Joyner Prays for ‘Military Takeover’ and ‘Martial Law’

Wingnut preacher Rick Joyner tells his followers that President Obama is turning American into a “terrible tyranny” and that he is praying that God will raise up military leaders willing to overthrow him and impose martial law on the country.

“We’re headed for serious tyranny, a terrible tyranny right now,” he continued. “But guess what? The kingdom is coming, the Kingdom of God is coming. And America is not the Kingdom of God. I think we have been used in some wonderful and powerful ways by God, we’ve been one of the most generous nations in history. We’ve done so much good.”

“That’s why I appeal to the Lord: Don’t let us be totally destroyed, please raise up those who will save us. And as I’ve been telling friends for a long time, no election is going to get the right person in there because the system is so broken.”

Joyner added that the “only hope is a military takeover, martial law.”

“And that the most crucial element of that is who to the martial [sic] is going to be,” he said. “I believe there are noble leaders in our military that love the republic and love everything we stand for. And they could seize the government.”

Sounds a lot like treason, doesn’t it?

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  • kantalope

    I guess because a military takeover is going so swimmingly in Egypt?

  • mck9

    I believe the correct term is not “treason” but “sedition”.

  • raven

    …and that he is praying that God will raise up military leaders willing to overthrow him and impose martial law on the country.

    Keep explaining to me why this isn’t treason? It might not be, but it is so close as to not be much different.

    Then, explain why Joyner doesn’t hate America in general, and the US government in particular.

    Finally, explain how Obama is a dictator when he was elected by 9 million and 5 million more votes in two elections.

    PS Joyner, the New Apostle, claims to have superpowers given to him by the gods. Evidently they don’t include the ability to sound like a sane and worthwhile human being.

    PSS It used to be a felony to advocate the violent but not peaceful overthrow of the US government. I don’t know if that is still the case though.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Nothing protects people from tyranny like a military junta.

  • kantalope

    (whisper: raven, obama was not legitimately elected cause he’s all, you know, black —– and stuff)

    This part is just funny: ” there are noble leaders in our military that love the republic and love everything we stand for. And they could seize the government.” Cause nuthin says lovin your republic more than a military takeover of civilian authority….amirite, Julius Caesar…erm, excuse me,Emperor Caesar?

  • Mr Ed

    I remember the golden age of central and south america when the people were freed from their liberal elected governments by republic loving militaries.

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    raise up military leaders willing to overthrow him and impose martial law on the country.

    … who the wingnuts will immediately defeat with all their 2nd amendment-righted guns, one assumes?

  • cadrpear

    Only an unconstitutional military coup can save our Constitution from the president elected by the people’s electors in accordance with the Constitution.

  • cry4turtles

    The character in “Last of the Mohicans” that wanted everybody locked up for sedition would have a field day in modern times.

  • Chiroptera

    Um, how can the military save us from tyranny? If tyranny were possible, then wouldn’t it be because the military was in on it? If the military is opposed to it, then isn’t tyranny kind of impossible from the get-go? I mean, who would the military be opposing in preventing the tyranny? Are all the independent county sheriffs in the country going to try to impose Obama’s tyranny themselves?

  • busterggi

    “The kingdom is coming, the Kingdom of God is coming. ”

    And this isn’t tyranny? I didn’t vote for this god person.

  • eric

    If Joyner think’s it’s so good, how about he volunteer to be the test case. We’ll put him and his congregation under militarily-imposed martial law. For a year. With the caveat that any one of them can get out of it any time just by saying “this martial law thing is stupid.” At the end of the year, if his entire congregation is still happily living under martial law, we’ll consider expanding it.

    Ooooh, that’s right, these guys never think the authoritarianism they promote will apply to them, do they?

  • http://timgueguen.blogspot.com timgueguen

    Someone needs to get a look inside Joyner’s house and see if he has a lifesize portrait of Augusto Pinochet hanging on a wall.

