fantasies or adopt Bronze Age thinking and superstition to provide a ridiculous answer to an as yet unknown. Rational and intelligent people are comfortable saying that we don’t know when we don’t know vs. you lunatics who insist on every question having an answer even if it’s an absurd and impossible one!

            As far as we can tell EVERYTHING in the entire Universe obeys the laws of physics and chemistry. Life appeared when the elements necessary for life and the energy required to kick start the process combined under the laws of chemistry and physics to create the 1st self replicating molecule. Time took care of the rest.

            When you require medical treatment do you consult a 21st century doctor or the bible?

          • Grant Lincoln

            I’ve asked you questions to understand your beliefs, and haven’t insulted you once. You have insulted me several times, calling me ignorant, and stating rational intelligent people don’t believe in God. Insults are evidence of anger.

            Where is the evidence of a self replicating molecule? Astro-physicists have recently admitted that their theories of universe expansion and contraction do not work.

            I really don’t understand why you care so strongly that everyone doesn’t agree with you. If you’re right, we’ll only be here about 80 years, which is absolutely nothing compared to your billions of years before you were born, and the billions of years after we die. So if our time is only 80 years out of billions, what you think is insignificant…..when you’re dead you’re dead, and your 80 years mean nothing. So who cares what you or I think?

            However, if Christians are right, we’ll be enjoying the billions of years after our deaths. But if you’re right, we’ll all be equally dead no matter what our opinions/beliefs were for the short 80 years we’re around. But what if you’re wrong?

          • pud

            NO, insults are justified replies to ridiculous claims. Ridiculous claims deserve only ridicule. Are you a tender snowflake or can you play with the big dogs?

            DNA is a self replicating molecule…RNA was the precursor to DNA….do some research for a change

            Bullshit on your astrophysicst claims…show me

            Well if you take a pure fatalist mentality you’re right….the sun will eventually swallow the earth wiping out every trace of humanity….so in that big picture view nothing does matter….however, I have sons and I wish them a happy life regardless of how brief. Destructive ideologies threaten their freedom which I defend.

            “If christians are right” LOL! If the muslims are right you’re in deep shit. You’re not right and neither are they! AND…your billions and billions of years doing nothing but praising the lord are going to be more like hell than heaven….Tell me how you’re going to spend your first trillion years kissing god ass. Then the next trillion….

            You have an infantile worldview that you haven’t thought out one bit. Life is valuable BECAUSE it is finite. Eternity doing the same horrible shit would not be paradise and it would be a pointless exercise by your imaginary invisible deity to set up such an absurd disney land if you only “believe” stupid crap on no evidence

            Grow up! Stop thinking like a 4 year old

          • Grant Lincoln

            I think your claims are ridiculous, so that gives me the right to insult you? Or are those rights only reserved for people who agree with you?

            From your own evidence claims, a self replicating model out of nothing (not the same as DNA) is a fantasy…..faith in the unseen. Do the insults you’ve given to Christians about faith, apply to you also?

            Try watching How the Universe Works. The topics are very interesting, and many of the astro-physicists admit there are many theories that do not work.

            You can’t accept someone thinking different than you do, and it’s when you run out of reasonable “logic” you have to resort to name calling.

            God is God, and you are not. Is it that you see people who disagree with you as inferior, only the people who agree with as being equal to you, and that no one can be superior to you…..including God?

          • pud

            All ridiculous claims are fair game…but you must be able to demonstrate that they are indeed ridiculous which I can easily do in the case of your baseless assertions and claims

            DNA molecules don’t come from “nothing” The only imbeciles who claim that anything came from nothing are YOU and your religious cult who “claim” that an invisible undetectable supernatural agent “spoke” the universe into existence via a magical incantation from NOTHING!

            You don’t even know what a “theory” is …A theory is a body of FACTS

            Second time…demonstrate that any “god” has ever existed.

            It’s NOT about agreement with me it’s about being able to SHOW what you claim! Something you cannot do and don’t care about. It IS about evidence and reason and logic and being able to back up ones claims with EVIDENCE

            You “believe” crap…I choose to KNOW things

          • Grant Lincoln

            You still haven’t answered my question. Where did the first self replicating molecule come from?

            You brought up how DNA self replicates itself, I didn’t. That’s old news.

            Where is your scientific evidence in the first self replicating molecule, besides just having faith. Using your own words, can you “SHOW what you claim” about the first self replicating molecule?

          • pud

            Google it…I’m not hosting school for lazy people. Chemistry and physics plus energy from the sun or geologic processes combined chemicals into self replicating molecules…look it up…there’s a ton of actual scientific data on the subject

            DNA actually EXISTS!!!! We know it is REAL and how it WORKS! We’ve mapped it out! We can alter it! We can see it! So therefore it had to be created through some process…duh It requires NO “faith” as we KNOW it exists and since it’s a molecule it was formed the exact same way as ALL molecules by following the laws of chemistry and physics!

            Contrast this to “duh buybull said in da beginning”….Show me how MAGIC works! Show me how incantations call forth matter from nothing! Show me your “god” or any evidence of ANY “god” ever existing…THERE IS NONE!

            You have NOTHING! You “believe” some ancient superstitious babble written down by no name authors 3000 years ago who didn’t know the Earth was a sphere!

            You choose to craft your entire world view based upon one ancient book! A book whose authors you know nothing about! Whose authors knew nothing! Whose authors lived in a backwards part of the world where dozens of “gods” were worshiped none of which were real!

            What kind of mind chooses myth and superstition over science and evidence? An infantile one! An indoctrinated one! A simple one! A fearful one!

          • Grant Lincoln

            Can you stop tap dancing around the question? There is no chemistry and physics and energy combination identified, that has been able to create a self replicating molecule. If scientists had been able to identify the right mix of chemicals and conditions to do that, it would be published and the top news story in the world.

            I’m not talking about taking an existing strand of DNA and modifying it into something different, which you’re trying to use to support the creation of the first self replicating molecule. I’m talking about identifying that first combination of chemicals and conditions that produced the very first self replicating living cell.

            How did that first self replicating cell come to exist? How did that first cell become the various cells to develop the organs and systems in our bodies? How did those various organs and systems become connected to work in unison?

          • pud

            BHWAA! Every molecule in existence came about the EXACT same way! Every drug, every chemical compound, every new molecule invented by man or nature happened via the exact same laws of chemistry and physics! No exceptions whatsoever! Elements have properties, they bond to and bind to other elements under certain circumstances! Water forms when you light a match to a test tube of hydrogen and when you burn gas in your car! That’s chemistry 101~!! That is EXACTLY how DNA formed too! In undersea vents where superheated mineral rich water saw chemical processes or on land with the energy from the sun.

            You are an idiot!!

            A lazy idiot!!

            We know how molecules form because we form them every fucking day! Where did plastic come from? Nylon? CHEMISTRY! we made those molecules the same way nature makes molecules! Shit man…get off your ass and learn something instead of wallowing in your ancient fairytales!

            In answer to your other questions…EVOLUTION!!! Go study something instead of being a willful idiot! DNA led to the formation of proteins which formed lipids which formed cell membranes..etc etc Go fucking read it! There are volumes of material where you can KNOW how this process happened

            or

            remain an imbecile and just shrug your shoulders and go “god did it” duh, I dunno…musta been god in the garden of eden…duh…da buybull tells me so…

            I HAVE EVIDENCE AND FACTS! not an answer to every question but real supportable answers to many questions….YOU HAVE NOTHING!! NOT ONE THING to support your malignant infantile notions about invisible agents spouting magical incantations

            You are as irrational and willfully stupid as every other ignorant fundy nut case I’ve ever encountered. You’ll contort yourself and reality any way you can to try to cling to your absurd superstitious nonsense and IGNORE every FACT put right under your nose

            You’re wasting my time now. Piss off if you can’t ask intelligent questions

          • Grant Lincoln

            Molecules are not life…..i.e.H2O is not life…..NaCl is not life. You just keep dancing around the question…..how did the first LIVING cell begin?

            If you had the evidence you would just point to the published peer reviewed study. Because you don’t actually have the evidence, you side step the question, and revert to name calling and swearing. I wonder if your anger is because you know there are holes in your scientific theory, and when people don’t just agree with you it brings that doubt to the surface.

            Your view of God being a bully, and that Heaven is just about bowing down to God and kissing his behind, maybe that says a lot about your personality. No one is better than you, on earth or in Heaven. The books of the Bible were written by different authors who lived at different times, and hundreds of miles apart. They couldn’t email or call each other to conspire to come up with same stories……or to even tell each other they were writing down what they observed……or have any control that their writings would be included in what we know today as the Bible. And all of those authors tell of Jesus healing the sick, feeding large groups with very little food, and raising others from the dead…….and then Jesus rising from the dead. If you find ancient parchments in Egypt, or hieroglyphs in South America, they are scientific facts. But because the parchments found in the Middle East are about God, they’re childish fantasy……but the rest of us do not have to agree with you. If you want to reject God that is your choice, but keep it to yourself, don’t vote, and don’t teach your own children you’re beliefs. That last sentence is sarcastic, applying your rules about people must not voice opinions different than your own.

