"Our Parent One, who art in heaven…"

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The words “mother” and “father” will be removed from U.S. passport applications and replaced with gender neutral terminology, the State Department says.

“The words in the old form were ‘mother’ and ‘father,’” said Brenda Sprague, deputy assistant Secretary of State for Passport Services. “They are now ‘parent one’ and ‘parent two.’”

A statement on the State Department website noted: “These improvements are being made to provide a gender neutral description of a child’s parents and in recognition of different types of families.” The statement didn’t note if it was for child applications only.

The State Department said the new passport applications, not yet available to the public, will be available online soon.

Sprague said the decision to remove the traditional parenting names was not an act of political correctness.

“We find that with changes in medical science and reproductive technology that we are confronting situations now that we would not have anticipated 10 or 15 years ago,” she said.

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Suddenly, Dr. Suess seems like a brilliant prophet.

Comments

  1. Yes, I can see your point. Abba was taught by Jesus and so it is very important to say ‘Daddy’, because that’s what Abba I understand means. Abba became ‘Father.’

    Some of us women see this male hegemony as a distortion of this Godde of ours who is really beyond male and female even though we have been made in God’s image, women and men.

    A patriarchal system that has supported, and still is in so many areas of life, the domination of women by men. Just as one instance, look how hard it is to make our legal system and most of us look at rape not as the woman’s fault?

    So yes, I can imagine your distaste for this Parent One Parent Two, particularly if you do not accept the possibility that two men or two women may love each other and adopt children. It must then look like a mad mad world to you.

    I see so much madness and nastiness coming from that small beautiful word Abba…

    I don’t doubt one minute, however, that God/Godde, Daddy/Mammy in heaven, loves me, his/her divine creation, and all my struggles with the world in which I live.

  2. Claire there is no question that God loves you.

    It’s a shame you don’t understand Catholicism, because if you did, you would find anything BUT “male domination”, and also the beauty behind the imagine of the “Father.”

    Please don’t hate what you don’t know, at least for your sake Claire.

    There are a lot of things I don’t know, but one of the things I DO know is that ‘feminsim’ isn’t our friend, and Catholicism, properly understood, is anything but male domination.

  3. pagansister says:

    Personally I have no problem with the change. The name(s) of who raised the person applying for a passport will be answered no matter how it is worded. Some will put a woman and a man’s name and some will put 2 womens or 2 2 men”s names. Some may only have 1 name of a parent. No big deal as far as I can see.

  4. pagansister says:

    OOPs, the above certainly shouldn’t be 22 men’s names!

  5. It is a passport application, not a prayer. Quite a difference.

  6. This is absurd and ugly. I am father to my children.

    pagansister, why shouldn’t it be 22 men’s names? If two men can be married and the parents of a child, why not 22? After all, isn’t this about defining ourselves and our relationships, rather than the Church or government imposing definitions of such on us? I think your slip rather makes the point of how absurd and ugly is this policy.

    The State Dept could have handled this in so many different ways. This is just about the worst solution. But, what else could we have expected from our government, so intent on shaping our souls according to it’s mold? One wonders when the opportunity to describe ourselves as “father” and “mother” will no longer be a legal option when dealing with the government. I have renewed admiration for those who, when filling out government forms that ask “Race?” answer “Human”. Let the revolution begin!

  7. The United States is becoming more and more a perverter of the Western world. What are you American Catholics going to do about it? Even Nazi’s and Soviets with all their atrocities rank lower than you as a killer of the unborn and warper of the family than you nation. You idiots do not seem to grasp that your ridiculous Oprah culture is aped across the world! When will the cultural marytrs of American stand up for the Faith! You voted Obama in. Get rid of him!

  8. I’ve never answered the race question, because it shouldn’t be asked. I feel deeply offened when I see such questions on governement forms … and I’m white. It really bothers me because I’ve seen the hurt and damage of discrimination first hand. BTW, I’ve never had a problem on any application form when I refused to answer the question by leaving it blank.

    Also, since I’m over 18, I’ll never answer the question about my parents. It shouldn’t matter to the government.

  9. Just because Jesus said ‘Father’ isn’t the only reason that father isn’t an important name for us to use. I’m a father, not a mother, the words for humans are important. If you want to be accurate say
    ”Blessed Trinity” who art in heaven, hallowed be they NAME……!!
    You get the idea.