  • Crip Dyke, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden

    @raven:

    Advocating the violent overthrow of the US government is speech protected by the US constitution (from certain types of government action, especially criminalizing such speech or prior restraint of such speech) unless and until there is a clear and present danger of immediate unlawful action. This has been true since 1969. On the other hand, the fact that the government cannot take action against you directly does not prohibit the US from making decisions that take such advocacy into account, e.g. in the issuing of security clearances.

    This is part of why the murder of Anwar al-Awlaki (and the even more shocking case of his son) is so controversial among people who know the law best: law professors. How is it that it is illegal to prosecute such speech in a court of law, and federal government’s taking of life requires “due process of law”, but it is legal to simply fire a missile at the poor sap who makes the case that al Qaeda is engaging in self-defense b/c the US’s actions in Muslim-majority countries constitutes an initial attack (by, say, it’s overthrow of the Mossadegh government & installing the Shah with his violent Savak in its place)?

    So, this is certainly advocating betrayal of the US, and a violent betrayal at that. It is just as certain that advocacy of such violent betrayal is protected to a large extent by Brandenburg.

    The current questions that flow from this are

    1) does Brandenburg have any meaning today, when the executive asserts the right to kill without trial or even indictment

    2) will the executive ever publicly assert that this right to kill applies to non-muslims?

    3) if it never so asserts, will we apply Brandenburg’s protections to non-muslims in future cases?

    4) Will such a public assertion, should it happen, cause a public renegotiation of the expectations created by the 1st & 5th amendments?

    5) would the courts go along with such a public renegotiation, or would the overt bypassing of the courts anger the SCOTUS enough that it would reassert it’s now quiescent powers to push back against the executive on this issue?

    5th amendment states, in relevant part:

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; … nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;

  • John Pieret

    And as I’ve been telling friends for a long time, no election is going to get the right person in there because the system is so broken.”

    Translation: ‘More people vote for people I don’t like than who vote for people I like. Who let democracy in here?’

    Sounds a lot like treason, doesn’t it?

    Actually, it sounds more like idiotcy from a brain dead blowhard desperately looking for attention to me.

  • raven

    Shots fired outside Capital. Police say one 1 infury:

    WASHINGTON (AP) — A police officer was reported injured after gunshots at the U.S. Capitol, police said Thursday. They locked down the entire complex, at least temporarily derailing debate over how to end a government shutdown.

    The shooting unfolded after police chased a black car up Constitution Avenue toward the Capitol, said tourist Edmund Ofori-Attah, who walked toward the scene as the car stopped.

    “Then I heard the gunfire” and hit the ground, he said.

    Sen. Bob Casey, D-Pa., told reporters he was walking from the Capitol to the Senate Russell Office Building across the street when he noticed several police officers driving fast up Constitution Avenue on motorcycles. etc.

    Looks like god heard Joyner and the military is moving already!!!! (This is dark humor, it was a black car.)

    This just happened so there is no word on whether it was one of theirs or one of ours. Stay tuned and maybe they will catch whoever and then we will know.

  • raven

    Stephen Darksyde has more info (or rumors) on his FT Blogs blog.

    Apparently the target was the White house and the shooter was a woman with astonishingly enough, a kid in the car.

    Someone doesn’t like Obama very much for some reason.

  • smhll

    Translation: ‘More people vote for people I don’t like than who vote for people I like. Who let democracy in here?’

    I agree with your translation. But I also think it suggests he would strongly prefer his brand of tyranny to democracy.

  • eric

    Someone doesn’t like Obama very much for some reason.

    At this point I almost hope she’s got something biochemically wrong with her. I’d hate to think of a parent endangering their kid like that if there wasn’t something biologically broken in their brain.

  • magistramarla

    Kantalope @ #5

    “Cause nuthin says lovin your republic more than a military takeover of civilian authority….amirite, Julius Caesar…erm, excuse me,Emperor Caesar?”

    AAARGHHH – As I pounded into my student’s brains – Julius Caesar was never an emperor.

    His nephew, Augustus Caesar was crowned emperor after the bloody civil war that was begun after Julius Caesar’s murder. Julius Caesar was a legally elected consul at the time of his murder and had refused to be crowned a king.

