O’Reilly and Corolla on Gender Roles

Oh boy, Bill O’Reilly and the painfully unfunny Adam Corolla had themselves a little stupidity festival over the school in Wisconsin having a “gender bender” day during school spirit week. And this exchange reveals pretty much everything that is wrong about pseudo-macho men and their views of simplistic gender roles:

O’REILLY: You know why they’re doing this, though, right?

CAROLLA: Why?

O’REILLY: Well, it’s all about anti-bullying and putting the children in other people’s positions so they don’t make fun of girls and boys. It’s a politically correct tactic that’s far too sophisticated for the children to understand and that’s why it’s stupid, and that’s why these educators are pinheads.

Or you could actually have bothered to read the articles about it and you’d know that it wasn’t the administration that did this, it was the student council that came up with different dress up days for spirit week. But that would mean you’d have to actually deal with facts and that’s something you don’t handle well.

O’REILLY: Because while they may have a noble intent, they have no idea how children process things. You don’t dress up like a little girl when you’re five and you’re a boy. That’s just stupid. Go ahead.

CAROLLA: Putting a boy in a poodle skirt and saddle shoes-

O’REILLY: Yeah, I mean it’s insane.

CAROLLA: Is bullying. I mean, listen, I have a six-year-old son, I have twins. He had to ride in his sister’s pink car seat the other day for a mile and he screamed like a stuck pig the entire time.

O’REILLY: That’s a good sign. That’s a good sign because, if he had liked that, you might have to send him to camp.

If your six year old son freaked out over riding in a pink car seat, you’re pretty much fucking him up as a parent. I feel bad for that poor kid.

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  • cswella

    Took a road trip with my dad recently, he put on the audiobook of Adam Corolla’s book because he loves the guy and wants me to listen to it. I remember smiling at a few parts, but I spent most of it trying to drown him out by talking to myself in my head.

    So glad “The Man Show” is no longer in production…

  • Skip White

    CAROLLA: Putting a boy in a poodle skirt and saddle shoes-

    So what would the girl wear to the sock-hop, jeans, a white t-shirt with a pack of cigarettes rolled in the sleeve and greased-back hair?

  • matty1

    Ok I haven’t followed this closely enough but I have a few questions.

    Are we talking about six year olds? The fact there is a student council suggests to me an older age group able to understand things like voting and representatives.

    Is anyone making kids cross dress, I thought from your previous post this was a voluntary thing?

    Is there any chance Mr O’Reilly is aware of the precedent for sending people to camps for being different?

  • Chiroptera

    O’REILLY: That’s a good sign. That’s a good sign because, if he had liked that, you might have to send him to camp.

    Whoa! Did anyone else find this really, really creepy?

  • http://howlandbolton.com richardelguru

    Any ideas why I can’t post??

  • Crip Dyke, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden

    @matty1 & Chiroptera

    Yeah. That stuff is completely out of line for anyone trying to communicate respect.

    But I don’t think O’Reilly respects anyone in his audience, so, y’know, mission accomplished, full steam ahead, & damn the metaphorical mixing!

  • leftwingfox

    Whoa! Did anyone else find this really, really creepy?

    Hell yes. Memories of pink triangles there…

    richardelguru: I can see you just fine. Perhaps clearing cookies and cache?

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    Is there any chance Mr O’Reilly is aware of the precedent for sending people to camps for being different?

    He’s very aware of it, and wholeheartedly approves.

    Oh, and if Carolla thinks it’s so important that boys never get close to the color pink, shouldn’t he have bought a more manly car-seat for his own boy? Or maybe two beige seats so it wouldn’t matter who gets which one? This guy may not be an abusive parent, but he sure as hell isn’t a very competent one.

  • http://rationalrant.blogspot.com/ sbh

    matty1: it was high school; it was something the student council came up with; participation was entirely voluntary; it was part of a week of events associated with a dance, which included gender-bender day alongside crazy hair day and the like. It has been several days since I read up on it so I may have details wrong.

  • Catrambi

    Wow. Does Bill-O ever actually go out in the real world and interact with the humanoids? I know a five year old boy who loves to dress up in dresses and other traditionally female clothing. Luckily, his parents aren’t the type to “send him to camp” as punishment.

  • John Pieret

    that’s far too sophisticated for US to understand and that’s why WE’RE stupid, and that’s why WE are pinheads.

    There, fixed it for you, Billo.

  • John Pieret

    richardelguru @ 5

    I was having problems too. I usually log in with WordPress or Facebook but when I did, my posts would not appear. But if I tried again, it told me I had already posted that. A Google account log in is working for me for the time being.

  • dugglebogey

    I disagree that Carolla is not funny, I listen to him almost every day and he definitely has skills in the comedy area.

    But politically he is very wrong headed, stemming from his lack of education and inability to read until he was in his 20s. He is wrong on nearly every issue, and the ones he’s correct on he’s just correct that there’s a problem and never offers a solution, as if “awareness” is the solution to all of life’s ills.

