Santorum Doesn't Like Preschool Either

Turns out college isn’t the only thing Rick Santorum conveniently opposes when he thinks it will score him points with the idiots in his base. He thinks that whole education thing, from preschool all the way through, is just a government plot to indoctrinate your children.

“It is a parent’s responsibility to educate their children. It is not the government’s job. We have sort of lost focus here a little bit. Of course, the government wants their hands on your children as fast as they can. That is why I opposed all these early starts and pre-early starts, and early-early starts. They want your children from the womb so they can indoctrinate your children as to what they want them to be. I am against that.”

I think he actually means it. But when your beliefs about the world are as backward and contrary to reality as his are, any attempt to teach what is true must seem like an attack.

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  • ci50158

    He opposes organizations getting a hold of children as early as possible and indoctrinating them.

    Oh, the irony.

  • shouldbeworking

    He rails against government involvement in healthcare because Big Business can do it much more effectively. But he is against government in education because it will indoctrinate the children? Sure worked well with Mr. Frothy, didn’t it?

  • tricycle

    “The stability of a republican form of government depending mainly upon the intelligence of the people, it is the duty of the legislature to establish a general and uniform system of public schools. The legislature shall make such provisions by taxation or otherwise as will secure a thorough and efficient system of public schools throughout the state.”

    Minnesota Constitution, article XIII, § 1.

    It appears that Rick Santorum stands in opposition to the Minnesota state constitution.

  • lclane2

    Santorum doesn’t like anything that happened after the 17th century.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=611844223 Balstrome

    If he hates government so much, why the jesus does he want to be president? Okay, he does not call it president, I know he calls it papacy.

  • Zugswang

    The fact that the Republican Party hasn’t completely abandoned this guy speaks volumes. The atavism this man has demonstrated was considered untenable 60 years ago; how the hell is anyone even passingly familiar with this man still providing any kind of verbal or financial support?

    I cannot even begin to find the words to accurately describe how idiotic this man is, and how much it frustrates me that anyone can find him appealing.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    Is he trying to take the anti-gummint-paranoid-delusional vote from Ron Paul? If so, he just might succeed — Ron Paul’s comments on education are even loopier, but not by much. (Anyone still think RP is fundamentally at odds with the rest of his party?)

  • The Lorax

    I’m surprised; Newt seems to have a pretty decent education policy. Or, at least, it’s good compared to the other three.

    I can’t say anything about Santorum’s comment. Seriously, my brain has recoiled in fear from that comment, and is currently curled up in a dark corner, shivering.

  • timothyyoung

    I would say that even things like mother showing which berries are poison interferes with the direct relationship between child and God.

  • http://iamaperture.wordpress.com Zinc Avenger

    You know what else is librul indoctrination?

    Toilet brushes.

    A true conservative knows that accretions of crap on porcelain are a natural part of life, and the Invisible Hand of the Toilet will remove chunks which get too big.

  • Libby Anne

    This is what I was taught growing up. Daycare and preschool were portrayed as ways for mothers to abandon their children. The benefits? Nope. Nada. Crazy stuff.

  • JustaTech

    Wow, Santorum got a two-fur with this statement. “Education is a government plot and therefore evil” and “Women should not work outside the home”. *golf clap* Well done. It’s not every day that he manages to be against greater economic prosperity (women in the workforce now, more educated work force later) and social issues. I’m very impressed that anyone could get all that stupid in one grammatically correct statement.

  • eric

    You can just see this guy living in the 1100s or 1200s, burning bibles printed in non-latin vernacular languages, for fear the laity will begin to think on their own.

    Actually, I can pretty much see him opposed to reading now.

  • unbound

    Well, the corporations can’t have their mindless zombie workers if the government actually teaches them how to think.

  • Chiroptera

    Santorum: It is a parent’s responsibility to educate their children. It is not the government’s job.

    Right. Because parents know all that they need to know about history and math and the physical sciences and biology and music and physical education to properly educate their kids. And they have all the resources necessary to do it, too.

    (Come to think of it, in the US, too many people really do think that just anyone can teach grade school, and I think this is one of the sources of the problems in our education system.)

    Actually, it’s the parent’s responsibility to make sure their kids get an education. And, yes, for most people in the US, the most efficient and only feasible way to do it is through government run schools.

