Santorum: Imprisoned Parent Better Than Gay Parent

If you thought Rick Santorum had hit bottom in his efforts to become revolting in his anti-gay bigotry, think again. Now he’s telling school kids — including some who have gay parents — that they would be better off if their father were in prison than if he were gay.

For the second time in as many days, Rick Santorum waded into the issue of gay marriage, suggesting it was so important for children to have both a father and mother that an imprisoned father was preferable to a same-sex parent.

Citing the work of one anti-poverty expert, Santorum said, “He found that even fathers in jail who had abandoned their kids were still better than no father at all to have in their children’s lives.”

Allowing gays to marry and raise children, Santorum said, amounts to “robbing children of something they need, they deserve, they have a right to. You may rationalize that that isn’t true, but in your own life and in your own heart, you know it’s true.”

At a private boarding school Friday, the Republican presidential candidate’s voice grew emotional as he argued that only a man and woman should be able to marry. “Marriage is not a right,” Santorum said. “It’s a privilege that is given to society by society for a reason…. We want to encourage what is the best for children.”

Three of the students, who were from a private high school, had gay parents but they were not the ones who asked the question. This man is simply deranged.

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  • http://anexerciseinfutility.blogspot.com tommykey

    Correction: A child is better off with a gay parent in prison than having Rick Santorum as a father.

  • Doug Little

    Wasn’t there a study done that shows Rick is full of shit. No amount of “You may rationalize that that isn’t true, but in your own life and in your own heart, you know it’s true.” is going to change that fact.

  • shouldbeworking

    A child is better off with a gay father in prison than with Santorum as president.

  • Skip White

    “Santorum said, “He found that even fathers in jail who had abandoned their kids were still better than no father at all to have in their children’s lives.””

    Wouldn’t a father who abandoned his children, by definition, not be in the children’s lives?

  • http://blogingproject.blogspot.com/ We Are Ing

    Anyone want to bitch about the little girl who asked Michael the “Gotcha” question now?

  • Doubting Thomas

    “Marriage is not a right,…” Santorum

    What is his authority for this assertion?

  • http://stochasticscientist.blogspot.com KathyO

    He found that even fathers in jail who had abandoned their kids were still better than no father at all to have in their children’s lives.

    Um…gay issues aside, if they’ve abandoned their children and are in jail, how is that different from having no father in their children’s lives?

    Next from Santorum: Even dead fathers are better than not having a father at all.

  • anandine

    He found that even fathers in jail who had abandoned their kids were still better than no father at all to have in their children’s lives.

    So having a gay father is the same as having no father at all. Who is that guy who feeds me every day if he’s not my dad?

  • eric

    He found that even fathers in jail who had abandoned their kids were still better than no father at all

    Poor Rick, did no one show you how to draw lines through points? If zero fathers is bad, and one father is good, two fathers…

  • Michael Heath

    Ed writes:

    This man [Rick Santorum] is simply deranged.

    Well, except for the fact that his opponent Mitt Romney is currently running as fast as he can from the fact he once championed gay rights as a politically advantageous position whereas no one doubts where Santorum stands on this position.

  • jnorris

    Santorum said, “He found that even fathers in jail who had abandoned their kids were still better than no father at all to have in their children’s lives.”

    How does he arrive at ‘No father’ = ‘Gay father’?

  • Taz

    Citing the work of one anti-poverty expert, Santorum said, “He found that even fathers in jail who had abandoned their kids were still better than no father at all to have in their children’s lives.”

    I’m certain “no father at all” in that study meant single parent, not gay couple. Santorum is lying through his teeth when he tries to apply it to gay marriage.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    He’s getting in kids’ faces because he doesn’t have the guts to talk to grownups. Typical Republican cowardice and infantilism.

    What if the father in question was in jail for sexual abuse of a child? Or the murder of a child? Would Santorum still stand by his man?

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    If zero fathers is bad, and one father is good, two fathers…

    If mroberts hadn’t lost his business and had his laptop reposessed, he’d doubtless chime in here with “But two men can’t breast-feed!”

  • interrobang

    What’s he even talking about here? Children of lesbian couples? He’s taking what appears to be a study comparing outcomes between households with a male parent present and a household with no male parent present, and somehow parlaying institutional sexism into an argument against same-sex marriage.

