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		<title>Comment on Vanity of Vanities by sjay</title>
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		<dc:creator>sjay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 22:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Social engineering is fascinating.  I would never be tricked by a message such as the one you got, but one telling me I owed money on some credit card or another would enrage me and probably get me to click through  because for the last several years I have been debt-free and proud of it.

&lt;strong&gt;[Now, that right there, sir, is a fantastic observation.  Everyone&#039;s got a hook.  Being a successful scam artist means figuring out what hook is going to snare the greatest number.]&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Social engineering is fascinating.  I would never be tricked by a message such as the one you got, but one telling me I owed money on some credit card or another would enrage me and probably get me to click through  because for the last several years I have been debt-free and proud of it.</p>
<p><strong>[Now, that right there, sir, is a fantastic observation.  Everyone's got a hook.  Being a successful scam artist means figuring out what hook is going to snare the greatest number.]</strong></p>
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		<title>Comment on Vanity of Vanities by Kristen inDallas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristen inDallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 15:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t feel too bad. Hackers are clever... I suffered the same fate a few months ago when a friend sent a message &quot;OMG, you have to listen to this song&quot; and link. 5 years ago I knew better than to open a link without a reasonably articulate explanation. But given that iphones, twitter and facebook have degenerated most of our conversations to that point... for some reason it seemed legit. Anyway, I think naivette is endearing (probably because I suffer a dearth of it). :) Live and learn. It&#039;s just a facebook account after all, and possibly a computer. It&#039;s a bit harder to hack the stuff that counts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t feel too bad. Hackers are clever&#8230; I suffered the same fate a few months ago when a friend sent a message &#8220;OMG, you have to listen to this song&#8221; and link. 5 years ago I knew better than to open a link without a reasonably articulate explanation. But given that iphones, twitter and facebook have degenerated most of our conversations to that point&#8230; for some reason it seemed legit. Anyway, I think naivette is endearing (probably because I suffer a dearth of it). <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/diaryofawimpycatholic/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Live and learn. It&#8217;s just a facebook account after all, and possibly a computer. It&#8217;s a bit harder to hack the stuff that counts.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Fair Play for the Girl Scouts! by Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 01:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it a bit incredible that anyone would benefit quite so much by her Girl Scouts experience as suggested here. Girl Scouts do not get the intense experience offered in other clubs. It&#039;s pretty mundane actually &amp; the emphasis is mostly just on activities &amp; crafts with a bit of camp here and there. It&#039;s a bit far-fetched to think Girl Scouts could actually somehow forge a girls character some how. This article also implies that investigation by the Bishops is somehow wrong or unfair. I&#039;d like to point out that as a mother of 3 daughters I&#039;d appreciate the peace of mind in knowing that my dollars and/or volunteer hours as well as my trust in sending my daughters to GS were not in any way tainted by their complicity in something so intrinsically evil as Planned Parenthood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it a bit incredible that anyone would benefit quite so much by her Girl Scouts experience as suggested here. Girl Scouts do not get the intense experience offered in other clubs. It&#8217;s pretty mundane actually &amp; the emphasis is mostly just on activities &amp; crafts with a bit of camp here and there. It&#8217;s a bit far-fetched to think Girl Scouts could actually somehow forge a girls character some how. This article also implies that investigation by the Bishops is somehow wrong or unfair. I&#8217;d like to point out that as a mother of 3 daughters I&#8217;d appreciate the peace of mind in knowing that my dollars and/or volunteer hours as well as my trust in sending my daughters to GS were not in any way tainted by their complicity in something so intrinsically evil as Planned Parenthood.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Fr. Williams and the Grind of Celibacy by DWiss</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 17:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was young, in elementary school during the 1960&#039;s, priests were held in high regard socially. The pastor of our parish was a monsignor, and he went everywhere in a cassock. No one thought that was odd. I think (but cannot know for sure) that he was aided in his celebacy by the support of the community. He was respected and revered.

Now, most priests move in society without their collars unless they are on official business. Altough, the priest who presides over the weekly men&#039;s bible study that I attend usually wears a sportshirt to our meetings. Maybe he assumes that we know who he is, or the 6:30 am start time means that he stumbled from bed to the meeting. Point is, he looks no more priestly than I do.

Also, even most of the Catholics that I know view priests with a little bit of confused suspicion. Could be that&#039;s the result of the ongoing scandals. I think it&#039;s because we can no longer imagine, as a society, somone voluntarily giving up sex. We&#039;re not conditioned to consider sex as part of life anymore. It IS life. That old school community support of priests has gone away.

