25 Reasons We Don’t Live in a World with a God (Part 8)

25 Reasons We Don’t Live in a World with a God (Part 8) March 28, 2018

Do we live in a world with a god? It doesn’t look like it (part 1 of this series here).

Let’s continue our survey with the next clue that we live in a godless world.

15. Because there’s a book called The Big Book of Bible Difficulties

The Big Book of Bible Difficulties by Geisler and Howe is indeed big—it’s 624 pages long. Another in this category is The Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties by Gleason Archer. Another is Hard Sayings of the Bible. Another is Alleged Discrepancies of the Bible. These books try to respond to the many contradictions and nonsense in the Bible to assure Christians that their faith is valid.

Why is the Bible so confusing that this category of book exists? (I want to ask why Christians are content to accept that their all-knowing god couldn’t get his story down simply and unambiguously, but that’s a topic for another day.) The dictates of an actual perfect god would be simple and unambiguous. By contrast, the “perfect” Bible is so flexible that it has spawned 45,000 denominations of Christianity.

We can look just at the four gospels’ accounts of the resurrection to see the problem. When was the Last Supper—was it the Passover meal or was it one day earlier? What were the last words of Jesus? Did zombies rise from their graves when Jesus died? Who buried Jesus? How many women were at the tomb? Did Mary Magdalene recognize Jesus? Did the women tell anyone about what they’d seen? Could Jesus’s followers touch him after he rose? The Bible gives multiple answers to each of these.

The accounts in the gospels don’t sound like journalism or history, but since they must be for most Christians, apologists are happy to step in to reshape the facts to be more agreeable.

We can go beyond these books that try to paper over the Bible’s embarrassments. There are huge books on systematic theology (fundamental Christian doctrine), some over 1000 pages long. The web site GotQuestions.org brags that it has answers for half a million questions about Christianity. And the very existence of Christian apologetics itself admits that God isn’t obvious, despite the Bible’s promise otherwise.

16. Because Christianity can’t be derived from first principles

Suppose you asked Christians about their religion but asked repeated “Why?” questions to uncover the foundation of their claims. Why is God in three persons? Why is a rainbow evidence of God? Why did Jesus have to die to give us access to heaven?

Eventually, these questions will wander their way to the same few foundational answers, where the questions stop: Christianity is the way it is because of tradition, because the Bible says so, because of the insights of or divine revelations to a leader, or some other “Just because” kind of answer. None of this is like a scientific experiment where you could duplicate the procedure to verify the results (or prove them wrong). Religious dogma is believed because of inertia, not because of evidence or repeatability. Its claims aren’t objective, and they can’t be derived from reality.

Imagine that a global catastrophe wiped out all traces of religion and science, but a tiny fraction of people remained alive to repopulate the earth and recreate a scientifically advanced society. They would roughly retrace the steps we took to develop modern science and technology. Of course, they would describe things differently and advance in their own way, but they would duplicate the very same laws of motion, gravity, and thermodynamics; the same theories of evolution, relativity, and the Big Bang; and so on.

But would they duplicate the same Christianity, Islam, Scientology, Falun Gong, Jediism, and all the others? Of course not. Religion is what people say it is. It’s disconnected from objective reality. (More on this here.)

As yet another thought experiment, imagine a naive religious seeker, unaware of the specifics of any organized religion, who meditated or observed his way to Christianity or any other religion. This never happens.

The Bible says otherwise:

For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse. (Romans 1:20)

But the Bible is wrong. That Christianity is ungrounded by testable events argues that we don’t live in a God World.

Which reason will be next? Will we make it all the way to 25? Stay tuned for the thrilling answers to those questions and more!

Continue to part 9.

Leave each one his touch of folly;
it helps to lighten life’s burden which,
if he could see himself as he is,
might be too heavy to carry.
— John Lancaster Spalding

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  • Tony D’Arcy

    “Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die”, seems to me the best advice to be found in the Bible.

    Begorrah ! So much effing begatting !

    • Ficino

      Even an old Pentecostal lady I knew announced, “Ain’t no inspiration in Leviticus.”