    I mean, I hate to break it to him, but children living in an arrangement with a same-sex pair of men have what sane people would describe as two fathers (how long ago did Heather Has Two Mommies come out, again?). Even so, children living with a same-sex pair of women still have fathers, regardless of where those fathers might be. I know Santorum thinks that gay people aren’t quite human (hence the whole “box turtle” and “man on dog” thing), but lesbians still don’t reproduce parthenogenetically.

    I mean, by some standards or other, I have four parents — the pair who caused me to exist, and the pair who raised me.

    I wonder what Santorum thinks of adoption…my money’s on that he’s your basic good old fashioned “adopting is fine if you can’t have kids, but you really should move heaven and earth and half the universe besides to have your own kids” kind of “adopted kids are factory seconds” bigot.

  • http://spaninquis.wordpress.com/ Spanish Inquisitor

    You could also argue that the child that his wife aborted in order to save her life had a lousy father for allowing that to happen.

    What? Was that cheap shot?

  • d cwilson

    How does he arrive at ‘No father’ = ‘Gay father’?

    Just to play devil’s advocate, maybe he was referring to a lesbian couples.

    On the other hand, I’m fairly certain that the study he’s citing probably had nothing to do with same-sex parents and was probably comparing children of single mothers where the father was completely out of the picture vs. children whose fathers were in prison.

    Wasn’t there a study done that shows Rick is full of shit.

    There have been several studies that show Rick is full of shit, not that he will ever acknowledge that they exist.

  • tynk

    I can’t help but think that someone living by his “logic” would some how find his way to cutting all military budgets, because damned is a child’s father who would rather die in war then go to prison!

  • MikeMa

    @Bee,

    When you delve into the details of Santorum’s delusion by worrying about child abuse by a jailed dad, you jump right into the mud his mind is filled with. The statement is false and hateful all on its own. You needn’t try to justify calling Santorum an asshole.

    Santorum is a liar for some lunatic jesus he found hitchhiking in the south somewhere. Almost nothing he says makes sense or matches the reality we face. He worries about gay sex when the rest of the country worries about jobs and healthcare.

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    He’s not simply deranged, he’s deranged and he’s an asshole. The distinction is important to me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/andrewasante andrewbrown

    @15

    Don’t forget though that if you can’t have kids due to fertility problems that’s just god’s way of telling you that you can’t be parents. No sinful assisted conception or IVF for you!!!

    When you unpick his sexual thinking it’s the most horrendous frothy mixture of Catholic guilt and shame together with some extra misogynist flavouring to make it palatable to those who don’t regard him as a True Christian.

  • http://www.holytape.etsy.com holytape

    He found that even fathers in jail who had abandoned their kids were still better than no father at all to have in their children’s lives.”

    So wouldn’t two fathers be really really good?

  • http://www.thomaswebb.net pinkboi

    Sweet Santorum Salad, at this point, we have to start suspecting that he’s secretly super-Gay.

    And though there aren’t politicians out there whose views match mine, there does seem to at least be one who manages to find the exact opposite views – Santorum.

  • highdudgeonaz

    Which expert? What study? And what do other poverty experts say? The Santorum is strong with that one.

  • http://spaninquis.wordpress.com/ Spanish Inquisitor

    Ok. Frothy has been used as an adjective in the comments a few times. I know why, no need to enlighten me, but I gotta say that whenever I hear that word, I’m gonna think of Santorum.

    “How about a nice, frothy, cappuccino?”

    Hope it doesn’t ruin it for me.

  • D. C. Sessions

    Allowing gays to marry and raise children, Santorum said, amounts to “robbing children of something they need, they deserve, they have a right to.

    It therefore follows that we should not only outlaw gay marriage, but heterosexual divorce as well. Also, of course, since any father at all is better than no father child abuse is no excuse for removing children from their father’s custody.

    Right, Frothy?

  • Reginald Selkirk

    “It’s a privilege that is given to society by society for a reason….

    So he saying it doesn’t come from God? I guess he’s making some progress.

  • http://www.facebook.com/andrewasante andrewbrown

    @26

    He hasn’t explicitly said anything about outlawing divorce AFAIK but given that I don’t think he’s fully revealed the depths of his fundie Catholic idiocy I wouldn’t be surprised if he takes the Ghoul of Calcutta’s view, that divorce is ok for the rich and powerful, but should be banned by law for the plebs.

