Tea Partiers Tilt at Agenda 21 Windmills

The Huffington Post looks at the obsession that the Tea Party and other far-right groups have with Agenda 21, the almost entirely meaningless, non-binding agreement among nations to aim for more sustainable development. Since it was signed by the first President Bush in 1992, it’s done virtually nothing. But to hear the wingnuts tell it: Be afraid, be very afraid!

Tea Party activist Judd Saul admits that he can sound a little unhinged when he gets talking about an issue close to his heart that most Americans have never heard of.

“Agenda 21 is an elusive enemy that floats in and chokes you gradually,” said Saul, of the Cedar Valley Tea Party in Cedar Falls, Iowa. “They want to destroy the middle-class way of life.”

“Agenda 21 aims to undermine your property rights and force you” to live in cities, Jake Robinson told Tea Party members at a meeting in Murfreesboro, Tennessee, in April.

For Joe Dugan, leader of the Myrtle Beach Tea Party in South Carolina, “Agenda 21 is nothing short of treason.”…

Kim Simac, a member of the Northwoods Patriots in northern Wisconsin, believes a local sustainable development plan will shut down her horse-riding school because her business takes up more land than the plan allows for. Heather Gass says she has been fighting sustainable development plans in the San Francisco area that she says will include hefty road tolls and deliberately drive up gas prices “because they want to force us out of our cars.”

“It sounds crazy, but it’s true,” she added.

No, it sounds crazy because it is, in fact, crazy. But it’s the same crazy that we’ve heard from the paranoid right for decades. These were the same people who warned that Social Security and Medicare would make us into a communist country, complete with gulags. The same people who have for decades claimed that the UN was going to take over the country through this kind of entirely unenforceable agreement. Never mind that the American government treats the UN as it always has: When they agree with us, we speak grandly of the importance of international opinion and cooperation: and when it doesn’t, we tell them to go pound sand. And since we have veto power over every major decision, we can do whatever we want — and we do. If you really think the UN is going to take over America with its non-existent army, you need serious psychological help.

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  • raven

    We’ve got those in my area.

    It’s a favorite boogeyman of the John Birch Society. They are now vaguely aware that the commies are all gone and have moved on to the UN and Agenda 21.

    FWIW, the GOP opposed Agenda 21 at their convention in Tampa. I suppose they also came out against leprechauns, Bigfoot, zombies, and vampires as well.

    No, it sounds crazy because it is, in fact, crazy. But it’s the same crazy that we’ve heard from the paranoid right for decades.

    You left out the FEMA concentration camps and Space Reptiles.

  • raven

    infowars.com edited for length:

    It is well known that the Rockefeller Foundation is the prime sponsor of public relations for the United Nations’ drastic depopulation program. … the Foundation and its corporate, medical, and political associates organized the racial mass murder program of Nazi Germany,” writes Anton Chaitkin.

    The eugenicists are back with their latest program to kill an untold number of people under the cover of the “swine flu pandemic.” If you line up for a vaccination contaminated with mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde and other toxins — and a possible agent for future cancers designed to decimate world population — you need to have your head examined.

    However, as Ron Paul indicates, you may not have a choice — the government may force you to choose between a toxic vaccine and a FEMA camp.

    Did you know that the Rockefeller foundation runs the UN’s population reduction program?

    The swine flu vaccine will kill billions of people?

    Don’t bother not getting a swine flu shot. If you don’t you will be sent to a FEMA concentration camp.

    Of course, none of this ever happened during the new swine flu strain pandemic a few years ago. Thanks to our ever increasing ability to fight novel diseases, the death toll was higher than usual but far less than it would have been in times past.

    This is just lunatic fringe stuff. When one of their paranoid fantasies doesn’t come true, they just move on to the next one without seeming to even notice it was wrong.

  • raven

    Cthulhu, the UN and the Rockefellers made me bork the blockquotes. Once again.

    infowars.com edited for length:

    It is well known that the Rockefeller Foundation is the prime sponsor of public relations for the United Nations’ drastic depopulation program.

    … the Foundation and its corporate, medical, and political associates organized the racial mass murder program of Nazi Germany,” writes Anton Chaitkin.

    The eugenicists are back with their latest program to kill an untold number of people under the cover of the “swine flu pandemic.” If you line up for a vaccination contaminated with mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde and other toxins — and a possible agent for future cancers designed to decimate world population — you need to have your head examined.

    However, as Ron Paul indicates, you may not have a choice — the government may force you to choose between a toxic vaccine and a FEMA camp.

    Did you know that the Rockefeller foundation runs the UN’s population reduction program?

    The swine flu vaccine will kill billions of people?

    Don’t bother not getting a swine flu shot. If you don’t you will be sent to a FEMA concentration camp.

    Of course, none of this ever happened during the new swine flu strain pandemic a few years ago. Thanks to our ever increasing ability to fight novel diseases, the death toll was higher than usual but far less than it would have been in times past.

    This is just lunatic fringe stuff. When one of their paranoid fantasies doesn’t come true, they just move on to the next one without seeming to even notice it was wrong.

  • w00dview

    I do often wonder will these baseless conspiracy theories ever be used to further delay action on climate change? I imagine it only appealing to the tinfoil hats on the fringes of society. Of course, the frightening thing with the GOP lately is that the fringe have become the mainstream.

  • slc1

    Re raven @ #3

    By the way, this information give the lie to the claim that anti-vax movement is exclusively a left wing preoccupation.

  • bmiller

    we have these folks here in Northern California too. They came to a recent hearing and started babbling about secret conspiracies.

    OK. The simple reality is that modern suburbia is, over the medium to long term, unsustainable. Oil will be too expensive. It costs too much money to build ever bigger freeways so that Ethel and Bob can continue to drive 50 miles to work in their Suburbans. Suburban lifestyles are more “polluting” no matter how vocally they stick their fingers in their ears and shout “nanananananaana socialism”. None of this has squat to do with “Agenda 21”.

    So…change will be coming. Look at recent trends among “the youths” who are not choosing to get drivers’ licenses or buy suburban homes at the same rate as the preceding cohorts (of course, the Great Recession is a big part of this too)

  • dingojack

    bmiller – ‘Quick to the batpoles!!’

    [nanananananaana – socialism!!!!]

    :) Dingo

  • busterggi

    Clearly if these crazies believed this they would grab their guns and march to Europe and Asia to overthrow all their governments. Oh some people might say they can’t march across the oceans but I say they could IF they wanted to or at least they would try.

  • Skip White

    So they’re basically afraid Darth Obama’s going to activate Agenda 21 and hunt down all the goodly middle-class Jedi?

  • dcsohl

    Great FSM, do none of these people know how to read? Agenda 21 is right up there on the web to read in all its glory boringness.

    It’s a non-binding set of guidelines that they are encouraging local governments to adopt to encourage sustainable development. You don’t have to adopt all of it (seeing as how it’s non-binding and all), just take the bits and pieces you like, if any.

    There’s no power grab involved, any more than there would be if it was Greenpeace putting forth sustainability suggestions. There’s no teeth to it whatsoever. It’s all just, “gosh, it’d be nice if you made it so people could get around without needing to own or use their own individual cars” and stuff like that.

    It’s enough to make you despair at the human condition when you read things like the state of Alabama completely outlawing any development that is based on Agenda 21. What a bunch of nincompoops the far right has become.

  • Shawn Smith

    I do often wonder will these baseless conspiracy theories ever be used to further delay action on climate change?

    Well, my wife, her mom, and her brother think that chemtrails are a way of controlling the weather or climate. I have learned to just shut the fuck up about it.

  • DaveL

    Agenda 21 is a wet dream for Tea Partiers. As a non-binding resolution, you can’t expect there to be any direct connection between it and any particular measure it inspires. Therefore it allows them to connect any law, regulation, or project connected to environmental protection, urban planning, public health, energy independence, or foreign aid to the Evil United Nations and their Evil Marxist Plot to take over the world.

  • raven

    It’s enough to make you despair at the human condition when you read things like the state of Alabama completely outlawing any development that is based on Agenda 21.

    The other word they hate is “sustainable” and especially “sustainable development”.

    Apparently anything we do that isn’t going to wreck the environment and the planet is somehow bad.

    It makes no sense. This is lunatic fringe stuff but as a world leader in many areas, the USA has the largest lunatic fringes and they even have their own political party, the GOP.

  • reneholaday

    Hello Freethoughtblogs posters. I am really looking forward to providing you with some information on this subject that you probably aren’t aware of right now. First of all, lets be up front. I am an author and an expert on the subject of the UN and Agenda 21. I have written and published a book called “The Perils of Sustainable Development”. It can be ordered by sending a money order for $14.99 +$3.00 s/h to:

    Holaday Publishing

    P.O. Box 192

    Addy, WA 99101

    I have made it a quick and easy read by cutting through much of the boring information that government documents and UN website pages tend to be filled with, and have provided only the facts and direct quotes by UN officials and those implementing Agenda 21. This keeps it pure and simple in facts alone.

    I would encourage each and every one of you to buy a copy and read it for yourself so that you are sure that you aren’t missing some vital information. I am also not a Teaparty member, nor am I a member of the John Birch Society, but I do support their positions on the UN and Agenda 21.

    Just from reading through these few comments, I can see that none of the commenters know much about Agenda 21 at all, so I would strongly encourage you to buy the book. I am certain you will have a change of opinion about this subject once you have read through the facts I have presented.

    I have talked to endless amounts of people who thought that the Agenda 21 subject was all about “conspiracy theories”, and that only whackos are actively working against it, but once I answered some of their questions they realized that there was a lot of information they simply weren’t aware of. I am long over being worried about people thinking this is conspiracy theory, as that opinion changes rather quickly once they learn a bit more on this subject.

    For starters, can anyone give me the accurate definition of Sustainable Development? Lets start there, ok?

    Sincerely,

    Rene’ Holaday

    Author of “The Perils of Sustainable Development”

  • raven

    the state of Alabama completely outlawing any development that is based on Agenda 21.

    That is easy to do inasmuch as Agenda 21 in a nonbinding set of suggestions. It is basically meaningless to outlaw suggestions.

    I suppose the state of Alabama has also outlawed ghosts, zombies, fairies, and werewolves as well.

  • raven

    I am an author and an expert on the subject of the UN and Agenda 21.

    OK. You are a self admitted kook and crackpot.

    Well babble away. It should be amusing.

    For starters, can anyone give me the accurate definition of Sustainable Development? Lets start there, ok?

    Naw. It’s your paranoid fantasy. You give your made up definition.

  • dcsohl

    Gosh, René, that Google News Alert sure is working out for you, to have so conveniently found this discussion just when you’re trying to sell more snake oil copies of your book. I think I will pass, though.

    Oh, and your Socratic technique needs a little work.

  • http://www.pandasthumb.org Area Man

    It’s enough to make you despair at the human condition when you read things like the state of Alabama completely outlawing any development that is based on Agenda 21. What a bunch of nincompoops the far right has become.

    The fact that we’re talking about something that is 100% harmless, was signed onto by a Republican administration, and is generally a nice idea up there with petting kittens and smelling flowers, and yet they still freak the fuck out about it, is why we’re doomed. These people live in a world of anti-reality. If this is the reaction they have to something so trivial and meaningless, what hope is there for any real reform?

  • kenbo

    ReneHoladay@14:

    I am really curious about your definition of “sustainable development.” Also, I am curious about what type of development you would support, if it is not “sustainable.”

    kenbo

  • http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    dcsohl “It’s enough to make you despair at the human condition when you read things like the state of Alabama completely outlawing any development that is based on Agenda 21.”

    On the other hand, it is nice to hear that Alabama is using such big words.

    reneholaday “Sincerely, Rene’ Holaday”

    That sounds like one of them ferrin names! These colors don’t run! Get him, boys!

  • reneholaday

    Hello!

    Ok, since maybe you don’t know the actual definition of Sustainable Development, I can provide that for you.