  • Theory_of_I

    -“For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and
    divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship,
    so that men are without excuse. (Romans 1:20)”

    Terrorism writ large…

    A Cosmos cobbler built a bomb
    Deus D-i-o
    He blew it up with great aplomb
    Deus D-i-o
    With a poof poof here
    a poof poof there
    here a poof
    there a poof
    everywhere a poof poof
    … … …

  • Michael Neville

    Bob quoted Thomas Paine in the “Christianity Can’t be Deduced from Nature” post linked above. Here’s that quote:

    The study of theology as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and admits of no conclusion. Not any thing can be studied as a science without our being in possession of the principles upon which it is founded; and as this is not the case with Christian theology, it is therefore the study of nothing.

    • Johnny Aardstraat

      Theology is an oxymoron.

      • Michael Neville

        Theology is guessing about what an imaginary critter is thinking.

        • Greg G.

          Theology is the study of what other people guessed an imaginary critter thought.

        • TheNuszAbides

          suppositions which may have more utility as suppositories.

        • Bob Jase

          And always concluding it thinks exactly like you.

        • Greg G.

          I said it.
          God believes it.
          That settles it.

        • Kodie

          Theology is the art of shoveling a pile of obvious bullshit into an arrangement that resembles a legitimate intellectual pursuit.

        • JustAnotherAtheist2

          ….and then claiming you not only found the critter, but you are right about its thoughts.

      • RichardSRussell

        Philosophy is like searching in a dark room for a black cat.

        Metaphysics is like searching in a dark room for a black cat that isn’t there.

        Theology is like searching in a dark room for a black cat that isn’t there — and claiming to have found it.

        Science is like searching in a dark room for a black cat by using a flashlight.

        —anonymous

    • Pofarmer

      To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings.
      To say that the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to
      say they are nothings, or that there is no god, no angels,
      no soul. I cannot reason otherwise: but I believe I am supported
      in my creed of materialism by Locke, Tracy, and Stewart. At what
      age of the Christian church this heresy of immaterialism,
      this masked atheism, crept in, I do not know. But heresy it certainly
      is.

      -Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, Aug. 15, 1820

    • RichardSRussell

      Duly copied for my Quotations file. Thank you!

    • sandy

      “Theology is the study of a subject without an object”- Dan Barker

  • grasshopper

    Christadelphians use the King James bible, but they conclude there is no Trinity, no Satan, that souls have a use-by date, and Jesus was adopted. Boy, did everybody else get it wrong! What the Bible really means is soooooo clear.

    • I’m unclear what you mean by “Jesus was adopted”. The Christadelphian position would be that Jesus was both the son of God and the son of Mary, but was fully human and was not God.
      And Christadelphians draw these conclusions from all Bibles, not just from the King James Bible.
      (source: I was Christadelphian. And yes, we believed we had The Truth).

      • grasshopper

        My in-laws are Christadelphians. The impression I get from them is that Jesus is God’s adopted son – because Jesus was so perfect. And Jesus gets all the praise, not the big cheese.

        • OK, I know there can be considerable differences between different ecclesias, but I’m struggling to see how this fits with what I know. Maybe I’m missing something, but I would have thought Jesus was considered perfect because he was God’s son. And it’s an open area of debate whether Jesus should be prayed to or specifically praised in songs (it certainly happens, but I know my dad argues at length that it’s wrong to pray to Jesus rather than to God, and influential Christadelphian teachers in the past have taken the same line).

          The main point, though, is that yes, Christadelphians use the same Bible to deduce completely different doctrines from mainstream Christianity. At one point, I considered quitting to move to a more normal church, but I didn’t completely like the Bible interpretation of either side. Then I took a shortcut and went straight to atheist…

        • Oh, and relevant to the original point, I just saw this: http://www.thechristiandolphin.com/2018/04/fun-facts-about-christadelphians.html Among other fun facts:

          According to census data from around the world, more people claim to
          follow the “Jedi” religion than the Christadelphian one. In 2011, the
          number of people in Australia alone who put “Jedi” as their religion was
          higher than the total number of Christadelphians in the world.

      • Phil

        But he survived 40 days in the desert without food. No human could last a week. So he must have been god. Then how could satan tempt him with the kingdoms of the world, he already had them so he can’t have been god. My brain hurts.

        • The really confusing factor is that his daddy in the sky is weaker than Superman!

          Numbers 23:22 King James Version (KJV)
          22 God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.

