Santorum: Marriage Equality Will Destroy Marriage, the Church

Rick Santorum spoke to an anti-gay group called the Family Policy Institute of Washington in Spokane recently and delivered one of his usual diatribes about how letting gay people get married will destroy the institution of marriage, the entire Christian church and lead to dogs and cats living together.

“The movement you are fighting is the most important movement to win,” Santorum added. He said it is even more important that the movement to block abortion in America. He warned that marriage will “disintegrate” along with the American family if same-sex marriage becomes legal.

“This issue will destroy and undermine the church in American more than any other movement,” said Santorum.

It will destroy the church! Except, of course, it won’t. In fact, it won’t do a damn thing to the church, which won’t have to do anything they don’t currently do. These people are completely impervious to reality. They make these insane predictions of impending doom and then, when they don’t happen, they just move on to the next insane prediction as if they weren’t proven wrong on every other one they’ve ever made.

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  • Alverant

    I’m not going to listen to this moron, but does he explain HOW letting two people of the same gender to get married is going to destroy someone else’s marriage?

  • bcmystery

    Clearly his marriage is hanging by a thread.

  • http://rockstarramblings.blogspot.com/ Bronze Dog

    I think I just had an insane troll logic moment:

    If we let same sex couples marry by declaring that marriage is a mutual consent-based agreement, that’ll lead to the terrifying prospect that people like me will feel like we have a choice to remain single and/or virgins instead of being forced into loveless marriages. The horror!

  • gepark

    Just once – just once, I would like someone at one of these things – preferably televised – to ask the question “How? How wil this destroy all those things?”.

  • imrryr

    “The movement you are fighting is the most important movement to win,”

    Fortunately, they have Rick Santorum on their side. He knows all about winning, lol.

  • steve84

    And destroying churches would be a bad thing how exactly?

  • Matrim

    @1 > The argument I most commonly hear is that allowing gay marriage will legitimize it. This, of course, means that they will teach homosexuality in schools, which is all just a veiled recruitment tool for teh gayz. This will result in all our children being atheist homosexuals.

    The less conspiracy laden, but every bit as hateful, alternative is that if we allow gay people to get married, it will be harder to keep them marginalized. This will lead all the closeted and questioning people to feel free to express themselves, which is of course sinful.

  • cptdoom

    Remember, though, marriage is completely undamaged when we let straight people divorce and remarry, when we allow convicted murderers on death row to marry, or allow single mothers to marry men who did not father their illegitimate children (yes, I am referring to Frothy Mix’s good friend Maggie Gallagher). For all of their talk about “protecting” the institution of marriage, neither Frothy nor his fellow fundies seem to ever complain about other politicians who make a mockery of the institution on a regular basis.

  • DaveL

    He’s right, you just have to understand that for him, “the church” is a means to civil political power, and “marriage” is an arrangement by which a man owns a woman. Anything that promotes equality or rationalism must necessarily be an attack on “the church” and “marriage” the way he defines them.

  • Michael Heath

    Ed writes:

    It will destroy the church! Except, of course, it won’t. In fact, it won’t do a damn thing to the church, which won’t have to do anything they don’t currently do. These people are completely impervious to reality.

    I think those denominations which discriminate against females along with GLBTs and their families will have to adapt or die as gays’ rights are more equally protected.

    Why these churches’ adult female members and the public in general doesn’t protest this type of sexist form of bigotry more relentlessly is not something I understand. However that pass on women doesn’t seem feasible in the long-term when it comes to their treatment of GLBTs and their families; that maintaining their bigotry by gays won’t be avoided by the public at large but instead increasingly cause these denomination to be identified as bigoted by definition.

    I think these churches perceive this is the trend which is one major reasons why they’re so vociferous in the public square with society accepting gays as people rather than monsters who should go back into hiding.

