Trump’s Bombshell Announcement Fizzles

As I predicted, Donald Trump’s self-publicized bombshell announcement on Wednesday turned out to be nothing more than way for him to get more attention. He is offering $5 million to charity if Obama releases all of the records of his life, which will land with as much of a thud as Mitt Romney’s $10,000 bet with Rick Perry. Also predictably, the Worldnutdaily jumped all over it with this breathless headline:

Here’s Trump’s video:

httpv://youtu.be/MgOq9pBkY0I

Yawn.

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  • schmeer

    Stephen Colbert’s response was funny. It should be on the Comedy Central website.

  • Randomfactor

    Trump ought to save his money–his company just got fired as the manager of Trump Tower.

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    Stephen Colbert’s response was funny.

    He’s just worried that Trump is going to start competing with them in the comedy space.

    Ok, maybe he’s not very worried.

  • http://killedbyfish.blogspot.com feralboy12

    Perhaps us poorer folk could take up a collection and donate money to charity in exchange for Trump releasing his hair back into the wild.

  • jesse

    OK, here is something I was trying to figure out. Someone please tell me what I am missing.

    According to the law as I understand it – as per U.S. vs. Wong Kim Ark, and the law when Obama (and in fact John McCain) was born:

    — The person’s parents were married at the time of birth

    — One of the person’s parents was a U.S. citizen when the person was born

    — The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child’s birth;

    — A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent’s 14th birthday.

    Now, all of this would also also fall under the Citizenship Act of 1790, which says, “the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens”

    So, assuming that subsequent changes (to Obama’s birth) didn’t overturn the 1790 law completely, it seems to me that under any definition provided by the law, Obama would be a “natural born” citizen, even if he was born in Mongolia, Kenya, or on the goddamned moon.

    Am I missing something here? John McCain was born beyond the limits of the U.S. too, though I guess at that point it was like being born in Samoa or something since officially it was US territory.

  • wherearemybeets

    This is the only Trump video I need to see:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bslu64OftQ

  • blf

    jesse, Yes, you can be a natural-born USAian citizen despite being born in a foreign country. You don’t need to be born in a USAian territory like McCain was. I am such a person, indisputably born in a foreign country yet am a natural-born USAian. And I have a document from the State Department to prove it, issued by the USAian consulate(? embassy?) in the country of my birth, called something like (it’s in safe-keeping and so is not readily accessible) Certificate of a Natural-Born Citizen Born Aboard.

  • http://rockstarramblings.blogspot.com/ Bronze Dog

    Stephen Colbert’s response was funny. It should be on the Comedy Central website.

    My brother showed me that clip. One thing I loved was the part, “but it has to be to my satisfaction,” since I can so easily imagine Trump moving the goal posts in the event that Obama did meet his demands.

  • Alverant

    AFAIK, Chump never released his tax returned as he promised when Obama released his birth certificate. So why should we believe him now?

  • matty1

    What is that on his head?

  • brianwestley

    Obama explains why Trump seems to have it out for him:

  • dingojack

    matty1 – For your answer in the form of a prediction see busterggi’s post here.

    :) Dingo

  • dogfightwithdogma

    Donald only succeeds in revealing the depth of his moral bankruptcy. He has $5 million to offer as a charitable donation but will do so only if another person, in this case President Obama, complies with this ridiculous condition Trump has set. Only a morally bankrupt person withholds from charity unless someone else does something he wants done. Donald himself said that this is a check he really wants to write. Well if so, then just write the check, send it off to a worthy charity, and end this idiotic circus show.

  • Chiroptera

    jesse, #5: – A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent’s 14th birthday.

    Obama was born just shy of his mother turning 19, she couldn’t have resided in the US for at least 5 years after her 14th birthday.

    (Unless the day when she was born counts as her first birthday.)

  • freebird

    If he’s happy to write it, why not just write it? Why be a dick about it? You’re missing the point of charity you ass clown.

  • http://saltycurrent.blogspot.com SC (Salty Current), OM

    “Show us your documents!” has long been a rallying cry of freedom.

  • bahrfeldt

    Donald “Everybody Loves a Landlord” Trumplestiltskin says that he will pay up only if he is personally satisfied that the submission (presuming more than one meaning of submission) meets his requirements which he will make up as he waddles on. He demands all of the President’s passport and college applications ever written with all supporting information tendered plus all college grades. Presumably, for the payout, only the original applications will be considered satisfactory. Nor will he consider any information to be verified as being all there ever was. And what about certified transcripts of any interviews pertinent conversations? All due by his holiest day, Halloween (funny orange hair, dark costume).