          Adventures of Superman (1952–1958)
          Announcer: Faster than a speeding bullet! More powerful than a locomotive! Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound!
          Voices: Look, up in the sky! It’s a bird! It’s a plane! It’s Superman!
          Announcer: Yes, it’s Superman, strange visitor from another planet, who came to Earth with powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men. Superman, who can change the course of mighty rivers, bend steel in his bare hands, and who, disguised as Clark Kent, mild-mannered reporter for a great metropolitan newspaper, fights a never-ending battle for truth, justice and the American way.
          https://youtu.be/u8x7mZf0kLE

          https://cdn.pixabay.com/photo/2018/02/01/22/14/locomotive-3124200_960_720.jpg

          8 Times Unicorns Were Mentioned in the Bible
          The source text for each of these references gives us the Hebrew “re’em,” which the Jewish Encyclopedia describes as “a wild, untamable animal of great strength and agility, with mighty horns.” If this sounds less like a unicorn and more like a rhinoceros, that’s because many scholars believe these verses likely refer to the African mammal.

          Now I tend to think that a speeding steam locomotive would deliver more raw power than would any single rhinoceros!

          Then we have the item that, while the God of Israel had great difficulty supporting his favorite combatants in warfare when their foes were equipped with iron chariots; Superman can fully bend steel in his bare hands, and steel is an alloy made by mixing iron with carbon; hence it is a byproduct of iron. In many fields steel superseded iron – i.e. iron swords gave way to steel swords and iron-hulled steamships gave way to steel-hulled steamships!

          (BTW, I was drawn into the sphere of the Christadelphians from age 17 to age 21 – that period is a very confronting one in the life of a western male teenager!)

  • Kevin K

    I was thinking about this just this afternoon … because you don’t have to attend weekly classes to reinforce the existence of gravity or electromagnetism. Only religion has to keep exhorting their adherents to believe. If it were real, it would be as self-evident as a light bulb shining when you flipped the switch.

    • Otto

      “Scientists do not join hands every Sunday and sing “Yes gravity is real! I know gravity is real! I will have faith! I believe in my heart that what goes up, up, up must come down, down, down. Amen!” If they did, we would think they were pretty insecure about the concept.”
      ― Dan Barker

      • Kevin K

        Here I thought I was being original. Nothing new under the sun, I guess.

        • Greg G.

          That’s not even the first reference to Ecclesiastes in this article’s comments:

          http://www.patheos.com/blogs/crossexamined/2018/03/25-reasons-we-dont-live-in-a-world-with-a-god-part-8/#comment-3828716725

        • Otto

          I remember sitting in church when I was about 12-13 and thinking that the concept of Hell seemed rather over the top, almost immoral. I couldn’t quite get myself to admit it was immoral because I figured it just had to do with me and I just didn’t understand correctly. As I got older other philosophical issues would pop into my head, they all added to my doubts but again, it was just me, I didn’t think anyone else thought what I was thinking. Then the dam burst later in my adulthood and I started reading all the arguments against Christianity, and imagine my surprise that the thoughts I had were issues philosophers and apostates have been talking about for literally centuries, albeit much more eloquently.

          The bottom line is I still think you deserve some credit…;)

        • An argument, perhaps, that the internet will help skeptical theists explore the issues much better than they ever could before.

        • Otto

          Absolutely agree, without the internet I would most likely still be a nominal Christian with cognitive dissonance.

        • Cozmo the Magician

          That proves it! The internet IS Satan!

      • Michael Neville

        I believe in the old adage: “What goes up better dogone well stay up.”

        • Cozmo the Magician

          (: Oh boy does that bring back memories.. Aint played S.M.A.C. in ages.

        • Michael Neville

          Oh good, someone else knows SMAC (the quote is the company motto of Morgan Gravitonics).

        • Cozmo the Magician

          Yup, just replied to somebody else about that. Morgan has some of the best lines in the game (;

        • Otto

          What is SMAC?

        • Michael Neville

          Sid Meier’s Alpha Centauri, it’s a 1999 turn-based strategy computer game. If you’re familiar with the Civilization games you know that one of the ways to win those games is to launch a colonizing expedition to Alpha Centauri. SMAC is the game involving the colonists. There’s also an expansion called SMAX for Sid Meier’s Alien Crossfire.

        • Otto

          Yep…I am familiar with the games a bit but I never played them. I should, it is a game I would probably like

        • Cozmo the Magician

          Sid Meiers Alpha Century. Turned based stategy game. One of the cut scenes for tech achieve (orbital space flight) has a faction leader say “What goes up , better damn well STAY up”.

        • Greg G.

          I wish the Chinese space lab engineers had played that game.