    The reason seems obvious in spite of their getting a pass on women; to maintain their position on gays, they can’t have them unrepentantly out and offer them membership. These churches can’t merely treat gayls like second class citizens as they do now with their women members with families since they’re attached to a man. These churches continued ostracizing of gays who can only belong if they’re repentent about their sexual identification and unattached presents a clear marker, they’re bigots, which of course they are. So I suspect some denominations will figure out a way to reconcile the Bible to their need to accept gays, gay couples, and their families, while others won’t and continue to become increasingly viewed as the hate groups they already are. Conservative Christians sense this choice and hate the fact another alternative is increasingly unviable, which is getting society at large back on the same page with them in their hatred of gays in order to get them back in the closet.

  • Sastra

    If same-sex marriage becomes legal it will no longer be considered morally wrong by most people — and the people in Santorum’s church will no longer be able to labor under the delusion that most of the people who are NOT in the church think of their church as just too moral and “hard” to follow.

    Instead, they will know that the vast majority of the people who don’t join their church reject it because they think it’s morally wrong. They will no longer be able to maintain that smug little background assumption that they live in a culture which secretly envies them.

  • raven

    “This issue will destroy and undermine the church in American more than any other movement,” said Santorum.

    What will destroy the churches is the fact that they have people like Santorum as leaders and spokespeople.

    A lot of people don’t want to be mindless bigots and haters.

    In point of fact, in recent years his own church, the RCC has lost 1/3 of its membership, 22 million people. 10% of the US population are ex-Catholics.

    Vancouver Sun Douglas Todd

    The Catholic church is losing huge numbers of members. If ex-Catholics were their own denomination, they would make up the third largest denomination in the United States, according to The National Catholic Reporter. Canadians have much to learn from a powerful new study released by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, which shows that one out every 10 Americans is now an ex-Catholic. {Scroll through my take on more Catholic church issues.}

    “Any other institution that lost one-third of its members would want to know why. But the U.S. bishops have never devoted any time at their national meetings to discussing the exodus. Nor have they spent a dime trying to find out why it is happening,” writes Jesuit Father Thomas Reese continues

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1360322113 aaronbaker

    And would a comprehensive, lasting peace between dogs and cats be such a bad thing?

  • Doug Little

    This issue will destroy and undermine the church in American more than any other movement,” said Santorum

    Yes it will play it’s part but not in the way Santorum believes it will. There is an easy way out of this for the church and that is to reinterpret the bible to be pro gay marriage and stuff all the anti gay bigotry down the memory hole. Of course this will most probably cause a schism among most churches and we will end up with even more sects of Xianity that we already do.

  • eric

    The organizations which are hierarchically above individual congregations will survive – because they will change their position. Just as the Southern Baptists survived the civil war and much later civil rights era. But individual congregations which continue to marginalize gays will suffer losses in membership, numbers of congregations, and power within those greater organizations. Again, just as there are practically zero SBC churches in favor of slavery today.

    I think Santorum is very much right that his opinion on gays will likely not continue to be the dominant position of most protestant denominations after this generation. But, Santorum is RCC, and the RCC doesn’t change as quickly. For them, I wouldn’t be surprised if this issue was treated something like the birth control issue – 50 years from now the RCC will still be ‘officially’ pronouncing against gays, and 99% of their members will just be ignoring them on it.

  • http://rockstarramblings.blogspot.com/ Bronze Dog

    If same-sex marriage becomes legal it will no longer be considered morally wrong by most people — and the people in Santorum’s church will no longer be able to labor under the delusion that most of the people who are NOT in the church think of their church as just too moral and “hard” to follow.

    Instead, they will know that the vast majority of the people who don’t join their church reject it because they think it’s morally wrong.

    That’s one of the annoying things when I argue with fundie trolls. I can’t get it through their thick skulls that I consider their church to be a wretched hive of scum and villainy to be avoided and condemned, not some morally superior institution I can’t live up to.