  • appellategirl

    You said “hit bottom.” heh, heh, heh…

  • cptdoom

    I am waiting breathlessly for Frothy Mix to give us his proposed policy on dealing with all those deadbeat dads who do abandon their children. Should they be jailed so they can be forced to be in their children’s lives?

  • Ramel

    Citing the work of one anti-poverty expert

    Can any one name the expert and where this statement was published, or do I just assume Santorum made them up?

  • baal

    I’m convinced there is something wrong with the MSM that a man of his views gets to be treated as a reasonable choice for president.

  • http://timgueguen.blogspot.com timgueguen

    Santorum no doubt believes in Creationist Science, where anything that agrees with a fundie Christian view is obviously true science, no matter how many other scientific studies say it’s wrong. It could say “I made this all up” on page 1 and be authored by Joseph Stalin, and Santorum would still believe it.

  • timberwoof

    He worries about gay sex when the rest of the country worries about jobs and healthcare.

    Correction. He pretends to worry about gay sex and makes up all kinds of nonsense arguments against it. along with the rest of the Republican Party, because he wants to distract people from the eco—OO! Shiny!

  • d cwilson

    @timberwoof:

    I have to disagree. I think gay sex is the most important thing on his mind.

  • Azkyroth

    Citing the work of one anti-poverty expert, Santorum said, “He found that even fathers in jail who had abandoned their kids were still better than no father at all to have in their children’s lives.”

    I’m glad SOMEONE in the race is speaking up against the scourge of parthenogenesis.

  • http://quodlibet-sarah.blogspot.com/ Quodlibet

    Sick Rantorum* is a frightening person.

    I try to avoid hearing and seeing him, but every time I do, I am struck by how hurt, sad, resentful, frightened, righteous, and angry he seems. That is a frighteningly dangerous combination, the more so when held by someone who has, or wants to have, control over other people.

    It appalls me that a person who is so unbendingly opposed to abortion is also unbendingly opposed to contraception. It’s mind-boggling.

    * I can’t take credit for that – I read it somewhere else. But I like it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/andrewasante andrewbrown

    @ 37 Quodlibet

    Remember he’s a fundie Catholic so those are two vitally important positions which are necessary to maintain the integrity of the patriachy family.

  • eric

    OT but something Ed might want to cover: SCOTUS just ruled that religious organizations have a right to discriminate in hiring/firing based on religion. See here.

    The majority parsed the ruling as saying the government cannot stop religious organizations from firing ministers based on personal beliefs. Which seems like a perfectly sensible limitation. But the actual case was about a school teacher in a religious school who taught one 45-minute class on religion and the rest of the day, secular subjects. And, moreover, the justices said that ‘minister’ was not limited by ordination.

    IMO the predictable outcome will be religious organizations claiming every single employee – from accountants to gardeners – functions as a type of minister, so they can (religiously) discriminate at will.

  • http://quodlibet-sarah.blogspot.com/ Quodlibet

    andrewbrown @38:

    Oh, I know. But it just seems …. irrational.

    I know, that’s redundant. Religious. Irrational.

  • matty1

    Look there’s a simple compromise available here. Rick Santorum can go to jail and gays can be fathers. Everyone wins.

  • matty1

    And, moreover, the justices said that ‘minister’ was not limited by ordination.

    It’s difficult to see how it could be absent a secular definition of ‘ordination’

  • briandavis

    Santorum frothed forth with

    Marriage is not a right. It’s a privilege…

    And yet a unanimous Supreme Court said

    Marriage is one of the “basic civil rights of man,” fundamental to our very existence and survival…

    Sorry Rick. You get an F on this civics assignment.

  • timberwoof

    The organization CultWatch used to be a legitimate research group that kept tabs on cults such as Scientology. A scientologist applied for work there and was denied on that basis. So the Scienos sent three more scientologists to apply for work there. When they all got denied jobs, the cult sued and won. CultWatch could only pay for legal fees by auctioning off its membership list and all intellectual property, which the cult bought. They then harassed the former members of CultWatch. CultWatch is now a font organization for the cult.

    I wonder if this new ruling would permit an organization like the original CultWatch to discriminate on the basis of cult membership.

    The ruling must be tested. If religionists claim that atheism is a religion, then so be it! Make an organization whose business is atheism, and in which everyone—especially the gardener, as he is in charge of living things on the property—has to be an atheist. Then refuse to hire some scientologists, mormons, and catlicks.

