Gingrich Talks to God

At Jim DeMint’s presidential forum on Monday, Newt Gingrich was asked how he would make major decisions as president. He mostly babbled in response:

I think anyone who would not face the most serious questions by asking God’s guidance and God’s grace and asking God’s help would be a person who totally misunderstood the nature of life and who would be dangerous holding a major office.

So, I think — I would hope anyone would answer you by saying, in a truly big decision, or, frankly, small decisions — I find myself very often praying just before I speak or just before — there are — having — seeking God’s guidance strikes me as being the heart of whether or not you can survive in a world of danger and in a world of temptation and in a world where evil always lurks.

I wonder if he sought God’s guidance before he gave speeches railing against Bill Clinton’s infidelity while he was having an affair with a staffer behind the back of his wife while she battled cancer? Maybe God was out of the office that year. I’m sure God approved of it. After all, he only did it because he loves America so much.

I wonder if he consults with God before he sends out all those fraudulent fundraising scams, like those meaningless “awards” given to a “select few” doctors who had bravely fought against health care reform — if only they come to Washington and pay $5000 to be at the awards dinner. Or the one where he gives awards to entrepreneurs if, once again, they make a generous donation to him. That one was particularly popular with strip club owners and porn company executives. I’m betting God was okay with those two, since they mirror so closely the many scams used by televangelists to separate the credulous from their money.

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  • Pierce R. Butler

    Yabbut what does Newt say when God wants his 10% commish?

  • teawithbertrand

    Which god’s guidance are you seeking, Newt? Does it depend on the question?

    Personally, I’d like a candidate with brains enough to make his own decisions, not one who need to mumble to an imaginary sky fairy before choosing paper or plastic.

    This is just pandering. Obvious, completely see-through, nose-on-your-face pandering to religious nut jobs. (AKA Rick Perry fans.)

  • Michael Heath

    IOW Newt Gingrich blames God for his misunderstanding we’re not suffering from inflation but instead challenged with deflation. [Gingrich claimed in the last presidential debate he’d fire Ben Bernanke (he can’t) because, “. . . he’s been the most inflationary, dangerous, and power-centered chairman of the Fed in history.”]

    First God gets pi wrong, now we learn he doesn’t know the difference between inflation and deflation. And this is the GOP’s intellectual giant, Newt that is, God never claimed that title.

  • wheatdogg

    … seeking God’s guidance strikes me as being the heart of whether or not you can survive in a world of danger and in a world of temptation and in a world where evil always lurks.

    Which tells me that Newt does not always practice what he preaches, unless the Man Upstairs is telling him it’s OK to shag as many women as possible (while still married to another).

    Somehow I just can’t picture this slimy weasel of a politician (well, perhaps I am being a tad redundant) praying to God before he says anything, be it asking wife #3 for eggs and toast or telling voters about his latest lame-brained solution to all that ails us.

  • harold

    Gingrich is a fairly obvious example of a late life “conversion” of political convenience – and even then, officially to Catholicism, not to 6000 year old earth, literal talking snake, literal Noah’s ark Georgia fundamentalism.

    So he is a definitive example of at least one Republican who is most likely producing this verbiage without believing a word of it. One would assume Mitt Romney is likely to be a similar example.

    As for the rest, it’s impossible to know who is sincere. Michelle Bachmann probably does maintain her fantasy world, although at the expense of a great deal of cognitive dissonance and repression.

    NOTES – These notes may not be entirely applicable to this relatively sophisticated venue, but they are based on past experience…

    It’s possible that, because I said, in essence, that Newt Gingrich is likely to be a hypocrite, someone will accuse me of having “said something good about religion” (i.e. admitting that even one bad person might not be sincerely religious may be perceived as “saying something good about religion”).

    However, simply not being religious in and of itself does not make someone a good person.

    But non-religious people who are honest and decent will tend to be honest.

    Non-religious people who are sleazy will often pretend to be pious.

    Even more absurdly, someone may mistake me as a religious person (again, this has happened).

    The implicit presumptions here would be “Harold seems to imply that some sincere religious people are in some ways less offensive than some slimy hypocrites, therefore he could be perceived as having said something less than totally condemnatory about some religious people, therefore he must belong to that group of people – belonging to a rival group is the only possible motivation for failing to completely condemn the rival group”.

