Cue the Wingnut Freakout Over the Boy Scouts

As I’m sure you’ve heard by now, the executive board of the Boy Scouts of America voted by a more than 20-point margin to allow openly gay teenagers to join the Scouts. Unfortunately, once they hit adulthood they’ll then be banned once again, which is the real problem with the new policy. But the Christian right bigots are predictably freaking out about it. A few choice reactions:

erickson2

Uh, Erick…your kids are going to meet gay people, no matter how much that bothers you. And the sentiment you just expressed are identical to what racists said about desegregation of public accommodations, that if they had to actually be around black people they weren’t going to go at all. If you have even a tiny bit of shame left in you — and given that you’re the guy who called Justice Souter a “pig-fucking child molester,” that’s highly doubtful — you’re going to be damn embarrassed about this later.

BSAbs1

Congressman, you do realize that the BSA board voted to make this change, right? This private organization made a private choice to do so. No one forced them.

BSAbs2

Lawsuit? What lawsuit? This wasn’t prompted by a lawsuit. The Supreme Court ruled more than 20 years ago that the Boy Scouts could discriminate if they wanted to do so. They’ve now chosen to stop doing so (a little bit, at least).

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  • matty1

    “I’d rather start my own group than bitch and moan about what a private group does”

    So why don’t you?

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    I may be mistaken but I think I heard somewhere that from now on, there will be no more Eagle Scouts. Eagle Scouts are way too butch! From now on, it will be Peacock Scouts (they have much prettier feathers).

  • raven

    “I’d rather start my own group than bitch and moan about what a private group does”

    1. That is what people have been doing. It is one reason why the BSA is steadily losing membership for a decade or two.

    2. When the BSA ignored their own rules and refused to charter Wiccan troops, they formed their own Spiral Scouts. Which BTW, does admit atheists.

    3. This membership drop is a problem The BSA has a huge amount of buildings, summer camps, and other real estate. While it is tax free, it does require maintenance. It’s a large fixed cost.

    The girl scouts, also losing membership, are having to consolidate and sell off some of their summer camps.

  • raven

    “I’d rather start my own group than bitch and moan about what a private group does”

    The one advantage of the BSA seemed to be their large number of summer camps, many in scenic mountain and beachside areas. And some of which seemed to be on land leased from the government.

    It was going to be hard to replace.

    Or so I thought.

    I’ve since learned that there are huge numbers of specialized summer camps and programs on the west coast. Computer camp, music camp, kayak camp, fishing camp, Pagan camps, Wiccan camps, sports camps, and so on. For all I know they have Followers of the Greatful Dead camps and Rap music camps. They do have atheistic camps as well, i.e. Camp Quest.

    This has cut into the BSA and Girl Scouts market share a lot.

    “I’d rather start my own group than bitch and moan about what a private group does”

    Not a problem.

    The Kristian Knights of the Ku Klux Klan sounds like a catchy name. Jesus Camp already exists. How about Jihad for Jesus camps where they make their own suicide bomber vests.

  • Abdul Alhazred

    Unfortunately, once they hit adulthood they’ll then be banned once again, which is the real problem with the new policy.

    I give it a year or so.

    Time for a gay Eagle Scout to graduate and then become a scoutmaster.

  • Pierce R. Butler

    Um, Erick, a statement using the adverb “honestly” too much usually can’t be (honestly) described with that word.

  • Synfandel

    What’s the Girl Scouts’ policy? I’m surprised this is being discussed only in the Boy Scouts.

  • raven

    We learned one thing.

    As much as the xians hate gays, they hate atheists more!!!

    The BSA still prohibits atheists from joining. They’ve fixed part of their problem but not all of it.

    AFAICT, on their hate list, atheists are at the very bottom. The No Religions run around 70 million people and growing rapidly. At least they picked a huge demographic to discriminate against.

    Cthulhu knows when that will change. If the xians in the leadership can’t hate and discriminate against at least someone, whatever would they do for thoughts? Might as well become a Pagan or normal person.