            If you continue being angry at anyone who doesn’t bow down to your opinions/beliefs, you’ll be angry all of your life……because billions of people disagree with your views.

            I’ve had conversations with a few other athiests, and they were civil and interesting conversations. I don’t mind discussing our different opinions, but I am tired of your anger. I hope someday that you evaluate what makes you so scared of people that disagree with your views that it makes you so angry. Good bye.

          • pud

            LOOK IT UP STUPID! I’m not writing a textbook here. “Abiogenesis”….Type it in google you lazy sod.

            I know where you’re trying to go…you simple minded lunatics are so predictable.

            All theories are PROBABILITY FUNCTIONS they are not “proofs” They are models combining a body of FACTS that best explains a given phenomenon

            YOU HAVE NOTHING…I can SHOW why evolution is true…you don’t even care about what’s true at all!

            You ARE stupid…credulous, gullible and STUPID!

            You do NOT know who wrote your stupid book! Everything in in is HEARSAY! Stories! Undocumented make believe and you can SHOW NOTHING to the contrary

            EVERYTHING we KNOW PROVES that there was no adam and eve, no global flood caused by a psychotic genocidal being, no talking snakes, no men living in fish, no dead men coming back to life…..EVERYTHING we KNOW shows you to be WRONG about everything…..and you don’t care! LOL You’re going to “believe” what you want to “believe” no matter what.

            Tell me how spit and mud cures leprosy ….how speaking magic words casts out demons….show evidence for such! ANY EVIDENCE beside your story book of nonsense! YOU CAN’T!! You cannot SHOW anything!

            Your book has hundreds of directly contradictory stories! Hundreds of provable untruths! Hundreds of impossibilities (oh unless “god” does magic and makes donkeys talk) LOL

            Only a LUNATIC would accept words and claims of an impossible nature on their face. Only a crazy person would model his whole life on a book of any kind! Only a simple minded bumpkin would “believe” absurdities without demanding corresponding evidence to back those claims up. You require nothing. You ARE stupid.

            I’m not angry…I call things as they are and you are ridiculously stupid.

            RIDICULOUSLY STUPID!

            Mine is NOT an opinion it is evidence based FACTS vs your absolutely delusional make believe

            I don’t “reject” any “god” because THERE ARE NO GODS! There is no Zeus, no Thor, no Allah, no Yahweh, no Ju Ju of the mountain! THEY ARE ALL MADE UP..THEY ARE ALL MAKE BELIEVE! and you can offer absolutely NO evidence that any of the 10,000 made made “gods” from the last 10,000 years actually existed. NOTHING!

          • pud

            The whole New Testament is a take off on the book of Mark and every single book in your stupid book was a compilation of stories that were freely exchanged around the region as well as take offs on existing narratives from other cultures…You know shit and have never bothered to even learn about your own cults origins…I have

            I don’t hold “beliefs” only stupid people do. I taught my sons HOW to think not WHAT to think…that’s the role of cults like yours

          • Colin B

            I’m out of my league here, on account of “Never the twain shall meet” Here we have two obviously intelligent men of differing opinions. Which is why I wont interfere and stick to my chosen faith, (Romans 12:17) which I hope you guys will one day find. If all had to abide by ‘the sermon on the mount’ the world would have peace.

          • pud

            Wrong! But you won’t care. None of you religious lunatics care for reason or the truth…you simply want to “believe” what you want to “believe” no matter how stupid, irrational or wrong it might be

            http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2015/11/09/watch-matt-dillahunty-deconstruct-the-entire-sermon-on-the-mount/

          • pud
          • Colin B

            I fully agree with you that most religions are fake. Fact being that there are +- 40,000 registered churches, of which 3/4 are independent. Each of the latter claim to have the REAL truth. Obviously, only one can. How can you call that rubbish? I was not trying to convert you, nor can I do that! Only God can. Read John 6:44. Good health to you.

            https://theway21stcentury.wordpress.com/2012/11/23/how-many-christian-denominations-worldwide/

          • pud
          • Grant Lincoln

            Hi pud. While I don’t agree with you, I feel absolutely no anger towards you. Which is why I don’t understand why you’re so angry, unless you had some terrible experience in your past, and now your anger is some type of revenge…..I’m just making that wild guess, because I really don’t understand your anger. Back to your previous response to me, the attitude that only those who agree with you are allowed to speak is very scary. I’m not sure if all of the following were dictators, but each of them killed millions of people who had different opinions/beliefs than they did: Hitler, Stalin, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, and Saddam Hussein to name a few. But back to the more important thing, why are you so angry?

          • Jean Camille

            If you are curious and wish to pray, check other comments here, in “When the Scriptures Say ‘But God’ DEC 18, 2017 and “North And South Korea Unite — For a Time” FEB 9, 2018

          • Grant Lincoln

            I’m confused? Curious about what?

          • Jean Camille

            About Pud and his anger. Welcome to ignore this too. Blessings

          • Grant Lincoln

            I was just trying to plant a seed of doubt in pud’s mind about his absolute faith in science. I’ve had conversations with other athiests who believe in a Godless evolution, and when I’ve pushed them on how did the first life form come into existence, they have no answer (there is no answer, except God). And when they admit they can’t explain how life first came into existence, I then ask them how could that first living cell become cells to develop our brain, cells to develop our eyes, cells to develop our intestines, etc., and that all of those separate organs would become connected and work in unison. I have found that athiest evolutionist completely ignore and resist anything from the Bible, until you shake their confidence in their science. Because pud was so angry against Christians and God, I knew there was no point in anyone quoting Bible verses to him, unless his confidence in science was shaken. I don’t think that will happen overnight for pud, but hopefully there’s a seed of doubt about his Godless evolution that keeps growing. What were you going to say about pud and his anger?

          • Jean Camille

            Thanks for the work you put in to balancing our understanding here. If you have not already, you would enjoy viewing “Latest Scientific Evidence for God’s Existence”” – Hugh Ross, PhD. Apparently, Laurence Krauss has conceded a form of deism in a recent book. Ross gives a page reference.

            I am assuming Pud is disabled and discarded. He has experienced deep rejection in most bitter circumstances. His anger is his response to the loss. He behaves like a narcissist. His reaction against Billy Graham suggests he is driven also by spirits, probably of rejection and bitterness.

            My references above are to comments in other Christian Crier articles. They will show you informative aspects of Pud’s thinking. He and others are devotees of the Dawkins/Krauss crowd, all exhibiting the same tricks and flaws.

            Blessings, and keep up the good work.

          • Raymond

            Don’t bother trying to affect poor pud. I’m not sure s/he really believes everything he says, but he is more interested in trolling than discussing anything.

    • Colin B

      Those commenting in Graham’s favour are really ‘Followers of men’ rather than ‘Christ the great teacher’ who told us all we need to know.”

      • pud

        Right! “he” taught you how to treat your slaves. Sure was a great teacher

        • Colin B

          Besides, Graham, supposedly, an ‘evangeliser’ doesn’t seem to know that the rulers of this world whom he fraternises with, are really God’s enemies.
          Read Psalm 2 and Revelation 19:17, 18. Not too many know this.

          • pud

            Sorry but I don’t do religious fantasy or mythology.

  • pud

    “I believe he has finally heard those words from his Master.”

    You “believe” all manner of absurdity. You “know” absolutely nothing and don’t care to.

  • Carlos Santiago

    I was fortunate to see Graham 3 times. Each time I was struck by the fact that his message was to repent from our self centered sinfulness and turn toward God by loving God AND loving our neighbor as ourselves.

    • Jack Wellman

      Thank you sir. I wonder who will take up his work as an evangelist. I agree that Dr. Graham lived out what he taught.

      • pud

        Won’t be you! LOL

      • Barrie Beaumont

        Jack,do you believe that Billy Grahams passing could be a mechanism for revival? I believe that it could and should be.
        Any chance you could put up a blog on it?

  • Stephen Braimah

    Yes, BIlly Graham’s WORK HAS TO CONTINUE. He has done thw work God sent him to do. I pray that THE FERTILE SOIL HE HAS LAID DOWN and the seed he has planted CAN CONTINUE TO YIELD BOUNTIFUL HARVEST, througth the WORK OF BELIEVERS, in Jesus’ Name, Amen.

    • pud

      Total luancy

      • Stephen Braimah

        Jesus loves you. I pray that THE WORDS OF BILLY GRAHAM SET YOU FREE FROM THE SPIRIT THAT makes you DISLIKE BELIEVERs, in Jesus’ Name, Amen.

        • pud

          LOL…You’re out of your skull

        • Kyra Lynne

          Billy Graham’s words can’t set anyone free. Only Jesus’ can. But I know what you’re saying 😉
          You’re not the only one praying for our *friend* Pud.