  • Randomfactor

    HIS kids were home-schooled through a government program–which he was not entitled to use without lying about his residence.

    So he lied about his residence.

  • TheAllen

    I wonder how he is on children in Catholic preschools?

  • raven

    Santorum has BA, MBA, and JD degrees from public Pennsylvania universities.

    This has helped him make $3.6 million last year as a corporate lobbyist. He doesn’t want to be ignorant and poor. He wants YOU to be ignorant and poor. Guy is a flaming hypocrite.

    A lot of women have noticed Santorum’s New Dark Age plans for them. Many of them don’t like it. Xpost from Pharyngula.

    Another potentially key split was by gender: Exit poll results found an exact even split between Santorum and Romney among men. By contrast, Romney held an 11-point lead over Santorum among working women in Ohio, and led by 14 points among non-married women – perhaps marking Santorum’s controversial comments on some women’s issues.

    The Tea Party/GOP War on Women is costing them a lot of votes. There has been a marked gender disparity in voting patterns for decades.

    Women elected Bill Clinton twice and Obama once.

    No surprise. The surprise is that it isn’t a greater disparity.

  • raven

    Homeschooling is a good way to make sure your children never know more than you.

    FWIW, this isn’t necessarily true, it is just true in some cases. For the fundies that is probably the exact idea, a feature not a bug.

    Some statistics show that the majority of homeschoolers are now non-fundie xians and many of those don’t want their kids to be bullied or stuck in failing schools.

  • ShowMetheData

    Pre-school contains the arduous(for Santorum) tasks like linking shapes and not crapping his pants. Apparently he failed that and now has to sneer at the “liberla elitists” in Grade One who can stack things and make shapes.

  • http://www.holytape.etsy.com holytape

    The rest of his speech would have been about the evils of fire, but there was a lightening strike in the distance, which spook Santorum. He spent the next thirty minutes hiding under the podium making grunting noises. He was eventually lured back into the open with a pop-tart on a string.

    “As a Santorum speech goes, this one went well. After all, he didn’t fling any feces or attack the photographers for stealing his soul…..God, I need a drink,” commented Santorum’s handler.

  • http://festeringscabofrealityblogspot.com fifthdentist

    “Women elected Bill Clinton twice and Obama once.

    No surprise. The surprise is that it isn’t a greater disparity.”

    What surprises me is that the Rethugs get more than 20 percent in ANY election.

  • sailor1031

    I am surprised at how perceptive Santorum seems to be about this. He knows he’s ignorant. He knows he’s stupid. He knows he’s brainwashed and, as the product of about twenty years of schooling (all of it at public expense but one year of highschool) he knows where the problem lies. If only Gingrich had this kind of self-knowledge.

  • ‘Tis Himself, OM

    Santorum expects the people who work two jobs just to make ends meet to also homeschool their children. Someone needs to explain to this 1%er that most Americans don’t have the time, training or inclination to homeschool their kids.

  • tbp1

    An Onion headline from a few days ago:

    Voters Slowly Realizing Santorum Believes Every Deranged Word That Comes Out Of His Mouth.

  • juice

    As stupid as it is, you’ve got to admit that it’s working for him. *shudder*

  • w00dview

    Well, I do believe he has a point. What is one of the things they teach you in preschool? Learning to play with others and sharing? What is sharing? Redistribution of wealth! It is commie propaganda being drilled into their skulls and I for one applaud Sanatorum to deliver the truth about these state run hellholes!

    /sarcasm

    But seriously, has any wingnut made this argument about kindergarten? Modern American conservatives have become such exaggerated caricatures of themselves that I will not be surprised if some right wing pundit starts screeching that children sharing their toys will wreck this Gawd fearing nation apart.

  • http://www.thomaswebb.net pinkboi

    He has a point about indoctrination but it’s not Left-wing views that our schools indoctrinate children with, it’s the nationalist crackpot history they get taught in elementary school.

  • Trebuchet

    An Onion headline from a few days ago:

    Voters Slowly Realizing Santorum Believes Every Deranged Word That Comes Out Of His Mouth.

    I saw that as well. The Onion isn’t always satire. Too bad they missed the obvious corollary: Mitt Romney doesn’t believe a single word that comes out of his mouth.

