Dumbass Quote of the Day

The race to see who can be the dumbest and most cruel among the Republican candidates may have a winner. Here’s Rick Santorum speaking in Iowa recently about food stamps:

Santorum told the group he would cut the food stamp program, describing it as one of the fastest growing programs in Washington, D.C.

Forty-eight million people are on food stamps in a country with 300-million people, said Santorum.

“If hunger is a problem in America, then why do we have an obesity problem among the people who we say have a hunger program?” Santorum asked.

Is he really that stupid and mean or is he just pretending to get votes? I don’t think it matters.

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  • http://anexerciseinfutility.blogspot.com tommykey

    Yes, I believe he really is that stupid.

  • D. C. Sessions

    Give ol’ Frothy this: he has never had to pretend to be either stupid or mean to get votes.

  • MikeMa

    Santorum doesn’t need to dip his toe int the stupid. He just dives right in. And he’s got company.

  • dan4

    What specifically is wrong with what Santorum said?

  • http://howlandbolton.com richardelguru

    @ dim dan4:

    for a start consider that the obese might well be among the other 252 million. The ones who aren’t on food stamps.

  • shouldbeworking

    Excuse the foreigner here, but is there a maximum IQ that a person can have and still be a member do the rethugican party?

  • http://festeringscabofrealityblogspot.com fifthdentist

    dan4, cheap food is going to be, for the most part, fattening food. And people on food stamps are going to be going for quantity, not quality. Compare a pound of potato chips (99 cents?) to a pound of broccoli. Or a pound of peaches. Or a pound of lean meat.

    People on food stamps are going to buy a lot of unhealthy food because it costs less. Mac ‘n cheese is a good comfort food, eaten occasionally, but eat too much of it and it’s a whole lot of carbs. Ramen noodles are cheap, but they’re deadly in large quantities.

  • http://howlandbolton.com richardelguru

    @ shouldbeworking

    Probably not, but there is a maximum for empathy.

  • Didaktylos

    What specifically is wrong with what Santorum said?

    Spare us trolls who have dicarded the ethical and intellectual sense they were born with.

  • Doug Little

    “If hunger is a problem in America, then why do we have an obesity problem among the people who we say have a hunger program?” Santorum asked.

    One of the reasons that I have noticed is that primary produce is way more expensive per unit of energy than highly refined products. I can imagine that it must be pretty difficult to feed your family good wholesome food on food stamps. I would like to see a tax placed on the more refined junk food that could help subsidize primary produce.

  • staceycooney

    @dan4

    Really?? Just as a start the foods that are most likely to cause obesity are some of the cheapest and easiest to buy with food stamps. Secondly, people who are low income are more likely to have not have access to any kind of healthy foods. There is even a term for this called a “food desert”. Thirdly, low-income people don’t tend to have a lot of time to go to the gym or even any access to a gym or the ability to afford a membership. And obesity cuts across socioeconomic categories… That’s before I even get into how obesity is not directly related to health or food habits and how many obese people eat less than thin people.

  • http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    He is such an asshole. A triple threat: ignorant, mean and also mean again. And yet he still can’t even get traction, even in Iowa’s mad primary!

  • http://en.gravatar.com/mrupright Mr. Upright

    Doug Little: “I would like to see a tax placed on the more refined junk food that could help subsidize primary produce.”

    An even easier start is to stop subsidizing ingredients (mainly corn) in that junk food.

  • imrryr

    “If hunger is a problem in America, then why do we have an obesity problem among the people who we say have a hunger program?”

    *puts republican “thinking” cap on*

    I think what Santorum is trying to say here is that people who claim we have a hunger problem in this country are liars and hypocrites because they’re overweight, and clearly not giving their extra food to the poor. It’s similar to the argument that Al Gore is a liar and a hypocrite because he rides around in cars and uses electricity.

    *takes cap off*

    Fuck, that was painful.

  • Artor

    Also, for many people, their work is their exercise. If you don’t have the budget or time to go to a gym, you have to rely on 8-10 hrs a day of hard labor to stay fit. If you’re un- or under-employed, you’re not getting that exercise, and you’re not likely to spend your day doing push-ups if you’re scrambling to find work in the current depression.

  • ajb47

    dan4, assuming you are not just trolling, it’s a False Dichotomy. He’s trying to imply that either the country is starving or it isn’t by ignoring that in a country of 300+ million, some can be overweight and others can be starving.