  • raven

    I can’t get it through their thick skulls that I consider their church to be a wretched hive of scum and villainy to be avoided and condemned, not some morally superior institution I can’t live up to.

    I just point out that their church is evil and worships a Sky Monster god whose best feature is that it doesn’t really exist.

    If they don’t get it, that is their problem, not mine.

  • marcus

    There it is again, it should be their official motto:

    Republicans, completely impervious to reality.

  • roggg

    Well, I’m a Canadian, and if allowing gay marriage is going to destroy the church, I just wish it would hurry up and get on with it.

  • Childermass

    I guess we will add that to the list of things that will destroy the Church but which for some reason haven’t yet.

  • Reginald Selkirk

    O, the dilemma! I would love to contribute to the destruction of the church, but I’m not gay.

  • Tâlib Alttaawiil (طالب التاويل)

    “This issue will destroy and undermine the church in America”

    cool! now i support gay marriage even more than i already did! let’s have gay marriage please now!

  • footface

    I think Sastra @ 11 has it:

    These people have an image of themselves as better people than the rest of us, as a besieged few.

    They WANT same-sex marriage to threaten them, because it affirms them.

  • Moggie

    The church? There’s more than one, and they aren’t all equally vulnerable to the gay destructo-ray. I imagine a sizeable proportion of American Quakers would be perfectly fine with marriage equality, for example.

  • slc1

    Re raven @ #12

    “Any other institution that lost one-third of its members would want to know why. But the U.S. bishops have never devoted any time at their national meetings to discussing the exodus.

    The reason why is very simple. The strategy of Joe the rat is to get rid of the cafeteria and cultural Catholics, reducing membership to the true believers like Santorum.

  • fastlane

    In fact, it won’t do a damn thing to the church, which won’t have to do anything they don’t currently do.

    Hopes…dashed.

    Gee thanks Ed, you big poopyhead!

  • abb3w

    It may help facilitate the erosion of religious authority, in that it will be a prominent area where secular governmental authority will clearly disagree on conclusions, making more people think about which is “correct” on the issue. Individuals’ degree of trust in the authority and the inherent strength of the argument both seem to affect the decision on it. So, is he convinced that the Church’s position is actually in error, or is he convinced that people no longer consider the Church trustable?

  • marcozandrini

    I guess the Catholic Church must be extremely weak and on life support. And Ricky’s marriage must be on the rocks! Oh well.

  • dan4

    This sounds like lazy syllogism-based thinking:

    The church is good.

    The family is good.

    Gay marriage is bad.

    Therefore, legalization of gay marriage=destruction of the church and the family.

  • StevoR

    It will destroy the church! Except, of course, it won’t.

    Pity. If only it would.

    @21. Reginald Selkirk :

    O, the dilemma! I would love to contribute to the destruction of the church, but I’m not gay.

    Sure you already know this; but you don’t have to be gay to support equal marriage. There’s lots that straight allies can do to help.

    @15. eric :

    .. But individual congregations which continue to marginalize gays will suffer losses in membership, numbers of congregations, and power within those greater organizations. Again, just as there are practically zero SBC churches in favor of slavery today.

    I fear you might have left out the word ‘openly’ in there between ‘churches’ and ‘in’. I suspect more than a few – and the mormons – openly claim to oppose slavery but really still yearn for those “good old days” when the Church went unquestioned and the ladies and n***rs knew their place and who, quite literally, owned them. (Hurts to type that – even with asterisks.) They won’t come out and say it publicly, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if a sizeable percentage of the uber-religious uber-Right thought and felt that disgusting way.

    .. But, Santorum is RCC, and the RCC doesn’t change as quickly. For them, I wouldn’t be surprised if this issue was treated something like the birth control issue – 50 years from now the RCC will still be ‘officially’ pronouncing against gays, and 99% of their members will just be ignoring them on it.