  • http://www.facebook.com/andrewasante andrewbrown

    @40 Quodlibet

    It’s only irrational to folks such as you and I who aren’t obsessed by whose genitalia/medical equipment enters which orifice and when.

    Won’t anyone think of the souls of the souls of the poor precious zygotes/children???

    That’s far more important than piffling little things like human rights and medical care.

  • dingojack

    So in his delusional vision of the future, Mr Frothy would be against sending men* off to war. I mean a father could get killed leaving his children in a position little better than the children of all those imprisoned or executed gay couples.

    What, Mr Frothy likes sending men off to die for the Theocratic, Evangelical and Holy Grand Empire of Yahweh**?

    O why won’t Mr Frothy think of the children?

    Dingo

    —–

    * naturally, in his world, all service personnel are male

    ** Formerly known as the USA

  • http://www.facebook.com/andrewasante andrewbrown

    @46 dingo

    He wouldn’t oppose it if it was a just war

  • http://quodlibet-sarah.blogspot.com/ Quodlibet

    Dingo, did you intend your nation “formerly known as the USA” to have as its acronym TEH-GEY? :-)

    andrewbrown, it also seems immoral to discourage and/or prohibit the use of contraception in our overcrowded world.

  • http://www.facebook.com/andrewasante andrewbrown

    Quodlibet

    You’re making that terrible mistake of actually thinking. I’ve actually had arguments with Catholic fundies who quite happily assert that the Earth can support a population of over 11 billion people. (When I asked what supporting evidence he had you’ll be surprised to learn it came from the Vatican.)

    What he couldn’t understand was that was 11 billion people in poverty and misery. I would rather a small population of people living full and happy lives, achieved via reductions in birthrate due to family planning. As soon as I said that he immediately went full Godwin accusing me of wanting to determine who lived and who died just like the Nazis. I pointed out abortion was banned in the Third Reich so his views on population control chimed more with AH’s than mine. He didn’t like that.

    I think Santorum and people of his ilk have what could be called and inshallah mentality. It’s gods will and who am I to oppose it? The fact it results in horrific suffering misery and death can be waved away by simple minded trust that god knows what he’s doing and where the world is going.

    For those of us who don’t have an imaginary friend it looks like utter brutality and barbarism, to him he feels he is fulfilling the divine will.

  • http://quodlibet-sarah.blogspot.com/ Quodlibet

    andrewbrown@49:

    For those of us who don’t have an imaginary friend it looks like utter brutality and barbarism, to him he feels he is fulfilling the divine will.

    QFT – and very scary.

    One of my sisters is evangelical protestant christian – she has done the stupidest things, including “submitting” to a stupid, mean husband – because it is “god’s will.” Her reckless abandonment of commonsense is sad. But when a political leader embraces that sort of thinking, AND tries to impose it on the rest of us, it is frightening. And that is why Sick Rantorum frightens me.

    I was glad to see his poor showing in the New Hampshire primary, though there’s a long road still ahead. I noticed in a news report today that he used the past tense in talking about his campaign – perhaps it was in reference to the NH portion, but still it was interesting and, I hope, predictive of reality.

  • dingojack

    andrewbrown – he’s support it if it were just a war.

    Quodlibet – yep (you don’t how difficult it was) 😀

    Dingo

  • http://www.facebook.com/andrewasante andrewbrown

    It’s amazing. Down here in NZ we generally don’t do god in politics. Our current leader is ethnically Jewish, and like his predecessor a self declared agnostic. In the general election campaign 2 months ago, which lasted around 6 weeks btw I cannot recall one question on religion at all in any debate despite the strong Christian Pacific Island communities here. It just doesn’t come up.

    It is that unbreakable link between faith and morality in the mind of the US electorate. The question is not “What kind of faith does this man have?” it is “What kind of character does this person have?”

  • http://quodlibet-sarah.blogspot.com/ Quodlibet

    dingojack, applause for you, sir! I appreciate clever wordplay.

  • http://www.facebook.com/andrewasante andrewbrown

    Very good dingo, Chapeau sir!!!

  • http://noadi.etsy.com Noadi

    Santorum is actually referring to real studies but of course massively warping what it says. Several studies (here’s one http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1793839/pdf/archdisch00636-0091.pdf) have shown that kids who stay in contact with their fathers while they are in prison do better than children who have no contact with their fathers at all. This makes sense, letting kids know that even though their dad is away from them that they still care is important. However this has absolutely nothing to do with same sex couples with children which other studies have shown do just as well as children in heterosexual two parent families.