  10. If you realize that its only for identification to protect you, the applications are in good use.
    I even tell them my mothers maidan name

  11. This isn’t limited to the secular world. This sort of gender-less language has infiltrated the Church in a big way, at least in my experience. Daily in more and more churches that I attend, I hear things like the changing of the masculine pronouns referring to God specifically in His person of Father with the genderless (at least in English) “God.” So when the priest says, “Let us give thanks to the Lord,” the response often heard is, “It is right to give God thanks and praise,” even though the liturgical prayers are directed at God the Father.

    To Bud, you miss the point entirely. The Our Father isn’t being directed at the Trinity, not in the way you are indicating. It is through the Son that we pray to the Father, in the Holy Spirit. It is precisely the fullness of our being children of the Father that Jesus has revealed to us, and it is through our incorporation into the Body of the Son that we become children of the Father.

  12. pagansister says:

    BobRN: It’s just another government form. Of all the forms one fills out for city, state, federal govenment, taxes, licenses of all kinds, I don’t spend too much time worrying about how they are worded. Forms for passports are just one more. I’ve fill them out 3 times already, so when I do it the 4th time, the new wording will be on it. No big deal. You know you are the father of our children, so why worry if the passport office knows you have the the title? I’m the mother of my children, but I really don’t care if the word appears on the passport application.

  13. pagansister says:

    BobRN: Father of Your children—typing too fast!!!

  14. I think the reason is more like for the children of gay and lesbian…. mum and mum… or dad and dad ?????

  15. pagansister,

    First, thanks for the quick clarification re: “our” children. I feared Margaret reading that and demanding an explanation! ;)

    I will only say that words matter. Ideas have consequences.

    “Father” is not my title. It is who I am to my children.

    The passport office represents our government. You’re not really suggesting that it doesn’t matter if the government knows that I am my children’s father, are you? Yes, yes, I know that “parent” is synonymous with “father or mother” (except that it doesn’t specify the sex of the parent, which is the point, really). But my point is that this is a case of two things: 1) the government claiming the right of defining my relationship with my children, rather than merely recognizing my relationship, 2) in order to appease the demands of a vocal and favored minority. A classic case of tyranny of the minority.

    The idea that the government has the right to define my relationship with my children, rather than merely recognizing it, is ominous considering the reach of the state in many nations where children are regarded as the responsibility of the state first and of parents only second.

    Put together a chain of “no big deals” and you can end up with a very long chain.

  16. Paula Gonzales Rohrbacher says:

    So am I Parent 1 or Parent 2? I wonder if that means that our kids, instead of being our son and daughter are Child 1 and Child 2.

    Maybe we should all start going by numbers, like the character in Peanuts!

  17. BobRN, you are exactly right. It matters a great deal if the government thinks it has the right to declare that two men raising someone else’s children or two women raising someone else’s children (or even two same-sex parenting partners raising the child who is biologically related to only one of them) is *exactly* the same as a heterosexual couple’s natural relationship with the children who are the biological offspring of both of them together–a type of relationship that precedes the modern state, and will long outlive it. And with this passport decision, the government is deciding that heterosexual biological parenthood is a mere social construct of a heretofore heteronormative society which must be denigrated and disrespected before a new, genderless society can be created.

    We keep inching closer and closer to Huxley’s “Brave New World,” in which the words “father” and “mother” are obscene words, and all human gestation takes place in a laboratory as babies are created to be raised by the state–no parents necessary.

  18. Interesting article and not one I had heard anything about before.

    Thank you for bringing this to our attention, Sir. It is yet another artifact of the amoral times we live in as prophesied in our Lord’s scriptures.

    That said, my son decided in the last presidential election here in the United States that voting for a liberal government here in the United States would help speed up the eventual collapse of American society and help speed the return of Jesus Christ and the Millennial Reign.

    Now, for those of you who either don’t care about this evidence of our amoral society, or approve of it, you will only get what you deserve if you don’t repent.

    Beware! Our God, whose Name is Jealous, is a jealous God. (Exodus 34:14) Your desires for the carnal and earthly will be too well satisfied. He will (if He hasn’t already) given you over to your carnal natures and your only hope at that time will be to repent and confess your sinfulness to the Holy one of Israel whom you gave gave lip service to but did not rightly serve with your WHOLE heart.