  • eric

    Too bad they missed the obvious corollary: Mitt Romney doesn’t believe a single word that comes out of his mouth.

    Maybe a better headline would’ve been: 50% of Mitt Romney doesn’t believe a single word that comes out of his mouth. :)

  • Azkyroth

    Santorum Doesn’t Like Preschool Either

    It’s too challenging for him?

  • left0ver1under

    Santorum is obviously not smart enough to notice he’s shooting himself in the foot.

    Only the wealthy can actually afford day care, so it’s not like he’s attacking the poor.

  • http://timgueguen.blogspot.com timgueguen

    Funny, but I thought it was parents who were behind the move to get kids into some sort of schooling as early as possible. They all figure their little Bobby or Suzie will be a 6 year old supergenius if they’re taught their ABCs starting at 6 months.

  • Chiroptera

    left0ver1under, #32: Only the wealthy can actually afford day care, so it’s not like he’s attacking the poor.

    SOP: part of the strategy to keep the working classes voting against their own interests. Demonize these things, like public education in general, like subsidize health care, like contraception, all so that the privileges that citizens of other countries take for granted will continue to be availiable in the US to the wealthy.

  • fastlane

    Santorum: “It is a parent’s responsibility to educate their children. It is not the government’s job.”

    Quick, someone ask him how he feels about school prayer!

  • peterh

    “Homeschooling is a good way to make sure your children never know more than you.”

    Can I steal that?

  • raven

    “Homeschooling is a good way to make sure your children never know more than you.”

    Can I steal that?

    Sure. After all, I stole it from someone else.

    It’s not true of all homeschoolers, just a certain cultural grouping of them, the Santorumists.

  • raven

    Santorum: “It is a parent’s responsibility to educate their children. It is not the government’s job.”

    And just who is the government? In a democracy, the people’s elected representatives. It’s all in the constitution and Declaration of Independence.

    Santorum, as a lawyer knows this. He is deliberately trying to claim the government is separate from the people who chose the people who run the government.

    Same with the public schools. They are how the parents educate their children, supported by a large chunk of their taxes. I pay federal, state, local, and property taxes, much of which goes to the schools. I also periodically vote for school bond issues even though I don’t have kids in public schools anymore.

  • otrame

    I swear, if this person gets elected, I will know my country is dead, and I will leave.

    I like Wales.

  • http://inmyunbelief.wordpress.com TCC

    …and ci50158 wins the Internet in one. Seriously, Santorum only doesn’t like (public) preschool because it’s the wrong kind of indoctrination.

    Someone in another forum once told me, “Indoctrination is just education you don’t like,” and while I think that definition is a bit off, it certainly seems to be the working definition for a lot of people like Santorum.

  • Reginald Selkirk

    “… Of course, the government wants their hands on your children as fast as they can. That is why I opposed all these early starts and pre-early starts, and early-early starts. They want your children from the womb so they can indoctrinate your children as to what they want them to be. I am against that.”

    “Unless of course it is indoctrination I agree with, like stories about Jesus riding dinosaurs.” Recall that this ass-hat has tried to get Creationism into the schools.

  • anandine

    This is something I know quite a bit about. The difference in success in kindergarten (and therefore school in general) between kids of professional parents and parents on welfare is the number of words the kids hear every day. Kids of professional parents hear about 6 times as many words per day as kids of parents on welfare. In one study, the observed vocabulary of 3 year olds of professional parents was bigger than the observed vocabularies of the parents on welfare.

    Preschool doesn’t affect rich kids much. They are progressing as fast and as far as their genes will take them. It affects poor kids quite a bit. The easiest way to reduce the education gap (and therefore the adult income gap) between poor kids and rich kids is to fully fund high-quality preschool for poor kids as early as we can afford it.

  • Michael Heath

    Rick Santorum:

    “It is a parent’s responsibility to educate their children. It is not the government’s job. We have sort of lost focus here a little bit. Of course, the government wants their hands on your children as fast as they can.

