Quote of the day

“Governor Andrew Cuomo and the state legislature have deconstructed the single most important institution in human history. Republicans and Democrats alike succumbed to powerful political elites and have passed legislation that will undermine our families and as a consequence, our society…

…I have asked all Catholic schools to refuse any distinction or honors bestowed upon them this year by the governor or any member of the legislature who voted to support this legislation. Furthermore, I have asked all pastors and principals to not invite any state legislator to speak or be present at any parish or school celebration…

…Republicans and Democrats equally share responsibility for this ruinous legislation and we as Catholics should hold all accountable for their actions.”

– Brooklyn Bishop Nicholas DiMarzio, on the new gay marriage law.

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Comments

  1. If you want to know why I am no longer Catholic, the hate-filled viciousness of Bishop DiMarzio is a good indicator. God has triumphed in New York; Satan has been defeated.

  2. naturgesetz says:

    Bishop DiMarzio put it very well when he also said, “This issue has been framed as upholding marriage equality. This is not the case since one of the principal purposes of marriage is to bring new life into the world. This cannot happen in same-sex marriage. ”

    I’m glad he is calling for the protest by Catholic institutions.

    The only thing that makes this less bad than what has happened in several other states is that it was a duly elected legislature passing legislation, not some judge twisting the words of a constitution to pretend it means something its authors never meant.

  3. Jonathan Carpenter says:

    Did you hear all the stars celebrating the decision as a “victory for tolerance.” Define irony: movie stars who engage in the worst sort of Anti-Catholic bigotry are seen as promoters of tolerance.

  4. Unapologetic catholic says:

    does the Bishop have any comments about the Church’s handling of the sex abuse situations in Philadelphia or KC?

    Until he expresses similar concern about his own institution, I really don’t care what he says. he’s a clanging gong because he is without love.

    Begone.

  5. The message from the Bishops didn’t strike me as either hate-filled or vicious. Yet, it was strongly worded and forceful in telling the truth of what has happened in New York State.

    I saw on television the people who were celebrating on the streets of NY and elsewhere upon hearing the news. They didn’t look like or behave like my family, friends, and neighbors. And they obviously didn’t represent the “More than half of all New Yorkers [who] oppose this legislation.”

  6. Fred Miller says:

    Mike, I’m sorry that you feel hatred. We all sin and fall short. The sinner is never to be hated, but what turns us from God, i.e., sin, is to be avoided. The Church cannot say that good is evil or that evil is good. That would not be the truth.

    One can never really be a “former” Catholic as you have at your disposal the ability to return to the graces available in Christ’s church, particularly through reconciliation.

    I will pray for you. Please pray for me.

    Luke 6:27-28

  7. Actually, defending the Biblical traditional position is the only loving, caring and protective thing to do. Scripture, science research, CDC statistics as well as medicine, mental health clinical practice and police reports are congruent with Scripture about the matter of homosexual practice and same-sex couples rearing children.

    This supposed victory, will be a bitter one in the end. What has happened is equivalent to giving in to the fictional children who have incessantly begged to ‘stay up all night and drink 66 six-packs of doodle delight’. (Dr. Seuss, ‘The First of Octember’)

  8. Cont’d:
    They do not see that down the road, these same demanding children will demand from NY/Fed tax dollars and feel entitled to:
    - IVF, sperm donors, surrogate mothers, and other costly procedures for lesbian and gay couples to become parents.
    - sex change surgical procedures.
    - treatment for mental (depression, suicide), physical (44X increased incidence of STDs, increased risk of cancers), behaviorial and alcohol, drug abuse problems correlated with deviant sexual desires, behaviors and lifestyles which studies show do not diminish with cohabitation and increased societal approval.
    - health care for children of same-sex couples, IVF, sperm/egg donor and surrogate parents who also have increased risk of mental and physical health problems.

  9. Cont’d:
    The violation of God’s design, laws, word and boundaries always results in negative consequences – costly to us, taking a toll of spirit, soul (mind, will, emotions) and body as well as upon individual and societal economic health.

    Tragically, there will be hell to pay.

  10. ron chandonia says:

    The Times is crowing that the Church lost big-time on this one because Archbishop Dolan was outsmarted and all-too-eager to come across as friendly to the Cuomos:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43535553/ns/politics-the_new_york_times

    And what price do the so-called “compassionate” and “principled” Catholic supporters of this legislation pay? They can’t speak at the grade-school graduation at St. Closed-Next-Year. If I were in the mood to sell my soul, I’d say the price was well worth paying.

  11. awashingtondccatholic says:

    I am glad to hear that His Excellency DiMarzio has stood up and stated what needed to be stated.

    AD MULOS ANNOS BISHOP DiMarzio!!!

  12. awashingtondccatholic says:

    ooopppss….

    AD MULTOS ANNOS BISHOP DiMarzio!!!

  13. Peregrinus says:

    The bishop states that the governor has deconstructed “the most important institution in human history”. Might not a strong argument be made that the Church is the most important institution in human history?

    I’m not clear how gay marriage will undermine our families. I could perhaps understand an argument that this is not in accord with God’s will, but what exactly is meant by undermining families? Does the bishop expect divorce rates among straight couples to increase as a direct result of this legislation?

    The bishop states that “one of the principal purposes of marriage is to bring new life into the world. This cannot happen in same-sex marriage.” Is it possible to understand “new life” not simply as literal, physical reproduction, but rather as spiritual and emotional as well?

  14. ron chandonia says:

    I’m going to assume that Peregrinus is a sincere Catholic and not a troll. If so, and if he is really confused about how gay marriage undermines families, not to mention society as a whole, then we are witnessing a failure of catechesis–possibily on a grand scale. This ought to be cause for serious soul-searching and appropriate action.