The celibate life has to be more difficult than ever, if for no other reason than the way women dress at Mass. I&#039;ve seen some things, yes I have. We are a sensual people, and those who choose a different way are considered to be more &quot;different&quot; now than in the past.

Like most Catholic young men, at a point in my life I considered the priesthood, but I knew that there was no way I could live the life. Now, very rarely, when I&#039;ve been praying hard, I get a glimpse of a life lived attuned to God&#039;s glory, and then I can imagine having done it. But that state is impossible to sustain, and when I&#039;m back in my normal blundering, lurching ways, I know that it was a grace to have been pointed to the life of a husband and father. (Ask my wife though - she&#039;d be the expert on the matter.) Maybe successfully celibate priests can live in that awesome moment of spiritual clarity, but they&#039;re not supported in it by the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was young, in elementary school during the 1960&#8242;s, priests were held in high regard socially. The pastor of our parish was a monsignor, and he went everywhere in a cassock. No one thought that was odd. I think (but cannot know for sure) that he was aided in his celebacy by the support of the community. He was respected and revered.</p>
<p>Now, most priests move in society without their collars unless they are on official business. Altough, the priest who presides over the weekly men&#8217;s bible study that I attend usually wears a sportshirt to our meetings. Maybe he assumes that we know who he is, or the 6:30 am start time means that he stumbled from bed to the meeting. Point is, he looks no more priestly than I do.</p>
<p>Also, even most of the Catholics that I know view priests with a little bit of confused suspicion. Could be that&#8217;s the result of the ongoing scandals. I think it&#8217;s because we can no longer imagine, as a society, somone voluntarily giving up sex. We&#8217;re not conditioned to consider sex as part of life anymore. It IS life. That old school community support of priests has gone away.</p>
<p>The celibate life has to be more difficult than ever, if for no other reason than the way women dress at Mass. I&#8217;ve seen some things, yes I have. We are a sensual people, and those who choose a different way are considered to be more &#8220;different&#8221; now than in the past.</p>
<p>Like most Catholic young men, at a point in my life I considered the priesthood, but I knew that there was no way I could live the life. Now, very rarely, when I&#8217;ve been praying hard, I get a glimpse of a life lived attuned to God&#8217;s glory, and then I can imagine having done it. But that state is impossible to sustain, and when I&#8217;m back in my normal blundering, lurching ways, I know that it was a grace to have been pointed to the life of a husband and father. (Ask my wife though &#8211; she&#8217;d be the expert on the matter.) Maybe successfully celibate priests can live in that awesome moment of spiritual clarity, but they&#8217;re not supported in it by the world.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Fr. Williams and the Grind of Celibacy by Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 16:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It would, of course, be an obelisk&lt;/i&gt;

:: spit take ::</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It would, of course, be an obelisk</i></p>
<p>:: spit take ::</p>
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		<title>Comment on Fr. Williams and the Grind of Celibacy by Kristen inDallas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristen inDallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 15:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles does have a point, but....
You ever notice how sometimes things become much harder to avoid AFTER you officially swear them off?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles does have a point, but&#8230;.<br />
You ever notice how sometimes things become much harder to avoid AFTER you officially swear them off?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Fr. Williams and the Grind of Celibacy by Charles Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 12:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, my!  The horrors of celibacy!  Please.  Here&#039;s a secret.  Many, many people - not even religious people - are celibate.  They include the infirm, the socially awkward, those with huge workloads who never seem to have time for a relationship, those who have to take care of infirm parents/siblings.  Let alone the married people whose spouses are also infirm. 

Celibacy is not some major burden, which is nearly impossible to carry.  I know our sex-obsessed society likes to portray that image, but millions of ordinary people live through celibate lives because of the slings and arrows of life.  I would expect those who make a religious promise or vow to be able to also live that life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, my!  The horrors of celibacy!  Please.  Here&#8217;s a secret.  Many, many people &#8211; not even religious people &#8211; are celibate.  They include the infirm, the socially awkward, those with huge workloads who never seem to have time for a relationship, those who have to take care of infirm parents/siblings.  Let alone the married people whose spouses are also infirm. </p>
<p>Celibacy is not some major burden, which is nearly impossible to carry.  I know our sex-obsessed society likes to portray that image, but millions of ordinary people live through celibate lives because of the slings and arrows of life.  I would expect those who make a religious promise or vow to be able to also live that life.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Fr. Williams and the Grind of Celibacy by Thomas R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 12:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Thomas Merton got out of responsibility very early in life as to such “fathering” and went on to Catholic accolades because we seem to be about how does a person write. &quot;

I thought he was forbidden to be a priest for a time for that. Also I think I read Augustine had an illegitimate kid. 

