Rafael Cruz: Evolution is a Communist Lie

Ted Cruz’ father Rafael is finding more and more of his frequent idiotic statements being noticed and publicized. Here he is at a men’s prayer breakfast in Texas in June declaring that evolution is unscientific and is communist propaganda. Because that’s totally reasonable.

You know communism or socialism, whatever you want to call it, what is happening in this country is not different than what happened in Cuba; the procedure might be different, they may be a little slower, but it’s the same thing. It is about government control of your lives. You got to realize how Marxist, how socialism works. We need to understand the issues. When you hear all these things about homosexual marriage, this has nothing to do with homosexual rights. Did you know that? The whole objective is the destruction of the traditional family, it has nothing to do with homosexuals, they could care less about homosexuals, they want to destroy the family.

You need to understand, it’s just like evolution. You know most Americans have their head in the sand about evolution. I’ve met so many Christians that tell me ‘evolution is a scientific fact.’ Baloney! I am a scientist, there is nothing scientific about evolution. But you know something, Karl Marx said it, ‘I can use the teachings of Darwin to promote communism.’ Why? Because communism, or call it socialism if you think communism is too hard a word, necessitates for government to be your god and for government to be your god they need to destroy the concept of God. That’s why communism and evolution go hand and hand. Evolution is one of the strongest tools of Marxism because if they can convince you that you came from a monkey, it’s much easier to convince you that God does not exist. Looks good:

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  • pianoman, Heathen & Torontophile

    sooo…anyone in ted’s circle pulling him to the side to explain how his father will probably ruin things for him?

  • chilidog99

    You have to wonder about someone whose self esteem is so poor that it it threatened by the concept of evolution

  • Synfandel

    Karl Marx said it, ‘I can use the teachings of Darwin to promote communism.’

    Citation, please. I’ve read most of what Marx wrote and I don’t recall this one.

  • colnago80

    Apparently, Cruz pere is ignorant of the fact that Stalin rejected natural selection in favor of inheritance of acquired traits and sent evolutionary biologists like Vavilov to the gulag. He empowered the pseudo-scientist Lysenko, which led to mass starvation in the Ukraine. It would appear that Cruz is as whacky as E. W. Jackson.

  • http://www.thelosersleague.com theschwa

    He is a scientist? What kind, i wonder?

    I suspect he is to science what sandwich artists are to art.

  • alanb

    The only education that I can find for Mr. Cruz is that of chemical engineer. Presumably the distinction between scientist and engineer is no more important than the distinction between communism and socialism or between reality and fantasy.

  • http://howlandbolton.com richardelguru

    Must be because today is the centenary of Wallace’s death!

  • dugglebogey

    When someone says “These people are communists, and they want the government to run your life!” I’m always confused, because in communism there is no government, according to Karl Marx.

    It’s just like when people say “Obama is a socialist!’ or “Obamacare is socialized medicine!” These people don’t understand that words have ACTUAL meanings, and they are using them incorrectly.

    The nice thing is when the word “communist” or “socialist” comes out of their mouth, you can pretty much ignore anything they say after that, because it’s likely to be gibberish.

  • raven

    As already noted at 4, the Soviet communists rejected Darwin and Mendel for Lysenkoism, pseduoscience.

    1. A large number of Soviet biologists were sent to the Gulag and died. Vavilov, one of their greatest biologists died in prison, probably from starvation.

    2. This was an incredible mistake for them. The USSR never could feed its people very well and their agriculture never got modernized. At times, famines killed millions. This contributed a lot to their fall.

    Lysenkoism spread to Red China. With the same results except even more people died in famines.

    3. Peope say the commies killed millions. Which is true. Most were dead not of malice but incompetence. Lysenkoism was most of it.

    Lysenkoism is a good example of what happens when people deny reality for ideology. It’s the same as global warming denial, fundie xianity, the Tea Party, Ted Cruz, and Rafael Cruz.