        • carbonUnit

          Some of us DO enjoy some Up&Down on sundays… But that is usually in private (;
          “What goes up better dogone well stay up.”

          But not for more than four hours…

      • Cozmo the Magician

        Some of us DO enjoy some Up&Down on sundays… But that is usually in private (;

    • Johnny Aardstraat

      Yeah but, every week there’s a new perspective to explore. And new problems to pray for. And maybe new seasons to celebrate. But most of all …. new money to put in the plate. And ye shall be rewarded in heaven. See y’all back here next week so as to save y’all from the eternal fires of hell and damnation. Now, really, gravity is pretty insipid up against all that. And electromagnetism never did any miracles.

    • Bob Jase

      I did skip the lesson on gravity and though it had stopped applying to me partially – turned out I had just lost some weight.

      • Greg G.

        I found that to be true when I stopped drinking carbonated beverages so much. I speculate that if I stopped drinking all liquids, I would be completely released from the effects of gravity.

  • Bob Jase

    Why, the nature of god is so obvious that the Jews all became Christians right from the beginning when the mythical Moses led the mythical exodus into the mythical great kingdom of Israel.

  • RichardSRussell

    Let me also praise The Encyclopedia of Biblical Errancy by C. Dennis McKinsey, a compilation of his many essays thru the years under the collective heading “Biblical Errancy”.

  • Cozmo the Magician

    I just love the whole idea of the ‘all perfect infallible god’. He makes 2 living doll people and can’t stop them from breaking the only rule he gives them. Years later the whole world (a) is so full of his mistakes he decides wash it all away with a big bucket of water , and just save the tiny bits he thinks is A.O.K. Oops, that don’t work out so good. So THEN he does some special effects with herbage and gives one special snowflake god craved rules that if everybody follows things will be totes 100% AOK. The rocks he carved the rules on are promptly destroyed, so he makes ‘The Rules 2.0′ (or is this 3.0 since the original was just “don’t eat that’) but of course THAT don’t work either. Many years later he decides to get all personal and come to Earth as a semi-mortal and personally tell people how to get things right. He has himself nailed to a cross so that he can punish himself for all the mistakes people (NOT HIM) made and gives them NEW rules to follow ‘Believe in me, and you go to heaven’. This is yet ANOTHER epic fail as this creates thousands of splinter groups. I wouldn’t buy a birdhouse from this guy. I sure as heck would not trust him to run a world.

  • Einstein

    Hello everyone. It seems like title of this article does not fit its content. Is this to prove that a god does not exist? Or is it to ridicule Chirsitianity? Is it not bias to put only the opinions against Christianity? What about other religions? As Newton has said, an object at rest will remain at rest unless acted upon an external force. Does that mean nothing caused the creation of the world? Or does this mean that Newton’s first law of motion isnincorrect? Does this really mean there is no god?

    • Kodie

      Christians think the US is a Christian nation, you dope. Of course, you don’t think you’re wrong, you don’t think you’re bad, you don’t think you’re intrusive. I don’t know what “kind” of denomination of Christianity you believe, but this has obviously upset you. You are very far behind, but what about the “first cause” necessarily leads to Jesus?

      Your religion is a superstition. This blog is about Christian claims because they are the most common to Americans and the most likely to intrude on reality, compassion, whatever, in the US. Why aren’t you a Muslim? Is it where you were born, or some other BIAS.

      • Einstein

        To get to the point. What I’m saying is that a god does exist whether it is from Christianity or not. I was saying that there should be a god IF we follow the Newton’s law of motion. And basically, what I’m trying to point out in the first part is that the title does not fit its content. Why not make it more specific.

        • epeeist

          I was saying that there should be a god IF we follow the Newton’s law of motion

          You do realise that scientific theories (of which Newton’s “laws of motion” is one) are descriptive and not prescriptive don’t you?

          Secondly, you do realise that these “laws of motion” only apply at particular scales and are essentially special cases of more general theories, in particular quantum mechanics and general relativity (both of which Einstein had a hand in formulating).

        • Greg G.

          I was saying that there should be a god IF we follow the Newton’s law of motion.

          We have quantum mechanics and relativity now. Following Newton’s laws only will lead you to errors. Using a Newtonian GPS would leave you stranded in the desert if you were trying to drive to Las Vegas.