    This logical error would be identical to the error people make when they think I must be black if I’m not totally racist, or when they think I must be gay if I’m not a homophobe.

    However, both of these have happened in the past, so I mention them here.

  • Dr X

    My suspicion:

    Individuals with symptoms of NPD are first and foremost two-faced; the subject being charming and competitive in public while critical, rude, arrogant, sarcastic and aggressive in private; usually to the people who are closest to them and who give them the most love and care.

    This person will pretend to operate from high standards, but in reality will be low in perfectionism, resulting in them being flakey, hypocritical or even an outright phoney or fake. They will not follow through on promises and will spend most of their energy and time seeking people who will adore them or who they can vent their aggression on, either directly by provoking fights or else by gossiping nastily about people behind their back.

    The idea here is that the same person can think of themselves as having high standards, self-righteously attacking others, while simultaneously having much lower than average standards governing their behavior. You could say that they discount the significance of their awful behavior, believing they’re really as good as the mask they wear. It’s a form of defensive splitting. They’re well aware of their bad behavior, but in a very emotionally primitive way, they deny it’s moral and social significance. They might also rationalize, saying to themselves in moments when the contradictions start to trouble them: the ideals are what I really believe in so that’s me. My opponents, on the other hand, don’t believe in the ideals; they’re evil, regardless of their behaviors. Or something like that.

  • raven

    Newt is pretty transparent. As far as anyone can tell, his beliefs are that he needs more money, more power, and sex with a number of different women.

    Rather similar to a lot of other fundie xian politicians and fundie xian leaders.

  • http://www.ranum.com Occam’s Blunt Instrument

    I used to think Gingrich was a cold-blooded opportunist whose only “belief” was ‘whatever works for Newt’ — but now I’ve realized that he’s a muddle-brained idiot who probably can’t even identify how own self-interest.

  • Doc Bill

    Remember,y’all, this is the Intellectual Leader of the GOP. He’s the best brain they’ve got, just ask him.

    Or, a more likely explanation, is that Newt was having a hallucination that he was answering a question in the Miss World competition.

    “I’d have to say whirled peas, Bart.”

  • Michael Heath

    Re Dr. X’s comment post. While reading your post I came-up with a movie outline where we discovered an island of people whose common ancestors were Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin. Actually I see franchise, not one mere movie.

  • bigjohn756

    Everyone here seems to be treating this with some humor. None of this is funny in the least. I, for one, am frightened to the core by Newt and all of his fellow Republican Presidential candidates. Their goal seems to be to try to turn this country into a Saudi Arabia clone. They claim to abhor Sharai law while, at the same time, professing a passion to instill the same laws under a Christian banner. Scary at the least.

  • Aquaria

    I wonder if he sought God’s guidance before he gave speeches railing against Bill Clinton’s infidelity while he was having an affair with a staffer behind the back of his wife while she battled cancer?

    Not quite.

    He was having an affair with the staffer behind the back of wife #2, who had just been diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. He was having an affair with wife #2 and asked for a divorce from wife #1 when #1 was dying of cancer.

  • Michael Heath

    bigjohn756 writes:

    Everyone here seems to be treating this with some humor. None of this is funny in the least. I, for one, am frightened to the core by Newt and all of his fellow Republican Presidential candidates. Their goal seems to be to try to turn this country into a Saudi Arabia clone. They claim to abhor Sharai law while, at the same time, professing a passion to instill the same laws under a Christian banner. Scary at the least.

    It’s the kind of humor found at a funeral; mixed in with weeping and vomiting which provides a santorum-like mix.

  • Aquaria

    I wonder if he consults with God before he sends out all those fraudulent fundraising scams

    Sure. If you call consulting his bank account as consulting with God.

  • Larry

    …and sex with a number of different women.

    Rather similar to a lot of other fundie xian politicians and fundie xian leaders.

    Excluding the Rent-boy faction, of course.

  • bachalon

    At this point, I’ve heard the word “god” so much that it’s now pretty much devoid of any real or significance meaning.

  • Aquaria

    Even more absurdly, someone may mistake me as a religious person (again, this has happened).

