But there’s so much more! We welcome Tony Jones, one of the founders of the Emergent Christianity movement, to the show. He and Christian recently attended the Subverting the Norm Conference, and Tony stirred things up by subverting the norm of what people were talking about at Subverting the Norm. (He made some critical observations is what I’m trying to say.) If you’re into the soap opera of theologian interpersonal relationships, you’ll enjoy this interview.