    Sustainable Development is the same thing as Agenda 21- the terms are used interchangeably. In fact, the UN’s full technical term is “The UN’s Sustainable Development Agenda 21”. Initially, when it was first brought home to the USA by George Bush Sr. in 1992 after the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development(UNCED), it was simply referred to as “Agenda 21”.

    As for the actual definition of Sustainable Development, previous Prime Minister of England, Tony Blair said it best when he stated “There is Capitalism, there is Communism, and now there is Sustainable Development.” Sustainable Development is in fact the form of ism employed by the United Nations.

    America employs Capitalism, China employs Communism, the United Nations employs Sustainable Development. As a type of method of governance, Sustainable Development is a eco-governance system based on a combination of both Communism and Fascism. If you’d like me to elaborate more here, I’d be happy to?

    Next question; Can any of you tell me how many cities in the USA have adopted Sustainable Development?

    Sincerely,

    Rene’ Holaday

  • http://www.pandasthumb.org Area Man

    “If you’d like me to elaborate more here, I’d be happy to?”

    That’s okay, you’ve made a big enough fool of yourself already.

  • raven

    Rene Holaday lying:

    Sustainable Development is the same thing as Agenda 21- the terms are used interchangeably.

    Thought so. Rene is just lying a lot.

    This isn’t the defintion of sustainable development. It’s a paranoid strawperson dreamed up by a crackpot.

    wikipedia Sustainable Development:

    Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search See also: Sustainability

    Sustainable development (SD) is a pattern of economic development in which resource use aims to meet human needs while preserving the environment so that these needs can be met not only in the present, but also for generations to come…

    Here is one real definition of sustainable development from wikipedia.

    Rene, you are losing your audience already. Remember to work in Space Reptiles, Zombies, and ghosts in there somewhere or you are just wasting your time.

  • raven

    Next question; Can any of you tell me how many cities in the USA have adopted Sustainable Development?

    Mine did. As a vague principle that we should follow that no one pays any attention to.

    It made no difference. No jackbooted blue helemted UN soldiers, no tanks, no commies. A housing development was halted though. It was by those fellow travels of capitalism, the banks, who stopped funding it when the developers went bankrupt.

    PS I can see this isn’t going to be very amusing. I’ve got real work to do for my secret masters, the Sustainable Developers.

  • http://www.pandasthumb.org Area Man

    As for the actual definition of Sustainable Development, previous Prime Minister of England, Tony Blair said it best when he stated “There is Capitalism, there is Communism, and now there is Sustainable Development.”

    This quote sounded unlikely to me, so I thought I’d google it to see if Blair actually said this and if so, what context it was yanked out of. Turns out there is only one match on the web: to your webpage.

    So unless you have evidence to the contrary, I’m going to assume you fabricated this quote.

  • reneholaday

    Hello!

    Ok, back in 2009 when the city of Spokane, WA held a City Council hearing on the idea of adopting Sustainable Development, I attended to give testimony against the adoption of the plan.

    The hearing room was packed with environmentalists, environmental attorneys, professors of biology, etc. There were also about 100 people who showed up in opposition. All through the night the opposition would state they did not want the plan adopted because it was foreign, originated with the UN, and it didn’t belong in the USA because it carries horrible consequences for property rights and individual rights.

    After each person got up and opposed it, one of the attorneys or environmentalists would testify that we were all whackos and conspiracy theorists, and that Sustainable Development had absolutely nothing to do with the UN. After 2 hours of testimonies, the Spokane Mayor had to stand up and admit in front of her whole task force that yes, we were right- that it was in fact a foreign program. We all cheered.

    In fact, the Seattle Mayor had just left, and was instrumental in bringing “The UN’s Sustainable Development Agenda 21” home to his surrounding areas and cities. He had been attending the UN conferences in which the American mayors are told to bring home Sustainable Development.

    Sustainable Development was adopted throughout America with financial incentives in the form of grants. In order to qualify for these grants, cities had to link all the other UN programs together, which already exist in the cities. The grants therefore produced a completed network of UN governance programs.

    In fact one city council member came up to me after the hearing and told me that they were told that they were going to adopt Sustainable Development wether ther City Council voted to do so or not. I asked her how that was leagl and she said she didn’t know.

    So Spokane passed the plans to adopt Sustainable Development so they could get their grant money. What I didn’t know until about 2 weeks later was the fact that at the same time all over the nation, a total of 500 US cities had also adopted the UN’s Sustainable Development governance structure, but Spokane was the only city in the nation who was educated on the subject well enough to protest it.

    So the answer to the question is that in the spring of 2009, 500 US cities simultaneously adopted the UN’s Sustainable Development governance structures into their cities.

    Sincerely,

    Rene’ Holaday

  • reneholaday

    Hello!

    Actually there is something like 347 definitions that have been delivered for Sustainable Development. Mine is the only one that is accurate, because none of those 347 say anything about how it is a form of governance.

    Tony Blair did make that comment, and I don’t have a website, so I’m not sure what the one poster is talking about. You simply need to read a book called “Prince Charles, the Sustainable Prince” by Joan Veon. She did the most remarkable job in bringing back information from over 100 UN conferences that she attended around the world as an international journalist. Her information is in depth, not quite as easy of a read as mine, and very detailed.

    However, about the lying accusation, I can provide this direct quote for you to consider if you think I’m the one lying;

    “Participating in a UN advocated planning process would very likely bring out many of the conspiracy-fixated groups and individuals in our society who fear ‘one-world-government’ and a UN invasion of the United States through which our individual freedom would be stripped away, and would actively work to defeat any elected official who joined ‘the conspiracy’ by undertaking LA21(Agenda 21). So we call our process something else, such as comprehensive planning, growth management, or smart gorwth.” -J.Gary Lawrence, advisor to President Clinton’s Council on Sustainable Development

    Next question; Is it true that Agenda 21 threatens private property rights?

    Sincerely,

    Rene’ Holaday

  • macallan

    Ok, since maybe you don’t know the actual definition of Sustainable Development, I can provide that for you.

    Sustainable Development is the same thing as Agenda 21- the terms are used interchangeably. In fact, the UN’s full technical term is “The UN’s Sustainable Development Agenda 21″. Initially, when it was first brought home to the USA by George Bush Sr. in 1992 after the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development(UNCED), it was simply referred to as “Agenda 21″.

    As for the actual definition of Sustainable Development, previous Prime Minister of England, Tony Blair said it best when he stated “There is Capitalism, there is Communism, and now there is Sustainable Development.” Sustainable Development is in fact the form of ism employed by the United Nations.

    (more pointless, incoherent rambling cut)

    Please do everyone a favour and go look up what the word ‘definition’ means. I also have my doubts that you know what ‘socialism’, ‘communism’ etc. actually mean.

    Finally, England doesn’t have a Prime Minister. The UK does.

  • macallan

    *grumble grumble blockquote fail*

    Ok, since maybe you don’t know the actual definition of Sustainable Development, I can provide that for you.

    Sustainable Development is the same thing as Agenda 21- the terms are used interchangeably. In fact, the UN’s full technical term is “The UN’s Sustainable Development Agenda 21″. Initially, when it was first brought home to the USA by George Bush Sr. in 1992 after the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development(UNCED), it was simply referred to as “Agenda 21″.

    As for the actual definition of Sustainable Development, previous Prime Minister of England, Tony Blair said it best when he stated “There is Capitalism, there is Communism, and now there is Sustainable Development.” Sustainable Development is in fact the form of ism employed by the United Nations.

    (more pointless, incoherent rambling cut)

    Please do everyone a favour and go look up what the word ‘definition’ means. I also have my doubts that you know what ‘socialism’, ‘communism’ etc. actually mean.

    Finally, England doesn’t have a Prime Minister. The UK does.

  • macallan

    Holaday Publishing

    Rene’ Holaday

    So it’s a self-published screed that even the Alex Jones crowd wouldn’t touch?

  • lofgren

    How disappointing. I thought Rene was going to be at least a little bit fun. Alas.

    I love the fixation on quotes. So typical of a conspiracy theorist. “I’m not a conspiracy theorist. I just endorse their methods, rhetoric, and sloppy thinking.”

    Case in point, when accused of lying about the definition of sustainable development, he offers no evidence that the UN uses that term to refer to a fascistic system of governance (aside: I’m pretty sure Rene has no idea what “fascism” means) as opposed to the same thing everybody else means when they use the term, he offers a quote that, to anybody besides a conspiracy theorist, appears totally innocuous, albeit slightly sad. “Look, accusations of conspiracy have caused the government to relabel their program to preempt the kooks! Further evidence of a conspiracy!”

  • http://www.pandasthumb.org Area Man

    Tony Blair did make that comment, and I don’t have a website, so I’m not sure what the one poster is talking about.

    This page. It may not be your webpage, but it’s your article. That’s the only copy of that quote I can find on the entire interweb (except, now, here.) Don’t you think it’s a little suspicious that a world leader presumably made such a controversial statement and there’s not one citation of it anywhere else? I’m being overly generous in assuming that you can evaluate evidence in this way, but do ask yourself what is more likely, that Blair said this and no one but you knows about it, or that he never said it?

    You simply need to read a book called “Prince Charles, the Sustainable Prince” by Joan Veon.

    According to its Amazon page, the book is a loopy bit of nonsense that claims that the US is now technically under British rule (I can’t keep up with all our masters!) thanks to the UN. And that Prince Charles is the secret lord and ruler of the Earth. I’m wondering at this point if you’re a clever troll.

    Anyway, why not just provide us with the documentation for the quote? Surely the author provided the source in a footnote, yes? If there’s no documentary evidence, there’s no evidence at all.

    However, about the lying accusation, I can provide this direct quote for you to consider if you think I’m the one lying;

    That’s not the Blair quote I asked about. But as for that quote… are you really that incapable of understanding irony?

  • reneholaday

    Hello!

    Question:

    Is it true that “The UN’s Sustainable Development Agenda 21” threatens private property rights?

    Does anybody have an answer to this question? I’ll wait for a while to see if anyone has any responses, but if there aren’t any responses I’d be happy to provide the answer.

    Sincerely,

    Rene’ Holaday

  • bmiller

    Rene: Don’t forget the bicycle lanes! Agenda 21 is all about the bicycle lanes. And sidewalks! What kind of American uses sidewalks? I think Price Charles likes bicycles! And he may even force us to wear those goofy helmets! And once they take our SUVs and our Rascals away from us, we will be FORCED to walk more. And we will not be able to buy 36 pack rolls of toilet paper at Wal Mart!

    Among other things, I do some transportation planning for a local government. You think these quotes are made up? Nope. (*except for the Price Charles part. Our local Agenda 21 people are not into the monarchial conspiracy side of things.)

  • slc1

    Re reneholaday

    Well, at least Mr. Holladay hasn’t invoked the Bilderbergers, the Illuminati, the Trilateral Commission, the Masons, the Zionists, or the Council on Foreign Relations. He’s a crackpot but a narrowly based crackpot. On the other hand, he certainly provides some needed levity to this blog.

    By the way, for the information of Mr. Holladay, the economic system in China bares little relationship to Communism, as Marx would have defined it. It’s actually a combination of private and state capitalism, just as the economic sylstem in the former Soviet Union was state capitalism, not communism (the Trotskyites are right about that, if about little else).

  • dcsohl

    Ooh, I know the answer to this one! No, it absolutely, completely and utterly does not threaten property rights! It is completely non-binding and nobody needs to do anything about it!

    In your little screed above, in fact, you admitted that Seattle adopted facets of Agenda 21 in 2009. Have property rights in that fine city been abolished?

    It’s not a black box, fer crying out loud. You can actually *read* it. Instead of linking to articles about it, and Youtube videos, and BS made up quotes by Tony Blair, why don’t you cite chapter and verse? The entire agenda is up on the website, so why don’t you show us where it threatens property rights?

    I’ll help you out — here is the Agenda 21 Table of Contents. Have at it.

  • dcsohl

    Oh, and I will also accept, as evidence, any municipal laws from any of those 500 cities of yours that violate property rights as long as those laws are directly derived from Agenda 21.