          • pud

            Stop wasting your time begging your invisible friend….no one is there. Grow up

          • Kyra Lynne

            I’ll do with my time what I want, thank you very much!

          • pud

            Tragic waste of a life

          • Kyra Lynne

            Unfortunate waste of time….Pud insulting people that is.

          • pud

            Ridiculous ideas deserve ridicule

          • Kyra Lynne

            Rude argumentative people deserve blocking. And worse.

          • pud

            Oh right….you don’t care about what’s true which we arrive at through rational argument…forgot. Violence against those who don’t drink your sick koolaid huh? How christian

          • Kyra Lynne

            Who said anything about violence? Stop putting words in my mouth! *chokes* lol
            I’ve shown you kindness…you repay it with verbal violence. How nice.

          • pud

            The truth is violence eh?

          • Kyra Lynne

            The truth is the truth. Unnecessary violence is unnecessary violence. It’s quite simple….although hard for you to understand, apparently.

          • pud

            We’ve had the “truth” discussion already…you chose make believe

          • Kyra Lynne

            Have we? Yeah, in your opinion. -_- You chose to take the chance….I chose to be smart and be prepared.

          • pud

            Thank about what you just wrote….your little insurance policy huh? Sick

          • Kyra Lynne

            Blessed assurance, Pud, in insurance. The blessed assurance of our home in Heaven.

          • Kyra Lynne

            Assurance, Pud, not insurance. The blesses assurance of a home in Heaven with Jesus.

          • pud

            I’m not going to waste anymore time with you. My parting advice is for you to see a qualified mental health professional. You are borderline psychotic

          • Kyra Lynne

            It’s about time. Thank you for your not-so-smart advice that I won’t be taking….like every other piece of stupid and sarcastic piece of *advice* you’ve given me -_-
            Have a nice life, hopefully you coming to the Saving Knowledge before you have to face Him. We’re praying for you. Jesus loves you, more then you’ll ever know, I’m sure.

          • Kyra Lynne

            I apologize for sounding like a jerk to you, Pud. It wasn’t right, I shouldn’t have indulged in my anger. I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me.
            Jesus loves you!
            @trulyfree
            Kyra Lynne

          • pud

            @trulyenslaved

          • Kyra Lynne

            Take that as a “no.”

          • Kyra Lynne

            And do you think that your attitude here is going to make anyone want to be an atheist? You’re coming across as a whinny, childish, insolent person, and how does this help your case at all??? It doesn’t.

          • Stephen Braimah

            Thank you, Siste Kyra. KEEP ON PRAYING IN THE SPIRIT, sensu Ephesians 6:18. Billy Graham, LIKE EVERY BELIEVER, ECHOES THE WORDS OF JESUS. Remain Blessed, in Jesus’ Name, Amen.

          • Kyra Lynne

            Hey, it’s actually Sister Kyra, but that’s okay lol ;D.
            Yes, he did. I am so thankful for the way he touched so many people’s lives thru Jesus and I don’t know if anyone could replace him.
            Thank you for the encouragement, sir! It’s very much needed.
            ~Sis. Kyra Lynne

          • Stephen Braimah

            Sear Sister Kyra, pardon the inadvertent mislabel. I have met people like pud. PLEASE, RESORT TO PRAYER INSTEAD OF ENGAGGING IIN SPIRITUAL WAREFARE WITH SECULAR DIALOGUE. It is FRUITLESS, BASELESS and IT ENCOURAGES GODLESSNESS. Remember that “For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)” 2 Corinthians 10:4 (KJV) Remain blessed, in Jesus’ Name, Amen.

          • Kyra Lynne

            Bro. Stephen,
            Yes, that’s a good plan, but we don’t have to just shut out mouths and eyes to the ridicule that people like Pud spew against Jesus. But, you’re right, and I’m not planning on engaging him any further, as it is completely useless. Thank you for your advice! 🙂
            Ps. don’t worry about the “brother” thing ;P

          • Kyra Lynne

            Actually yes, now thinking about it, you were completely right. I shouldn’t have let my anger at Pud get ahold of me and I shouldn’t have said those words. There is already too much hatred in the world and if Christians start adding to it then where will we be? Thank you so much for pointing out where I was wrong 🙂

          • Barrie Beaumont

            Stephen I am going to introduce a further dimension into your method of continuous quoting of Biblical text. It is not intended as criticism of you, but rather to ask you to justify, and explain the content and purpose in your quotes. Why, because my contact with the secular world tells me that secular people dislike Christians ‘throwing’ the Bible at them. In some cases these quotes are sometimes, a little off the mark when exegesis (in simple words, unpacking the meaning) is applied. Please remember that I am not criticising but opening a dimension of practice and thought; necessary to get the message into the secular world.

            I contend that pushing quotes down any persons throat is to dumb down not only the Gospels but the whole Bible; our manual for living. My thoughts are that a biblical quote/s without an explanation of the text, may not ,achieve your intention. To go one step further it is approaching ‘Bible bahing technique.

            Like others, I feel for pud, but at the same time it is not prudent to ‘throw’ text around. He feeds on this and maybe, deep down he may be a ‘victim of past church activities. We will never achieve a step forward without understanding, and a poignant question to put to pud is; has he had a bad experience with a church? what is it that causes him to believe and espouse in his venting manner? He annoys me because I firmly believe that he discourages others from entering the forum because they put effort into their comments and have no wish to receive a pud type response. I do agree that we should not let him get to us. We are in a sound life situation, and it appears he is not. So what does activate him, and some others, to troll through Christian sites,venting his type of disagreement in the manner that he does?

            I have blocked him as I said I would, because I hear, and see, plenty of his type of venting all around me. I don’t need to see it in his style of beating down on every person who comments. There is a limit.

          • pud

            He corrupted people and rotted their brains with his terrorist tactics. You’re just too naive’ stupid and immature to see that.

          • Kyra Lynne

            Okay.

          • Stephen Braimah

            Dear Sister Kyra, pardon the inadvertent mislabel. I have made the necessary correction. I have pepople like pud. The secular dialogue is FRUITLESS, BASELESS and COUNTER PRODUCTIVE. Remember that “For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, 6 and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.” 2 Corinthians 10:4-6 New King James Version (NKJV). Pray and Remain blessed, in Jesus’ Name, Amen.

          • Kyra Lynne

            It’s fine, sir, it’s not the first time 😉
            Yes, I see that now. Thank you for letting the Holy Spirit use you to convict me. I have trouble letting people like Pud get away with their insults to Jesus, but I should have been more Christ-like in my approach. Again, thanks!
            Kyra

          • Jean Camille

            So, what is it to be Christ-like? I think we need to look at how Christ talked to the Pharisees to complete our picture of that. There is a place for righteous anger. Jesus called them whitened tombs, fine outside, rotten within. John the Baptist called them a bunch of snakes. The Lord rebuked Thyatira for tolerating false teaching (Rev 2:20). There is definitely no place for winking at anything that would cause the little ones to stumble. In fact, when I read Mark 9:42, I know the offenders need protection too, from themselves.

            Do not be too judgemental of yourself, Kyra.

            For a balanced and compassionate view on how to apply this personally, watch “When NOT to Turn the Other Cheek” (www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ek1y1Dgq58). For a take on how the Church Fathers dealt with such matters, go to “The Christian and Harsh Language” (http://www.tektonics.org/lp/madmad.php). It is a long article and the Church Fathers may be too strong for our taste, but it does suggest we may have been tainted too much by the “sensitive new age” ethos.

            I am constantly instructed by Prov. 26:4,5 on this. We are to ensure our own inner peace first, but then make sure unbelievers do not remain ignorant. Why else would we discuss this under a eulogy for Billy Graham?

            Blessings

          • Kyra Lynne

            Oh, wow, thank you Jean. I see your point. This is something I’ve been thinking about lately, with all the “hate messages” going on everywhere you look, including here.
            I think that righteous anger is what Jesus felt when He turned the tables in the temple. And I think that it is okay to feel angry at the people who purposely choose to harm the name of Jesus and His disciples. But there’s also a point where you can’t become like the people who you are angry at. We can’t truly let our lights shine if we look and sound just like the other *puds* around us.
            But I do understand what you’re saying. I think it’s an important issue to think about and do research into (the Bible, obviously first).
            God bless you and your words, Jean!
            @trulyfree
            Kyra Lynne

          • Jean Camille

            Very true, very true. Such a dilemma. It is too complicated for me; I ask the Holy Spirit what to do. Along the lines of what Stephen Braimah said, I lodged an intervention under Pud’s recent post. Would you please join me in that?

          • Kyra Lynne

            Yes, I think that’s the best thing we can do in these complicated situations.
            Totally doing that. Thanks for the idea 🙂
            @trulyfree
            Kyra Lynne

          • Jean Camille

            Hi Stephen.