  • dingojack

    “Mr. Cruz is ,,, [a],,,, chemical engineer”.

    ‘Well there’s yer problem’

    :) Dingo

  • Trebuchet

    Oh lord, another engineer.

    And someone needs to get Cruz and Ben Stein together and decide if evolution is Communist or Nazi. Oh wait, that’s right — it’s both, and they’re the same, and Obama….

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    “74 year old man complains about socialism”

    And I still haven’t figured out how gay marriage destroys non-gay families. How’s it supposed to do it, osmosis?

    Lastly, I didn’t come from no monkey. I came from my parents. They came from monkeys.

  • raven

    sooo…anyone in ted’s circle pulling him to the side to explain how his father will probably ruin things for him?

    Why would they? I’m sure Ted Cruz agrees with him 100%.

    Hate, fear, and lies sell and sell well. It’s the basis for the Tea Party.

    Oddly enough, they have yet to get to the point where their hate, fear, and lies costs them votes in Texas. Perry, Barton, the Cruz’s, Gohmert, etc.. can say anything they want, no matter how stupid or hate filled and their followers just cheer wildly.

    From my vantage point outside of Texas, it all looks like an insane asylum right now.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    raven “From my vantage point outside of Texas, it all looks like an insane asylum right now.”

    Now you’re just being ridiculous. What insane asylum would only have fencing and guards on its south side?

  • zero6ix

    He’s a great mouthpiece for the right. “I’m from CUBA! I KNOW what will happen when COMMUNISM comes to the good ol’ USA! I know because of CUBA! I was there a couple decades ago! BOOGEDY BOOGEDY BOO!”

  • Reginald Selkirk

    link

    Mr. Rafeal Cruz obtained his Bachelor of Science dcegree in Mathematics and Chemical Engineering from the University of Texas. He has completed graduate studies at several major universities in mathematical Statistics and Information Theory.

    Mr. Cruz has extensive experience in the digital processing of geophysical data, and contributed significantly in both the technical and management aspects of establishing seismic computer centres both in Canada and the United States. He is recognized internationally for his work in the design and implementation of information theory techniques that result in the enhancement of seismic data and that aid in the selection of optimum parameters for geophysical data processing.

    Salem conjecture.

  • Reginald Selkirk

    BTW, Deepak Chopra also touts himself as a “scientist.”

    Shermer and Harris pwn Chopra at Caltech

  • tbp1

    I know this is hardly a new complaint, but I am so sick and tired of people calling anything and everything they dislike “communist.” “Communism” has a fairly specific meaning, and it has nothing to do with evolution, or climate science, or vegetarianism, or same-sex marriage, or…

  • tbp1

    An engineer is not automatically a scientist, and often is not, but It appears he has actually done some usual research, so perhaps it is reasonable for him to call himself one. However, I wonder how he would feel about a biologist chiming in about his discipline, especially questioning its very validity?

  • dingojack

    Interestingly, I saw a piece on PBS Newshour about Chris Christie* and the Gubernatorial and Mayoral races. It seems that even the Republicans are now realising that if they don’t start fielding moderate candidates that can ‘reach across the aisle’** they’re looking at that ‘permanent majority’ thing becoming a reality – for the Democratic Party (well at least for the next few cycles anyway).

    Dingo

    ——-

    * Yes, he of the XXOS closet of skeletons.

    ** I’d say the death of Teabaggers, however, is somewhat exaggerated.

  • raven

    Ted Cruz Says the Government Shutdown is ‘God’s Will’ – Americans …

    aattp. org/ youre-hook-democrats-ted-cruz-says-government-shutdown-g…‎

    Oct 15, 2013 – According to Ted Cruz, we shouldn’t blame the Tea Party for the government shutdown, because it is the work of the Almighty. …

    There doesn’t seem to be any governor or evaluator with Ted Cruz and his father. They just say whatever sounds good at any time without worrying about whether it makes sense or has anything to do with reality.

