Robert O'Brien Nominee: Rick Santorum

Look at this gem from an interview with Piers Morgan:

SANTORUM: I think just because we disagree on public policy, which is what the debate has been about — which is marriage — doesn’t mean that it’s bigotry. Just because you follow a moral code that teaches that something’s wrong doesn’t mean that — are you suggesting that the Bible and that the Catholic Church is bigoted? If that’s what you believe, fine. […] Well, I shouldn’t say — not fine. I don’t think it’s fine at all. I think that is contrary to both what we’ve seen in 2,000 years of human history and Western civilization, and trying to redefine something that has been — that is — seen as wrong…I think is in itself an act of bigotry.

I’m not suggesting that the Bible and the Catholic Church are bigoted, I’m bluntly declaring it. For crying out loud, how many pogroms has the Catholic Church declared in its history? He doesn’t even know the history of his own church.

Is the Bible bigoted? It says that gay people should be stoned to death. If that isn’t bigoted, what on earth possibly could be? The only argument one can make in response to that is to say that God is the one who said it. Well fine. Even if that’s true, it doesn’t mean the Bible isn’t bigoted — it just means God is a bigot. It means that God created gay people only to want them put to death.

And ironically, the ones today who most want to see that commandment put into practice are Calvinist Reconstructionists, who can’t argue with that logic because they believe in predestination. The only thing they can do is agree that, yes, God created people for the sole purpose of seeing them stoned to death or, failing that, sending them to hell to burn for all eternity for doing exactly what he created them to do.

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  • http://cheapsignals.blogspot.com Gretchen

    I’m not a fan of a characterization of the Bible and the Catholic Church as bigoted that relies on the assumption that people are born gay and hence created that way by God (if such a being exists). Not because I think they’re not born gay, but because bigotry doesn’t have to be based on circumstances of birth. It can be based on a characteristic– such as homosexuality– which cannot be logically linked to the trait you’re ascribing to the entire group by virtue of sharing that characteristic– such as immorality.

    Homophobes are bigots because being gay does not make you a bad person, period. I would be a bigot if I said that knitting is a sin and therefore all people who like to knit are bad people. I would still be a bigot if I had been saying so for 2,000 years, and I would still be a bigot if I had founded a church in part based on that belief.

  • eric

    Ha! That’s a funny quote. He starts out claiming that his negative position about someone else isn’t bigotry, and by the end of his rambling he’s accusing people with a negative position about him to be bigots.

  • Michael Heath

    In last evening’s debate Rick Santorum came across as a bitter moron. His body language also came across to me that he’s an extremely repressed individual, especially his facial expressions.

    I think there’s a great analogy for this group of GOP presidential candidates, the approach and marginal changes in policy development executed by the Central Committee of the USSR from the Brezhnev to Gorbachev era as their country’s economy weakened.

    However one major trending exception between the two is that Gorbachev’s Central Committee colleagues predominately respected Mr. Gorbachev’s approach and stands, conceding they were mostly far superior to their legacy while our analogous counterpart – they embraced the reform he represented. Jon Huntsman will instead most likely be quickly forgotten by the Spring of 2012 (I hope I’m wrong) as example of a past dead era. Especially since Gov. Huntsman represents the past GOP they’re most ashamed of in spite of the fact the Republican’s governing success hinges on Huntsman’s approach or better. This opposite trend suggests that American conservatism is in worse shape than the 1980s USSR Central Committee approach to governance – especially since the USSR in the 1980s had far more difficult and complex problems given the incompetence of the Communists/Stalinists prior to that era.

    One of a handful of reasons I find Mikhail Gorbachev analogous to Jon Huntsman is that both remained committed to their political ideology while openly expressing its flaws. Both also attempted to solve their problems within their political ideology’s respective framework. I find both of their approaches equally flawed so while I compliment Gov. Huntsman relative to his competition, it’s faint praise. However I also find Mr. Gorbachev’s flaw on this matter small potatoes given the context he operated within, so small I consider him one of the five greatest and most successful leaders of the 20th century. Our relative freedom in the U.S. provides no valid excuse for conservatives to continue to promote policies proven to have failed in the past, which Mr. Huntsman also does, e.g., his argument we need more tax cuts, less spending, and less regulation to turn around the economy. That argument is essentially arguing for the Bush economy without the spending; guaranteeing results far more catastrophic than the damage we can contribute to Bush and the late-1990s/2000s Republican party.

