Response To an Angry Christian

Why were Stalin and Hitler bad? Was it the moustaches?Several years ago, Mark Shea, a Patheos blogger who writes the “Catholic and Enjoying It!” blog, wrote an article titled “Padding the Case for the New Atheism.” His contempt for what he sees as the atheist position seems barely contained at times. Let’s look at what aggravates Mark so much.

He begins by saying that the New Atheists don’t actually say anything new. Indeed 13th-century theologian Thomas Aquinas only had two objections, and Mark assures us that “every reasonable atheistic argument is a restatement of one or both of these basic points.”

With that buildup, who’s not eager to find this succinct distillation of atheist thought?

Mark’s Two Arguments

1. The Problem of Evil. If God existed, there would be no evil; but there is; therefore, God doesn’t exist. (This isn’t the way that I’d phrase it—I’d say that the existence of evil is strong evidence that an omnipotent and good god doesn’t exist.)

2. Nature Suffices. Natural explanations are sufficient. “God did it” is unnecessary and the God hypothesis is redundant; therefore, we have no need to imagine God.

Mark thinks this is all atheists have to offer. He lampoons atheists pointing out harm done in the name of religion and argues instead “that 20th-century atheists shed oceans of blood dwarfing anything ever achieved by theists.”

I can accept that, but it’s irrelevant.

Men with moustaches might have committed more barbarity in the 20th century than men without. Does that tell us something about moustaches? Hitler was a vegetarian—do his crimes that tell us something about vegetarians? Indeed, men have shed far more blood on all sides of 20th-century conflicts than women. But they didn’t do it in the name of men, Hitler didn’t order the Holocaust in the name of vegetarianism, and Stalin didn’t do his crimes in the name of moustaches.

Similarly, savage 20th-century atheists (I presume he means Stalin and Mao) didn’t do their thing in the name of atheism. Rather, they were dictators who saw the church as a competitor and suppressed it. The church and innocent people were both on the wrong side of these dictatorships.

Atheists and Morality

He next imagines that atheists get tripped up with morality.

Trying to derive a moral universe — any moral universe at all — of Should from a purely materialistic universe of Is turns out to be impossible.

In Mark’s mind, perhaps. Not in mine.

This is David Hume’s is-ought problem. For example, “It is the case that X, therefore, you ought to do Y.” What could replace X and Y to make a sensible sentence?

That’s a provocative question until you ask yourself: if morals don’t come from what is—that is, reality—where do they come from? Imagining a supernatural source for morals demands evidence.

Hume says that you can’t derive an absolute or objective ought from an is, and I agree. This causes no problem because I don’t see any evidence for absolute oughts. It is the case that my moral instinct tells me to help people; therefore, I ought to help people. Problem solved.

Mark continues: the naturalistic view of atheists demands that the biochemical thought process going on inside Adolph Hitler’s head has no greater or lesser oughtness than that in Martin Luther King’s head.

I agree—from an absolute or objective standpoint. But not from mine. And not from that of most people in society. Most of us are happy to weigh various moral stands against our own views and judge them satisfactory or wanting.

My moral instincts are very similar to Mark’s and very similar to those of most other people, which is hardly surprising because we’re all the same species. That’s why we can create a society.

Today’s bull-in-a-china-shop atheists, Mark tells us,

retain a serene confidence that the privileged bits of the moral and rational order looted from the Christian civilization they are laboring to destroy will just go coasting on of their own accord.

Isn’t it quaint how Mark imagines that morality and rationality come from Christianity? As if Christianity presents them to us as a gift. I wonder how he explains non-Christian civilizations that stumble along pretty well. Or how the first civilizations in what is now India, Egypt, and Iraq did fine despite their preceding Christianity by 3000 years. When you consider the morality of Christian civilization, I’m not sure that gives you much to crow about.

And he imagines that Christianity gave us morality and rationality?

Nature Suffices

It’s on to argument 2, which says that natural arguments are sufficient and “God did it” is redundant and unnecessary.

Put briefly, you propose a huge metaphysical hypothesis that Absolutely Everything popped into existence 13 billion years ago with the help of Nobody, but loaves and fishes cannot pop into existence 2,000 years ago with the help of Jesus of Nazareth, despite the eyewitnesses who inexplicably chose to die in torments proclaiming He did.

Wow—so many mistakes, and so little time. First, cosmology doesn’t claim to know what caused the Big Bang. Science says, “I don’t know” without shame. There is no “Time’s up!” after which Yahweh will be declared the default Creator of the Big Bang.