    So, yeah, instead of weaving BS conspiracy theories let’s see some proof. Excuse me if I don’t hold my breath.

  • busterggi
  • malefue

    @dcsohl: You don’t get it, do you? All those texts with “content” and “paragraphs” are boring. He said so himself.

    No need to educate oneself when it’s booooring.

  • Tony–Queer Duck Overlord of The Bronze–

    reneholaday:

    If you need help with definitions of sustainable development, I’ve often found Google can be your friend:

    Sustainable Development (1)

    Sustainable Development (2)

    Sustainable Development (3)

    I hope this helps with your uncertainty.

    I’m also curious what evidence you have that Agenda 21 threatens property rights. I do not want to purchase your book to learn this information, so if you have a link available that I may check your claim for myself, I would be much appreciative. An original source would be perfect.

  • Tony–Queer Duck Overlord of The Bronze–

    Oh, and I forgot to add, what is your beef with sustainable development?

  • reneholaday

    Hello!

    Ok…. answer to the question:

    Does Agenda 21 threaten private proerty rights?

    Answer: Yes. Overwhelmingly so.

    In fact, in the UN’s Global Biodiveristy Assessment Report, there are many items they refer to as “Unsustainable”. Below is a partial list of those things considered “unsustainable”, followed by the page number with which they can be found. It is a 1,140 page document, and the printed version varies slightly from the online version, as far as page numbers goes, so just depending on how you prefer to look into this document….. It is available for $44.95 at:

    http://www.unep.org/OurPlanet/imgversn/75/pellew.html

    or you can purchase it in actual printout form by sending a money order to:

    SMI Limited

    P.O. Box 119

    Stevenage, Hertfordshire

    SG1 4TP England

    Unsustainable List:

    Private Property Rights pages 767, 782

    Population Growth, human population density p 771

    Ski runs p. 337

    Grazing of livestock :cows, sheep, goats, horses p. 350

    Disturbance of the soil surface p. 351

    Large hoofed animals, compaction of the soil, reducing filtration p. 350

    Fencing of pastures or paddocks p. 351

    Agriculture p. 728

    Floor and wall tiles p. 730

    Aquaculture p. 733

    Modern Farm production systems p. 728

    Chemical fertilizers p. 728

    Herbicides p. 728

    Building materials p. 728

    Industrial activivties p. 730

    Paved and tarred roads, highways, and rails pages 730, 351

    Railroads p.730

    Technology improvements p. 733

    Farmlands, pastures, rangelands p. 733

    Fish ponds p. 733

    Plantations p. 733

    Modern hunting p. 738

    Harvesting of timber p. 738

    Logging activities p. 749

    Fossil fuels used for driving various kinds of machines p. 728

    Dams, reservoirs, straightening rivers p. 755

    Powerline construction p. 757

    Economic systems that fail to set a proper value on the

    environment p. 763

    Inappropriate social structures p. 763

    Modern attitudes toward nature- Judaeo-Christian-Islamic

    religions pages 766, 838

    Consumerism p. 773

    Fragmentation of habitat- cemeteries, derelict lands, rubbish tips, etc. p 774

    Sewers, drain systems, pipelines p. 774

    Land use that serves human needs p. 783

    Fisheries p. 969

    Golf courses p. 970

    Fragmentation-agricultural development, forestry urbanization(impervious surfaces) p. 990

    So this is just a partial list of things they consider “unsustainable”. This list does not include individual rights, but it does list private property rights. I would have to say that one of the things that is also unsustainable to the UN is Capitalism. According to Dave Foreman of “Earth First”:

    “We must make this place an insecure and inhospitable place for Capitalists and their projects- we must reclim the roads and plowed lands, halt dam construction, tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers, and return to wilderness millions of tens of millions of acres of presently settled land.”

    I know for a fact that Agenda 21 is a detriment to private property rights as we have already had to defend our land from being taken in something called “Regulatory Taking”. In Regulatory Taking, the agencies like the Dept. of Ecology and the EPA announce on their websites that they are in full support of the UN’s Agenda 21, and all the regulations they are placing on land owners, my self included, come directly out of the Global Biodiversity Assessment Report.

    We are not the only ones. This is now pervasive all throughout the state of WA, but not only in WA either. People are having the same problems we have all over the USA, hence Alabama’s recently passed Bill to try to hold the agencies to Due Process. I tried to hold the agencies to Due Process, as guaranteed by the US Constitution and the State Constitution, but they just laughed. They use extortion type tactics to take your land by telling you that if you don’t do what they tell you to do, they will fine you $10,000 PER DAY that you don’t comply. So don’t try and tell anybody that this is as harmless as petting kittens. They wanted to not only steal our land but completely obliterate us financially as well in a way that people simply cannot recover from. They simply try to seek and destroy. I know one guy personally, who fought them for 10 years and in the end he still lost his property rights and also had to pay $75,000 in fines. It completely ruined the man and his whole business and his whole family. He’s only one example- I know of many.

    If you were having your own property attacked by the agencies and about to have it stolen from you, are you telling me you’d just turn it over to the agencies for free, even though you were the rightful owner who bought it and pays taxes on it? Or maybe you’re too far removed from that sort of thing because you live in an apartment and cannot imagine owning land any time in the near future. ?

    There were many things in this list that I didn’t understand as to why on earth they would be considered “unsustainable” to the UN, but as the years have passed, I have seen through example how they are in fact on the chopping block as we speak. Maybe you could ride your bikes out to the rural areas sometime and find out for yourself? It’s only 45 miles from the nearest city, so expect one long day of peddaling in your bike lane.

    You know, all this info is in my book. If you’re just normal Americans, you will want to know this info. However, if you’re actually facilitators to this Agenda 21, which I suspect you are, then carry on as you have been throughout this post, where all I can see is a group of exceedingly angry, sadly uninformed people who want to do nothing but try to tear somebody down for no real reason.

    By the way, I am MRS. Rene’ Holaday. If you want more exact quotes with page numbers, reference websites, etc, get the book-it’s all there- that’s why I wrote it. And yes, there are also examples and definitions of Communism and Fascism as well. There’s a LOT of info in that book- too much to list.

    I have been decent and willing to try to explain a few things here, and maybe if you too could show a little decency and actually ask some questions like normal people do, I’d be happy to carry on, and I am more than willing to answer your questions. Throughout this posting you have all continually pointed fingers at others claiming they’re irrational and mindless, yet I have not seen anything decent from any of you, making me think that you might be the example of the type of people you are trying so hard to discredit.

    I would guess I have no more time for this posting. I only had a couple hours available anyway, which is not a common thing, so best of luck, and may you seek to find real answers in the future.

    Sincerely,

    Rene’ Holaday

    Author of “The Perils of Sustainable Development”

    by the way, I believe the comment by Tony Blair came crom the Pullitzer prize winning economist in his book he wrote called “The Commanding Heights: The Battle Between Government and the Marketplace That Is Remaking the Modern World” by Daniel Yergin and Joseph Stanislaw. I’ve been researching this info so long now that I would actually have to go back and check my notes from many years ago. I believe that is where I got that quote. It’s correct too. I just remeber thinking wow- that’s the best summation I’ve heard so far! If push comes to shove I can verify it and post it, I would just need a while to go through about 6 years worth of notes and files. I say nothing that I cannot back up, as you’ll see in my book- it’s extremely well documented throughout since a person just can’t make this stuff up you know.

  • http://www.dexterityunlimited.com/ Dan J

    Please, René… Please tell me that you aren’t actually this stupid.

    Actually there is something like 347 definitions that have been delivered for Sustainable Development. Mine is the only one that is accurate, because none of those 347 say anything about how it is a form of governance.

    I’d recommend that some of the other readers here check out René on YouTube speaking at the “Freedom on Fire” event in Tacoma, Washington. Wow. #facepalm

  • Uncle Glenny

    Sounds like just a paranoid take on the old “it’s my property, I can kill endangered species and poison the water table if I want” theme.

  • dcsohl

    Ok, so some other report that was issued in 1995 and isn’t even online (but conveniently can be obtained by sending money to some address in England) says some activities can be harmful to the environment… ergo, a list of suggestions for local governments to implement to improve sustainability is, thus, a massive power grab, a surrender of our freedoms to the United Nations, and the destruction of our property rights.

    Uh, no, sorry, still not buying it. Especially since nothing you’ve posted actually ties this to Agenda 21.

    For example, your quote starting “We must make this place an insecure and inhospitable place for Capitalists and their projects…” by Dave Foreman (whoever that is–you say that name like it’s supposed to mean something, when we all know you can find kooks who’ll say anything) seems to be a favorite amongst you Tea Partiers; it’s all over your sites but I see an original exactly nowhere. Although some of those sites tie the quote to something called the “Wild Land Project” which to me sounds like an effort to get a nature preserve set aside. There’s certainly nothing about the quote that says otherwise.

    I know for a fact that Agenda 21 is a detriment to private property rights as we have already had to defend our land from being taken in something called “Regulatory Taking”.

    Yeah, no. Regulatory exists, and sometimes it can suck, but it’s still got nothing to do with Agenda 21. You’re starting to get a little warmer though, but since you started at absolute zero that’s not saying much.

    I have been decent and willing to try to explain a few things here, and maybe if you too could show a little decency and actually ask some questions like normal people do, I’d be happy to carry on, and I am more than willing to answer your questions.

    Oh, how very generous of you. Such modesty! But you seem to have it backwards–you’re the one in need of our help. We have no questions for you. You clearly can’t tell the difference between Agenda 21 and Century 21. And you come in here with that attitude like you know so much more than us when you actually don’t know squat? Is it a wonder that the response has not been charitable?

    “by the way, I believe the comment by Tony Blair came crom [blah blah blah]” — No. Google Books says no, and I trust them more than I trust you.

    “By the way, I am MRS. Rene’ Holaday” — Oh, well, traditionally René is a man’s name, so I hope you can see why people here have been assuming you’re a man. The woman’s name is Renée. I’ve met René(e)s of both genders with the wrong name in the past, though, so it’s not that big a deal.

  • spamamander, internet amphibian

    Oh, FFS, please leave the fine state of Washington, Mrs. Holaday. Most of us here, with the exception of some of the ranchers, actually like the idea of taking care of the limited and wondrous natural resources of our state.

    Sincerely,

    Ms. Spamamander

  • http://www.pandasthumb.org Area Man

    by the way, I believe the comment by Tony Blair came crom the Pullitzer prize winning economist in his book he wrote called “The Commanding Heights: The Battle Between Government and the Marketplace That Is Remaking the Modern World” by Daniel Yergin and Joseph Stanislaw.

    A completely different book than the last one…

    I did a search with Amazon’s “look inside” feature and it turns out that the quote isn’t in there at all. The phrase “sustainable development” does not even appear in that book. There are 12 mentions of Blair, none of which have anything to do with the quote you attribute to him.

    At any rate, I asked for an original source. This is the only way to know that he actually said it. It’s obvious by now that you don’t have one. At best, this is just hearsay you picked up somewhere. More likely, you fabricated it either out of whole cloth or you patched it together from bits of stuff said by other people.

    I’ve been researching this info so long now that I would actually have to go back and check my notes from many years ago. I believe that is where I got that quote. It’s correct too.

    Liar.

  • dcsohl

    Oh, no, I do believe she’s been researching this for many years. It’s clear she’s done everything but actually read the Agenda. I’m sure it’s just slipped her mind, but she’ll get to it eventually.

  • Tony–Queer Duck Overlord of The Bronze–

    Mrs. Rene Holaday:

    By the way, I am MRS. Rene’ Holaday. If you want more exact quotes with page numbers, reference websites, etc, get the book-it’s all there- that’s why I wrote it.

    I don’t think *anyone* here wants your book. You haven’t even provided evidence for the crap you’re spewing. You’ve listed quotes without sources. You’ve given a bunch of information but provided no citation (once my post @40 is out of moderation, you’ll see what I mean about citing your sources).