            You may be interested in my post to Kyra Lynne

          • Stephen Braimah

            Amen, Sister Jean. I concur with your point of view and thankful for the biblical verses you used to substatiate your comment. My personal opinion about Pud (based on his/her ceaseless derogatory view/comments) is to ignore his/her comments. THERE IS NO VICTORY WON, FOR CHRIST, WHEN WE ENCOUNTER AN INDIVIDUAL LIKE Pud. I am a CREATIONIST (BIOLOGIST) and I have discovered that “THE OTHER SIDE” hold on to CONVICTIONS and BELIEF SYSTEM that BIBLICAL TRUTH CANNOT CHANGE. To people like Pud, THE BIBLE SAYS, “…..ONLY A FOOL SAYS THERE IS NO GOD……..” (Psalm 14:1). Yes, BELIEVERS MUST VIGORIOUSLY DEFEND THEIR BELIEF SYSTEM AND BEHAVE as Christ and Paul and the other Apostles when they confronted with ARGUMENTS/OPINIONS THAT ARE ANTI BIBLICAL TEACHING/TRUTH. It is, however, WISE TO PRAYERFULLY DECIDE WHEN AND HOW THEY MUST DEFEND BIBLICAL TRUTH. Somrtimes silence is golden. When I encounter people like Pud, I chose to let the indwelling Holy Spirit DO THE DISCIPLINING. Remain Blessed, In Jesus’ Name, Amen.

    • Colin B

      Stephen, you impressed me with your kind nature – bless you my brother. Pud may have seen the hypocrisy. EG: Fake healers. My sister-in-law died 6 months after Oral Roberts said he’d never before seen such faith. In 1964 when James Randi offered $1,000 of his own money to the first person who could offer proof of the paranormal. Later, during a live radio panel discussion, James Randi was challenged by a parapsychologist to “put [his] money where [his] mouth is”, and Randi responded by offering to pay $1,000 to anyone who could demonstrate paranormal powers in a controlled test. The prize has since grown. We’ve also seen false prophets. Some claiming to have seen God. (John 1:18) THESE are the ones neither God nor the world need. They discredit Christianity, and dishonour God.

      • Stephen Braimah

        Dear Sister Colin, thank you for your kind words. Surely, PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE IS A RELIABLE PREDICTOR OF THE OUTCOME OF EVENTS, UNDER SIMILAR CONDITIONS. Pud’s comments, in this instance, are very antagonistic and sometime abusive. There will ALWAYS be PRETENDERS (FAKE) prophets and people who would make outrageous claims and comments. Nevertheless, as BELIEVERS, we are expected to have SECOND SOMBER THOUGHT and CONSULT, through prayer, WITH GOD prior to MAKING JUDGEMENTS about the validity of the things we hear, see or expect to hear or see. FALSE PROPHETS HAVE BEEN AROUND SINCE ANCIENT TIMES (JESUS’ TIME). The example of Pud and the other two you cited are FAITH KILLERS. My opinion, on such claims, is that BELIEVERS MUST CHECK EVERY SPIRIT. The greatest miracles were performed during the time Christ was on earth. Yes, other miracles have also occurred post His time on earth. I DO NOT LOOK TO PEOPLE. I LOOK AT THE BIBLE AND THE THE PROMISES OF CHRIST. More importanly, THE FOCUS of believers MUST BE ON THE GREAT COMMISSION , NOT ON SINGLE ACTS OF MIRACLE. The latter has been used by the devil to drive people away from Christ, especially WHEN THEY ARE NOT SUCCESSFUL, which is the case in 99% of the times. I pray that BELIEVERS CAN FOCUS ON FEEDING THE HUNGRY, VISITING THE SICK, GOING ON MISSION FIELDS, to fulfill the tenets of the great commission, and the other commandsment of Christ , in Jesus’ Name, Amen.

  • RajuCharles

    Greatest Evenglist of the 20th Century!☝️
    Pastor Billy Graham failed to Speak up for Freedom of Religion or to expose Dalit Christian Discrimination in Secular India!

  • Barrie Beaumont

    An uplifting article Jack and thanks for writing it. It is such a shame that pud attempts to place his own dark cloud over the brilliant celebration of Billy Grahams arrival at his true home.
    I appreciate your articles Jack. I have blocked pud even though I hope he does, at some time, walk into the light.
    It is hard to read your articles with out looking at the comments, and even though I feel for pud, I do not want to see his insulting comments. I don’t for one moment believe I am the only one, and I have said previously that he should be banned. I believe that many more would comment if pud was absent.
    For those who want to block pud and any other like person, click on the down arrow that appears when you place your cursor at the right hand of his comment.

    I can understand that allowing pud would encourage many Christians to pray for him, and that is a good thing. As Christians, we have to live in a secular world and have to learn to live with anti Christian pressure in our families, the workplace and these forums where anti Christian keyboard trolls vent their hate. It would be wonderful if pud where to become a Saul.

    • pud

      BURN HIM!! Always your cults response. Proof that my understanding of you is spot on as it has been throughout all of history. You are the terrified roach who flees the light

    • Kyra Lynne

      Nope, you ain’t the only one who would like to have him banned. But also, sometimes you have to say, “if you can’t stand the smoke then you’d better get out of the fire.” We may have to just put up with his bantering by blocking him. If he gets bored and doesn’t get replies, he’ll probably just leave anyways….

      • pud

        You underestimate my tenacity. I will oppose you and your sick dehumanizing cult until the day I die. You are a warped indoctrinated delusional girl who sacrificed any chance of being a rational thinking adult. It is a shame and a crime perpetrated against you by stupid, ignorant preachers of the absurd who have terrorized you into swallowing their bunk out of fear of eternal retribution by an imaginary “being”….who “loves” you….WTF?

        • Kyra Lynne

          *is moving on*

    • pud

      It’s not “hate” it’s contempt! You are the terrorist, you are the backwards ignorant savage enslaving people with your nonsensical mythology. It is you who indoctrinates the young, you who perpetuates ignorance and superstition. You are lucky to live in a secular world even as you yearn for the Dark Ages for it is the secular world that’s freed you from the plague, starvation, disease and savagery. You owe me and those like me who revere knowledge, learning and truth about reality who made this world infinitely better than any time when religious lunatics called the shots. Try a little critical thinking and study a little actual history instead of burying yourself in your absurd book of Bronze Age fables

  • pud

    What is most disturbing about the reactions to this carny barker finally dying is the absolute infantile perspective you all have towards the very nature of reality.

    “Faithful servant”…..You all harbor this deep seated desire to be a fucking slave. “Master”….how could it be more obvious? Alongside this horrific desire is your infantile wish to have an eternal parent figure along the lines of what Freud said “god is dad” to the popular phrase “god is dead” You are willful children who cannot deal with reality absent a constantly supervising parent who in this case takes supervision to the ultimate extreme! This disturbed psychology is indeed neurotic and pathological. You have never grown up and have no desire to ever grow up. You want to be controlled if even by an invisible undetectable Bronze Age mythological character! Your invisible friend, dad, master, overlord, judge and puppet master. You suffer Stockholm Syndrome on steroids all the while praising your invisible jailer from some ancient ignorant time and you don’t even care!

    You don’t even flinch at the idea of “compulsory love”…the commandment to love that which you also must fear. The very definition of totalitarianism…the very design of regimes like North Korea! You, Graham, your “god” are terrorists. You have no arguments whatsoever for the claims you make so you instill fear, guilt, shame and personal degradation all the while offering up your snake oil “carrot” cure in the form of your infantile cult and promise of some netherworld wonderland vs the “stick” of eternal torture for non compliance and credulity at your stupid unsupported claims.

    GODS DO NOT NEED SERVANTS! MEN DO NOT NEED MASTERS!

    Your whole worldview is sick! It is infantile and demeaning and ridiculous on its face.

    You, Graham, those like him are abominations. You peddle your nonsense and absurdities like a terrorist with a gun on behalf of some invisible undetectable non-existent agent who ANY self respecting rational man would condemn. You all are proponents of ignorance, gullibility, stupidity better suited for the Dark Ages. Thank all the non-existent “gods” that this bastard is finally where he belongs…in the ground!

    • Jean Camille

      Bitterness and Rejection, in the Name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, be still and leave the man alone. Let him rest.

      • pud

        What a stupid thing to write. He’s dead…I doubt he cares

        • Jean Camille

          Yes, I accept you would consider it stupid. With so shallow a view of reality, you miss a lot.

          We know you. You well may be one of those people that, if we show interest in them, they despise us for our poor judgement. Trying to hijack another man’s eulogy is a despicable display of narcissism. You are rude, arrogant and bigoted. You have been rejected as totally useless. Those who should have treated you best have treated you worst and you are consumed with the bitterness of that. You illustrate well the doctrine of total depravity. You are no different from the rest of us.