    Well we’re the government, and some of us in ‘We the People’ do support public education. Precisely because we think the right of children to be properly educated overwhelmingly trumps the right of parents to decide such matters in a way that prevents children from getting a minimal education. Especially since Rick Santorum effectively argues for the indoctrination of children to be: misinformed, unable to think critically, submissive to conservative religious-political leaders, ignorant on matters which falsify Christianity and other facts conservative Christians find inconvenient, along with being properly hateful and bigoted, e.g., gays, Muslims, scientists, academics, economists, secularists, liberals, and atheists.

    I’m struggling not to go Aquaria all over Rick Santorum’s ass given his repeated attacks on the rights of individual children. [I kid Aquaria!]

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    Michael Heath:

    I have been reading Aquaria’s fine rants for, what, two years? I savor the over the top skullfuckinvective of her attacks on douchebags like Santorum. I feel that I know Aquaria, at least in that regard. You, sir, are no Aquaria! ;>)

    This:

    “I wonder how he is on children in Catholic preschools?”

    Assuming you don’t meant that in a “ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, disgusting!” sortaway, I would say that Li’l Rick is fine with that; ‘cuz he knows that what they’re learning is to keep their mouths shut about what the priests do to them.

  • meg

    @Chiroptera

    “Because parents know all that they need to know about history and math and the physical sciences and biology and music and physical education to properly educate their kids. And they have all the resources necessary to do it, too.”

    As an ex teacher, omg. . . I once had a parent tell me I should not be teaching WW1 because it was of no relevance to the modern world.

    My response was as follows:

    a) It’s the mandatory core topic for the NSW Year 12 Modern History syllabus.

    b) WW1 is the major cause of pretty much every current conflict at present in the world.

    He came back with ‘no, what’s it got to do with the Middle East or Vietnam or Bosnia?’ (This was pre 2001)

    I decided against explaining that the war was the immediate catalyst for all of those situations, to a greater or lesser extent, and repeated point a.

  • http://anexerciseinfutility.blogspot.com tommykey

    What’s that Jesuit line, give me the child for the first 7 years and we’ll mold the man? I guess indoctrination is okay if it is done by Catholics.

  • http://anexerciseinfutility.blogspot.com tommykey

    Meg, you should have asked the parent if he ever saw Lawrence of Arabia!

  • bybelknap

    Another vote for Aquaria’s awesomely in-their-face fuck-off-isms.

  • Chiroptera

    meg, #45: I once had a parent tell me I should not be teaching WW1 because it was of no relevance to the modern world.

    Heh. I’m lucky to be teaching college. When a student asks me, “Why do I have to know this?” I can reply, “You don’t. No one is going to make you. You are here of your own free will.”

  • Crudely Wrott

    I . . . just can’t say anything. Maybe be a weak, sub-vocalized, “Wow” as my stomach falls into my shoes and my teeth move about and clash in my mouth, totally dazzling my tongue. Hands clenching aimlessly, spasmodically.

    No choice now. I’m energizing the Aquaria Signal! If we ever needed help, it’s now!

  • ld
  • rilian

    I agree with santorum. It’s the parents’ job to see to their children’s education. They shouldn’t just wash their hands of it and say “Hey, that’s the government’s job.” The difference between me and him in this issue is that I wouldn’t be trying to indoctrinate my children myself… I would be trying to help them explore and learn whatever they want.

  • meg

    @tommykey #47 – you kidding? I doubt he knew where Arabia was.

    @Chiroptera #49 – I tutor privately now (note – we’ve had an interesting few weeks here in Oz politics,) but I have one student who, every week this year, has at the end of each session asked me to explain something that’s happened in the world. Oz politics, US presidential nomination system, etc. His parents are Indonesian, and he tells me they don’t like discussing politics – when they lived Indonesia, it was dangerous. So he asks me – I love it. He wants to know. I’m always telling him to look into things further, never accept the first argument etc. I suspect this week will be Kony 2012!

  • StevoR

    Oh ye-non-existent-gods!! Santorum really doe swant them kept ignorant doesn’t he – so ignornat they’re not even graduating toilet trainingand finger painting.

    And this douchecanoe was the Republican for qute awhile and remains second intheir race behind Mittens Romney. What the ..!

  • StevoR

    Sorry about the typos folks. Hope y’all get the gist anyhow.

  • Aquaria

    You can just see this guy living in the 1100s or 1200s, burning bibles printed in non-latin vernacular languages, for fear the laity will begin to think on their own.