    You came to the wrong place if you’re trying to make a buck off a bunch of people who are too inexperienced at researching the BS you’re peddling. Go try a Tea Party website. Go knock on Michele Bachmann or Rick Santorum’s door.

  • Tony–Queer Duck Overlord of The Bronze–

    I say nothing that I cannot back up, as you’ll see in my book- it’s extremely well documented throughout since a person just can’t make this stuff up you know.

    The irony is strong in this one.

    You do realize you haven’t backed up *anything* you’ve said you. It should be easy. Go find the original sources for your information, copy/paste the link to that page and bring it here for us all to see.

  • some bastard on the net

    Dammit, my job made me miss out on a spam-and-dash troll!

  • Tony–Queer Duck Overlord of The Bronze–

    @51:

    I get the feeling she’ll be back. She seemed quite insistent that people buy her book.

  • dingojack

    For those interested in the details of this report.

    (As you can see several libraries in Australia have copies of this report, for free. Check your local state or federal libraries).

    Dingo

  • dingojack

    And at the Library of Congress.

    Dingo

  • blf

    I loved the spurious precision of the 347 definitions. Made even funnier by the None of them I agree withunderstand so they must be wrong, therefore mine is correct. It must be!

  • http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    reneholaday “So don’t try and tell anybody that this is as harmless as petting kittens.”

    Petting kittens releases dander, a major contributor in Global Sneezing. As such, Agenda 21 clearly bans both kittens and the petting of same, and the Supreme Court decision, Nut v Contrail, concluded that it, “it” being Agenda 21, overruled both American law and the Constitution on such matters (vis a vis, kittens, and, following the case Kooks v Boogityman, kittens comma petting of).

    Interestingly there’s an exception if the “kätzchen” is metric. Coincidence? (Dun dun, dun!)

  • blf

    Modusoperandi, you used big words like “v”. Our troll won’t understand.

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    The Stepfordianly cheery, “Hello!”, that precedes each of MRS. Hole-in-the-head’s increasingly unhinged screeds puts me in mind of those breathless offers that wind up in my spam e-mail folder. Y’know the ones, “Russian Brides”, “Cut-rate Viagra”, “Guaranteed, Effortless, Dietless, Weight Loss” and the “We haz ur moniez, send us checkz!”.

    Well, I have an equally cheery rejoinder, MRS. Whoolyinsane.

    FUCK OFF!

  • dingojack

    Modus – what does Agenda 21 say about ‘kittens — Heavy petting of’?

    Dingo

    —–

    PS: also I find it somewhat amusing that Troll (Mrs) can’t tell apart a ‘list of proscription’ and an ‘index’.

  • DaveL

    I’m sure that Mr. Holaday would regard a law against pumping concentrated dioxins directly into the aquifer your neighbor’s well taps into as not only an infringement of private property rights, but the first step towards totalitarianism.

  • lofgren

    Below is a partial list of those things considered “unsustainable”…

    Agriculture p. 728

    HOLY CRAP. You heard it here first, folks. The UN wants to ban ALL AGRICULTURE.

    But wait, it gets worse:

    Land use that serves human needs p. 783

    Yep, that’s right. Agenda 21 seeks to ban all use of land by humans. And if you don’t see how an attempt to kill every human on the planet is a threat to our property rights, well I’m afraid there is just no getting through to you.

    if you’re actually facilitators to this Agenda 21, which I suspect you are…

    “I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but I’m pretty sure that random commenters on the internet who refuse to accept my outlandish and unsubstantiated claims of a secret conspiracy as irrefutable fact without question are actually secret agents of the Agenda 21 conspiracy. But I’m totally not a conspiracy theorist. That would be crazy.”

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    “Sustainable development”: Nounish: 1.) That process which MRS. Hole-In-The-Head’s frontal lobe is incapable of doing.

  • reneholaday

    http://www.sovereignty.net/p/gov/timeline.html

    Timeline to Global Governance:

    1891 The Society of the Elect and the Association of Helpers – (also known as the “Secret Society,”), was created by Cecil Rhodes, Alfred Milner, William T. Stead, Reginald Baliol Brett, and Lord Esher, in London. Rhodes died in 1902, leaving the society, and his fortune, under the control of Milner, who established the Rhodes Scholar program. Good background here.

    1910 The Round Table – a periodical, first published by Milner’s “Secret Society” for Britain’s intellectual community. The writers, and those associated with the publication became known as the Round Table Group, and later, the Chatham House crowd. Comprehensive background.

    1912 Edward Mandell House – published Philip Dru: Administrator,a novel describing how the world could best be governed by a benevolent administrator. House traveled in Europe in 1909, and met Woodrow Wilson November 25, 1911. Chronology: Met Sir Edward Grey (member of Milner’s group) in 1913.

    1913 Woodrow Wilson, U.S. President – Edward Mandell House served as Wilson’s campaign manager, and then as chief advisor. Franklin D. Roosevelt appointed Assistant Secretary of the Navy.

    Federal Reserve Act (M) enacted – creating the first “central bank” in America. Paul Warberg, whose family controlled the Reichsbank in Germany, was the architect of the system.

    1914 World War I Begins – Wilson campaigned against U.S. entry into the war, then entered the war in 1917, one year before it ended.

    1918 Wilson’s 14 Points – presented to a joint session of Congress on January 8. The document was developed by Colonel Mandell House and advisors known as the “Inquiry.”

    The League of Nations – first proposed in The Round Table, in December, in an article entitled The League of Nations: A Practical Suggestion, written by Edward Mandell House and Lionel Curtis, a member of the original Rhodes/Milner “Secret Soceity.”

    1919 Paris Peace Conference – House is Wilson’s chief deputy at the conference where he expanded his association with leaders of the Milner group.

    Genesis of the CFR and RIIA – At a meeting on May 30, at the Majestic Hotel in Paris, Edward M. House, Lionel Curtis, Lord Eustace Percy, Harold Temperley, Herbert Hoover, Christian Herter, James T. Shotwell (Columbia), Charles Seymore (Yale), Archibald C. Coolidge (Harvard), were among 50 individuals who decided to create the Council on Foreign Relations in the U.S., and the Royal Institute of International Affairs in London.

    The Treaty of Versailles – signed June 28, ended the war and incorporated The Covenant of the League of Nations as the first 30 Articles – very much as had been proposed by House and Curtis.

    1920 League of Nations rejected by U.S. Senate – despite herculean efforts on both sides of the Atlantic.

    Royal Institute of International Affairs – organized by the Milner group, housed at the Chatham House in London.

    1921 Council on Foreign Relations – organized as U.S. counterpart to Royal Institute of International Affairs. John W. Davis, attorney to J.P. Morgan, was first president. Paul Warberg and J.D. Rockefeller were among initial funders. Began publishing Foreign Affairs in 1922. Described by Senator Barry Goldwater in 1979.

    1925 Mein Kampf – published by Adolf Hitler.

    1929 Stock Market Crash – Sets the stage for world wide depression, international response, and another war.

    1930 Bank of International Settlements (M) – created in Basel, Switzerland. J.P. Morgan & Company, and others involved with the creation of the Federal Reserve, were among the founders.

    1932 Franklin D. Roosevelt – begins his presidency amid the great depression. “The New Deal” was formulated by leftist, Henry A. Wallace, Secretary of Agriculture, and Secretary of State, Cordell Hulll, who, as a Senator, supported Wilson’s League of Nations. Hull began drafting a United Nations Charter two weeks after Pearl Harbor.

    1933 The Wilderness Society – founded by Bob Marshall, a socialist.

    1936 National Wildlife Federation – founded.

    1938 World marches toward war – A chronology of events leading to World War II, the event which gave rise to the United Nations.

    1941 FDR delivers “Four Freedoms” speech – (January 6), and the Atlantic Conference (August 14), embody the idea of disarming sovereign nations under international authority.

    Declaration of War on Japan (December 8); Declaration of War on Germany (December 11).

    1942 Declaration by “United Nations” – first official use of the name “United Nations,” suggested by Roosevelt. Chronnology of related events.

    1943 Moscow Conference – Articles 5 – 7 refer to “United Nations” and post-war permanent organization.

    United Nations Association – created by Eleanor Roosevelt.

    1944 Bretton Woods Agreements – created the World Bank (M), and the International Monetary Fund (M). Henry Morganthau delivered the closing address. (Background and conference details.)

    Dumbarton Oaks Conversations – produce the draft recommendations for a United Nations organization. The U.S. Team, led by Edward Stettinius, included Alger Hiss, Ralph Bunche, Leo Pasvolsky, and Grayson Kirk. Overview of the meeting.

    1945 Yalta Conference – (February) reached agreement on U.N. draft recommendations and set the date for U.N. conference. Germany surrenders (May 7).

    U.N. Charter – signed June 26, in San Francisco. Ratified by Senate (89-2) July 28.

    International Court of Justice – established in The Hague.

    August 6, & 9, atomic bombs dropped on Japan. Japan surrenders (August 14).

    UNESCO – created in London, November 16.

    1946 U.S. joins UNESCO – Julian Huxley, president of the Eugenics Society, and author of “The New Divinity”, first Director. Socialist Joseph Needham, appointed Director of Natural Science.

    World Health Organization created.

    1947 World Federalist Association – founded in Asheville, North Carolina

    World Federalist Movement – founded in Switzerland.

    1948 IUCN Created – by Julian Huxley, in Geneva. Headquarters in Gland, Switzerland The U.S. Government, and several agencies are members.

    Universal Declaration of Human Rights – adopted by U.N. General Assembly

    Environmental Education – concept introduced to the U.N. by the IUCN.

    1949 UNESCO Publication 356 (M) – “Toward World Understanding.”

    1951 The Nature Conservancy – organized.

    1959 United Nations Development Program – evolved to maturity.

    1960 Temple of Understanding – organized in New York. Dr. Robert Muller on Advisory Board.

    1961 Freedom From War (M) – State Department Publication 7277, setting forth U.S. disarmament policy in favor of U.N. peacekeeping.

    World Wildlife Fund – organized by Julian Huxley and IUCN.

    1964 Wilderness Act of 1964 – and how it came to be.

    UNCTAD – United Nations Conference on Trade and Development established.

    1968 ECOSOC Resolution 1296 – directed by Dr. Robert Muller, establishes “Consultative Status” for NGOs (non-government organizations). Lucis Trust among first NGOs accredited.

    Club of Rome – organized, and published Limits to Growth.

    1970 First Earth Day – founder, Gaylord Nelson. Another view of Earth Day.

    World Conference on Religion and Peace – opened headquartrs at the U.N. Center. Held conference in Kyoto, Japan, was accredited by ECOSOC in 1973.

    Environmental Protection Agency – created.

    1971 RAMSAR Treaty on Wetlands – signed in Ramsar, Iran. IUCN driving force behind RAMSAR.

    1972 Clean WaterAct – passed by Congress. Wetland definitionexpanded by lawsuit brought by National WildlifeFederation, resulting in “Tulloch”decision in 1993. Tulloch overturned in1997.

    WorldHeritage Convention – adopted by UNESCO. TechnicalReview.

    EarthSummit I – First U.N. Conference on Environment.Maurice StrongConference leader.

    James ParksMorton became dean of the Cathedral of St. John theDivine in New York City.

    1973 CITES Signed – (March 3 – Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species). IUCN and WWF driving force behind CITES. Endangered Species Act – became U.S. law.

    U.N. Environment Program – launched with Maurice Strong first Executive Director.

    Trilateral Commission – formed, most participants also members of Council on Foreign Relations.

    UNEP’s Regional Seas Program – expands environmental outreach. Survey of U.S. participation.

    1975 Belgrade Charter – Global Framework for Environmental Education. Promoted by NAAEE

    1976 HABITAT I – adopts U.N. policy on land. William K. Reilly and Carla Hills signed for U.S.

    Federal Land Policy Management Act – adopted.

    International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights – becomes international law.

    UNIFEM – created to promote womens’ rights.