    AJ

  • Ben P

    dan4, assuming you are not just trolling, it’s a False Dichotomy. He’s trying to imply that either the country is starving or it isn’t by ignoring that in a country of 300+ million, some can be overweight and others can be starving.

    *puts republican “thinking” cap on*

    I think what Santorum is trying to say here is that people who claim we have a hunger problem in this country are liars and hypocrites because they’re overweight, and clearly not giving their extra food to the poor.

    Both of these are close, but neither of these are quite right IMO, but the truth is possibly even uglier.

    This is a modified form of Reagan’s “welfare queen” argument.

    Santorum is suggesting that poor people are simply lazy and mooching off the system. He argues this is the case because the poor people who we claim need food assistance are fat. If they actually needed extra food they wouldn’t be fat.

    There are bonus points in the racial element of this argument. Santorum didn’t have to say anything explicitly, but the dog whistle is that, just like Reagan’s argument about “the woman on welfare driving a cadillac” doesn’t conjure up your white grandmother, this is designed to conjure up images of a fat black woman.

  • frankb

    Food stamps are not necessarily for people who are starving but for people who are poor. When they worry about where the money is coming from at the end of the week or end of the month, they will got food stamps. In the meantime they are eating cheap fattening food and not exercising.

  • plutosdad

    Here is a study put out by the Institute of Medicine examining food insecurity and obesity: http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=13102 (the pdf summary is free, and you can skim chapters).

    It’s quite complicated, and there is no correspondence between people without food and obesity. Nor can we simply blame the obese people. After all, the government told them for years to eat lots of grains and avoid ALL fats, for some of us like me, that is a recipe for weight gain. And there are other factors, like it’s wise for parents to maximize calories for their kids if they don’t have much money, to make sure they get enough food.

    I am certainly not an expert, though as a disclaimer I’ll say I work at Feeding America. I know it’s an issue of increasing importance and we’re trying to get more healthy food to people. Lots of foodbanks and agencies have classes on nutrition, cooking, etc, as well, to help people.

    But Santorum, isn’t he supposed to advertise himself as super christian? I guess he’s just a super hater.

  • shouldbeworking

    @richardelguru: I think the rethuglican empathy is reserved for those who need it the most, the 1% minority. These are the people who are in the most need of tax relief.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=611844223 mikede fleuriot

    Nothing so far has convinced me that the hidden government does not what Barak Obama for another four years. Every single Republican candidate has applied gun to foot, from the get go.

  • DaveL

    This is a modified form of Reagan’s “welfare queen” argument.

    Santorum is suggesting that poor people are simply lazy and mooching off the system. He argues this is the case because the poor people who we claim need food assistance are fat. If they actually needed extra food they wouldn’t be fat.

    It’s just another facet of their overall strategy to convince their base that all our budget problems are the fault of The Great Undeserving Other. It’s the same reason they’ve put so much effort into the narrative that illegal immigrants come here to sit around, collecting welfare and committing crimes. Also the narrative that middle and upper class Americans are overtaxed, when by historical and international standards they are undertaxed. Also the narrative that federal tax dollars are paying for abortions. Also the rhetoric about international aid.

    This dog whistle is also how Republicans manage to talk openly about plans to gut Social Security and Medicare – because the base has been conditioned to think they’re not talking about their Social Security or their Medicare (they earned it, not like those people).

  • plutosdad

    @dan4

    because with about 10 seconds of research, you can easily find out that no doctor will tell you that obesity = too many calories, or that fat gain means calories out > calories in. It’s not that simple.

    Also, Santorum would have to prove the majority of people on food stamps or poor are obese, this is not the case, and is easily verifiable, you can verify this at the link I just provided.

    Thirdly, people are hungry NOW, they may not have been before. Many foodbanks are reporting they are serving many first time clients. Lots of middle class people who never thought they’d need help are now out of jobs, losing homes, and needing help.

    It is like the argument “if they have color tvs they can’t be poor” which is ridiculous (saying if they have expensive cable they should cancel it might make more sense, we just canceled our cable and I am not nearly poor). That TV could be a decade old, and worth next to nothing, and certainly if millions of poor families sold their old tvs at once they’d become worthless.

  • Doug Little

    An even easier start is to stop subsidizing ingredients (mainly corn) in that junk food.

    Yeah, that is true. When you see HFCS popping up in kids fruit juice you know you have a problem, I mean it’s not like fruit juice is sweet enough already.

