Old French Bigot Kills Himself at Notre Dame

He was probably terrified that France would change for the better and didn’t want to live to see that.

Notre Dame was one of my least favorite parts of my trip to France. The entire Ille De Cite is nothing but a tourist trap and inside the church it’s like one of those creepy religious supply stores except it smells like an old parking garage.

But, the Gypsies were entertaining. I actually gave one 5 euro’s to both take the curse off me and also to give me her sign telling me I was cursed and that I had to pay her 5 euros to have the curse removed.

Ed, the last sentence is borked. I think you meant “But his dramatic suicide won’t do anything to change the reality that he opposed human rights and equality.

I’m certainly not going to be mourning his passing. Nonetheless, what a waste of a life.

So there you go. But guess what? It isn’t going to stop all the things you don’t like from happening.

That’s an unfounded and dangerous assumption to make, Ed. You simply do not know whether the valiant sacrifice of this courageous moral man will have the effect you assert. In fact, this act of martyrdom may well have made an enduring and positive contribution. Even if the effect is small, it may still be effective.

We simply will not know how enduring and positive that contribution and others made in future will be until these are more data points. I, for one, applaud the this selfless act of moral rectitude by Dominique Venner, and I will staunchly defend the right of any and all far right-wing, nationalistic assholes patriots who are serious about their anti-gay convictions to make similar contributions for the benefit of generations to come.

I’m sure Venner’s writings and activism in life were on occasion loathsome and worthy of contempt.

His final deed is pitiable (although surely awful for Notre Dame & any visitors – both devout and tourists).

I think he’ll find the French origin, at least of the latest republic is:

“Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite” Which should clearly preclude banning people from having the liberty to marry the person they love? Mon dieu, but he was stupid.

How tragic and pathetic do you have to be to take your own life in futile protest over other people gaining the right to be happier? I feel for his family.

How long until some new version of Ratzi the Nazi comes along to name this guy a sainted martyr of the church, killed by ravening homersekshuls?

@9: Just as long as they make it a solo act. No suicide vests filled with explosives, please.

Artor – That maybe so, but it didn’t ease the mind of Robert I the Bruce (1274-1329).

Dingo

I will add that in recent weeks, two unemployed workers have publicly committed suicide in protest of France’s economic conditions. Venner had to up the ante to draw attention: doing it in Notre-Dame in front of 1,500 tourists helps.

Oy, blockquote fail. Here’s how it ought to be:

I’ve been skimming through French articles about this guy and keep finding interesting tidbits. For instance: although Venner said in his last letter that Notre-Dame was a symbol that he “respected and admired”, he was not a Christian, but rather a pagan of the Neo-Nazi variety. Here’s a paragraph from an article in Le Monde (my clumsy translation):

Just recently, he explained that “Christianity was not a religion of identity, but universalist.” Which, in his view, didn’t pose a problem as long as Europeans dominated the world. “Since the second half of the 20th century,” he added, “they are dominated. In these trials, a universal religion gives them no collective aid.”

Venner was all about defending “The West” against inferior races and civilizations, and was relentlessly, fervently anti-immigrant. He said that each people should flourish where it originated and stay there. In recent weeks, although participating in anti-marriage protests, he kept trying to remind people that immigration was the REAL problem.

Doesn’t Catholic doctrine state that suicides go to hell?

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One more example of how the teachings of the abrahamic religions harm their follower’s life.

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How long until some new version of Ratzi the Nazi comes along to name this guy a sainted martyr of the church,

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it also teaches that if you die in church, that’s a free ticket upstairs, disregarding whatever other balance there might be.

Dominique Venner was pagan…

Damn these prejudices religious nuts who jump to a conclusion without looking it up [/sarcasm]

“No suicide vests filled with explosives, please.”

Well, only if he promises to leave the remote with us while he attends his “Shuffling off” party with his other hateszgruppe pals.

This is the same chap who used to believe that the French belong in Algeria but not the other way around

He’s not alone: my mother once told me that, in her youth, she had been staunchly pr-French Algeria, until one day when she assisted to a reunion of nostalgic of the colonial empire. Basically, what most people present wanted was to use France’s nuclear stockpile to genocide the algerian population and repopulate the country with settlers once the radiation level had fallen: this was what people from the french far-right were saying during the early 60s when they believed themselves in front of a friendly audience.

Suffice t say, it was enough to turn my mother from strongly pro-french Algeria to pro-algerian independance in less than three minutes. But this story is for me a personal reminder of the disgusting urges which drive the self-proclaimed “über-patriots”.

That’s an unfounded and dangerous assumption to make, Ed.

just for you, ginger…

It’s the Judean People’s Front!

He said that each people should flourish where it originated and stay there.

so we should all be living in Africa.

Isn’t France a melange of peoples and immigrants from over the centuries? And isn’t the very concept of “France” itself somewhat modern (helped along by a centralizing Etat) and France consists of dozens of dukedoms, counties, principalities, etc?