    1978 Global Taxation – first proposed by James Tobin. Current status.

    1979 U.S. MAB (M) – (Man and the Biosphere Program) launched by agency agreement with UNESCO.

    First World Climate Conference – held in Geneva, Switzerland.

    World Core Curriculum – introduced by Dr. Robert Muller, through the Robert Muller Schools.

    CEDAW – (Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women) adopted by the U.N. General Assembly.

    1980 World Conservation Strategy – published jointly by UNEP, IUCN, and WWF.

    MacBride Commission – (International Commission for the Study of Communications Problems. Report: Many Voices, One World. Chaired by Sean MacBride. Early efforts to control communications.

    Brandt Commission – (Independent Commission on International Development) chaired by Willy Brandt. Report: North-South: A Program for Survival linked economic equity to development and was beginning of “sustainable development” concept.

    1982 Palme Commission – (Independent Commission on Disarmament and Security Issues). Report: Common Security: A Blueprint For Survival linked security to development. Chaired by Olof Palme.

    World Resources Institute – organized with help from Russell E. Train. Gustave Speth first director.

    World Charter for Nature – precursor to the Earth Charter.

    U.N. Convention on the Law of the seas – which created the International Seabed Authority.

    1985 U.N. Convention on Ozone Depleting Substances – adopted in Vienna, Austria.

    1987 Montreal Protocol – converts voluntary Ozone Treaty into international law.

    Brundtland Commission – (World Commission on Environment and Development). Report: Our Common Future, which defined “sustainable development”. Chaired by Gro Harlem Brundtland. Members included Shridath Ramphal and Maurice Strong (M).

    Institute for Global Communications – created by the Tides Fouundtion to facilitate NGO communications.

    1988 Global Forum on Human Survival – held in Oxford, England. Co-sponsored by the Temple of Understanding and the U.N. Committee on Parliamentarians and Population, chaired by James Parks Morton. James Lovelock was the featured speaker. Complete background here (M).

    Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change – created by WMO and UNEP.

    1989 Berlin Wall falls – (November 9), USSR begins to disintegrate.

    Convention on Rights of the Child – adopted by the U.N.

    Climate Action Network – created in Germany to promote climate treaty.

    1990 Global Forum on Human Survival – held in Moscow, hosted by Mikhail Gorbachev, and Javier Perez de Cuellar, chaired by James Parks Morton.

    World Summit for Children – held in New York; adopted Plan of Action.

    Women’s Environment and Development Organization (WEDO) – created by Bella Abzug.

    International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives (ICLEI) – created at the invitation of the U.N.,to advance Agenda 21 at the local level.

    1991 Caring for the Earth – published jointly by UNEP, IUCN, and WWF.

    Stockholm Initiative on Global Security and Governance – origin of Commission on Global Goverance.

    1992 Commission on Global Governance – established. Willy Brandt, with the blessings of Boutros Boutros-Ghali, appointed Ingvar Carlsson and Shridath Ramphal (IUCN president) as co-chairs.

    Global Biodiversity Strategy – published jointly by UNEP, IUCN, WWF, and WRI.

    U.N. Conference on Environment and Development (UNCED) – Rio de Janeiro. Chaired by Maurice Strong. Produced: Agenda 21; Convention on Biological Diversity; Framework Convention on Climate Change; Statement of Forest Principles; and the Rio Declaration.

    U.N. Commission on Sustainable Development – created to advance Agenda 21.

    Earth Council – created in Costa Rica by Maurice Strong to coordinate global implementation of Agenda 21 through “National Councils” on Sustainable Development.

    National Religious Partnership for the Environment – outgrowth of Temple of Understanding’s “Joint Appeal.”

    The Wildlands Project – published by Dave Foreman, co-founder of Earth First!. Project seeks to convert half of America to wilderness.

    1993 President’s Council on Sustainable Development – created by Executive Order No. 12852 to implement Agenda 21 in America, co-chaired by WRI president, Jonathan Lash.

    First Meridian Conference on Global Governance – held in Bolinas, California.

    World Conference on Human Rights – in Vienna.

    Green Cross – founded by Mikhail Gorbachev.

    BIONET – created to promote Convention on Biological Diversity.

    1994 World Trade Organization – formed at Uruguay round of GATT negotiations.

    U.N. Conference on Population and Development – in Cairo

    1995 World Summit on Social Development – in Copenhagen.

    Commission on Sustainable Development – met in New York.

    Fourth World Women’s Congress – in Beijing. Documents.

    State of the World Forum – San Francisco, hosted by Mikhail Gorbachev and Maruice Strong.

    Our Global Neighborhood – final report released by the Commission on Global Governance.

    Analysis – of Commission report.

    Global Biodiversity Assessment – released by UNEP. Coordinated by Robert Watson.

    1996 U.N. Conference on Human Settlements (HABITAT II) – Istanbul. Community Sustainability (M), U.S. HUD’s report to the conference. Instanbul Declaration on Human Settlements.

    Campaign for U.N. Reform – organized to lobby for global governance.

    1997 Al Gore’s report – to the U.N. at Rio +5. A broader view of Agenda 21 implementation.

    Kyoto Protocol – Adopted in Kyoto, Japan. Converts voluntary climate change treaty to binding international law. On-site reports.

    International Conference on Environment and Society – sponsored by UNESCO in Thessaloniki. Survey of environmental education movement.

    1998 International Criminal Court – created in Rome. On-site reports from Rome.

    International Action Network on Small Arms (IANSA) – created to lobby for U.N. gun control.

    U.N. Climate Change Conference – in Buenos Aires.

    1999 Charter for Global Democracy – consolidates recommendations of Commission on Global Governance into 12 principles.

    World NGO Conference – held in Canada to promote plan for “The Peoples Assembly.”

    U.N. Climate Change Conference – in Bonn.

    2000 Earth Charter – final draft.

    NGO Millennium Forum – New York, precursor to “The People’s Assembly.”

    UNDPI/NGO Forum – August 28 – 30, New York (to strengthen “Civil Society” in UN operations)

    Millennium Peace Summit of Religious and Spiritual Leaders – August 28 – 31, New York

    State of the World Forum – September 4 – 10, New York

    Millennium Assembly – September 5 – 8, New York

    Millennium Summit – September 6 -8, New York

    U.N. Desertification Treaty ratified by U.S. Senate by voice vote.

    Bush-Gore election decided by U.S. Supreme Court. Chronology of this historic event. Map of Counties carried by Bush (red) and Gore (blue).

    Kyoto Negotiations collapse – November 13-25, The Hague, Netherlands.

    2001 Bush rejects Kyoto Protocol (March). NGO reaction. European reaction.

    U.S. booted off U.N. Commission on Human Rights. (May) European view.

    U.S. booted off U.N.’s Narcotic Control Board. (May) Reaction. More reaction.

    Kyoto Protocol limps forwared without the U.S. (July)

    U.N. Conference on Racism, Durban, South Africa, August 31 – September 7. U.S. walks out of Durban Conference.

    Word Trade Center, Pentagon attacked by terrorists – September 11.

    Osoma bin Laden video tape transcript, December 13, admission of responsibility.

  • reneholaday

    Agenda 21 says its job is basically to protect the environment from humanity.

    Quote below by German Economist and International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) co-chair of Work Group III, Dr. Ottmar Endenhofer,

    “…we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy…..One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has

    almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore…”

    -Dr. Ottmar Endenhofer, in an interview by Bernard Potter of the “Neue Zurcher Zeitung” on November 14, 2010

    If you would like to read more of this interview, it can be found at this link:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2629714/posts

  • busterggi

    Really with such a detailed list how could you leave out the Boy Sprouts and the Harmonica Virgins?

  • reneholaday

    There were two very interesting quotes that address more of the truth about the actual plans behind an alleged global warming scenario that can be found on this link, and are stated below:

    http://climateresearchnews.com/2010/11/ipcc-official-%e2%80%9cclimate-policy-is- redistributing-the-worlds-wealth%e2%80%9d/

    “A climate change response must have at its heart a redistribution of wealth and resources.” — Emma Brindal, Friends of the Earth, 2007

    “Kyoto is essentially a socialist scheme to suck money out of wealth-producing nations.”–Stephen Harper, Canadian Prime Minister, 2002

  • dingojack

    Timeline of random events with no particular bearing on anything at all:

    4.527 billion years ago: a Mars-sized planetesimal called ‘Thetis’ collides with the Proto-Earth creating several moons and slashing-out the first atmosphere. Earth is tilted by 23½ degrees, rotation speeds up to a little under 6 hours.

    630 million years ago: The Peninsula Granite intrusion into the Malmesbury Group, Cape Peninsula and False Bay, Wales.

    201 ±2 million years ago: A bolide 23-50Km wide hits Earth forming the Rochechouart crater in France.

    75 Million Years ago: Huabeisaurus roams the island fragment of Gondwanaland that will become Northern China.

    6.5 Million years ago: Inaccessible Island erupts for the last time.

    14,500 years ago: Lake Bonneville overflows into the Black Sea.

    @@

    Dingo

  • lofgren

    SHIT GUYS SOMEBODY SAID SOMETHING ONCE.

  • reneholaday

    Saul Alinsky, one of the founding fathers of socialism in American, states in his book, “Rules for Radicals”, that;

    “ridicule is one of the socialists’ most powerful weapons.”

    Ridicule is all that any of you have here. And no, actually I don’t want any of you to buy my book. I thought there were real people here, but obviously the only people here are Agenda 21 facilitators. Real people are decent and behave in a decent way. All that pours from the posters in response to my posts is filth. But I want this this to be seen as an example of the eco-extremists the real world has to deal with. This is the kind of mindless filth that they are up against.

    And again, as stated before, I am not a member of the Tea Party, eventhough I don’t have anything against them.

  • dingojack

    lofgren – no, Free Republic claimed someone said something once.

    Dingo

  • imrryr

    “Kyoto is essentially a socialist scheme to suck money out of wealth-producing nations.”–Stephen Harper, Canadian Prime Minister, 2002

    You really seem to love quotes and arguments from authority in general. Let me try:

    “Mars is essentially in the same orbit.… Mars is somewhat the same distance from the Sun, which is very important. We have seen pictures where there are canals, we believe, and water. If there is water, that means there is oxygen. If oxygen, that means we can breathe.” – Vice President Dan Quayle – August 11th, 1989.

    See, I found a quote! That makes it true! And now you know all you need to know about Mars. 😀

  • dcsohl

    Wow. A link to the Freepers. That’s convincing.

    Ok, let’s look at the actual quote. The freeper link in turn points to what looks to be a climate change denialist think-tank, and the page there is not there anymore… but let’s take a look at the actual quote.

    First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.

    When he says “we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy”, he’s not saying that we should do that. He’s saying that that already happens. How could it not? When we pollute the air, do you think that pollution disappears? When we make the ocean levels rise, will third-world nations magically be exempt? Does the ozone hole only affect those who created it?

    Obviously not. When we consume resources in non-sustainable ways, we impact people beyond our borders and force them to deal with and pay for the consequences of our actions. This is wealth redistribution–we get richer and poor nations paying the price of our actions get poorer.

    Back to René: “Agenda 21 says its job is basically to protect the environment from humanity.” I really don’t have a problem with this. Doing this doesn’t mean the end of humanity, or even necessarily huge changes in how we do things. More wind and solar plants, fewer coal plants. Electric vehicles. Bike lanes. Compact neighborhoods where everything you need day-to-day is in walking distance (local grocery store, local hardware store, schools, etc).

    René, I have a book for you to read: The Omnivore’s Dilemma. You can buy it from that link for $8 — far cheaper than anything you’ve tried to sell us. Learn a thing or two about where your food comes from and then tell me that that sounds like a good idea to you.

  • reneholaday

    Since you guys claim to not know who Dave Foreman is, let me state his quote again with explanantion for who he is:

    According to Dave Foreman, (who published the Wildlands Project and was the co-founder of “Earth First”);

    “We must make this place an insecure and inhospitable place for Capitalists and their projects- we must reclaim the roads and plowed lands, halt dam construction, tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers and return to wilderness millions of tens of millions of acres of presently settled land.”