    Ted Cruz has already claimed to be doing god’s work. God apparently wanted to shut down the US government, cause a Treasury bond default, and a worldwide recession. (Thanks god. What the fundie SKy Monster god would do, I guess).

    I’m sure we are going to here more of how Ted Cruz talks to god and is his modern prophet. It wouldn’t surprise me if Ted Cruz spends his weekends and vacation in heaven, playing golf with jesus and god. If you are going to grab someone else’s authority, might as well go for the top, the gods.

  • andusay

    Alright, enough of the stupid “engineers are not Scientists” trope. Engineers are Scientists, every bit as much as a Chemist or a Biologist. I am a Chemical Engineer and I am a Scientist in research.

    You guys need to keep in mind that Michael Behe has a Doctorate in Biology and Georgia Purdom has a doctorate in MicroBiology. These people have the Science degrees that you are not confused about and they are creationists to the core. Think Jason Lisle. Just because a person has a Science degree does not mean that their preconceived notions brainwashed into them during childhood are eliminated.

    I know Bruce Malone, a Chemical Engineer and Scientist who is also a crazy creationist and has compartmentalized his creationist mentality from his research capability. The same for this moron. Its not the degree, its the person.

  • dingojack

    Raven – “A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side” – Aristotle

    andusay – see Salem Hypothesis and Dunning-Kruger effect.

    Dingo

  • raven

    Alright, enough of the stupid “engineers are not Scientists” trope. Engineers are Scientists, every bit as much as a Chemist or a Biologist. I am a Chemical Engineer and I am a Scientist in research.

    Bullcrap. You are overstating your case by a huge amount.

    Engineers, MD’s, and computer programmers are not scientists just by having that training and those degrees.

    They can be though. There are engineers, MD’s, and programmers that are also scientists. But most aren’t.

    I am a Chemical Engineer and I am a Scientist in research.

    Big deal. A fair number of people including myself on FTB are…real scientists. Your self proclaimed but flawed authority on who is a scientist and who isn’t and $1.75 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

  • colnago80

    Re raven @ #24

    We might add mathematicians to the list of folks who are not necessarily scientists, although mathematicians have made contributions to many areas of science, mainly physics.

  • tbp1

    Alright, enough of the stupid “engineers are not Scientists” trope.

    I said engineers are not necessarily scientists, and I think that’s true. The same is true of physicians. Unless they are engaged in productive research, they are not actually scientists, no matter how much training in the sciences they have.

    Lots of engineers, and I would say most doctors, are basically highly trained technicians. This is not an insult. The work they do is demanding, often difficult, and certainly important, but it’s not research, and unless they also do research as well, they’re not scientists. I really don’t think I’m nitpicking by making this distinction. To the contrary, I think it’s an important one.

    If the reports above are accurate, I would say that Mr. Cruz is actually entitled to call himself a scientist, but it’s because he has done useful research, not because he’s an engineer per se. I do however, as I said, wonder how he would feel about biologists opining about his own specialty.

    I should mention that both my father-in-law and brother-in-law actually are engineers and scientists, so although it’s not my field, I am speaking with a certain amount of familiarity.

  • Reginald Selkirk

    andusay: Alright, enough of the stupid “engineers are not Scientists” trope…

    Take a chill pill and read up on the Salem conjecture. It’s a thing.

    I recall in grad school hearing one biology professor deride MDs as ‘bone mechanics.”

  • http://www.pandasthumb.org Area Man

    The salient point is that Sr. Cruz touted his scientific expertise as informing him that evolution is not a science. Let’s just say that his scientific authority is bunk in this case. “Chemical engineer who did some work on geophysical data-mining” is a meaningless credential when it comes to biology. That he fails to understand this indicates either ignorance or willful dishonesty. Also, he’s a nutcase.