          Still, some of us are genuinely concerned for your well being. That is the stupidity of the Cross of Jesus Christ.

          It is a pity you are so proud of being stubborn; it is hard for you to kick against the goads. And the Lord may have to bless you with yet another kick in the butt.

          Still, we continue to pray.

          • pud

            Oh really? My “shallow view of REALITY”? How about you show, demonstrate, prove, offer evidence for ANYTHING in your cult that comports with “reality”?

            I appreciate your kind christian insults..lol

            I’m not the one who is “stubborn” I’m always open to new information provided it can be SHOWN to be true. There is NOTHING you mindlessly “believe” in that can be shown to be true which is why I reject your nonsense, all religious nonsense, all parnormal voodoo BS and ALL claims that cannot be demonstrated

            You can demonstrate absolutely NOTHING.

            Oh, I am quite different from the rest of you. I’m rational you’re not.

          • Jean Camille

            You and I differ on what counts as evidence for reality.

            Human beings have a wide range of experiences. Of these, physical scientists restrict themselves to what we can observe and quantify. Science makes no judgement on what it cannot observe. That is logical.

            Materialists turn the practice into a metaphysical statement: what we cannot observe does not exist. This denies the basis of the method, to consider only that which we CAN observe. Materialism is therefore not scientific.

            It is a philosophy that limits our consideration of reality to a segment of our neo-cortex. In truth, we cannot understand reality to the full unless we engage our whole person with it.

            You have artificially restricted your consideration of reality and miss a lot of it for that reason. In short, shallow.

          • pud

            We differ only in that you don’t have a clue what constitutes empirical actual evidence for reality.

            “Experience” is NOT evidence if it were then it would be just as reasonable to “believe” testimonies about Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster and alien abductions.

            Physical science deals with what can be MEASURED. That is THE criteria for reality. It has nothing to do with being “observed” and everything to do with being detectable and measurable.

            Tell me the difference between “undetectable” and “non-existent”….there isn’t any.

            Reality is what we can quantify, measure, detect…Period. Science confines itself ONLY to that which can be quantified empirically, measured, detected and for which we can make predictions.

            Your cult can NOTHING of a similar nature…absolutely nothing. You are on the exact same credibility level as those who proclaim Bigfoot exists, pixies exist and aliens abduct people in the middle of the night…exactly the same as you can offer exactly NOTHING to validate your claims.

          • Jean Camille

            Yes, I accept that you have a narrow-minded view of reality

          • pud

            You should quit while you’re behind….you only serve to prove how stupid you are.

            There are no “views” about “reality”….there is only REALITY! You don’t get to make up versions of reality.

          • Jean Camille

            More vomit? Seriously, Pud!

          • pud

            I’m not “hijacking” some guys eulogy I’m putting out there the TRUTH about this snake oil salesman, fraud, conman, charlatan that you willfully delusional and blind sheep are oblivious to. Graham made his living lying to people. He made his wretched living convincing stupid people like yourself that you’re worthless, dirty, guilty, and shameful UNLESS you subscribe to his deranged cult and his invisible, violent, pathological, psychotic invisible and undetectable “god” and the stupid Bronze Age book you dimwits model your brainless lives around (selectively I might add)

            Graham was no hero..he was a liar and fraud. He preyed upon peoples fears and sold them bullshit cures. There is NOTHING good about anyone who leads a cult that demeans its members for the purpose of indoctrination into a stupid irrational superstitious ancient apocalyptic death worshiping freak show.

            People are compelled to belong…they crave groups and will join up with any mass of people regardless of how stupid rather than be independent critically thinking individuals. Your religion is just one in a long long line of group think cults that couldn’t care less about truth or reason and Grahamn was just one of many many cult leaders that sold you what you already wanted to desperately buy.

          • Jean Camille

            What a bucket of verbal vomit!

            Yes, you ARE trying to hijack his eulogy, all to promote your vendetta of twisted lies.

            You say he “sold them bullshit cures.” You are such a hot shot for evidence. So, give us the evidence. Show us the receipts for what he sold. Show us the advertisements for these “cures.” You say, “he was a liar and fraud.” Show us the convictions for fraud. Document the “lies.”

            Pud, you are the liar and fraud.

          • pud

            Is that so? I assume it should be easy for you to demonstrate a single lie I’ve told?….waiting….

            The “cure”…same as Jack sells and every other preacher….Convince people that they are sick, diseased, guilty and “worthy of death” and then sell them the magic cure of “jesus” All your “filthy rags” can be washed lily white if you just join the cult and talk to your new invisible friend “jesus”

            That is a lie and the same methodology every cult uses.

            Beat people down, break them, drive them to tears and in the case of sickos like Graham and Jack…throw in hellfire and damnation if you don’t comply. TERRORISM! Threats, intimidation, mental guns to the gullible heads. The same tried and true methods of every sick ideology and cult that has ever existed

            Graham was a deluded terrorist and abuser of children with his celestial lies and threats. He, like Jack, preys upon people’s deep seated fears and insecurities offering up fake fixes for what ails them….nothing could be more despicable than that

          • Jean Camille

            As I thought. No evidence; just opinion

          • pud

            LOL!

            The EVIDENCE….watch any of Grahams tent revival horror shows or read any of these absurd essays by jack…PROOF!

            You show me anywhere in any of these demented expressions where the object isn’t to cast every reader or listener as a wretched guilty filthy rag and where a magical cure isn’t offered in the form of becoming a member of the dysfunctional cult. waiting….

            Show me anywhere that eternal punishment for being born isn’t screamed unless you conform to their demented ideology offered up without a shred of evidence! waiting…

            Tell me a different definition of terrorism! waiting….

          • Jean Camille

            Yes, I read the articles and I see none of what you say. All I see here is your bitter, twisted misinterpretation.

            Stop demanding things of others. I still have not seen YOUR evidence.

            Enough of this generic stuff. What experiences, what events constitute YOUR evidence?

          • pud

            I’m not misrepresenting anything…and you agree!

            Experiences ARE NOT EVIDENCE! Data is evidence! Things that can be measured and from which we can make accurate predictions are evidence. Feelings and personal experience are NOT evidence, they are not EMPIRICAL meaning independent of ones subjective interpretation.

            My “evidence” as it relates to my comments on this article are what I just told you and what you agreed to! Jack and Graham are fearmongers! They perpetuate the religious cult doctrine of “carrot and stick”….Join my cult! Get into invisible mythical heaven OR ELSE suffer eternal suffering! That is pathological, sick, diseased and it is FALSE because there is NO evidence for a single thing they promote from that ghastly book of yours!

          • Jean Camille

            If you think I am agreeing with you, you are delusional.

            Of course personal experience is evidence. Otherwise, what are witnesses doing in courtrooms?

            If you cannot give accounts and experiences, then you give no evidence, just delusion and misrepresentation.

          • pud

            You are stupid.

            Courts DO NOT determine TRUTH…they determine reasonable guilt or innocence.

            Personal experience IS NOT evidence!

            Answer my questions or we are done…

            Is it reasonable to expect that Bigfoot is real given the “personal experience” and claims of many individuals? Yes or No?

            Is it reasonable to expect that alien abductions are real given the “personal experience” and testimony of many individuals? Yes or No?

            Evidence is NOT an “account” because it is entirely SUBJECTIVE! Evidence must be OBJECTIVE, EMPIRICAL, DEMONSTRABLE, REPEATABLE and able to make predictions

          • Jean Camille

            This is just a head trip for you. I do not agree with your doctrines of truth and evidence. They are too narrow.

            Until you are ready to get down to earth and talk about lived experience, you will stay stuck in this bitter fantasy of yours.

          • pud

            I don’t care if you agree or not…doesn’t change FACTS!

            You CANNOT answer my questions can you? You can’t because you KNOW that they will prove you wrong.

            “Lived experience” IS NOT EVIDENCE as I clearly demonstrated and you completely disregarded by refusing to answer 2 simple questions

            This shows clearly that you do not care for what’s true, evidence, reason or logic. You want to wallow in your beliefs DESPITE a totally rational argument showing that you are WRONG about “experience” being a viable measure of reality.

          • Jean Camille

            Lived experience IS evidence. We can look at any number of facts. It means little until we see how those facts are interpreted. How people behave in real life shows that. You demonstrated nothing except your bias. The questions are so one-sided they are laughable, just one more attempt to weasel your way out of giving any real answers yourself. What lived experiences brought you to this vendetta?

          • pud

            You are HOPELESS!

            Someone “experienced” what they claim was an alien abduction….IS THAT EVIDENCE? Yes or No? Does it offer any reliable verifiable evidence to the claim that aliens abduct people? Yes or No?

            FACTS are not subjective! That’s the very definition of FACTS! they are OBJECTIVE!!

            I’m not writing my life history out here for you….you’ve lost the argument, you prefer being stupid….good bye

          • Jean Camille

            It is not about arguing; it is about being real with our interactions.