    Happens to me all the time. I think it comes from people seeing what they want to see when they meet someone who is reserved yet capable of small talk. Or simply the super friendly type who is unfailingly polite. Somehow, those traits make others think they have so much in common with you. In reality, though, they project themselves onto the blank slate one’s reserve or friendliness seems to present.

    This causes massive problems down the road, because the reserved or overly polite/receptive/friendly person will end up disappointing the other when he finally opens up and speaks his mind, or has a contrary view than expected. What happened to the understanding and agreeable person the blabber had known all this time?

    Nothing happened. Most blabbers (hell, most people!) simply don’t realize how selfish, self-absorbed and oblivious to others they are. Or how desperate they are to connect with someone they think is like them. It’s rather sad when I think about it this way.

    And these are observations from a female with Asperger’s!

    The idea here is that the same person can think of themselves as having high standards, self-righteously attacking others, while simultaneously having much lower than average standards governing their behavior.

    Like your average serial killer. Or terrorist.

  • raven

    I, for one, am frightened to the core by Newt and all of his fellow Republican Presidential candidates. Their goal seems to be to try to turn this country into a Saudi Arabia clone.

    Or the next USSR, that is an impoverished, collapsed empire.

    The real weak point of the USA is its economy.

    Bush, in 8 years, did some serious damage. We haven’t recovered yet. The KC Fed. Reserve estimates the Great Recession will last about a decade, ending in 2018. This is the average time for an economy to recover from a “severe” shock.

    If Perry, Gingrich, or the other Tea Party kooks get in, add another decade. Recovery in 2028. This isn’t a lost decade, it is a lost generation.

    Historically, when the economy is sick, the party in power gets tossed. This is how Obama even got elected in the first place. It’s quite likely how he well lose the next election. Say hello to President Perry, Romney, or Bachmann.

    I was a bit dismayed myself by all this. But it is what it is. These days, I’m working on my survival plans.

  • Tim DeLaney

    Raven:

    Historically, when the economy is sick, the party in power gets tossed. This is how Obama even got elected in the first place. It’s quite likely how he well lose the next election. Say hello to President Perry, Romney, or Bachmann.

    Thanks for the scariest thought of the day.

  • D. C. Sessions

    But will they come when you do call them?

  • raven

    Thanks for the scariest thought of the day.

    Well, if it happens, it would be the scariest thought of the year or decade.

    That isn’t the real question. It is how I and you and you (plural) are going to survive a decade or two of Tea Party christofascists.

    I haven’t gotten too far yet. I’m sure that if it happens, whole websites and companies will be devoted to surviving the fundie xian New Dark Age in New North American Somalia.

  • D. C. Sessions

    That isn’t the real question. It is how I and you and you (plural) are going to survive a decade or two of Tea Party christofascists.

    I do so love optimists. What bothers me is that Heinlein might have been more of a prophet in 1940 than I could have dreamed even a few years ago.

    Hint: look up Nehemiah Scudder.

  • risenape

    D. C. Sessions,

    Robert Heinlein: “If This Goes On—”, a truly chiling religious dystopia. Newt is an insane nitwit.

  • D. C. Sessions

    risenape: did you notice when that story is set?

  • imthegenieicandoanything

    Nixon believed in God, but he was insane.

    Bush 1 believes in God, because he was told to by his parents.

    Shrub might kind of believe in God, because he’s an empty, self-hating shell of failure dry-drunk.

    Cheney thinks he is God, and when he dies may the realization of what his life has been pay back the smallest fraction of wthe harm his unfounded hypothesis has caused.

    Perry pretends to believe in God, because it’s all gravy, and because he pretends about everything. Lies and deceit are mother’s milk to him.

    Gingrich doesn’t believe in God at all. Not one bit. But he will say anything, anytime, to anyone if it inflates, if only for a moment, his vanity.

    I now long for Republicans with the merest touch of humanity, even as mentally unstable and bigoted as Nixon or as WASPishly patronizing as Bush 1.

    I would pray for the humanity of these others, if it had any chance of helping. When they die, as they will, I will be satisfied: evil people all.

  • hitchens2965

    I was outside this forum proudly wearing my “We are all Africans” Dawkins shirt. You have never seen so many anti-science white people in your life.