    Off topic, with writing off real estate depreciation “expense” and carrying forward business losses, isn’t he presumably one of the 47%?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=597316935 ashleybell

    Or, he could just go to ANY fucking university library in the USA and peruse the Harvard Law Review journals from the time Obama was the editor.

    Is Trumpenstien’s allegation that Obama didn’t even GO to Harvard, or that his grades sucked and that he was pushed through by affirmative action… Pretty sure the D or even C student doesn’t get to be the SENIOR EDITOR of the Harvard Law Review…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=597316935 ashleybell

    And one thing I gotta say about Obama… That guy is CLEAN. You KNOW if there had been any diety laundry stuufed away in some closet, these breathakingly sociopathic-failures-of-basic-human- decency would have found it… They got NOTHIN’…

  • http://umlud.blogspot.com umlud

    jesse @2 and chirptera @14

    The US Code states something a little different than “A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent’s 14th birthday.”:

    a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years

    Ergo: if Obama weren’t born in the United States, he would still be a citizen at birth because his mother was a citizen of the United States and was in the US for at least two years after the age of 14. Furthermore, if we look at the case of President Obama’s half sister – Maya Soetoro-Ng – she was born in Indonesia (no argument there on anyone’s part), and AFAIK she was granted US citizenship at birth (also AFAIK, with no argument there on anyone’s part).

  • http://www.holytape.etsy.com holytape

    Why would anyone let Trump play with a bomb? Of course he’s going to drop it. I wouldn’t trust that man to hold a rubber ball in a room lined with bubble wrap.

  • slc1

    Re jesse @ #5

    The 5 year requirement was subsequently reduced to 2 years.

    Re umlud @ #20

    Not quite so simple. The law at the time Obama was born said 5 years. Subsequently, the time was reduced to 2 years. So, if the birther schmucks would ever come up with some ironclad documentation that Obama was born in Kenya on Aug. 4, 1961, the Supreme Court would have an interesting case before them. Which law should be applied? Plaintiffs would argue that the law in effect at the time of birth should be applied, Obama’s lawyers would argue that the revised law should be applied based on the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment. My guess is that the court would probably punt and find either that the plaintiffs didn’t have standing or that, since only the Congress can remove a president from office, the court had no jurisdiction in the matter.

  • Ben P

    Am I missing something here? John McCain was born beyond the limits of the U.S. too, though I guess at that point it was like being born in Samoa or something since officially it was US territory.

    I really don’t feel like researching how citizenship law has changed since 1790 and it’s not really relevant, but the last since Obama’s birth is similar to the present and I can describe that off hand.

    Basically you have birthright citizenship if

    A. you were born inside the United States or its territories and subject to its jurisdiction.

    B. you were born anywhere to two parents who are United States Citizens and who have lived in the US at some point (i.e. expat citizenship lasts one generation).

    C. under some circumstances if born outside the US to unmarried parents one of whom is a citizen.

    D. Other narrow policies in non-relevant situations.

    All other categories may become naturalized citizens but are not birthright citizens

    Obama gets in obviously because Hawaii falls under A, even if it did not, I believe he would still qualify because his mother was a US citizen. Birthers try to string a theory about the amount of time she’d stayed in the US after a certain age, but those all break down pretty quickly when compared to known facts. The only relevant holding of Wong Kim Ark is that there are only two categories of citizens, birthright citizens (i.e. natural born) and naturalized.

    McCain’s controversy is a different nature, which is a very technical defect in the law.

    McCain was born to two US citizens in the Panama Canal Zone, which to be exceedingly technical was an “Unincorporated US Territory” until 1979. The constitution doesn’t govern such areas and individuals living in such areas did not become US citizens.

    McCain would otherwise have citizenship because he was born to two married U.S. Citizen parents, except the statute says something peculiar.

    The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

    (a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

    (c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;

    Having been born in an “unincorporated US Territory,” McCain was neither born “inside the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” nor “outside the united states and its outlying territories.” The PCZ is neither here nor there.

    Congress later fixed this by passing a special statute, but it was long after McCain’s birth. Congress also passed a resolution stating McCain was a birthright citizen.

    The statute is open to interpretation, and a court could reasonably find that McCain is a citizen nnyway, but that was McCaain’s problem in a nutshell.

  • dingojack

    “…a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien…”

    OMG!!! Obama’s dad was an alien?!?

    Hope he wasn’t the bitey kind that Sigourney Weaver found, but rather the nice kind that relieved us of Richard Dreyfuss.