            And stop catastrophising. We are not talking a “life history.” We are talking about key events that shape our responses. If you do decide to write from experience, it will not be for me or others; the benefit will be for yourself.

          • pud

            “Rational argument” is not “arguing” it’s presenting a complete analysis of something that is the best illustration of what is actually true.

            You don’t know what you’re talking about.

            I will say this one last time….PERSONAL EXPERIENCE IS NOT A MEASURE OF TRUTH!

            I demonstrated this with my “alien abduction” example. Thousands of people CLAIM to have EXPERIENCED alien abduction yet that offers absolutely NO evidence that they actually occur!

            Lunatics “experience” things…doesn’t make them true! Psychotics “experience” things…doesn’t make them true. Little children “experience” things…doesn’t make them true!

            “Key events” in anyone’s life may explain WHY they think what they do but they are NOT indicative of reality!!

          • Jean Camille

            Your concept of truth sounds like Platonic ideal forms, BTW.

            You and I are coming at this from very different directions. It’s not about finding “a measure of truth.” It is about connecting with the world around us to manage life. And for that, we need to connect with our whole awareness, not just one segment of our brain. That is why I am convinced your stated connection with reality is overly narrow. It’s like printing a colour photo in black and white.

            Why we think the way we do is a critical issue. Much of the time, we use our brain to rationalise the attitudes we formed during key events. Those attitudes govern our lives; we need to be aware of them.

          • pud

            Some of us use our brains more than others. Some actually use it all the time. Clearly you’re a part timer

          • Jean Camille

            My focus is less on whether we use our brains and more on how we use our brains.

            For example, one medical report discusses a mental patient who complained that the aliens were burning his legs. One doctor examined him and diagnosed a disorder that gave a burning sensation in the legs. The doctor administered medication and the patient reported eventually that the aliens were no longer burning his legs.

            In my view, the patient’s explanation and description were fanciful but the burning sensation was real. It was real as a mental experience and real as a neural reaction to disease agents. The disease agents were physically real in responding to physically real medications.

            The point of the report was that an apparent hallucination did have a basis in medical fact. For our part, we need to realize that reality does not fit into a test tube. There are different kinds of reality and they all exist in their own way.

          • pud

            No there are NOT different kinds of reality…there is only what IS real and what IS NOT real. In your example the reality was a medical condition. The delusion was that aliens were causing it. The patient suffered from a delusion and applied a FALSE causation just as you religious lunatics do in your abject indifference to what is actually true and demonstrable.

          • Jean Camille

            Yes, you see reality differently from me. For you, “there is only what IS real and what IS NOT real.” You omit the ‘burning sensation’, the range of personal experiences, just as you omit everything else that will not fit into your test tube. That is why I cannot have a meaningful discussion with you.

            Perhaps you will listen to an astro-physicist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDUmuQA1kNA

          • pud

            LOL!! He is a lunatic!! NOT a legitimate scientist! You’re insane.

            There is ONLY ONE REALITY! Your perceptions of that reality can vary all over the place but reality is OBJECTIVE NOT SUBJECTIVE!

            If you “feel” that you’re floating it doesn’t mean that gravity isn’t reality.

            Personal experiences do NOT define what is real!

            You can perceive that the Earth is flat but it IS NOT FLAT no matter what your feelings or senses indicate to you. DUH!

            Feelings, perceptions and beliefs do NOT define what is real and what is not. Children “believe” in invisible friends and have tea parties with them but they are NOT real…same as you and your invisible undetectable demons, angels, gods etc

            You cannot be reasoned with because you are a prisoner of your cult and its insane, irrational, false and fraudulent claims that DEFY everything we KNOW about the nature of the universe! You want to “believe” your nonsense in the face of all reason, logic and evidence

            That is why discussion with you is impossible….you are willfully delusional and willing to contort any and everything to try and sustain your ridiculous narrative

          • Jean Camille

            Your quotes from Sean Carroll have no specific arguments, just emotive vomit, pretty sickening from a supposedly rational person.
            Was he a mentor of yours?
            But I note you are content to rely on secondary sources, as long as they confirm your biases.
            If you did the work and addressed Ross’s points for yourself, that may carry more weight.

          • pud

            Do some actual homework

            Sean M. Carroll – Wikipedia
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_M._Carroll
            Sean Michael Carroll is a cosmologist and physics professor specializing in dark energy and general relativity. He is a research professor in the Department of Physics at the California Institute of Technology. He has been a contributor to the physics blog Cosmic Variance, and has published in scientific journals such as …
            Institutions‎: ‎California Institute of Technology Fields‎: ‎Physics‎, ‎cosmology‎, ‎astrophysics‎, ‎gen…
            Doctoral advisor‎: ‎George B. Field Awards‎: ‎Andrew Gemant Award‎ (2014)
            ‎Jennifer Ouellette · ‎Poetic naturalism · ‎George B. Field

          • pud

            Ross has NO points except on the top of his demented head! He is a raving lunatic and has NO credibility in the scientific community whatsoever!

            Hugh Ross has a PhD in astronomy and astrophysics, and appears to know what he is talking about – to his credit he has avidly criticized young earth creationists such as Russell Humphreys for their utterly delusional, ad hoc approaches to the distant starlightproblem. On the other hand, his own theologically inspired ramblings aren’t quite founded on science either.

            His attempts to reconcile an old universe with a literal interpretation of Genesis itself engenders some ad hoc hypotheses (the Flood was local, day-age, and so on). Young earth creationist critics of course latches on to that like fleas, failing to realize that ad hoc hypotheses concerning religious beliefs are – for obvious reasons – more easily sustained than scientific ones.

            Ross has even granted that Intelligent Design per today is not a scientific hypothesis and should not be taught in schools. Luckily, he does have his own “testable” version at hand. His view of testability is peculiar, by the way: He claims that “UFO’s come from the Devil”, and points out that it can be tested as follows: “according to the Bible” demons only attack people who dip into the occult and make themsleves vulnerable. Hence, “[a]ll that is necessary to further prove the conclusions of demonic involvement […] is to continue surveying people to ascertain who has encounters with residual UFO’s and who does not. If the demonic idenficiation of the RUFO phenomenon is correct, researchers should continue to observe a correlation between the degree of invitations in a person’s life to demonic attacks (for example, participation in seances, Uija games, astrology, spiritualism, witchcraft, palm reading, and psychicreading) and the proximity of their residual UFO encounters.” (more here). If you fail to see the problems here, you don’t know enough about scientific methodology.

            Ross, however, thinks there are reasons to wonder why scientists won’t test his hypothesis. Oh, of course we know: “One reason why research scientists and others may be reluctant to say that demons exist behind residual UFO’s is because such an answer points too directly to a Christian interpretation of the problem.” Since scientists are atheists, they wouldn’t want to do that, would they? Seems that Ross has borrowed the UFO idea from Norm Geisler; our old friend Gary Bates also has something to say.

            Ross claims that evolution is impossible in anything but bacteria. So how does Ross explain the transitional fossils for large animals? “God loves horses and whales. He knows because of their huge size and small populations that they will go extinct rapidly. When they do, he makes new ones.” That, apparently, is the testable hypothesis supposed to replace evolution. At least Martin Gaskell is a fan.

            Worthwhile responses to Rusty Lopez’s strongly Ross-inspired “testable creation hypothesis” are here and here.

            Diagnosis: The fact that Ross, by comparison to most young earth creationists, comes across as eminently reasonable should not be allowed to obscure the fact that he is a loon. It just tells you more about the profundity of young earth lunacy.

          • Jean Camille

            so now I know you are good at cut and paste. What can I say? Well done.

          • pud

            Facts trouble you don’t they?

          • Jean Camille

            The video was not about UFOs. So irrelevant facts are … irrelevant. I am more interested in your personal response to the video. Then we would be looking at the same material.

          • pud

            I’ve watched this lunatic before and don’t care to again…he’s deranged

            I will address one of his claims which is so absurd it should completely discredit any of his other mindless rubbish

            Assigning probability to life in the universe….he is full of shit….the “fine tuning” argument has been debunked so many times already. The killer is that NO ONE can assign probability to ANY SET OF ONE!

            There is as far as we know only ONE universe so it is IMPOSSIBLE to assign probability to it being the way it is without other universes to compare it to.

            You CANNOT determine probability of ANYTHING without a basis of comparison yet he babbles some made up absurd numbers pulled straight out of his ass

            This alone proves that he is a lunatic.

          • Jean Camille

            His discussion of probabilities never depended on a set of one. The universe itself is a collective. You are not a materialist. Functionally, you are a Platonic idealist. And that argument is one idealised fantasy.

          • pud

            You clearly have comprehension problems.

            1. I am not any “ist” nor do I subscribe to any “isms”

            2. The lunatic puked up fantastic probabilities of the universe existing as it does….the “fine tuning” argument….hello? I said…and ALL mathematicians and scientists would agree with me…that you CANNOT ascribe ANY probabilities when you only have a set of ONE! We have ONE universe and nothing else to compare it to so his assigning probabilities is pure lunacy!