  • raven

    What’s the Girl Scouts’ policy? I’m surprised this is being discussed only in the Boy Scouts.

    IIRC, the Girl Scouts don’t discriminate against atheists or gays.

    No discrimination = no problem.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Synfandel “What’s the Girl Scouts’ policy? I’m surprised this is being discussed only in the Boy Scouts.”

    The Girl Scouts’ policy is that they have cookies. Now shut up and eat your cookies. And also buy more cookies. See if they have any thin mints.*

     

    * Actually, their policy is that they have no policy. But the cookie thing is true too.

  • Synfandel

    @raven #9:

    IIRC, the Girl Scouts don’t discriminate against atheists or gays.

    So then how to the Girl Scouts deal with the orgy of homosexual child abuse that inevitably accompanies that policy?

  • dickspringer

    From the BSA website:

    “Boy Scouts of America believes that no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing an obligation to God. Accordingly, youth members and adult volunteer leaders of Boy Scouts of America obligate themselves to do their duty to God and be reverent as embodied in the Scout Oath and the Scout Law. Leaders also must subscribe to the Declaration of Religious Principle. Because of its views concerning the duty to God, Boy Scouts of America believes that an atheist or agnostic is not an appropriate role model of the Scout Oath and Law for adolescent boys. Because of Scouting’s methods and beliefs, Scouting does not accept atheists and agnostics as members or adult volunteer leaders. Note that this isn’t in any way qualified, this is not a local policy, this is a single national policy that applies to all members, all units, all Districts, all Councils, everywhere.”

    Girl Scouts of the USA voted overwhelmingly in 1993 to allow its members to substitute another word or phrase for God in it’s oath. B. LaRae Orullian, the Girl Scouts’ president had said at the time that the change was “a very strong statement that Girl Scouts continue to be on the cutting edge, and this is a continuing effort to show that we have strength in diversity and that we are an inclusive organization.”

  • dingojack

    “Because of Scouting’s methods and beliefs, Scouting does not accept atheists and agnostics as members or adult volunteer leaders.”

    Nice of the BSA to tell every other scout in the world what the policy is vis-a-vis lack (or doubt) in religion.

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    Dingo

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Now look, dingojack, the BSA require a belief in God because without it, you can’t be a moral person. That’s just common sense. So they have to have this policy preventing immoral people from joining. If they let in the non-believers, it could only lead to bad things, like gambling, prostitution and non-standard s’mores.

  • dingojack

    And yet they let me in – and see what happened to the BSA! (OK half a world away and more than 30 years ago, but god moves very slowly and mysteriously but exceedingly fine, or sumptin’)

    😉 Dingo

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    “…the Boy Scouts will be unable to say no to a gay eagle scout who turns eighteen and applies to be a scoutmaster…The Scouts will not be able to argue coherently that a seventeen-year old gay scout is ok, but an eighteen year old gay scoutmaster is not. And they will be producing a steady stream of quite sympathetic upstanding young openly gay men who simply wish to continue to serve, who are being unceremoniously booted once they turn eighteen simply because of their sexual orientation.” ~ Egnorance

    I won’t spoil what side he comes down on even after the above.

  • http://dododreams.blogspot.com/ John Pieret

    Bryan Fischer could not be far behind:

    BSA now stands for Boy Sodomizers of America, because that’s what will happen. Mark my words.

    It’s already a little late for that.

  • JustaTech

    As a reminder, the Girl Scouts of America (and the world-wide Girl Scouts and Girl Guides) are not associated or affliated with the Boy Scouts. The Girl Scouts have cookies and inclusion, the Boy Scouts have pinewood derby and assholes.

    One of my best friends was pulled out of the Girl Scouts when they allowed the change in the oath. Her dad decided the GSA was evil (or something).

  • Randomfactor

    If it causes folks like Erickson to keep his kids out (presumably they agree with him on the issue at least publicly) then the new policy can’t help but improve the BSA, methinks.

    Too bad about the kids themselves, though. As someone noted, there’s always the Klan.

  • Uriel238 .