Second, most atheists don’t declare that the miracles of Jesus absolutely didn’t happen, just that that’s where the evidence points. (Given that the myriad miracle claims throughout history have produced no scientifically acceptable evidence of the supernatural and that we have many examples of legends or myths, it’s a pretty good bet that the loaves-’n-fishes story is yet another.)

Finally, the “Who would die for a lie?” argument is weak (I’ve written on that here).

He next mentions the fine-tuning argument. I’ll ignore this for now—this is important enough to deserve a post of its own.

The Muse of Sarcasm seems irresistible to Mark (I hear there’s a 12-step program for that), and he lampoons his version of the positions of various atheists. In one rant, he touches on Richard Dawkins’ statement,

any God capable of intelligently designing something as complex as the DNA/protein machine must have been at least as complex and organized as that machine itself.

Mark is unimpressed and tells us that Thomas Aquinas

addressed your brand new unrebuttable objection nearly 900 years ago in his Summa Theologiae (Part I, Question 3, Article 7).

Yes, he addressed it. No, he didn’t do a particularly convincing job. I’ve written more here, but my short response is: if God is simple, prove it by making one. You don’t have the materials, you say? Okay, then give us the recipe. You can’t even do this? Okay, then don’t claim that you know what makes God well enough to tell us that he’s simple.

Mark wraps up this section with some snarky advice for atheists.

Most of all, overlook the fact that the question you are supposed to be attending to is “whether God exists,” not “whether God is complex.” Ignore the fact that all a theist has to do is show that creation is contingent and therefore necessarily depends on what is not contingent for existence. Do not remind yourself that the theist is not obliged to say he or she understands that non-contingent Being, merely that such a being exists. If all this fails and your reader still thinks St. Thomas is getting the better of you, call your reader a creationist in the same tone of voice you’d use to say, “You left your used Kleenex on my coffee table.”

Why imagine that the universe is contingent? A popular view of quantum physics is that some quantum events have no causes. For example, the alpha particle that comes out of a decaying nucleus has no cause. The probability of this event can be precisely predicted, but that’s it. Given that the universe itself was a quantum particle at the beginning of the Big Bang, maybe universes are also stochastic rather than caused.

(Snarkiness can work, but it backfires when your argument is flimsy.)

There’s more, but let’s pause here before our next dose of Mark’s bitter medicine. Let me encourage you to read Mark’s original paper if you question whether I’m treating his argument fairly.

Part 2.

Forget Jesus.
The stars died so that you could be here today.
— Lawrence Krauss

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  • http://skepticseeker.blogspot.co.uk/ Skeptic Seeker

    Having read the ignorant screed by Mark Shea, I’m just impressed by the level of ignorance.

    First, atheism goes back as far as religion. We just have no writings and as 2,000 years of killing non-believers show, we were never going to get anything out of people who didn’t believe. They were killed by believers.

    We do however have evidence of atheism going back to ancient Greece, which pre-dates christianity. Many arguments form then are still used today. Why? Because they are true. They’re not being spouted in order to convert the religious – which is a lost cause – they’re being used to convince the not-yet-believer. They are being retold again and again the way christianity has been spouting it’s BS for 2,000 years.

    Taking 2,000 years into perspective, what atheism has given us is the Enlightenment, which is a lot newer than anything good christianity has given us. It’s wrestled away the solar system from religious doctrine. What christianity has given us is divisiveness, institutionalized greed, pedophilia and hatred. It’s also given us numerous wars, one over a bucket. Seriously. People killed over a … bucket. Human rights is something that atheism has given us, abolishment of slavery and women’s voting rights. Yes, there were religious people on both sides, but left up to religion, nothing would have ever come from it.

    Mark, like many morons, uses Hitler. Let’s take a look at that. Hitler rejected religion as superstitious, but I have yet to see anything proclaiming atheism. (Stalin would have been a better caricature.) Even if Hitler was atheist, it was christians working the gas chambers. The actual acts of atrocities were committed by christians. I won’t go into how many were killed by christians throughout their bloody, murderous history as they slaughtered any, and each other, for not believing correctly.

    What christendom has given, and particularly the catholic church, is institutionalized pedophilia. Where else can a monster go and get sexual gratification and protection from repercussion? Get caught, get forgiven and moved to a new parish with fresh victims awaiting abuse. If catholics don’t like it being brought up time and again, then they need to fight it from within. Otherwise, they are guilty of supporting it.

    As Mark say, “G. K. Chesterton once remarked that the only response a believer can give to the one who will not understand is ‘You don’t understand.'” And neither does any christian. Just accept it, but don’t reason through it.