    I’d reckon we’re pretty much at that point already – at least in many regions, states and nations. Maybe its not yet at the 99% ignoring the Official Church Homophobia level but it’d have to be at least 75-80% in my view.

  • crowepps

    Actually, I think Santorum may be right. If Catholic gays are aware that society considers they too are eligible for Happy Ever After, the available pool from which priests are selected will evaporate. Without midlevel managers and staff providing ‘services’ like marriages, christenings and burials, how will the money get collected and funneled up to the heirarchy?

  • http://criticallyskeptic-dckitty.blogspot.com Katherine Lorraine, Chaton de la Mort

    This is the area that I have the most trouble with my family. They speak of equal rights and such, but when gay marriage comes up, they just wiffle-waffle it around and claim some BS about how gay marriage will delegalize the ministerial exception – usually by making claims about some church in Canada or some Christian businesses being forced to recognize a gay wedding. Neither of those fall under the ministerial exception, they know it, but it’s their answer for why no gay marriage.

  • John Phillips, FCD

    “This issue will destroy and undermine the church in American more than any other movement,” said Santorum.

    Oh if only.

  • eric

    slc @25:

    The reason why is very simple. The strategy of Joe the rat is to get rid of the cafeteria and cultural Catholics, reducing membership to the true believers like Santorum.

    Its a bit more complicated (and cynical) than that. Part one of the strategy is to pressure cafeteria and cultural Catholics to obey Rome, by taking away any support they might get from the church and threatening to treat them as/call them non-catholics.

    Part two is to simultaneously insist that the outside world count anyone ever baptized Catholic as Catholic, so that the church appears as big and popular as possible.

    Its a “I don’t count you as family…pay no attention to my claiming you as a dependent on my tax returns” sort of two-step.

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    “I think those denominations which discriminate against females along with GLBTs and their families will have to adapt or die as gays’ rights are more equally protected.”

    Unless they can engineer the NEW PROMISED LAND via a KKKristian theoKKK*racy. Then they won’t be lobbying to get gays back in the closet but in caskets, or simply mass burials in unmarked graves along with the rest of the sinnerz.

    When people tell me that gays are subhuman, I usually ask them where their forebears came from. Nine times out of ten their forebears came to the U.S. to be free to act, speak and think in whatever way they please, without oppression by the state. Yeah, well, fuck those people.

    * I am sure that some of you who occassionally glance at my rants are annoyed that I use the “KKK” whenever possible in reference to things RWA and fundamnentalist in nature. Well, just be glad that “KKK” is such a recognizable acronym and that I’m not signing the way I do elsewhere as “democommie™™™™™©®ç åü courant, FCD and Defender of the Faithless”.

  • http://festeringscabofrealityblogspot.com fifthdentist

    “Marriage equality will destroy … the church.”

    Fuck, sign me up for up one of them gay marriages, stat! And would it help destroy the church quicker if I married two lesbians?

  • http://festeringscabofrealityblogspot.com fifthdentist

    @ Doug Little # 14

    The oldest Episcopalian congregation in my town was deep in the planning of celebrating their 100th anniversary later this year. Apparently something happened with the mother church involving the gays and the whole kit and kaboodle packed up, abandoned their building and formed a new Anglican congregation.

    The newer Episcopalian church apparently is accpenting of teh gheys.

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    “The newer Episcopalian church apparently is accpenting of teh gheys.”

    Just spitballing here, but what do you think the chances are that the schismatics (wasn’t that a band fronted by Wendy O. Williams?) are not just homophobes but racists, as well? Maybe they can call themselves, to avoid being confused with the older church group, “Episcopaleones”.

  • baal

    “It will destroy the church! Except, of course, it won’t. ”

    More’s the pity.

    Would that it did – I’d gay marry and ask my wife gay marry and hold a State blessed hand (fin?) fasting for our pet aquatic turtle (I’d have to find out if it’s male or female first so I could avoid an accidental het turtle finfasting fest).