    While the economy will make it difficult for Obama to get enthusiastic support, the GOP platform seems made to order for him to provide a compelling reason why we should support him instead of the GOP nominee. Especially since the rhetorical rebuttal to what I heard last evening is simple, resonates, and is already being used by the President. That being, ‘Why would we want to return to the policies that got us in this mess?’. The fact the public still blames the Republicans helps Obama; obviously the GOP reaction seen last evening is to blame Mr. Obama for our current state, avoiding what their own party did in the 2000s and how the GOP has successfully obstructed Obama from doing much of anything.

  • biggusdickus

    Joseph Atwill has convinced me that bigotry is the fundamental purpose of Christianity. The religion was invented as a replcement for the militant messianic Judaism that rebelled so expensively against Rome. So, in addition to poviding a peaceful messiah who would turn the other cheek, it also deliberately fomented hatred against Jews. This might only be a plausible conjecture except that as Atwill has discovered, the canonical gospels have Jesus’ ministry in the Gallilee paralleling the military campaign of Titus Flavius, that culminates in the encirclement and seige of Jerusalem and the razing of the Temple exactly as “prophesied” by Jesus. That is, no stone was upon another, and it was exactly 40 years after the ostensible prediction, so that some then present would have been still living.

    As I said this might only be guesswork, perhaps plausible or crazy according to one’s own sensibilities, except that the Roman ruling Flavians who commissioned the gospels also issued an official history of the Jewish rebellon to decode it. We know this history as Bellum Judaicum (The Jewishh Wars) by Flavius Josephus, the adopted member of the imperial family who had a life-saving revelation upon his capture that Vepasian was the true messiah of the Jews.

    Atwill’s book, Caesar’s Messiah, is now a free download at esnips, or an excellent new edition is avalable as an ebook for Kindle or from Scribd.

    This is a discovery that’s being systematically overlooked by the MSM, unsurpisingly. However it’s a mystery to me why the outspoken atheist community are also missing it.

    I hope you will look into it. You have to actally read the book to see the persuasiveness of the argument. It rests on the quality and richness of the many literary parallels between Josephus and the gospels.

  • hunter

    Sadly for Santorum, the Catholic church’s past does not equal 2,000 years of human history. In fact, there’s a lot more even to European and American history than his church and its biases.

    And to echo Gretchen above, “Fine, so your church says it’s OK to be a bigot. That means your still a bigot.”

  • arakasi

    If Santorum wishes to use the Catholic Church’s teachings on morality to oppose same sex marriage, then why does he not call for de-legalization of divorce? If he feels that Catholic teachings with regards to marriage need to be enshrined in secular law, why does he ignore the issue that touches upon about half of the marriages in this country to focus on one that would apply to a few percent of the population? (Yes, I know. He’s a hypocrite, that’s why)

  • MikeMa

    That Santorum’s campaign has proceeded as far as it has is a severe indictment of a tent big enough to accept bigots, haters and morons. Santorum is not alone as a beacon of imbecility. Bachmann, Perry, Palin, and others burn bright as warnings that people who support them are not the people you want to have with you, even at the cost of power.

  • Aquaria

    are you suggesting that the Bible and that the Catholic Church is bigoted?

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    OMFG! Comedy gold!

    Rick, you missed your calling!

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • Aquaria

    If that’s what you believe, fine. […] Well, I shouldn’t say — not fine. I don’t think it’s fine at all.

    Isn’t Santorum the guy who brought home his dead stillborn child and had his 483 kids handling it?

    Rick… Dude… You don’t get to talk about whether or not other people’s beliefs are fine when you not only molest dead fetuses, but also think it’s dandy for parents to encourage their kids to do the same.

    This guy is creepier than Hitler.

  • Akira MacKenzie

    Yawn. It’s just a reiteration of the classic “if you call me a ‘bigot,’ that make you the real bigot,” canard.

    Sorry Senator Frothy Mixture, any church or institution That portays or treats a group of consenting adults as an “abomination” because of who they want to have sex with is bigoted. Your church is bigoted. Your Bible is bigoted. You, sir, are a bigot and hiding behind your imaginary man who lives in the sky doesn’t make it right.

    Also, citing the last 2000 years, which is filled with Church-sponsored ignorance, tyranny, and bloodshed, does not help your religion’s case either.

  • Tabby Lavalamp

    If I’m bigoted for loathing the Bible and Catholic Church for their vileness and harm both have caused for the entire existence of each, then sure, I’m bigoted. I’m also bigoted against Nazis, but that doesn’t make me a bad person. It just makes me bigoted against bad people. Rick Santorum can rick santorum for all I care.

  • jamessweet

    are you suggesting that the Bible and that the Catholic Church is bigoted?

    I believe this is what the kids these days are referring to as “major lulz.”