  • slc1

    Re Dan4 @ #4

    Anybody who thinks that only poor people are fat should visit high end markets like Whole Foods or Balducci’s (or Gelson’s in California). Lots of fat people can be seen there and I highly doubt that many of them are on food stamps.

  • http://www.rodlamkey.net reverendrodney

    staceycooney @ 11:

    You beat me to it, mentioning ‘food deserts’. For a lot of inner city dwellers the local convenience store, brimming with processed foods high in sugar and fat, is the only food source since supermarkets either close or won’t go in those areas due to gang activity and pilfering, etc. Who is to blame for that is a different subject. But the people in those areas are trapped into buying what’s available to them. They’ve already spent hours a day either looking for work or going to and from minimum wage jobs, and when hungry kids are waiting at home sometimes it’s all a person can do to pick up a can of beans, a loaf of white bread, and maybe some weenies.

    That Santorum is oblivious to the social and economic complexities which contribute to obesity across the board, affecting rich and poor, just blows my mind. What a total ass. He is a typical Republican.

  • http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    To be fair, Jesus, in the Parable of the Supply-Side Savior, did say to the Kings and Priests “You got yours. Fuck the poor. Cut them off and cut your taxes. And pit the rural ones and the city ones against each other. Problem solved. Now, who’s up for hookers and blow?”

  • a miasma of incandescent plasma

    “If there’s a hunger problem then why are there still fat people?” is right up (er… down?) there with “If humans evolved from monkeys then why are there still monkeys??”

    And here I thought they hated “gotcha” questions.

  • raven

    Santorum told the group he would cut the food stamp program, describing it as one of the fastest growing programs in Washington, D.C.

    Forty-eight million people are on food stamps in a country with 300-million people, said Santorum.

    Without food stamps, a lot of those 48 million would be in danger of starving to death.

    Humans don’t starve to death quietly. People would be out in the streets like we’ve never seen before. The crime rate would skyrocket.

    The one bright spot is that Santorum might well end up like Marie Antoinette and for the same reason.

  • raven

    The other social safety net is the food banks. The food stamp program has ratcheted down the eligibility so low that a lot of broke people can’t quality. You have a car? A house? Forget it.

    Locally, they’ve seen an explosion in demand. And this is in a prosperous area. Someone who works in one as a volunteer told me the numbers, they were high.

    In a rural school near where I used to live, 88% of the students qualify for federally subsidized lunches. Their parents are mostly Tea Party kooks. Without federal and state transfer payments, half of them would be dead. I suppose this shows that you can be too stupid to live.

  • raven

    It is a matter of statistical fact that we are getting poorer.

    Median per capita income has fallen for four years straight by a lot, 10%. This is the biggest drop since the Great Depression.

    It’s hard to imagine when the poor are most of the American people that they are going to vote for the Tea Party/GOP, the ones who put them there and clearly could care less.

    But who knows, maybe they will. Bush was elected twice after all.

  • Chris from Europe

    Poor fat people may also have an untreated thyroid problem. But he’s also against universal healthcare.

  • DaveL

    It’s hard to imagine when the poor are most of the American people that they are going to vote for the Tea Party/GOP, the ones who put them there and clearly could care less.

    Not hard to imagine at all. You simply tell a large fraction of them that they are the productive, deserving people who are only poor because people of another race, religion, etc. are sucking up all the benefits, jobs, cookies, whatever. Tell them that the only thing they need to do to finally take their rightful place among the elite is to ally with the latter against people even weaker than themselves.

  • flakko

    I noticed that a few commenters have cited science to refute Santorum’s latest bullshit and explain this matter to Dan4. Plutosdad (#19) even linked a study by the Institute of Medicine. Of course this is all in vain, as Santorum has recently said that “science should get out of politics”. Global warming, evolution, and now hunger in America: all just a liberal plot with science as its bitch to finally enact Obama’s grand Socialist/fascist/communist/Islamist/Marxist Kenyan agenda.

  • raven

    Why is Santorum even running.

    He seems so stupid, evil, and extreme that no one in their right mind would vote for him. He really does want a New Dark Age, complete with peasant revolts and raging epidemics among the stressed and malnuritioned serfs.