  15. To equate homoseuxal behavior choice with African American equality is a very cruel event given to us by judges who legislate from the bench. To use one of three reconstrcution amendments to the constitution and say that this gives all people the same rights and include behavior choice in this new freedom right is another sign that the legal system has been corrupted by liberals and deviant behavior. I have yet to have anyone who can tell me why based on this same legal argument that a grown mom cannot marry her grown son, a brother cannot marry his sister, or a man cannot marry as many women as he wants if all are adults and in consent or the reverse of this with dad marrying daughter, etc. In fact, since animals have no rights, if a guy wants to marry an animal, by what right can the law now defend not allowing this. The argument of long standing legal and religious beliefs seem to have nothing of value in the homosexual question according to those who favored this deviant behavior being given a special rights not given to those mentioned above. They are not legal now, but neither was sodomy and in fact, homoseuxal activity was considered a serious illness by the medical community only a few decades ago. Does anyone doubt that others with those strange behavior choices are not going to argue based on the approval of this deviant lifestyle be given special rights that they also deserve special rights as well? The New York Legislature should have but this to a ballot vote and let the court deal with the mess they have created. We need a marriage amendment now and this should be front and center in 2012. If we do not, this downward trend will soon find all deviant behavior being given speical rights.

  16. Peregrinus says:

    Thank you Ron. I am indeed not a troll (not to my knowledge at least).

    Could you point me in the direction of some resources that explain why gay marriage undermines families? Or perhaps explain yourself?

    Much appreciated!

  17. Donal Mahoney says:

    Perhaps Bishop Hubbard will put all of this in perspective for us in a homily the next time Governor Cuomo and his girlfriend pop in for Mass.

  18. ron chandonia says:

    Peregrinus asks where a Catholic should go to learn the Church’s teaching on marriage and family. I suggest the fifth chapter of the Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church as a good starter, followed by JPII’s Familiaris Consotio. With those as background, go back and read what our own bishops have written on the topic.

  19. Ron chanadonia:
    i do not think that peregrinus asked where to find the Church’s teachings on marriage and family, but he was asking you where to find the church’s teachings on how exactly gay marriage undermines hetero marriage/family.

    perhaps you will find time to answer his question?

  20. KUDOS to Bishop Demarzio but he could have been a little stronger.

  21. Now this Bishop, Nicholas DiMarzio has courage and is defending his faith. You could learn much from this man, KANDRA!!

  22. ron chandonia says:

    Anthony, Peregrinus’ question cannot be answered in a combox. The Church’s authoritative teaching on the vital importance for society of TWO MARRIED MALE/FEMALE PARENT FAMILIES is well presented in the texts I recommended. The New York law makes legal–and therefore normative–a very different understanding of marriage and family. In that sense, it undermines the natural family to the detriment of the common good.

    I’m pretty sure you won’t like it, but this is the definitive magisterial text on the issue:

    http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html

  23. Mr Chandonia,
    you wrote:

    “he is really confused about how gay marriage undermines families, not to mention society as a whole, then we are witnessing a failure of catechesis–possibily on a grand scale.”

    All that was asked was a simple question of HOW it undermines families. if you had an answer, i do think it could be given in a combox. all that was asked was a simple question, and a simple answer would have been adequate.

    without knowing anything about me, about my views on this topic or my background why would you jump to the conclusion that you are pretty sure i would not like the text you linked to?
    again it was just a simple question to your statement.

  24. naturgesetz says:

    Anthony, not all simple questions have adequate simple answers. For example: How are planets formed? Why shouldn’t I kill people I don’t like? Why should I obey the law? People write books to establish the principles or explain the processes involved.

    Any simple answer, such as, “It devalues the relationship between marriage and parenting, and it suggests that family relationships depend solely on the affection of the members for one another,” or anything of that sort, would probably lead to the question, “How so,” or “What’s wrong with that,” or both.

  25. naturgesetz says:

    Unapologetic catholic #4

    A.) The bishops of the United States have established rules (which some people think are too strict) to prevent further abuse as far as is humanly possible, and to deal with any instances which do occur. Bishop DiMarzio is one of those bishops.

    B.) Bishop DiMarzio is not in charge of the Church of Philadelphia. He is in charge of the Church of Brooklyn.

    C.) Are you seriously telling us that if Bishop DiMarzio had issued a statement expressing concern about what’s been going on in Philadelphia, you would have no problem with this statement from him? Yeah, sure.

    The abuse scandal has become a convenient pretext for lots of people to dismiss out of hand anything from the hierarchy that they don’t like — despite the fact that the abuse crisis has nothing to do with the matter at issue. It’s getting old.

  26. naturgesetz,

    i disagree that a truth cannot be presented in a simple way.
    of course it is a challenge and it takes insight and vision.
    Christ himself did so much of his teachings with simple parables and metaphors.

    a simple answer is not the end all, but it can open the door for the other to take a second look or listen more deeply and then maybe they will ask for more dialogue on the topic.

    the current gay law in NY state comes from the legislative branch. meaning that, if the majority of the people in the state are unhappy with it, they can elect a majority that will change the law.

    the pro gay marriage movement has been able to win many to their side these past 15 years by presenting their cause as a matter of equality, justice and rights.

    it would seen to me that those who want to make traditional marriage the norm, need to present the truth in a very simple way also that will help others to look again at the issue from a new perspective. right now the traditional side is mostly preaching to the choir, being naysayers, or preaching at people. and it has not worked. the challenge is for them see the big picture and the real vision, keep it simple and creative and hopefully others will be open to look again and then want to enter into more dialogue that will, hopefully, lead to new understanding.

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