    Actually, I can pretty much see him opposed to reading now.

    Now you understand why a columnist at the Philadelphia Inquirer called Santorum “one of the finest minds of the 13th century.”

    I’m struggling not to go Aquaria all over Rick Santorum’s ass given his repeated attacks on the rights of individual children. [I kid Aquaria!]

    No offense taken, Heath.

    I’ve never had much patience for stupid, and I was somehow born with a very tart tongue to go with it (my grandfather called this combination “snap in her garters”). The older I get, the less patience I have. Or the more snap in my garters. However y’all want to look at it.

  • StevoR

    @39. otrame :

    I swear, if this person gets elected, I will know my country is dead, and I will leave. I like Wales.

    yeah, I gather frommy Welsh origin friends that Wales is pretty lush! 😉

  • StevoR

    Aquaria : You area legend in the Aussie sense of the word. Love your comments here mate. [Raised beer salute.] :-)

    However :

    Now you understand why a columnist at the Philadelphia Inquirer called Santorum “one of the finest minds of the 13th century.”

    I do think that’s abitharsh onthe 13tth centiry. There were some smarter people living back then than Mr Stinkyfroth the santorum. Many, a great many indeed of them, methinks.

  • StevoR

    Dangnabbit. One day I’ll learn to type right first time & preview properly when i’m drunk. Tonight is obviously not that time. Sigh.

  • Aquaria

    It is a parent’s responsibility to educate their children. It is not the government’s job. We have sort of lost focus here a little bit. Of course, the government wants their hands on your children as fast as they can. That is why I opposed all these early starts and pre-early starts, and early-early starts. They want your children from the womb so they can indoctrinate your children as to what they want them to be. I am against that.

    Oh, the irony…

    If you replace “government” with “Catholic Church”, a) it makes more sense, and b) Ricky would be all for it.

    Fucking hypocritical douchebag.

  • StevoR

    Typo corrections for clarity :

    That’s :

    ***

    #58.Aquaria : You are a legend in the Aussie sense of the word.

    I do think that’s a bit harsh on the 13th century though.

    #54. Santorum really does want them kept ignorant doesn’t he – so ignorant they’re not even graduating toilet training and finger painting. And this douchecanoe was the Republican frontrunner for quite a while and remains second in their race for Presidential nominee behind Mittens Romney. What the ..!

    #59. when I’m drunk.

    ***

    Hope this helps. Mea culpa. My apolgies.

  • jamessweet

    Heh, wow. There’s actually some reasonable disagreement over whether early starts to schooling actually do anything worthwhile, or if they might even be a net negative. Of course, that’s all based in, you know, actual research about how kids do in the following years, not on liberal boogeymen. Yeesh, Santorum is such an idiot.

  • stace

    The scary thing to me is that this guy actually has a shot at becoming President. Maybe not much of a shot, but a shot nonetheless. I just hope and pray to whatever divine being I don’t really believe in that his chance doesn’t somehow metastasize into something much greater.

  • eric

    tim @33: Funny, but I thought it was parents who were behind the move to get kids into some sort of schooling as early as possible.

    Based only on news articles, I hear the new trend is actually to ‘red shirt’ your kid, intentionally holding them back a year or having them go to 2 years of kindergarten. The thinking behind this is, your kid will be bigger, smarter, and more mature than their classmates. A first grade course that is challenging for a 7 year old may be less challenging for an 8 year old, and thus your kid will get better grades, hopefully leading to better college/more success.

    I don’t agree with it, I’m just giving out the info.

  • kermit.

    StevoR: Dangnabbit. One day I’ll learn to type right first time & preview properly when i’m drunk.

    Well, that’s what you get for previewing when sober.

  • kermit.

    As an aside, I find Savage’s redefinition of Santorum’s name to be funny, yes, but I don’t use it for cheap shots (not that he doesn’t deserve ’em). But there are other people named Santorum. Can you imagine being some grade school kid in the US right now, with a family name of “Santorum”?

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    “A first grade course that is challenging for a 7 year old may be less challenging for an 8 year old, and thus your kid will get better grades, hopefully leading to better college/more success.”

    Well, shit, that explains a lot.

    I started 1st grade when I was 5. I graduated HS, dropped out of college and went in the military before I was 19. I’ve been cheated!!