    Agenda 21 is made up of compnents that apply to States, counties, and cities. At the State level is Growth Management. At the county level is the Comprehensive Plan. At the city level is Smart Growth, Sustainable Development Action Plan, and many other action plans that fall in line with those programs. Critical Areas Ordinances fall into every level and act as a coordinating tool for all the other UN programs, as is one of the requirements for cities to obtain Sustainable Development grants.

    The Wildlands Project, is the expansive nationwide fabien socialist plan to relocate upt ot 50% of the nation’s population into “Sustainable Cities so that the wildlands cen be “re-wilded”.

  • reneholaday

    According to the definition the UN gives for Sustainable Development, written by the World Commission on Environment and Development:

    “Development that meets the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs….two concepts: 1.) Needs as it pertains to the world’s poor to which overriding priority should be given, 2.) the idea of limitations imposed by…. technology…..on the environment’s ability to meet present and future needs….At a minimum, Sustainable Development must not endanger the natural systems that support life on Earth: atmosphere, water, soils, living beings.”

    We’ve all heard this definition, but it is not the true definition as it deceptively fails to describe anything about the true intention of Sustainable Development which plans to move 50% of the US population into Sustainable cities and out of the rural areas.

  • dingojack

    OBTW:

    “Stephen Harper not only opposes Kyoto, but he refutes the science. He’s back in the dinosaur era. Harper is just totally out of it.” – David Suzuki on Canadian Alliance leader Stephen Harper, 2003.

    See – not only can I find resources, compile meaningless lists of random events, but I can also find quotes.

    Dingo

  • slc1

    Re reneholaday @ #68

    Once again, a right wing nutcase cites Saul Alinsky. Actually, Alinsky’s most avid followers are not the left wingers. They are the folks like Karl Rove and the late and unlamented Lee Atwater who follow Alinsky’s advice to rub raw the sores of discontent as the way to electoral victory.

  • dcsohl

    René, real people also don’t invade communities they are unfamiliar with and insist that they know everything. If I went onto one of your anti-Agenda 21 sites and tried explaining the truth and selling books about it and everything, I suspect I’d get far worse treatment than ridicule. I suspect I’d be outright banned from the site in very short order.

    And there honestly has been no filth in response to any of your posts. Ridicule, yes, but that’s just because of your sheer arrogance. Filth looks much different. Trust me.

    Out of curiousity, since you seem to think we’re not real people and are Agenda 21 agitators (I’m not sure how that makes us not real people, but nevermind that), can you show us one example of you going into a true reality-based community, peddling your book, and being well-received?

    Oh, and your Alinsky quote is, as usual from you, wrong. The actual line is “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” (emphasis mine) And it might interest you to know that in 1972 Alinsky gave an interview with Playboy, and the intro to the interview described Alinsky as “one of the great American leaders of the nonsocialist left”. (emphasis mine) He wasn’t actually a socialist, you know. Left-winger, yes. Community organizer, yes. Socialist, no.

  • dingojack

    So the fact there’s no evidence of your wild assumptions and allegations is evidence that there is evidence. Gotcha.

    Dingo

    —–

    Found the source for that ‘Tony Blair’ quote yet?

  • reneholaday

    At the International Conference on Governance for Sustainable Growth and Equity in July of 1997, two American Mayors attended. According to Joan Veon’s book, “Prince Charles the Sustainable Prince”,

    “San Francisco mayor Willie Brown said:

    “I am delighted and honored….to participate in this very necessary conference…..Cities are going to be where people actually live. Cities are going to be where policies of the UN, as well as the federal government, will ultimately be implemented.”

    Wow! The original definition of Sustainable Development doesn’t say a single thing about how people will only be able to live in the cities in the future, does it?

    Also according to “Prince Charles the Sustainable Prince” by Joan Veon;

    “The Prince of Wales Business Leaders Forum participated in the forum for mayors and the forum for civil society at the

    International Conference for Sustainable Growth and Equity. According to independent journalist Linda Liotta who attended the conference,

    ‘the secretary-general opened the meeting by telling participants that ‘You are the agents of change and of new politics’ and that ‘good governance and sustainable development are indivisible.’ She told me: The UN brought in the local level from around the world. For the first time in U.N. history, the opening and closing conference ceremonies were held in General Assembly giving special rights and recognition to the local level. The participants sat in the places where the appointed U.N. ambassadors to the UN sit.”

    “At that same Conference, Seattle Mayor Norman Rice said: ‘Sustainability today requires communities to constantly work toward a strong future through partnerships between government, business, labor, and the citizenry.”

    At the 1996 Habitat II Conference in Istanbul, Joan Veon interviewed Baltimore mayor Kurt Schmoke, who is also a Rhodes Scholar, and was on the U.S. delegation with two other mayors. She asked him what his presence at that Conference meant and he replied:

    “Well, what I have tried to do here is to let other members of the delegation and those from around the world know how important this conference is to mayors in the United States. We just wanted people to know how important this conference is. It is the beginning of a new era with local government officials being listened to in the development of the United Nations documents and we see this as kind of the wave of the future.”

    Joan described that “Just as local chamber of commerce chapters receive directions from the International Chamber of Commerce, so too, are mayors now conforming to the UN Charter.”

  • dcsohl

    We’ve all heard this definition, but it is not the true definition as it deceptively fails to describe anything about the true intention of Sustainable Development which plans to move 50% of the US population into Sustainable cities and out of the rural areas.

    That’s because those plans don’t exist. This is your wildest and boldest claim yet, and you haven’t even persuaded us why we should care about what Dave Foreman has to say! Instead you just keep on insisting on redefining words to suit your paranoid delusions with absolutely no evidence that anybody at the UN (or any other governmental body) is using them that way.

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    dingojack:

    Unlike MRS. Hole-In-The-Head you don’t have access to a time machine.

    I mean, she went back and made Harper PM of Canadistan in 2002 when he was still just another disaffected reiKKKwing fuckwad (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=ie7&q=%E2%80%9CKyoto+is+essentially+a+socialist+scheme+to+suck+money+out+of+wealth-producing+nations.%E2%80%9D%E2%80%93Stephen+Harper%2C+Canadian+Prime+Minister%2C+2002&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rlz=1I7_____en)–Now, that there is a fuckin’ link!).

  • dingojack

    Hmmm – seems to be quite an obsession about ‘filth’ going on there.

    Dingo

  • dcsohl

    By the way, you do realize that 80% of the US population already lives in urban areas? Sounds to me like Agenda 21’s work is done before it even begins.

  • dcsohl

    And, of course, that Willie Brown comment can not be found anywhere on the web; it’s sole provenance is a book that I’m sure you’d be happy to sell us. Ditto for the Norman Rice quote.

    And, honestly, they both seem perfectly innocuous given that people already live mostly in cities, and that what Rice allegedly said seems spot on to me.

  • reneholaday

    I do have to question the process of how George Bush Sr. brought Sustainable Development home to every county in America without ever having signed a Treaty. It says that Congress never ratified the Treaty from the Rio conference in 1992, but instead, the President spread it throughout our country by using something called “Soft Law”, which is established through something called “policy recommendation”.

    Through this “Soft Law“, which is not constitutional or lawful at all in this case, the President was able to bypass all Judicial, Senate, and Congressional checks and balances entirely. Progressively, through the years following the introduction of this Sustainable Development “Soft Law”, the states began turning soft law into state law through the GMA (Growth Management Act), when the UN provided the false scenario of a man-made Global Warming.

    So the UN infrastructure was already established through soft law, and then the supposed crisis was supplied later on to bring it into actual State Law in every single state in America, without anybody really understanding the semi-coup that just happened.

    When the US Senate doesn’t approve of the resolution for ratification of a treaty, then it can’t be made into concrete law, even if it is after15 years of quietly following the soft law guidelines, and pretending that all the programs are just “business as usual“. So I don’t see how allowing something that comes from a foreign government that is introduced through “policy recommendation” can be allowed to mature into something that can be made into law?? Especially without due process through the checks and balances that are in place in the USA to protect Americans from foreign invasion and infiltration. Nor can it be lawful to have this “policy recommendation” take over our country when it was never ratified as an actual treaty.

    Many of the people on the west side of WA state lost their entire life savings fighting a CAO (Critical Areas Ordinance) that was demanded by the Growth Management Act (GMA) and is

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    really terrible, because they lost to something that is an unlawful procedure in the first place, as well as being an unlawful passing of a law that was never approved of for ratification by the US Senate.

    So I am speculating about the idea, that had the US Senate agreed with the resolution of ratification for the Treaty on “The UN’s Sustainable Development Agenda 21”, they would have just passed all of it as law at that time, across all 50 states. But …. they didn’t ratify the Treaty at all.

    The fact that it was brought to each of the 50 State’s Legislatures individually, is VERY strange. If it was meant to be nationwide, it should have been passed as a national law. How many Senate Bills are thrown out and then all 50 states pass them anyway? I could be wrong, but I don’t know if that has ever happened prior to that point? Could it be because Sustainable Development is highly unconstitutional and they know it? I say yes. I say they know ful well what it is that Sustainable Development embodies. It embodies the Communist and fascist ideals of no tolerance for private property rights, individual rights, and extensive regulations on both private property and corporations.

    Communism says no private property rights and no individual rights, and fascism says Public private partnerships and heavy regulation of the private sector.

  • dcsohl

    (argh. “its sole provenance”. And, while I’m at it, “cannot” not “can not”.)

  • dingojack

    Demo – I note that all the links you came upon were no earlier than 2007. The earliest I could find is this dating from 2005, although updated since.

    Note the lack of detail about the original source.

    Dingo

  • dcsohl

    René, are you actually listening to anything we’re saying? For that matter are you even listening to yourself? Seems to me like you’re just cutting-and-pasting your screeds here without any attempt to listen to us or to convince us. We have been tearing apart every single thing you post, and you ignore that. You just keep spewing more.

    Are you related to Duane Gish, by any chance?

  • dingojack

    What more fake quotes?!? Say it isn’t so.

    “…the states began turning soft law into state law through the GMA (Growth Management Act), when the UN provided the false scenario of a man-made Global Warming“.

    Just a few more and I’ll have filled my Kook Bingo card.

    Dingo

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    dingojack:

    That’s the trouble with altering time, it doesn’t always alter everything else in the sub-linneanhyperstitial spaces, knoi’msane?

  • dcsohl

    There are prior examples of all 50 states adopting the same law. They often do it on purpose, precisely because that law would be unConstitutional for the Federal Government to adopt. For example, the Uniform Commercial Code which standardizes contract law and other legal niceties across the fifty states. It would be a breach of “states’ rights” for the Federal Government to enforce this sort of stuff, so the 50 states got together and said we’ll do it voluntarily.

    Oh, and are you actually telling me that Alabama, where Agenda 21 is now illegal, adopted … Agenda 21? Now you’re confusing me.

  • StevoR

    “Agenda 21 is an elusive enemy that floats in and chokes you gradually,” said Saul, of the Cedar Valley Tea Party in Cedar Falls, Iowa.

    Must be too tired now, but for a second there I read that as :

    “Agenda 21 is an elusive enema that floats in and chokes you gradually,” said Saul, of the Cedar Valley Tea Party in Cedar Falls, Iowa.

    Which would be a bit of a worry!

  • StevoR

    @66. dingojack provided a:

    Timeline of random events with no particular bearing on anything at all:

    (I) 4.527 billion years ago: a Mars-sized planetesimal called ‘Thetis’ collides with the Proto-Earth creating several moons and slashing-out the first atmosphere. Earth is tilted by 23½ degrees, rotation speeds up to a little under 6 hours.

    (II)630 million years ago: The Peninsula Granite intrusion into the Malmesbury Group, Cape Peninsula and False Bay, Wales.

    (III)201 ±2 million years ago: A bolide 23-50Km wide hits Earth forming the Rochechouart crater in France.