    For example his solution to traffic problems in LA is to use electronic traffic signs for something other than saying “click it or ticket.” Well yes, he’s correct that it’s a waste, but traffic signs aren’t a magic solution to all life’s problems.

    Or his racist claim that black fathers don’t stay with their families. Even if he’s right and that’s a problem of a particular race, how is that a solution? Forcing people to stay with their families? How would that work? Or his claim that Latinos don’t focus on education. In what way does saying that solve the problem in any real way?

    Corolla is funny, in that doing a “man’s perspective as satire for shows like Oprah” is funny and interesting. But as a political viewpoint, it’s extremely backwards and non-helpful.

  • eric

    I wouldn’t take Carolla’s claim at face value. There’s all sort of reason kids scream when they are put in car seats that have nothing to do with seat color. Tired, don’t want to leave, don’t like where they’re going, just being contrary…

    Though I admit, there’s something darkly amusing about O’Reilly saying people have no idea how children process things, then a few second later Carolla and he agreeing on how Carolla’s kid processed something.

  • http://howlandbolton.com richardelguru

    Until recently (beginning of the twentieth century) it was usual to put boys in dresses sometimes up the the age of eight and ‘Pink for a girl and blue for a boy’ wasn’t firmly established until well into the twentieth century!

  • http://howlandbolton.com richardelguru

    Oh and thanks John Pieret!!

  • matty1

    @15 Well maybe, this article seems to suggest there was no consensus on which colour was for which gender till after WWII, certainly some people thought pink was masculine but it doesn’t seem to have been as close to universal as the current ‘blue for a boy’ concept.

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    I wasn’t a fan of any television shows but I did see “The Man Show” a few times. I remember thinking:

    “WTF does Carolla have on Kimmel, that he’s still on the show?”. Now, compared to Bill O’Liarly, Carolla IS funny.

  • cjcolucci

    I used to think The Man Show was supposed to be ironic because there was nothing particularly manly about Adam Carolla; now I think I may have been over-thinking it. And there has never been anything especially manly about the loofah-falafel man.

  • slc1

    Ah yes, the tide goes in, the tide goes out, you can’t explain it Billo the clown O’Schmuckedy.

  • Randomfactor

    Is there any chance Mr O’Reilly is aware

    Doubt it, however that sentence is ended.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=730511544 billdaniels

    Corolla’s comment about poodle skirts and saddle shoes shows that his mind is still stuck in one of the ugliest parts of the 1950s.

  • dan4

    “If your six year old son freaked out over riding in a pink car seat, you’re pretty much fucking him up as a parent. I feel bad for the poor kid.”

    This reminds me of a Marlon Brando quote: “You can say something in a certain spirit with a smile, but when it appears in print, there’s no smile” (i.e. Carolla and O’Reilly might have been joking at that point…but a person can’t tell that just from just reading their words).

  • spamamander, internet amphibian

    The only issue I recall from having an “opposite sex day” during Homecoming week in high school was the fact that my then-boyfriend was 6’2″, and I was maybe 5’4″. Therefore his lack of knowing how to sit in my denim miniskirt was a problem, particularly when he kicked his feet up onto the table in the Biology classroom.

  • http://www.jafafahots.com Jafafa Hots

    Looking around for comedy podcasts, I listened to Carolla’s once.

    Once.

    Might have just as well listened to Limbaugh. The “jokes” were about as funny.

    Also heard him interviewed on the Marc Maron (a milder misogynist) podcast.

    He spent most of the time saying essentially that there is no such thing as discrimination because he had it rough as a kid, and he made it ok, so if YOU haven’t, it’s on you.

    Fits well on O’Reilly… the show that’s of, by, with and for people who don’t know jack shit but are convinced they know better than anyone.

  • http://www.jafafahots.com Jafafa Hots

    Corolla’s comment about poodle skirts and saddle shoes shows that his mind is still stuck in one of the ugliest parts of the 1950s.

    That’s the funny thing about a lot of conservatives these days – they’re stuck in the 1950s and they weren’t even BORN yet then. That’s not even conservative, that’s regressive.

  • nich

    I would tune into Loveline in my younger days. I had always had the impression that Corolla and Drew Pinsky were bleeding heart liberal types, but both of them have turned out to be total scuzzbags. Dr. Drew is just the worst. A person close to me subjected me to the fuckhead a few times during the Jodi Arias trial. It was disgusting. It made me physically uncomfortable to watch, like an Italian mondo film.

  • http://thebronzeblog.wordpress.com/ Bronze Dog

    I mean, listen, I have a six-year-old son, I have twins. He had to ride in his sister’s pink car seat the other day for a mile and he screamed like a stuck pig the entire time.

    Now we know who the wingnuts seek to emulate.