As for the other thing I don&#039;t expect priests to be virgins, but I do think they should obey their vows wants they&#039;ve made them. Forgiveness is important, but I&#039;d have a big problem discovering a priest had some mistress. (Or mister I suppose) Now if I found he landed on some sexy movie while flipping through TV channels, and lingered too long, I would likely find that easier to forgive. I&#039;m not sure that&#039;s theologically appropriate, but policing where your mind goes can be difficult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Thomas Merton got out of responsibility very early in life as to such “fathering” and went on to Catholic accolades because we seem to be about how does a person write. &#8221;</p>
<p>I thought he was forbidden to be a priest for a time for that. Also I think I read Augustine had an illegitimate kid. </p>
<p>As for the other thing I don&#8217;t expect priests to be virgins, but I do think they should obey their vows wants they&#8217;ve made them. Forgiveness is important, but I&#8217;d have a big problem discovering a priest had some mistress. (Or mister I suppose) Now if I found he landed on some sexy movie while flipping through TV channels, and lingered too long, I would likely find that easier to forgive. I&#8217;m not sure that&#8217;s theologically appropriate, but policing where your mind goes can be difficult.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Fr. Williams and the Grind of Celibacy by Robert King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 18:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Sipe, though his intentions are good, tends to the sloppiness of overenthusiasm. His 50% figure is based on the extraordinarily loose definition of &quot;clerical celibacy&quot; by saying: &quot;Clerical celibacy precludes absolutely any willful sexual release.&quot; In other words, viewing pornography and/or masturbation are included in that figure. And while these activities are plenty scandalous in themselves, it is misleading to conclude that half our clergy at any given time are &quot;canoodling&quot; with someone else. Indeed, it&#039;s a good deal better than the cynical saying that 95% of men say they masturbate and the other 5% lie about it.

All that said, your point that the struggle should be honored, even when they (and we - for we&#039;re all called to chastity) fail in it, is well taken.

&lt;strong&gt;[Sipe&#039;s also no great fan of mandatory celibacy, which tends to bias his conclusions, if not his findings.  But yeah, that was my main point: priests are worthy of admiration not because they&#039;re perfect, but because they make a good-faith effort.  At least I&#039;m compelled to think that most of them do.  Those, like Maciel, who were nothing but cynical from the get-go, have got to represent a minority.]&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Sipe, though his intentions are good, tends to the sloppiness of overenthusiasm. His 50% figure is based on the extraordinarily loose definition of &#8220;clerical celibacy&#8221; by saying: &#8220;Clerical celibacy precludes absolutely any willful sexual release.&#8221; In other words, viewing pornography and/or masturbation are included in that figure. And while these activities are plenty scandalous in themselves, it is misleading to conclude that half our clergy at any given time are &#8220;canoodling&#8221; with someone else. Indeed, it&#8217;s a good deal better than the cynical saying that 95% of men say they masturbate and the other 5% lie about it.</p>
<p>All that said, your point that the struggle should be honored, even when they (and we &#8211; for we&#8217;re all called to chastity) fail in it, is well taken.</p>
<p><strong>[Sipe's also no great fan of mandatory celibacy, which tends to bias his conclusions, if not his findings.  But yeah, that was my main point: priests are worthy of admiration not because they're perfect, but because they make a good-faith effort.  At least I'm compelled to think that most of them do.  Those, like Maciel, who were nothing but cynical from the get-go, have got to represent a minority.]</strong></p>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Flowerday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 18:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The bishops’ investigation is pastoral and reflects fatherly concern for their precious daughters who have to make tough choices between culture and counter-culture.&quot;

This is fair enough. But ...

If EWTN and other Catholics are found to have circulated misperceptions, misunderstandings, and even lies about the GSUSA, then one would hope in the interest of pastoral concern, that the investigation would widen. Can we count on that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The bishops’ investigation is pastoral and reflects fatherly concern for their precious daughters who have to make tough choices between culture and counter-culture.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is fair enough. But &#8230;</p>
<p>If EWTN and other Catholics are found to have circulated misperceptions, misunderstandings, and even lies about the GSUSA, then one would hope in the interest of pastoral concern, that the investigation would widen. Can we count on that?</p>
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