    Remember the words of the Lord, “If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.” (2 Chronicles 7:14)

  19. @Erin: You have spoken a deeper truth than you perhaps realize: “no parents necessary”. The logical extension of all the “Death of the Family” policies and practices, in vitro, abortion, same sex marriage, child sex selection, embryonic stem cell research, genetic manipulation, sperm donor registration and egg donations, surrogacy, “gay” rights, feminist studies and philosophy, etc., is viewing something like this as merely words on a form.

    All it takes is one generation, a mere twenty five or so years, for the memory of what was natural to be obliterated from our collective minds. Do you doubt? Think then of a time when there was no such thing as a $13 billion dollar a year business in pornography; a time when it was not accepted by men and women as a healthy form of entertainment for the home. That’s merely one example.

    We should look forward happily to the day when our government’s Department of Sentient Production issues directives that henceforward a word such as “issue” or a term such as “conceptive product”, followed by a number, will replace child and children, and those produced in S.P. Centers will simply be issued numbers in a series prefixed by “M” or “F”, or “B” for both…a much more efficient use of materials.

    Progress is so much to be disired. It cleans up the mess God should have paid attention to. As a matter of fact, that progress exists is the best proof of God’s non-existence.

  20. Linus, K.C., Ks says:

    I’m getting to the point that when I learn of anything coming from the State Dept or any other federal Dept that I am hearing the voice of some Al Quida representative – the type of voice that considers its agenda as some form of divine revelation and entirely above and superior to human reason and established, time tested, and legal precedent. Make no mistake, we are dealing with the worst types of radicals here who will stop at nothing to press their agenda home.

  21. fresh iced tea says:

    Am I the only one who upon reading this thought immediately of Dr. Seuss’ The Cat in The Hat, with Thing 1 and Thing 2?

    [No, Fresh. I mentioned it at the end of my post :-) Dcn. G.]

  22. Joseph Ruzicka says:

    If Parent 1 is distinguished from Parent 2 for no other reason than it being the first one counted in a series of two parents, what happens to the significance of having only two parents? Why not Parent 3 or 4 or more?

  23. pagansister says:

    BobRN: I totally understand your viewpoint, honestly I do. But if one stops to think about it, most folks are already “numbers”—now starting with babies needing a SS#, when (now I sound Old) originally folks didn’t need a SS# until they started a job. We are numbers to the government already, as well as banks, credit card accounts, investments, at work for our paychecks, driving licenses, health insurance, life insurance and numerous other places, to many to mention. No surprise that this has started with Passports. I know you are proud that you are Your children’s father, and they know it as, of course, your wife. The government really doesn’t care, rightly or wrongly. If there was something that could be done about it, well and good, but I would rather be concerned about things I might be able to change. I am not a fan of just being a number in the whole scheme of things, but at the moment you and I are just 2 of many with several numbers as our major defining identification.

  24. pagansister,

    I see what you’re saying, but … (you knew there would be a “but”, didn’t you?) .. I think you’re mixing apples and oranges.

    When the government or bank or credit card company identify me by number, it’s for proper identification and security reasons. I actually appreciate this because it helps to make sure my payment goes to the correct account and it distinguishes me from others who may not be as upright a citizen as I. For instance, I was recently taken aside by my pastor and informed of several episodes of drunk driving and drug use on my record that raised a big red flag because I was teaching 7th grade CCD. My SSN helped to clear this up. It was another person with the same name, same city and even the same birthdate (month, day AND year). Wow!

    This change by the State Dept has nothing to do with proper identification or security. In fact, this is completely seperate from the passport number your child will be assigned. This is for nothing other than imposing on people political and social ideology. The State Dept even says so. There is no legitimate identity or security reason for this change. It’s pure ideology.

  25. pagansister says:

    Point will taken, BobRN. and yes, I knew there would be a “but”. :o) The story about the fellow with your name and everything else the same is—scary! Guess that SS# is useful after all.

    Enjoy your Friday and coming long weekend, but since you are a nurse,(RN) I expect you don’t always get “holidays.”

  26. Personally I think “Our Parent in Heaven” is not such a bad idea considering the fact that God has no gender, race, or age (unless you firmly believe that God is an old White man).
    As for the passport applications, I don’t really care, honestly. I’m just thankful that I know the names of my parents. Some people don’t have the luxury of knowing the name(s) of their parent(s).

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