    Which leaves the Tea Party but they aren’t all that many.

    bleedingheartland.com:

    Bleeding Heartland discussed the first three polls to show Gingrich ahead here. On December 5, the Washington Post reported results from a Washington Post/ABC News poll of 858 “potential Iowa Republican caucus-goers” and 356 “likely voters” conducted by Abt-SRBI between November 30 and December 4. Among “potential caucus-goers,” Gingrich led with 28 percent support, followed by former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney (18 percent), Representative Ron Paul (16 percent), Texas Governor Rick Perry (12 percent), Representative Michele Bachmann (10 percent), former U.S. Senator Rick Santorum (4 percent) and Jon Huntsman (2 percent). This pollster reallocated Herman Cain supporters “based on their second choice” but didn’t indicate how many people named Cain as a first choice.

    Santorum is only at 4% among wingnut voters in Iowa. That can change rapidly, of course.

  • raven

    Almost half in U.S. are poor or low-income

    A record number of Americans are living in poverty or near-poverty, according to the latest census data.

    Latest headline.

    No one should be happy about that. It started under moron Bush.

    I’m not sure Obama has really managed to grapple with this ugly fact. The Tea Party just wants to make it worse.

  • D. C. Sessions

    The one bright spot is that Santorum might well end up like Marie Antoinette and for the same reason.

    Well, that’s what the “fat people” line was about: it was code for “they eat cake.”

  • Doug Little

    The race to see who can be the dumbest and most cruel among the Republican candidates may have a winner.

    Na, Perry is currently winning with his comments about human rights. It’s going to take a monumental effort to beat what he spewed.

  • Aquaria

    dumb dan:

    On top of everything else that has been mentioned here, you’re assuming that poor people even know how to cook healthy food, or have the facilities to do it.

    Do you realize how many people are living out of microwaves–if they’re lucky? A lot of people barely have fridges or stoves.

    Hopefully, you’ve learned something today.

    If you’re a teatard who refuses to learn about reality, then go fuck yourself.

  • DaveL

    Do you realize how many people are living out of microwaves–if they’re lucky? A lot of people barely have fridges or stoves.

    Funny, I thought that if you have a fridge and a stove you are not poor.

  • meg

    @ Doug Little

    Denmark did introduce a ‘fat tax’ earlier this year.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15137948

    Probably too early yet to see if it’s working, but I think it’s worth watching, see what the result is.

    There are two sides to the idea – people will buy the hopefully cheaper healthy food, but on the other hand, it could work like cigarettes here in OZ – despite continually taxing them, people keep smoking. The argument goes for alcohol too.

  • raven

    ..Hunger up in U.S. cities, more to come: mayors

    By Ian Simpson | Reuters – 4 hrs ago………Related Content.

    …Volunteer Charlene Bennett fills an order at the North Fulton Community Charities …

    ….WASHINGTON (Reuters) – A survey of 29 cities shows hunger has risen in most of them in the last year and is largely expected to increase in 2012 as the United States faces a sluggish economy, the U.S. Conference of Mayors said on Thursday.

    Homelessness also rose an average of 6 percent for the surveyed cities, with the increase in homeless families far outpacing the number for individuals.

    Mayors said the figures showed the depth of problems facing poor and low-income families as the United States slowly recovers from a deep economic downturn and joblessness that was at 8.6 percent last month.

    Another headline from today.

    Santorum’s solution is to….abolish food stamps. I’d like to know what he would say if millions of people start dying of starvation or raiding grocery stores for bread.

  • dan4

    Thank you for the (mostly) thoughtful and detailed responses to my question. I didn’t mean to come off as “trolling,” especially since I am NOT a Santorum fan. I can now see now how his statement highlighted here was flawed at best, mean-spirited at worst.

  • lofgren

    If Santorum was a Roman Emporer, he wouldn’t even have had the cleverness to come up with bread and circuses.

  • mikelaing

    “If hunger is a problem in America, then why do we have an obesity problem among the people who we say have a hunger program?” Santorum asked.

    The same reason that we say that idiocy is a problem in America. Why do you have “stupid as fuck Republican politicians” among the people who say they’ve got advanced education and degrees?

  • Doug Little

    meg@41

    despite continually taxing them, people keep smoking. The argument goes for alcohol too.

    Yes, but the higher tax really has two main purposes, it not only provides an incentive to quit but also helps offset the cost of such habits to society. I personally have had experience with both vices, I don’t smoke but both my parents did and eventually the rising cost of smokes did have an effect and caused both of them to quit. I also grew up in a Pub on the south east coast and so are very familiar with how the drinking culture has changed over the years, for the better mind you, although it was achieved not only through higher tax but also through, tighter regulation, heavier penalties across the board for drinking related crimes and massive public service announcement campaigns.