    :) Dingo

  • http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    “I got a great plan, the best plan, a classy plan ever that ever was, with king size beds in every room and Egyptian cotton sheets. It goes like this; I shout ‘Nigger, nigger, nigger!’, then I pitch for my shows, the Apprentice, Thursdays at nine only on NBC, Celebrity Apprentice, also Thursdays at nine only on NBC, and coming up, and you’re not going to believe your eyes, this new show is so great and awe inspiring and the best ever, Sorceror’s Apprentice, also Thursdays at nine only on NBC. I’m a billion dollar train wreck, and you can’t get enough of me. Look in the mirror, America; I’m an orange you.”

  • cottonnero

    Obama’s dad was an alien? Come to think of it, have we ever seen Barack Obama (Sr.) and Bolaji Badejo in the same place at the same time?

  • slc1

    Re Ben P @ #23

    As has been cited previously on this thread, a statute was passed which was in force at the time of Obama’s birth which essentially said that someone born outside the US (e.g. Kenya) would have birthright citizenship provided that one of his/her parents was a US citizen and that that individual had resided in the US for 10 consecutive years, 5 of which occurred after his/her 14th birthday. As I stated in comment #22, the law was subsequently modified subsequent to Obama’s birth to reduce the 5 year requirement to 2 years. If the birthers could come up with a slam dunk case that Obama was born in Kenya, there would be a constitutional case before the courts as I described in that comment.

    There is a precedent for applying the later law albeit it is a state case, not a federal case. It is the trial of Michael Skakel for the murder of Martha Moxley in superior court, even though the law at the time of the crime, when Skakel was 15, said that an alleged miscreant had to have reached his/her 16th birthday in order to be tried as an adult. Subsequently that age was reduced to, I believe, 14. The trial judge in the case applied the modified law, even though it was passed subsequent to the crime.

  • Azkyroth, Former Growing Toaster Oven

    Am I missing something here? John McCain was born beyond the limits of the U.S. too, though I guess at that point it was like being born in Samoa or something since officially it was US territory.

    Yes. It’s not about where he was born, it’s about his race. If his father had been a *white* South African or some such no one would question it for a millisecond.

  • Aratina Cage

    @jesse

    John McCain was born beyond the limits of the U.S. too,

    Barack Obama was NOT born outside the U.S.A.! Period. End of story. The ONLY candidate for president in 2008 who was not born in the U.S.A. was John MFing McCain!

  • http://drx.typepad.com Dr X

    My favorite reaction, posted shortly after that ridiculous announcement.

    Somewhere right now, Barack Obama is laughing so hard milk is coming out of his nose. #trump

    — Mary Beth Williams (@embeedub) October 24, 2012

  • doctorjonesy

    And he probably wasn’t even trying to come across as a wannabe super-villain. The man’s a natural!

  • zmidponk

    Well, if Obama releases all the info Trump wants, I think it’s only fair that Trump releases any and all documentation he has, down to and including any and all private emails and memos, about his golfing venture in Aberdeenshire in Scotland.

    If you aren’t aware of it, there was a documentary recently shown on the BBC about it, called ‘You’ve Been Trumped’, which detailed insane levels of bullying tactics being brought against certain local residents who had houses which Trump would prefer not to see from the golf course, including having electricity and water supplies cut off by Trump’s workers and having the security people from Trump’s golf course constantly prowling around, aided and abetted by the Scottish Government apparently ignoring the fact that this course has basically destroyed a Special Site of Scientific Interest, which is the highest category of protected site in Britain, and some behaviour by the local police that, at best, is VERY dubious. In addition to that, even though the course is now opened, there is little evidence of the promised 6000 jobs that would benefit the local economy – instead, it looks like, so far, there has been an Irish contractor handling the construction, using it’s own people, and one job fair looking for 100 caddies and 50 miscellaneous other jobs. And that’s really about it.

    So, if Obama should feel under any obligation to release the documents Trump is referring to, then Trump should feel a similar obligation to release the documents I am referring to. In fact, given there is much more evidence of the allegations against Trump than there is of the allegations against Obama, Trump should feel under a much bigger obligation.

  • twincats

    I’m assuming Mr. Trump has already seen and approved more than two year’s worth of rMoney’s tax returns…

  • dogfightwithdogma

    “Hope he wasn’t the bitey kind that Sigourney Weaver found, but rather the nice kind that relieved us of Richard Dreyfuss.”

    Ouch. That one stung a little dingojack. I’m a Dreyfuss fan. Feel bad you apparently don’t like him.

    As for dumbass Trump we both can agree, I think, he is very unlikable and the type specimen that illustrates the meaning of moron.

  • jesse

    @everyone

    THanks folks, I was just thinking that the whole problem with the whole birter theory was that even if they were absolutely correct that he was born outside the US it wouldn’t matter.

  • dingojack

    Looks like Donald Gump has well and truly exceeded the limit of credibility.

    “You’re gonna need a bigger boat!”

    :) Dingo

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    For you dogfightwithdogma.