    He did ride into Rome with his legions to back him up, but he did it in order to take his seat as consul, which a faction in the senate was trying to block.

  • bahrfeldt

    Julius Caesar had been declared Dictator (previously a narrowly defined, limited term, extreme emergency posting) in Perpetuity by the obedient Senate. When Augustus died in AD 14, his successors adopted that name, granted to him as a unique honor, as their title, effectively defining the emperor, along with the veto power and supposed personal sanctity of the Tribune, Father of the Country, head of the military and an established, compliant, bureaucracy.

    Notwithstanding, what part of the holy US Constitution does Joyner believe provides for military coups?

  • AsqJames

    The kingdom is coming, the Kingdom of God is coming.

    (snip)

    “I believe there are noble leaders in our military that love the republic”

    Surely anyone who so loves the “republic” would not be in favour of a “kingdom” of any sort?

  • Moggie

    How many people do you reckon the good preacher wants to see die in the course of this military coup?

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    magistramarla “AAARGHHH – As I pounded into my student’s brains – Julius Caesar was never an emperor.”

    Weirdest god damn phys-ed class I ever heard of.

  • exdrone

    The coup is on hold until Congress passes the continuing resolution. Please wait. Your indignation is important to us.

  • kantalope

    So my recollections of an 8am class after …1985….carry the two….a long time ago, was a little off — but I’m getting from bahrfeldt that while Julius wasn’t really the emperor he was dictator for life…a fine but important difference I am sure. For instance, Dictators for life got assigned the best parking spaces while Emperors could park their chariots wherever they liked. Dictator for Life; Emperor: Potato; Potentate, I say.

    What happened to partial credit?

    I am right in that the republic was dead? No more? Kaput with the electing and the leaving of office?

    If only we had someone with a strong and steady hand to settle these disputes with much violence – then we would have a system to believe in.

  • Rip Steakface

    @3

    Because treason is narrowly defined by the Constitution in Article III, Section 3.

    Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

  • dan4

    @27: Okay, then. How is this not “sedition?”

  • http://drx.typepad.com Dr X

    I guess that bible thingy about honoring the emperor is one of the many optional directives.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Dr X “I guess that bible thingy about honoring the emperor is one of the many optional directives.”

    God places leaders there to do good. If they don’t do good (or are from the Other Party), then rebellion is fine (even though it’s not in that passage, that last part is implied). This is what that NT passage means: “Rebel against bad leaders like Obama. Obey good leaders, like, holy shit, seriously? Nero”.

  • coffeehound

    So the only way god can figure a way out of this is a banana republic style coup?

    Hell, who needs a god with limited thinking like this?

  • caseloweraz

    Cadrpear: Only an unconstitutional military coup can save our Constitution from the president elected by the people’s electors in accordance with the Constitution.

    This makes me feel Chiles all over.

  • caseloweraz

    Eric: At this point I almost hope she’s got something biochemically wrong with her. I’d hate to think of a parent endangering their kid like that if there wasn’t something biologically broken in their brain.

    It’s pure speculation of course, but I think this was a woman in desperate circumstances made worse by the government shutdown, and she just snapped.

  • dingojack

    Treason doth never prosper, what’s the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it Treason.

    – John Harington

    (It just seemed appropriate somehow).

    Dingo

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    The woman who died in the D.C. shooting appears to have had a number of problems. At this point, nothing I’ve seen indicates that her being in the vicinity was anything to do with the shutdown. More will be coming out, I’m sure.

    IF she was ONLY mentally ill and not getting appropriate care BECAUSE she had no health insurance it might not get much play on FuckTheNew’sCorpse or ReiKKKwing Radio.

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    Damn.

    I should have added that if the woman did hate Obama, the fact that she was black will be the lead on every one of their fucking “news” stories.

  • Nick Gotts

    magistramarla@20,

    Well according to this source, Julius was proclaimed imperator, but it didn’t mean “emperor” in the modern monarchical sense, but was a title of honour given to successful generals, initially by vote of the army.