    From Synfandel

    So then how to the Girl Scouts deal with the orgy of homosexual child abuse that inevitably accompanies that policy?

    Not sure if Poe.

    Sex abuse in the Boy Scouts of America has been severe enough to warrant its own wikipedia page all of which (so far) too place while their anti-gay, anti-atheist discrimination policies were in place. In contrast there are no incidents mentioned at all on wikipedia, or that I could find searching on Google. Of course, it might be a vast conspiracy of scholars and journalists to keep the pedo-lez girl scout sex ring under wraps.

  • weldonribeye

    BSA may want to spend a little more time scrutinizing leader applications. Below the statement of religious principle I scrawled “That’s Bullshit” and never got questioned on it. Oh, the advantages of lousy handwriting.

  • http://www.facebook.com/den.wilson d.c.wilson

    BSA now stands for Boy Sodomizers of America, because that’s what will happen. Mark my words.

    Imagine if these wingnuts had this much outrage towards institutions that have a long history of “boy sodomizers” being shuffled around from one location to another in order to keep their activities quiet.

  • David Hedrick

    The hilarious thing about this is that all of the gays, lesbians, and liberals protesting would never put their sons in Boy Scouts. One person post there were no threats. Right except all the Gays protested the companies that donated to the Boy Scouts. I’m sure none of you know this, but one of the Boy Scout laws os to be morally straight and being Gay is definitely apart of that or being an atheists. If you don’t like it then don’t join it. Same reason I would never become a Democrat

  • dingojack

    David – you’d never join the Democratic Party because you’re immoral and gay?

    😉 Dingo

  • Erp

    The Girl Scouts of the USA and the Boy Scout of America don’t have any official connection though they do have some odd joint trademark on the word ‘Scout’ in the US. They do both come out of the Scouting movement started by Lord Baden-Powell and are affiliated each with one of the two world organizations he set up (one for boys and one for girls though the first now has a lot of mixed sex groups and some national groups belong to both international organizations). The various national organizations range from very progressive to very conservative (think the Saudi Arabian Boy Scouts Association). Most in the western world have no problems with gays or lesbians. Atheists tend to be a bit trickier but many have or are considering judicious rewording of their promise. The Australian Guides have “to be true to myself and develop my beliefs” (and also another bit to drop a reference to the queen in duty to country which had kept staunch republicans out). Canadian Guides have “to be true to myself, my beliefs and Canada.” Again dropping explicit mention of God and Queen. Both the British Scouting Association and the UK Girl Guides are in the midst of possible rewording of their promises (and unlike the BSA they asked their youth for their opinions [the BSA only asked parents and adult members about their policy on gays]).

  • dan4

    @22: So an atheist can’t be “morally straight” (i.e. an atheist can’t be moral)? Wrong, wrong, wrong.

  • dan4

    …and what’s with the weird grammar and spelling in your third-to-last-sentence?

  • Uriel238 .

    The hilarious thing about this is that all of the gays, lesbians, and liberals protesting would never put their sons in Boy Scouts. One person post there were no threats.

    Lessee, south park’s episode Cripple Fight featuring Big Gay Al thrown out of the Mountain Scouts (an obvious expy) was in 2001, so awareness of the BSA’s anti-gay, anti-atheist position was already well known by then. So the lack of liberal- and gay-family representation in the BSA might be because, oh, we don’t want to put our kids somewhere where they’re going to get mercilessly marginalized.

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    Maybe if the BSA had a more open, tolerant and inclusive policy, we’d see more people who wanted their children to be open, tolerant and inclusive in them. That is the case in the GSA.

    .

    I’m sure none of you know this, but one of the Boy Scout laws [is] to be morally straight, and being Gay is definitely [apart from or not a part of] that [as is] being an [atheist].

    Ex-cub-scout over here.

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    So you are saying one who is sexually gay cannot be morally straight?

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    So you are saying one who is atheist cannot be morally straight?

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    Maybe the problem is what you define as morality. e.g. being someone who is exactly like you.

    If you don’t like it then don’t join it.