    (IV)75 Million Years ago: Huabeisaurus roams the island fragment of Gondwanaland that will become Northern China.

    (V) 6.5 Million years ago: Inaccessible Island erupts for the last time.

    (VI) 14,500 years ago: Lake Bonneville overflows into the Black Sea.

    (Numbering added for ease of reference – Ed. )

    Well (I) was actually pretty durn important in making our Earth what it is today.

    (II) & (III) there have affected regional geology and thus had possible influences of agriculture and culture and other things. (Including potentially but not necessarily ships and sealing wax)

    (IV) Yeah, not much of consequence there tho’ kinda neat. Sauropod? Igauandontid? Stegosaur? Got me curious – I’ll have to wiki that now.

    (V) A bit vague – lots of possible islands that could be! Which specific one? Again could have regional effects and if eruption is large enough and other factors come into play could lead to major extinctions, alterations in biomes, etc .. Could’ve had bearing on a few things or not much bearing at all.

    (VI)Lake Bonneville – isn’t that in the United States – Utah if memory serves?

    Yet the Black Sea is bordered by ..(flips globe around, checks) Turkey / Russia / Ukraine /Romania. Hmm.. Think you’re abit geographically embarrassed on that last one Dingojack!

  • StevoR

    Huabeisaurus = sauropod.

    Or so wikipedia says.

  • dingojack

    (v) – The island involved is Inaccessible Island.

    Dingo

  • blf

    The largest cult in Utah claims they are descended or something from some guys in Middle East. Makes a bit more sense if what is now Utah happened to in the general area in the past. (Dates aren’t quite right, but what’s a few millennia to kooks?)

  • dingojack

    I doubt Mrs Troll can find her own rectum (even with the studio audience, a freind on the phone and a 50/50). So any old geography will do.

    Dingo

  • dingojack

    Stevo I don’t think it’s eruption would have had much effect on anything much.

    Dingo

  • blf

    I doubt Mrs Troll can find her own rectum…

    So where is her head inserted?

  • imrryr

    Stevo I don’t think it’s eruption would have had much effect on anything much.

    Dingo

    “Actually, you’re wrong and I know everything there is to know about that island.”

    -Abraham Lincoln, Third Doge of Venice, March 32, 208 BC.

    Sorry, Dingo, I found a quote therefore you’re wrong :(

  • dingojack

    blf – doubt if she could find her own head either… :(

    imrryr – “That Third Doge of Venice was a blithering idiot”. – Steven Harper in a undated alleged letter to someoneelse (Well he did, ’cause I say so. So Nyahh!)

    “What Steven said”. – Tony Blair in an address to his testicles, third stall on the left, public toilets, Adelaide SA, 1955.

    Dingo

  • busterggi

    BECAUSE THE TRUTH MUST BE TOLD!

    18-10 bil BC: Somewhere in this range our Universe began. Big Bang — space, time, and matter appear. Some blame Azathoth for this mess. (real)

    4.5 bil BC: Earth formed. (Real)

    ?: According to some, the earth is brought out of an alternate dimension by the Great Old Ones.

    2 billion BC: Elder Things arrive (crinoid Old Ones from AtMoM). (AtMoM, by HPL) Possibly the Antarctic was already inhabited by something nasty (?) at the time, but the record is unclear. (AtMoM) (Note: The original FAQ said that the something nasty was Tawil at’Umr, but that hardly seems likely.)

    Ubbo-Sathla, the progenitor of all earthly life, definitely exists by now. (Smith)

    ?: The people of K’n-yan, who reputedly came to earth with “Tulu” (Cthulhu), migrated to the surface when the land was fit to live on. (HPL/Bishop)

    600 million BC: Flying Polyps arrive, and build basalt cities with windowless towers (in Australia). (No Ref)

    Archaean slate preserves striated triangular footprints of Elder Things. (AtMoM)

    200 million BC: Pangea broke up. (Real)

    R’lyeh emerges(?)/is built(?). (No Ref)

    Spawn of Cthulhu arrive, war with the Elder Things, and drive them into the sea. (AtMoM)

    190-140 million BC: Jurassic. (Real)

    Mi-go arrive from Yuggoth (Pluto) and drive Elder Things from Northern Hemisphere. (AtMoM)

    150 million BC: Permian Age. (Real)

    Marine Elder Things re-subjugate Shoggoths. (AtMoM)

    Elder Things war with Great Race. (No Ref)

    ?: Great Race of Yith (minds only) flees unknown doom on Yith. They come forward in time and inhabit the bodies of the indigenous Australian conical entities. (No Ref)

    100 million BC: Rifts seperate Africa from Europe/Valusia and Asia. (No Ref)

    50 million BC: City founded in Mts of Madness to replace older city on site of first arrival, by Elder Things. (AtMoM)

    Land bridge to Americas through Iceland ends, seperating the flora/fauna evolution of America from Europe. (Real)

    30-25 million BC: Development of CircumAntarctic current, essentially isolating Antarctica from the rest of the continents, and beginning the establishment of the Antarctic Ice Sheet. (Real)

    Pliocene map. (Real)

    No sea cities of Elder Things north of 50deg S; no land cities outside of Antarctica and tip of South America. (AtMoM)

    750,000 BC: Civilization of Hyperborea, based around present-day Greenland, destroyed by the ice. Its wisdom, including the Book of Eibon, is passed down through secret cults. (Smith/CoC)

    100,000 BC: Kull the Atlantean becomes king of Valusia. (Howard)

    50,000 BC: Civilization of great-headed brown people of South Africa. (No Ref)

    24,000 BC: Hairy cannibal Gnophkehs overcame many-templed Olathoe and slay all the heros of the land of Lomar (inside 80 deg N). (Polaris, by HPL)

    Pnakotic Manuscripts taken to Ulthar in the Dreamlands. (No Ref)

    Hyperborean copy of PM preserved by same cult which wrote the Book of Eibon. (No Ref)

    18,000 BC: Atlantis and Lemuria sink beneath the waves. The years that follow are the Hyborian Age, time of Conan. (Howard)

    c. 9500 BC: Isle of Poseidonis, last remnant of Atlantis, sinks. (Smith)

    3700 BC: Rise of Uruk period of Sumerian civilization. (Real)

    3100 BC: The First Dynasty of Egypt is founded. (Real).

    30 BCE: Ubar/Irem “a many-columned city … whose like has never been built in the whole land” [Koran] vanishes in sandstorm. [1984 Challenger mission spots buried roadway stretching for 60 miles in desert north of Oman’s Dhofar province] [Mankato Free Press, 7/16/1990] [Hitti, HIST.ARABS: “A recently discovered Nabataean site, ‘RM, 25 miles east of al-Aqabah, is Kornaic Iram (sur. 89:6)”][2/5/92 NYT “Archeologists and explorers in Oman have uncovered the ruins of eight towers and adjoining walls and deposits of pottery dating to Roman times and as far back as 2,000 BC. The explorers are virtually sure it is UBAR, the fabled entrepot of the rich frankincense trade thousands of years ago.”]

    c. 300: Decline and fall of Rome. (Real)

    c. 730: Al Azif written at Damascus by Abdul Alhazred, who claimed to have visited Irem and an even older city; worshipped Yog-Sothoth and Cthulhu. (HPL)

    738: Alhazred dies or disappears under terrible circumstances. Said by Ebn Khiallikan to have been seized in broad daylight and devoured by an invisible monster before a horrified crowd. (HPL) (August Derleth claimed this happened in 731.)

    950: Al Azif translated into Greek as Necronomicon by Theodorus Philetas. (HPL)

    1050: Greek text of Necronomicon burnt by Michael, Patriarch of Constantinople (Arabic text lost at this point). (HPL)

    1228: Olaus translates Necronomicon into Latin. (HPL)

    1232: Pope Gregory IX bans Necronomicon. (HPL)

    15th century: Black letter edition of Latin Necronomicon printed in Germany. (HPL)

    1492: Columbus discovers New World. (Real)

    1500 – 1550: Greek text of Necronomicon printed in Italy. (Last known copy vanished in burning of a certain Salem man’s library in 1692. Copy kept by Pickman family of Salem? If so, vanished with R. U. Pickman in 1926.) (HPL)

    16th c.: Ludwig Prinn pens De Vermis Mysteriis while awaiting execution. (Bloch)

    1692: Salem witch-trials. (Real)

    17th cent: bish printing (in Latin?) of Necronomicon (copies of this edition now at Bibliotheque National in Paris, Widener Library at Harvard, Miskatonic U. library at Arkham, library of Buenos Aires). (HPL)

    1771: The four Brown brothers, Reverend Manning and the Governor of Rhode Island (Lippincott?) take action against Joseph Curwen. (HPL)

    1775: The American Revolution begins. (Real)

    1795: Friedrich Wilheim von Junzt born.(”The Black Stone”, Howard)

    1839: Unaussprechlichen Kulten published in Dusseldorf. Written by Friedrich von Junzt [read Necronomicon in Greek translation]. Von Junzt dies six months after returning from trip to Mongolia while working on second book. Less than a dozen copies exist of this edition. [“Von Junzt relates many stories of the survivals of cults worshipping pre-human entities or prehistoric gods, such as Ghatanothoa, Bran, and others. The principle obscurity of the book is in Von Junzt’s use of the term ‘keys’ — phrase used many times by him, in various relations, such as descriptions of the infamous Black Stone in Hungary and the legendary Temple of the Toad in Honduras.”] (Howard)

    1845: Bridewell, London publisher, does a pirated translation of Unaussprechlichen Kulten. “… full of grotesque woodcuts, and riddled with misspellings, faulty translations, and the usual errors of a cheap and unscholarly printing. …” (Howard)

    1860-65: American Civil War. (Real).

    1882, June: Meteorite lands west of Arkham. (”The Colour Out of Space”) (HPL)

    1892: Body exhumed, heart burned in Exeter, RI. (mentioned “The Shunned House”) (HPL)

    1901, February 22: Climax of “Beyond the Wall of Sleep.” (HPL)

    1907, November 1: Raid near New Orleans captures Cthulhu cultists. (HPL)

    1908 – 1913: Wingate Peaslee, professor of economics at Miskatonic, is afflicted with amnesia. (HPL)

    1909: Golden Goblin Press, New York. Expurgated edition of Unaussprechlichen Kulten (fully one quarter of work cut), handsomely bound, illustrated by Diego Vasquez. Approx. 30 known to still exist. (Howard)

    1910, January: Houdini is “Imprisioned With the Pharaohs.” (HPL)

    1913, August 3: Box delivered to A. Jermyn, who subsequently sets himself on fire. (HPL)

    1917, August 20: “The Temple” 20 N, 35 W. (HPL)

    1918, November 11: World War I ends. (Real)

    1919, August 25: Exploration of the Shunned House. (HPL)

    1921, August: Reporter encounters “The Lurking Fear.” (HPL)

    1922, January: “The Attic Window” published in Whispers. (See “The Unnameable”)

    1923, July 16: Delapore moves into Exham Priory. (HPL)

    1925, March 23 to April 2: R’lyeh emerges from ocean. (HPL)

    1926: R. U. Pickman disappears. (HPL)

    1927, Good Friday: Charles Dexter Ward revives Joseph Curwen. (HPL)

    1927, July 6: “The Shadow Over Innsmouth.” (HPL)

    1928, February: Raid on Innsmouth. (HPL)

    1928, August: The Dunwich Horror. (HPL)

    Professor Wilmarth flees from Akeley’s house in Vermont. (HPL)

    1928, October 7: Randolph Carter goes through the Gate of the Silver Key [Aug 30, 1932 letter “Dear Abdul … And for each plane of cutting, we get a different 3 dimensional solid. Thus from an original, unchangeable 4th dimensional SOMETHING, we get a (sic) infinity of seemingly different 3 dimensional forms; as by varying the angle at which a plane cuts a cone … All of which is the thesis accounting for Carter’s scrambled affairs.”]. (HPL)

    1931, January 22: Plane spots the Mountains of Madness 76 15′ S, 113 10′ E. (HPL)

    1931, March: Gale wrecks roof of the Witch House. (HPL)

    1935, June 3: First blocks found by Peaslee’s Australian expedition. (HPL)

    1935, Night of July 17-18: Peaslee explores ruins. (HPL)

    1939-1945: World War II. (Real)

    During this time, most copies of the Necronomicon are stolen by Nazis or vanish. (Colin Low’s “Necronomicon Anti-FAQ”)

    1945: Atom bomb exploded, supposedly with Nyarlathotep’s help. (Bloch)

    c. 1968: The Wilmarth Foundation begins its war against the cthonians. (Lumley)

    1969: Titus Crow and Henri-Laurent de Marigny killed (?) in freak windstorm. (Lumley)

    1973: First published Necronomicon hoax appears. (real)

    Events in the Future:

    Great Old Ones return. Either everyone dies, or life becomes extremely unpleasant. (HPL)

    5000 BC: Empire of Tsan-Chan rises (this may be before or after previous entry). (HPL)

    Great Race returns to earth in bodies of beetles. (HPL)

    Sun grows in size to red giant, then contracts once again, making earth uninhabitable. (Real — too bad for you)

    End of universe. (Real)

  • dingojack

    5000 BC is (or may be) in the future?

    Curse that Obama and his Time Machine and Mind Control Device!!