          Try reconciling quantum mechanics and relativity first, then see where that leads. Maybe the reconciliation will lead to more unknowns that will have to be solved first. We perceive time through thermodynamic processes but the directionality of time is different at the quantum level and the passage of time is different at relativistic velocities.

        • Kodie

          I am saying you didn’t learn about Newton’s law of motion in school, you learned it from a Christian* who uses science as more of a sales art than a course of study. What other science do you know about, or are you limited by your religion from learning what science really is and how it learns what it finds out about our universe? If you aren’t educated, or you are turned against what your government-funded public education tried to “indoctrinate” you, you’re a sucker who can’t tell who is telling the truth now. They’ve got you. If your religion is lying about science, what else is it lying about? Isn’t it fun how Christianity loves to invoke Newton but gets all squirrely about Darwin, and all of a sudden, science is a conspiracy against god? If you are at this place in your thinking, you are a total sucker for marketing of superstition.

          *Probably a Christian. You didn’t like Christianity in particular being picked on at this blog, so you are not a deist.

        • Michael Neville

          Could you be more specific about how you get from an obsolescent physics theory to the existence of gods?

    • It’s to answer the question, What would it take for you atheists to accept that God exists? What it would take is for all these reasons to not exist.

      The focus is on Christianity because in my country (the US), Christianity is the bull in a china shop, thrashing around society and causing problems.

      If you have specific arguments that you think give strong evidence for Christianity, sure, bring them up (maybe one at a time).

    • Greg G.

      Does that mean nothing caused the creation of the world?

      Do you think that a cause acting on nothing produces an effect?

    • Michael Neville

      Does that mean nothing caused the creation of the world?

      Define “nothing”, “creation” and “world”.

      Or does this mean that Newton’s first law of motion isnincorrect?

      Newton’s laws are incorrect at high velocities. You might want to learn something about relativity and quantum mechanics.

      Does this really mean there is no god?

      Do you have any evidence that gods (note the plural, there’s more than your favorite deity) exist? The lack of evidence for any gods strongly suggests that gods do not exist.

    • Chuck Johnson

      “Does that mean nothing caused the creation of the world?”

      There are many things that caused the creation of the world.
      Not one single thing.
      Our world is still being created even as I type this.

    • Joe

      What about other religions?

      Do you know of any that are any more true than Christianity?

      As Newton has said, an object at rest will remain at rest unless acted upon an external force.

      The irony of somebody with the profile name Einstein citing Newton is probably lost on you.

      Does that mean nothing caused the creation of the world? Or does this mean that Newton’s first law of motion isnincorrect? Does this really mean there is no god?

      In order: Nonsensical. No. Who knows?

  • Chuck Johnson

    Imagine that a global catastrophe wiped out all traces of religion and science, but a tiny fraction of people remained alive to repopulate the earth and recreate a scientifically advanced society.

    Here’s how Isaac Asimov imagined that scenario:
    http://www.astro.sunysb.edu/fwalter/AST389/TEXTS/Nightfall.htm

  • > As yet another thought experiment, imagine a naive religious seeker, unaware of the specifics of any organized religion, who meditated or observed his way to Christianity or any other religion.

    I was an atheist for over a decade until observations indicated that I was in error. I am aware of the specifics of numerous religions however – but “field observations” indicate the proposition of “no superhuman intelligence present in Earth’s environment” is false.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABFluvd5FQM

    • If you want to summarize any point from the video, go ahead. I didn’t watch it.

      You say that you think that there is evidence for the supernatural? I see none. You’re welcome to share this evidence.

      • Well, if you didn’t view the data presented, I suppose you would not be privy to the data. I’m a young earth creationist and I walk into a biology class and the professor on day one within 2 minutes of class start says evolution happened and I say “I see none of this evidence” and walk out before dropping the class – confident the Earth is 6000 years old.

        But here a pictorial factoid collage for you.

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b69628b33816379cc03c77590463a8cb8372c1b04c86499a9fc4d0546a4e28c3.png

        • confident the Earth is 6000 years old

          Yeah, that’s how I do it, too. It is inconvenient for there to be cars in the street, so I just walk across without looking. Who needs evidence when you’re surrounded by a reality distortion zone?

      • Point is, my title is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. That title doesn’t come from money or biological family or followers or military conquest – it is who I am because that which is God is extant.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpkCV7VTiRI

        • Michael Neville

          Instead of grandstanding (no, we’re not impressed), do you have an argument to make?