            What don’t you get about this?

          • Jean Camille

            The universe is the set of all the sets. So what? The probabilities always add up to one; every set is a unit. And within that unit, the share of the probability for this planet, configured as it is, is infinitesimally small. Mathematically, it can exist only by design. Even your guru, Laurence Krauss, accepts that now. Move on; get over it.

          • pud

            LOL…you prove my point!

            Let’s do some deceptive demented “christian math” shall we?

            The claim by you lunatics is that the probability of the universe coming into existence as it is …the so called fine tuning farce….is a one followed by a gazzilion zeros

            Tell me what the probability is of you sending this note to me on a Thursday evening at exactly the time you did on the type of computer you have sitting in the exact chair that you were sitting in while thinking the exact thoughts you were thinking and typing the exact letters in the exact sequence in the exact amount of time it took to prove my point.

            Clue….It’s a one followed by a gazzilion zeros!

            Yet it happened as do an infinite number of other impossible things every second of every day

            This is how your cult con men fool the stupid masses and dazzle them with bullshit lies and fraud.

            It’s also another example of why your cult is so dangerous to rational people, freedom and liberty….you are nazis in sheep clothing

          • Jean Camille

            Pud, this is all vacuous garbage.
            At this stage, the only reality relevant to you is the leadership you show your sons. You present here as closed minded, bitter and twisted. If they want a positive, constructive life, they will have to dissociate themselves from that—and you. Forget about all this other garbage and focus on them. They are your real legacy.

          • pud

            Too funny! It isn’t me who wholesale subscribes to a bizarre dogmatic ideology built around Bronze Age superstition …bhwwa!! So who’s really closed minded.

            I’m not bitter at all….you constantly confuse my contempt for you and your sick death cult for other emotions.

            My sons are grown thriving properous intelligent well adjusted critically thinking adults now….I’ve succeeded. They think for themselves and gladly they’ve avoided the traps of this dysfunctional culture and the claws of your perverted religious cults

          • Jean Camille

            Unlikely. Too inconsistent with the rest of your blather

          • Kera Lynn

            Jesus, soften her heart. Reveal Yourself to her and her sons, they are no more undeserving than I. I ask this in Jesus’ mighty Name, amen.

          • pud

            Ooooops! Another swing and a miss jesus! Back to the minor leagues! Oh…wait…feeling a tingling…a warm swelling….URP!! just gas!

            His “mighty” name huh? Can you demonstrate that any “jesus” ever existed?

            Thought not

          • Jean Camille

            I am not asking for an instant reply here; the video is about 90 minutes.

          • pud

            The “special brand of lunacy of Hugh Ross”

            Try some reality for a change

            http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/10/09/reasons-to-believe-creationists-are-crazy/#.WqZ-GuinHrc

          • pud
          • pud

            In case you’re too lazy to click on the links

            Hugh Ross is a “doctor” because he earned a Ph.D. in Astronomy before committing himself full-time to his ministry Reasons to Believe, his vehicle for presenting his abysmal psuedoscientific arguments, such as the idea that the Bible reveals knowledge of modern cosmology it speaks of the heavens being “stretched out like a tent.” I don’t know what he teaches about the “pillars” that are supposed to be upholding the earth or the solid dome that holds up the waters above. And what do other cosmologists think of him? A good example is the leading cosmologist Sean Carroll who wrote about him in his post Reasons to Believe (that creationists are crazy) after hearing him speak at the Origins Conference sponsored by the Skeptics Society. After describing things about the conference that he liked, he gave his opinion of Ross:

            But all of that just fades into the background when put into the same room as the sheer unadulterated looniness of the remaining speaker, Hugh Ross. Despite warnings, I didn’t really know anything about the guy before the conference began. The taxonomy of crackpots is not especially interesting to me; there are too many of them, and I’d rather engage with the best arguments for positions I disagree with than spend time mocking the worst arguments (although I’m not above a bit of mockery now and then).

            So I was unprepared. For those of you fortunate enough to be blissfully unaware of Ross’s special brand of lunacy, feel free to stop reading now if you so choose. For the rest of you: man, this guy is nuts. And he’s not even the most nuts it’s possible to be — he’s an “old-earth” creationist, willing to accept that the universe is 14 billion years old and that the conventional scientific interpretation of the fossil record is generally right. Still: totally nuts.

            Carroll went on to speculate why intelligent skeptics would invite such a ridiculous lunatic, offering this possibility:

            Perhaps the conference organizers wanted to ridicule belief in God by having it defended by Hugh Ross, or perhaps they wanted to energize the skeptical base by exposing them to some of the horrors that are really out there.

            The word “horrors” is not an overstatement. Dr. Ross has been actively contributing to the decay of society for decades by supporting religious delusions with utterly fallacious “reasons to believe.” It should come as no surprise that the subject of my article The Art of Rationalization: A Case Study of Christian Apologist Rich Deem began his career as an apologist under Hugh Ross. Read that article and you will see a detailed analysis of how commitment to delusions literally disintegrates the mind.

            It is for these reasons, and many more, that I have concluded that Evangelical Christianity breeds a contempt for the truth. It corrupts the minds and morals of believers. This looks something like the apotheosis of irony when compared with their claim to worship the truth in the person of Jesus.

          • pud

            I do not “demand” anything from anyone….it’s you who do the demanding and the threatening! I seek the truth and the truth alone. I call out bullshit whenever and wherever I find it and it’s knee deep here!

            Do jack and graham tell people that they are all “sinners” yes or no? Do they tell them that they are “filthy rags” unless they act out some mindless rituals like talking to invisible entities and begging forgiveness…yes or no?

            Do they both terrorize people with the threat of eternal damnation for non compliance? yes or no?

            Do they draw everything from an ancient BOOK filled with stupid impossibilites, hearsay, nonsense and brutality….yes or no?

            Do they have ANY actual evidence to back up ANYTHING they peddle? yes or no?

            Do they slog this shit onto the minds of children who have not even reached the age of reason? yes or no?

          • Jean Camille

            Has it ever occurred to you to examine the whole issue, beyond the bits that confirm your prejudices?

          • pud

            Answer my questions.

            What else is there to “examine”?

          • Jean Camille

            ‘What else is there to “examine”?’ You cannot even see there might be more than your opinion!

            ‘Answer my questions.’ From the one who does not demand! I ask for evidence. You frame your response in questions and then demand I answer your “questions.” What a nerve. You are not only opinionated but slippery too.

            Still no evidence, nothing from real life.

          • Kyra Lynne

            Dude, seriously? “Beat people down, break them, drive them to tears…”
            Is this not exactly what you’re doing? Idk about the tears thing, but everything else. You’re a hypocrite if I ever saw one.
            Praying.
            @trulyfree
            Kyra Lynne

          • Kyra Lynne

            You some seriously good comebacks, girl. I like it 😉

          • Jean Camille

            Why, Thank You … Mind you, how much the heart really does go deeper than the mind! And how is it we can be laughing and weeping at the same time?
            Thank you for being here.

          • Kyra Lynne

            Yes ;). But I truly feel sorry for this person, while I still laugh at their nonsensicle replies that seem to say nothing new or original. We will pray as one body (as it says the church should do in the Bible) for this poor lost person.
            @trulyfree
            Kyra Lynne

    • Kyra Lynne

      Lord Jesus, I pray over this person today. Let his heart be softened towards you, let his ears be receptive to Your voice, let his mind be able to comprehend you loving kindness. And Jesus, I ask that any fear and doubt in his heart be completely erased that he could see Your redemption for his life.
      In the precious name of my Savior, Jesus Christ, amen.

      • pud

        Ooops…nothing happening yet again! Not hearing any voices in my head (a sign of lunacy by the way)

        There’s nothing to comprehend….there is no invisible undetectable agent in the sky reading my thoughts and directing my life

        Stop doing this nonsense and grow up!

        • Kyra Lynne

          Jesus, heal whatever wound in this man’s heart is causing his bitterness towards You and Your disciples. Heal him, that he may learn live in Your perfect love.
          In Jesus’ mighty name, amen.

          • pud

            LOL. psychotic for sure…no wound in my heart and I can’t be bitter against that which doesn’t exist….another failed request!

          • Kyra Lynne

            You can be bitter against me.
            Jesus, I ask you to simply open his eyes to Your existence. Amen.

          • pud

            Not bitter against you…I feel very sorry for you

            Oooops…3 failed requests in a row!

            Why doesn’t “jesus” just show up and end all debate? Your invisible undetectable “god” didn’t have any problem showing up and showing off in days of yore did he?

          • Kyra Lynne

            Jesus doesn’t always answer our prayers immediately. He doesn’t control your heart and mind. Choice, remember?

          • pud

            Is that so? So why ask stupid infantile favors?