    In a perfect instantly-reactionary capitalist market that would be suitable, and the BSA wouldn’t have a trademark on “scouts” and wouldn’t get a lot of privilege for being a US endorsed organization. It’s been losing its corporate sponsorship (and gaining others). Not so much in the losing government endorsement.

    .

    We’d also prefer that the likes of you stay our of our abortion and gay marriage rights: just don’t have one, if they’re not right for you. Deal?

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    PS: To the moderator, why is my last post (#244758, between #19 and #20) still awaiting moderation?

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Uriel238 “So the lack of liberal- and gay-family representation in the BSA might be because, oh, we don’t want to put our kids somewhere where they’re going to get mercilessly marginalized.”

    OKAY LETS COMPROMISE. YOU GIVE HALF AND US REAL AMERICANS WILL GIVE UP HALF. SO INSTEAD OF MERCILESSLY MARGINALIZED WELL SETTLE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE ON MARGINALIZED.

    WHAT YOURE STILL NOT HAPPY? TYPICAL LIBERALS!

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    @10;

    Thin Mints are a scam. I eat a ton of them, I get FATTER!

    @20:

    “Imagine if these wingnuts had this much outrage towards institutions that have a long history of “boy sodomizers” being shuffled around from one location to another in order to keep their activities quiet.”

    But, but…if they did that then they wouldn’t get the Majik KKKracKKKer and they can’t haz teh HEAVEN!

    “Same reason I would never become a Democrat

    Thanks, Davy; now, FUCK OFF!

  • Thumper; Atheist mate

    @David Hendrick

    I’m sure none of you know this, but one of the Boy Scout laws os to be morally straight and being Gay is definitely apart of that or being an atheists.

    I will do my best never to become an atheists. Sounds painful.

  • Uriel238 .

    [ALL CAPS] okay lets compromise. you give half and us real americans will give up half. so instead of mercilessly marginalized well settle right in the middle on marginalized.

    I’ve yet to actually decipher your alleged compromise above. But I’m pretty sure you don’t know what merciful means. But I’m pretty sure you don’t know what liberal means either.

    [ALL CAPS] what you’re still not happy? typical liberals!

    Well, thank you for yet again reinforcing the prejudices I already have regarding what I can expect in contributions to the dialog from conservatives, which is to say rage and vitriol.

    .

    I expect that you regard political positions that are not your own the same way that you regard sports teams rival to your own: they’re the enemy and must be destroyed. No consideration of what the positions actually mean; no consideration of actual consequences; just we’re right and they’re wrong and off to war we go.

    .

    I only hope that when you finally detonate there’s no-one around to absorb the shrapnel.

  • raven

    David the near illiterate troll:

    I’m sure none of you know this, but one of the Boy Scout laws os to be morally straight and being Gay is definitely apart of that or being an atheists.

    Oh really?

    Well, you are wrong.

    You can be a good person and be a xian. It’s just a lot harder. You didn’t make it.

    If you don’t like it then don’t join it.

    People have been not joining the Boy Scouts for a few decades now. Their membership is declining as well as their intake of loot and their tax advantages are at risk.

    Now they let gays in. They let pagans and other nonxians in. One day they will let atheists in.

    If you don’t like, don’t join it. Bigots like you are slowly on the way out.

    Same reason I would never become a Democrat.

    I know the feeling. Thanks to people like you, I’m an ex-xian.

  • Rip Steakface

    @31 Uriel

    Poe’s Law strikes again! Modusoperandi is a satirist, Uriel. He was joking.

  • Uriel238 .

    Poe’s Law strikes again! Modusoperandi is a satirist, Uriel. He was joking.

    Oh. Oops. Well, that’s actually a relief. All due apologies.

    .

    I do wonder if David Hedrick’s claim that he never would become a democrat is due to a sense of loyalty rather than because the GOP actually represents his self-interests in their platform. Maybe he is a rich, white, anti-pluralist, Christian Reconstructionist in the top economic one-percent, but I don’t think that’s likely.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Uriel238 if anything. I should be the one to apologize. I’ve gotten too good at it.