        • I believe the data I’ve given you speaks for itself. I’m not “grandstanding” – I appear to inherently be a divinely appointed “chieftain.” I have my suspicions that that which is god, being observed extant, is related to dark matter and energy – but that is only conjecture based on “divination” not something I am capable of scientifically evaluating.

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/003d3c36a206951b98e20c23e2a3472d1189ce7d652c285bbfda5f86f69284d1.png

        • Kodie

          Oh, you like coincidences and think they are secret codes speaking to you….

        • No, I know the difference between a coincidence and something that happens by intelligent non-human intent.

          It’s the difference between presuming there is no god and dismissing any evidence there is one and looking at anomalies that are extremely unlikely without the presence of a superhuman intelligence and actor and concluding there is one. Only one of these courses of action is appropriate logical thought.

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/718f002f8b6f73a0f5304b2e620acf22f4293e1f3b26feb85c6ebdf028d719fc.png

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ii3T-gyrw4

        • Kodie

          No you really don’t.

        • Well, logic and reason have rules, so you welcome to tell me where I have erred if you would like to make any specific claims. As it is, I have provided you anomalous data that ought to be considered given its nature as anomalous. You have provided a blanket assertion that “because there’s no god, it’s not anomalous.”

          https://vimeo.com/265864881

        • Kodie

          You leapt to your conclusion because you don’t know how statistics work.

        • Well, I’m not an expert in statistics, but I did get an A in the statistics course I took – I also aced differential equations and I aced logic and critical thinking so I’m usually pretty good at procedural reasoning. I know there is a superhuman intelligence present in Earth’s environment for certain.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNCEiy88ObI

        • Michael Neville

          I appear to inherently be a divinely appointed “chieftain.”

          So you’re a self-appointed “chieftain”. You couldn’t even get a watery bint to toss a scimitar in your general direction. As I said, we’re not impressed with your grandstanding and your opinion of your own self-importance is highly inflated.

        • Yeah, I got that one too. I have no real sense of self-importance, I’m just relaying facts. You’re welcome to deny those facts if you please – the vast majority of the human species chooses to live in a fantasy world.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMI5MLxAZdo

        • Let’s look at this logically. The Imperial Cults of Earth have a recorded history dating back 5000 years and that doesn’t include all the numerous Kings throughout history who have claimed divine backing. 5000 years ago there was really no reason to be an atheist at all due to the lack of scientific nihilism in nearly any culture.

          And, yet, we have Kings from pre-European South America, to Ancient Egypt, to Ancient China and Japan claiming to be gods.

          Now, there are three main possibilities to consider for why they would choose to make this claim.

          1. Nihilistic political opportunism.

          2. Delusion.

          3. Good reason.

          Nihilisitic political opportunism is almost certainly not likely as the person is already King and everyone already believes in gods – there’s a hair’s breadth difference between saying “the gods will punish you for killing the King” and saying “the gods will punish you for killing a god who is also the King.” Furthermore, the knowledge required to be a nihilist isn’t really available to Kings of that era – they have no real reason to attempt to deny a soul exists or an afterlife – their knowledge of 3-space neuroanatomy is limited to “mushy wrinkled thing in skull.” So, the risk of divine retribution should preclude nihilistic political opportunism as a reason to claim to be a god in 3000 BC.

          So that leaves delusion and good reason as options for a King to claim to be a god.

          I posit I have good reason and I present that good reason. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d4191c8f7af0a82dd3c6cab8ac95ff9a309bd602cfa5a54e0b57364d52d0e523.png

        • Michael Neville

          Pardon me, sir, you must have mistaken me for someone who gives a damn about your self-justification for your grandiose narcissism.

        • Is your middle name Poe?

        • You’re saying I’m a Poe? Truth be told I was an atheist for over a decade. I started a subreddit for The Imperial Cult of Rome as an atheist. It was during this time I discovered that which is God is real and had appointed me “a god.”

          After I discovered this, I discovered the fulfilled “prophecy” from Shakespeare of the Pyramid of Giza’s latitude containing the first 6 figures of the speed of light. Julius Caesar was a god, the Great Pyramid is a tomb for the God-King Khufu.

          Point is (royal) you/we are anthropologically deviant monkeys because of the Jewish book. Among most tribes of humans it is normal to afford the highest honors and treatment to the chieftain of the tribe. The foundational principle of this civilization is “I heard a story about a talking burning bush so I’m more important than the High King of Egypt.”

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8-asUt1uEM