          • Kyra Lynne

            We went thu this Pud.

          • pud

            And you still don’t get it. Are you capable at all of even simple reasoning? If “jesus” is going to do what he wants when he wants and I have control over my choices then what good is your silly girl prayers?

          • Kyra Lynne

            He does have the control, He just let’s you make some of your choices…for instance, when we realize how terrible we are at making our own choices, then hopefully we finally turn to Him for direction and guidance.
            God whispers to your heart though His Word, other people (usually Christians), and thins you may see in everyday life. He draws you to Him, so that you can realize that He is real and that He does exist.

          • pud

            Oh…you can of course demonstrate this right?

            The buybull is the words of ancient superstitious men…it’s only you lunatics who make the leap. If your “god” actually wrote or endorsed the words in the buybull then he is a moral monster, endorses slavery, contradicts himself several hundred times….and there would only be one version that EVERYONE would instantly recognize as being the actual word of a deity

            Funny that huh?

          • pud

            ooooo! I get to make some of the choices! Kind of like a slave! Why can’t your “god” speak up…audibly and to your ears instead of the organ that pumps blood?

          • Kyra Lynne

            What I meant in a nutshell: God lets you make your choices; but He can influence them.
            I’m done. See ya!
            @trulyfree
            Kyra Lynne

          • pud

            LOL…Of course young teen age wise one….I’m sure you can demonstrate this to be true as well as you have everything else so far. NOT

          • Kyra Lynne

            Lol I never claimed to be wise…if anyone did, it’s you!

          • pud

            That’s because I am wise. I think critically and rationally and have many years of experience. I don’t drink every cup of kool-aid some stranger know nothing puts out before me young jedi

          • Kyra Lynne

            The Bible says wisdom comes from hearing the Word of God. You, my friend, have knowledge, not wisdom.
            “Great men are not always wise.”

          • pud

            1. Couldn’t care less what some stupid ancient book written by ignorant savages says

            2. Your book also says it’s ok to keep slaves, stone insolent children and that donkeys talk

            LOL…you really need to think about this

          • Kyra Lynne

            I know you don’t. -_-
            Obviously you don’t care about my other comment either….

          • pud

            Don’t know what you’re talking about…nothing new! lol

          • Kyra Lynne

            I replied twice to your comment. I was just saying that I had read some of your other recent comments and that I’d finally found something for us to agree on. Surprise!

          • pud

            And what would those things be?

          • Kyra Lynne

            We agree on the issue of gun control, I think. Unless you change my mind.

          • Kyra Lynne

            Hey, uh, got a question for ya…

          • pud

            Just ask… no need to tell me that you’ve got a question

          • Kyra Lynne

            Okay. It’s an odd question lol.
            So Jack’s telling everyone that you are a teenage girl…(*is extremely doubtful*)…are you?

          • pud

            LOl…jack is delusional…he makes his living lying to children

          • Kyra Lynne

            Uhhh. So you’re not, or you’re just avoiding the question?

          • pud

            I’ve made no secret here that I have 2 sons. So I would have had to get knocked up pretty young eh? LOL Jack must have missed those references or he’s just stupid.

          • Kyra Lynne

            That’s what I thought. And, coming from an millennial, you didn’t sound much like one anyways. Lol I think he probably just missed them.

          • pud

            I think he’s just stupid

          • Kyra Lynne

            Many people would say that about you, sir. Judge not, lest ye be judged.

          • pud

            Well they would be wrong…most likely because they’re stupid

            We “judge” people all the time…you’re a fool if you don’t.

          • Kyra Lynne

            So you judge people by their covers…like you told me NOT to do a while ago?

          • pud

            I didn’t say that. Jack is quite well known to me now. I don’t judge him by his “cover” but by a very long list of essays expressing his views of reality.

            I said that only fools don’t judge people.

          • Kyra Lynne

            When I made a comment about one of the guys on your videos, you asked if I “always judged a book by it’s cover?” I remember, even if you don’t ;P

          • Kyra Lynne

            Apparently you’re not cool with answering…you know you could just say that -_-

          • Kyra Lynne

            But. Reading your recent comments on another site, I think I have finally found something that we agree on.

          • Kyra Lynne

            God can change people’s hearts, if they are willing. But he doesn’t force them to change…there would be no victory in simply forcing you to believe. You wouldn’t be able to fully understand the reality of His beauty.

          • pud

            LOL…if they are willing then they don’t need some invisible undetectable agent mind melding with them do they?

            The “reality” eh…..what evidence do you have that his beauty is reality? Oh…NONE! What evidence do you have that anything you babble is actually real? Oh…NONE!

          • Kyra Lynne

            Bye-bye.

          • pud

            Wait…wait…I’m starting to feel something…tingly…a swelling….oops nevermind…just gas

          • Kyra Lynne

            Ew.

          • Jean Camille

            Aah, so you ARE a windbag!

          • pud

            Unfortunately it requires non stop reasoning with you deluded people to make any headway. You are not sensible, don’t care about reason or evidence, have no interest in what is actually true and are deeply indoctrinated into this vile cult. Add to that the generally low IQ of most of you and it’s no wonder why I have to expend so much effort.

          • Colin B
          • pud

            Low IQ and/or education.

            Your link proves my case. How many “christains” died or were maimed in their “foxholes”?

          • Jack Wellman

            Pray for this poor girl. She can only respond most of the time by copying and pasting and has nothing original. She is not well. Praying for her soul.

          • Jean Camille

            ; )

          • Jack Wellman

            I think Pud’s a teenage girl. I’ve seen some indications of sophmoric comments and words. Pray for this lost little gir.

          • Kyra Lynne

            Uh, Jack, I doubt that. Coming from a millennial, he/she doesn’t strike me that way. But you could be right 🙂

          • Kyra Lynne

            Not to mention that he told me (could be lying) that he has two or three sons….

      • Jack Wellman

        Thank you Kyra for praying for her. Pud is hurting and lost and needs help and our prayers, so let’s pray for her to be saved. She does give out many blessings (Matt 5:10-12).

        • Kyra Lynne

          Of course 🙂 She is actually a very nice person if you get to know her without mentioning any things that may cause controversy.

  • Barrie Beaumont

    I have answered Stephen and introduced a further dimension to this forum. (5days ago)

  • Barrie Beaumont

    This is addressed to pud.

    Pud have you, and despite your dissenting and disagreeable comments, ever considered that Christianity is the true way of living? Has your trolling on Christian forums been caused and driven by a fall out with a church, a family issue or that you don’t like it being forced done your throat. Christians quoting text at you, telling you that you are wrong, to repent and be saved from the fires of hell?

    What is it pud? I know only too well how well meanig Bible bashers can get on your goat.

    I have been a Christian follower for twenty years and, at nigh on eighty one, I am not just a mere follower, I have a passsion which has taken me through theology college and I pursue biblical study, together with church history with as much drive as I can muster. Pud, I have also lived on the secular side of the tracks, and put up with more than enough people who have preached at me to save my soul and keep me from burning in hell.

    Not so long ago I went to an Indepent Baptist Church in a nearby town to see what they were like. I was motivated by the leaflets they had been placing on being born again, and burning in hell in the letterboxes. I reasoned that from the content of the leaflets that they were fundamentalists. I was not wrong, the preacher went on for fifty five minutes on ending up in hell and the frighening aspect of burning. He did not understand hell. He had one Bible commentary and was not college trained. As I was leaving, some men around my age, approached me and asked me how I enjoyed being there. I said I was a bit doubtful about some aspects of the sermon but yes it was ok. They were trying to put a label on me according to their beliefs. They said there was no need to go to theology college and asked about my Bible. I had a New Living Translation with me which they critized saying that the King James version is the only true Bible! I left before they could condem me any more. I feel sad about what I heard and what was said to me. Sad, because it appeared that some of them were, and I will say it, a bit off the mark in their Biblical understanding and interpretation. Knowing the Bible story and the narrative is one thing Pud, knowing what is intended to convey to us today is an entirely different thing. I have a sadness for fundamental Christians who I believe, are not the best example of Christian witness or practice. Some do more harm than good; not to mention some of the religious cults.

    I have blocked you because of the language and abusive statements towards Christianity. You respond to each comment indulging in whatever it is that satisfies you. You are like a lion stalking its prey and sinking your teeth into the most wonderful way of life that exists on this planet. I believe that you turn some people away and off because they have no time for either the language, or the content of your comments.

    Pud, would you be prepared to consider giving your activity a break please, not just for the sake of others, but for you as well. I would not, and could not, place you in comparison to Saul in Acts 9, but if there was hope for a Christian opressor like Saul (Paul) there is an abundance of hope for you.

    Regardless of what you may think about Christainity, is it possible that you could approach Jack Wellman. You say that you are well known to him, and if so, an approach is more than possible.

    I feel that I speak for many commenters who would love to see you change; and ‘love’ is the key pud, the love of God that assists in our understanding.