    Dingo

  • http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    reneholaday “Ridicule is all that any of you have here.”

    To be fair, we also have s’mores.

    “I thought there were real people here, but obviously the only people here are Agenda 21 facilitators.”

    Oh, come on! How could I refuse? They give you a cool badge when you join!

    “‘the secretary-general opened the meeting by telling participants that ‘You are the agents of change and of new politics’ and that ‘good governance and sustainable development are indivisible.”

    Ah hah! This is America, where “good governance and unsustainable development are indivisible”! It’s right there in the Pledge of Independence. Take that, rest of the world!

  • Tony–Queer Duck Overlord of The Bronze–

    reneholaday:

    I thought there were real people here, but obviously the only people here are Agenda 21 facilitators.

    Nope, we’re not real people or facilitators of Agenda 21.

    We’re all sockpuppets of Ed Brayton.

    Oh, and I didn’t know anything about Agenda 21 until Ed’s post. So I wasn’t exactly a facilitator. If you were trying to convince me that you’re right, you’ve done a poor job.

    Ridicule is all that any of you have here.

    That’s one more thing than you’ve presented thus far.

    A bunch of quotes attributed to people with no links accompanying them. Yes, that’s going to convince people that you’re right.

    Real people are decent and behave in a decent way.

    You don’t meet many people do you. That’s a ridiculous thing to say. There are plenty of “real” people in the world who aren’t decent. That doesn’t mean they’re any less human than you or I. Quit with the wounded routine and stop expecting people to just fawn over you. You have yet to present any facts with original sources. You’ve consistently peddled your book, which at this point I’m starting to think is made up of quotes you’ve pulled out of…somewhere dirty and indecent.

    All that pours from the posters in response to my posts is filth.

    It’s filth to want you to back up your assertions with citations?

    There’s a certain member of the Horde that has a saying about unsupported opinions-which is all you’ve presented thus far (up to comment #69, though I don’t have much hope for anything in the future). Wish he were here right now, b/c coming from him it sounds so much better.

    But I want this this to be seen as an example of the eco-extremists the real world has to deal with. This is the kind of mindless filth that they are up against.

    You got criticized for unsupported opinions presented as facts and peddling your book (yes, that’s exactly what you’ve done). This isn’t filth. This is people not being gullible.

  • Tony–Queer Duck Overlord of The Bronze–

    reneholaday @73 & 74:

    Where’s the link to the original quote?

    Are we supposed to take your word for it that you’ve provided the full context, unedited? You must not be accustomed to people actually asking for source material.

  • dingojack

    As I said earlier, strong concern about perceived ‘filth’ (and ‘acquiescence to authority’) is interesting. I wonder if Mrs Troll has ‘undue levels of prurience’ too?

    Dingo

  • Tony–Queer Duck Overlord of The Bronze–

    If she really wants to see filth*, she could take her book selling tour to The Thunderdome.

    *by ‘filth’, I mean people ripping her apart worse than this and using a lot of really mean words too.

  • dingojack

    Maybe she’s beyond Thunderdome….

    😉 Dingo

  • lofgren

    I don’t really expect people to always provide sources in random blog comments. Something like the Prince Charles quote, sure, because it apparently exists nowhere else on the internet and that’s pretty suspect. But you might notice that I rarely source my own arguments. If somebody says something that piques my curiosity then I consider it to be my responsibility to do the checking myself, unless the info is really esoteric or obscure.

    Honestly, I have no reason to doubt the Prince Charles quote. Prince Charles is 2/3 nincompoop. Although he is a strong advocate for the environment, he comes at it from a scientifically illiterate direction. In fact he is outright hostile towards good science. And it is unsurprising that a man who still enjoys the privileges bequeathed to him by middle age autocrats would have a particularly authoritarian attitude towards implementing sustainable practices. In fact I would even concede that this confluence is unfortunately quite vocal and powerful elsewhere in the environmentalist movement.

    But so what? So Prince Charles made a fool of himself – again. Prince Charles is an environmental advocate but it’s not like he alone determines the UN environmental agenda, or gets to unilaterally redefine words the way that Rene seems to the think he can.

    The whole approach is so typical of conspiracy theorists. It’s like some mutant hybrid of cherry picking and quote mining. It’s in the same vein as those who assert that because Margaret Sanger once expressed an opinion using language similar to that of early 20th century eugenicists, we should therefore conclude that Planned Parenthood has a secret agenda to exterminate black people. Or those who claim that Michelle Obama’s exhortations to the American people to eat healthily constitute proof that Barack Obama intends to force feed everybody broccoli and ban cheeseburgers.

  • Tony–Queer Duck Overlord of The Bronze–

    lofgren:

    I don’t really expect people to always provide sources in random blog comments. Something like the Prince Charles quote, sure, because it apparently exists nowhere else on the internet and that’s pretty suspect.

    I can understand that.

    The way she presented herself with the frequent quotes, as well as the arrogance prompted me to want to see her sources.

  • lofgren

    The way she presented herself with the frequent quotes, as well as the arrogance prompted me to want to see her sources.

    Well for somebody who claims to be an author and expert on the subject, needing time to dig through six years of research in order to source the first quote you pull out of your hat definitely reeks of deflection.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    (aside: I’m pretty sure Rene has no idea what “fascism” means)

    Of course he does: “fascism” is any instance where he’s expected to endure any inconvenience or sacrifice for the benefit of someone else, do something he doesn’t want to do, or learn something he doesn’t want to learn. Example: he didn’t want to take baths or clean up his room when he was little, therefore his parents were “fascists” for making him do so. It’s the standard definition of “fascism” in today’s America, and I’m really surprised you’re not up on it.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    I do have to question the process of how George Bush Sr. brought Sustainable Development home to every county in America without ever having signed a Treaty.

    How? He personally went on a whirlwind tour of every county in America, gave the sheriff a wedgie, and smiled with Old Europe paternalistic glee as his jackbooted thugs tore down everything and rebuilt it according to the UN Five Year Plan. I’m surprised you missed the whole kerfuffle.

    Okay, I’m kidding — Bush Sr. did nothing of the sort, and you’re just making shit up. Does that answer your question? You’re welcome.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    I could be wrong…

    Indeed, you could.

  • DaveL

    Through this “Soft Law“, which is not constitutional or lawful at all in this case, the President was able to bypass all Judicial, Senate, and Congressional checks and balances entirely.

    I’m fascinated by this idea of “soft laws”, otherwise known as “not laws”, or “suggestions”, which somehow are unlawful and unconstitutional. How exactly does that work? If I write a letter to my representative suggesting that, for instance, wildlife crossing tunnels are a good idea, is that unconstitutional and unlawful? Or do I have to get a logo and professional-looking letterhead first?

  • Chiroptera

    By the way, what ever happened to that hunnerd lane highway that was supposed to run from Mexico to Canada?

  • davem

    @Rene #60:

    That list is a list of (mostly) good stuff happening. Nations getting together to sort out mutual problems. Although, I must say your grip on major events in World history is a bit suspect. Did nothing major happen in 1939?

    So, you’ve let us know about what you’re against: sustainable development. So can I take it you’re in favour of unsustainable development? My ad hoc definition of that is “screw our descendants, we’ll take it all now”. Is that your attitude? Or do you have children that you’d like to hand over a planet that will support them?

    I am not a member of the Tea Party, eventhough I don’t have anything against them.

    If you don’t have anything against them, you’re one of them, or you’re clueless.

    I’m one of the 11! people who’ve seen your video on Youtube. Sincerely, you’d be better off sticking to raising horses. You just have to be better at that than political history, in which you are clearly way out of your depth.

  • dingojack

    Strange, I could have sworn I commented on Chiroptera’s comment (#116), but it seems it vanished into thin air.

    A hundred lane freeway in the US would be 360 metres wide or about 393yds 2ft 1.228in wide.

    Source. See Table 3, pages 12-13.

    Dingo

  • Armored Scrum Object

    A hundred lane freeway in the US would be 360 metres wide or about 393yds 2ft 1.228in wide.

    Wow, that’s big! I bet it would cost at least a few billion Ameros to build it.

  • dingojack

    The Connecticut Turnpike cost about $862,250 per lane per mile. One hundred lanes over 1500 miles would be around $129.3375 billion.

    (Yes I’m a little bored right now, thanks for asking :) ).

    Dingo

  • dingojack

    At around 116.75878 vehicles per day per lane per mile, a 1500 miles long hundred lane road would be expected to carry about 17.5 million vehicles in a day, from Canada to Mexico.

    That’s about 6.7% of all motor vehicles owned by Americans. Whatever is in Canada or Mexico better be really, really good.

    :) Dingo

  • Michael Heath

    Unfortunately my regional newspaper reported yesterday that my state legislator had submitted a bill back in July to outlaw Agenda 21, here’s his argument advocating for passage.

    He’s an ex-TV news weatherman in a very tiny market who falsely argues that climate change is due to a natural cycle and then ignores/avoids the implications of current warming. At least he’s not a YEC given his claim this cycle goes back millions of years. Given a two-link limit I’ll merely quote the latest, which is easy to google and find; from a tweet:

    This election you can do something about floods? Really Obama! Climate change is real? News flash – it’s cyclical! For millions of years!

  • blf

    At least he’s not a YEC given his claim this cycle goes back millions of years.

    YECs, conspiracy nutters, and other creatures from the deluded are not known for consistency.

  • Michael Heath

    Great point blf.

  • bryanfeir

    Hmm, did anybody else look at the big copypasta rant in #84 and have the ‘55’ in the middle pop out at them like a sore thumb? Looks like somebody just did a select/copy on a PDF file, and ended up with the page number stuck in there by mistake. So, I guess that’s from pages 55-56 of the book being flogged…

  • Ichthyic

    Nope, we’re not real people or facilitators of Agenda 21.

    We’re all sockpuppets of Ed Brayton.

    Am too!

  • Ichthyic

    “What Steven said”. – Tony Blair in an address to his testicles, third stall on the left, public toilets, Adelaide SA, 1955.

    LOL

    winner.

  • Ichthyic

    “ridicule is one of the socialists’ most powerful weapons.”</i.

    oh, not just socialists…

    http://www.iwp.edu/news_publications/detail/ridicule-an-instrument-in-the-war-on-terrorism

  • dingojack

    davem (#117) – “Sincerely, you’d be better off sticking to raising horses”.

    Rather than flogging dead ones? :)

    Ichthyic (#127) – A little known fact is that Tony Blair’s dad was a lecturer at the Uni of Adelaide during the 50’s (possibly when young Tony was about 1 to 4 years old).*

    Dingo

    —–

    * According to FoAW (ie Wikipedia)