  • http://drx.typepad.com Dr X

    @Andrew:

    He hasn’t explicitly said anything about outlawing divorce AFAIK but given that I don’t think he’s fully revealed the depths of his fundie Catholic idiocy I wouldn’t be surprised if he takes the Ghoul of Calcutta’s view, that divorce is ok for the rich and powerful, but should be banned by law for the plebs.

    In his heart of hearts, I’m sure he’d like a ban on divorce. Divorce was illegal in Italy until the early 1970s and that was based entirely on the influence of the Catholic Church. And, of course, it was illegal in Ireland from the the 30s until the mid 1990s, again based on the influence of Catholicism.

  • http://www.facebook.com/andrewasante andrewbrown

    Dr X

    I remember thinking it odd when she was helicoptered into Ireland to speak in favour of the ban on divorce remaining in place. I’m sure Santorum would like a ban as he can’t comprehend the idea that what works for him may not work for other people. His “small government” horseshit is shown to be the lie it is by his desire to legislate as much sexual behaviour as he can. It’s the ultimate in big government. He wants the government to be able to tell you who you can have sex with, in what position and in what way. If that’s not the ultimate in government regulation strangling creativity then I don’t know what is!

  • http://www.speakingupanyway.wordpress.com allie

    Every single day I look for the announcement that Santorum’s entire campaign is just an elaborate troll. So far, no luck.

  • exdrone

    Santorum was pretty quick to come up with an analogy that involved gay men and prison. Any guess what pay-per-view movie he was relaxing with in the hotel last night?

  • grumpyoldfart

    Santorum is telling his constituents what they want to hear. If he was trying to win atheist votes his advisors would have given him a completely different routine (and he would have followed it to the letter).

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    Frankly, withallathis KKKrazzeepants stuff comin’ from Sanscrotum AND Governor Hairdo, it’s been hard to keep track of which is coming from whom.

    Sick Rantorum is a good one, but I like “Little Pennsylvania Rick”–shortened to “Li’l Prick”, better

  • Aquaria

    I know Santorum thinks that gay people aren’t quite human (hence the whole “box turtle” and “man on dog” thing), but lesbians still don’t reproduce parthenogenetically.

    Box turtle was John Cornyn.

    Allowing gays to marry and raise children, Santorum said, amounts to “robbing children of something they need, they deserve, they have a right to.

    Die in a fire, Santorum, you worthless piece of shit.

    The only “father” I had, really, was the man who came out of the closet. Even after he and my mother divorced, he acted like a father, worrying about me, doing what he could for me, being excited about my kid–everyhing.

    And where was the worthless stump who impregnated my mother to create me? Who knows or fucking cares? He left and didn’t look back–until the worthless piece of shit wanted something.

    It wasn’t the gay parent that made my black little heart do a happy dance when I learned he’d died–and, best of all, that he’d suffered before dying. It was the piece of shit who sired me. You know, the one who couldn’t be bothered to even send a fucking card on my birthday, never mind presents, visiting, paying child support, or, hell a lousy fucking phone call. The one I still hate so much that nobody will tell me where the fucker is buried, because they’re afraid I’ll go dig up the scumbag, and kick his corpse around. Hard.

    So, no, Rick, a father in jail or who abandoned me wasn’t better than a gay parent. It was the gay parent who was there when my heart got broken the first time. It was the gay parent who was dying, but was offering to help me get started again in Austin after my divorce.

    I’d rather have the gay parent, now and always. Because it’s not dumping sperm into a woman that makes a man a father. It’s the things he does after that.

    Fuck you, Santorum. Fuck you to hell.

  • http://quodlibet-sarah.blogspot.com/ Quodlibet

    And here’s how one parent dealt with the knowledge that her son is gay:

    http://www.npr.org/2012/01/13/145099739/threats-and-lies-and-who-im-supposed-to-be

    This left me weeping for the hurt in his life.

    No wonder so many gay teens commit suicide. Somehow this young man found the strength to go on and make a life for himself, and to sever ties with his hateful family. I bet he’ll be a good father if he chooses to have children.

    I can’t imagine that a gay parent would ever behave as this mother did. (Of course, rational, loving parents of any orientation wouldn’t.)