  • http://www.pandasthumb.org Area Man

    You know communism or socialism, whatever you want to call it…

    You know, that vague, nondescript thing that we’re afraid of. That empty vessel into which we can pour all our derision and fear. That…whatever it is.

  • Doug Little

    what is happening in this country is not different than what happened in Cuba; the procedure might be different, they may be a little slower, but it’s the same thing.

    Holy Multiple Contradictions Batman!

  • Doug Little

    We need to understand the issues. When you hear all these things about homosexual marriage, this has nothing to do with homosexual rights. Did you know that? The whole objective is the destruction of the traditional family, it has nothing to do with homosexuals, they could care less about homosexuals, they want to destroy the family.

    WTF! Grandpa Simpson has escaped the home again. I’ll take incoherent babble for $200 Alex.

  • coffeehound

    @ 28,

    The salient point is that Sr. Cruz touted his scientific expertise as informing him that evolution is not a science. Let’s just say that his scientific authority is bunk in this case.

    Precisely. One need not split hairs over the nature of his education. If he is calling himself a scientist then he should be held to a standard that requires his objection to the TOE to be expressed based on its flaws and presumed failure as a theory. He should have no problem attacking the validity of its scientific merits.

    Raul?

    Raaaaauuuuuuul?

  • http://www.pandasthumb.org Area Man

    “We need to understand the issues.”

    It’s funny, but I’ve noticed that this phrase, or one very similar, seems to be an obligatory part of every wingnut screed, and you can almost always tell how inane and anti-reality it is by how many times or with how much emphasis this notion appears. Similar constructions include, “But people need to know this is going on”, “When you really start to look into things…”, and “I know it sounds strange, but it’s true”.

    The author is basically saying that the words coming from his mouth are stupid and nonsensical, but nevertheless, this is how everyone needs to start interpreting the universe.

  • http://aceofsevens.wordpress.com Ace of Sevens

    Who are they? I’m curious who this shadowy group that’s duping hapless gays into destroying the family is.

  • Ichthyic

    What insane asylum would only have fencing and guards on its south side?

    they’re working on fixing that!

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/u-s-mulls-canadian-border-fence-1.1084326

  • Ichthyic

    Its not the degree, its the person.

    if you look at the range of creationists claiming to be scientists, the vast majority of them ARE engineers.

    rather than spending time yelling at people who note the pattern, maybe you might want to spend time figuring out why it is that creationists seem to gravitate towards engineering as a profession?

  • CONWAY

    Hey, everybody! It’s a scientist vs engineer fight! I’ll make popcorn.

  • sailor1031

    Cruz is correct on a personal level. There is no evidence of evolution in his case.

  • Ichthyic

    Hey, everybody! It’s a scientist vs engineer fight! I’ll make popcorn.

    good luck with that.

    I agree with him that engineers get a bad rap as “not scientists”, what I’m stressing is that the creationism-engineering link is not just imaginary.

  • http://www.pandasthumb.org Area Man

    The simplest explanation for the Salem hypothesis, which I think Salem himself put forth, is that 1) there are significantly more engineers than there are biologists or other straight-up scientists, and 2) creationists love to tout their credentials however dubious the relevance. You put those together and it looks like there are a lot of creationist engineers. But it’s not necessarily the case that engineering somehow makes one a creationist.

  • dingojack

    “1) there are significantly more engineers than there are biologists or other straight-up scientists…”

    Citations required.

    “2) creationists love to tout their credentials however dubious the relevance. You put those together and it looks like there are a lot of creationist engineers.”.

    So are engineers equally represented in both populations, it’s just that non-creationist engineers are mutes? Is there any evidence of this hypothesis?

    “But it’s not necessarily the case that engineering somehow makes one a creationist.”

    And smoking 6 packets of cigarettes a day doesn’t necessarily mean you’re going to get cancer…

    Dingo

  • matty1

    “1) there are significantly more engineers than there are biologists or other straight-up scientists…”

    Citations required.

    UK only but here goes

    http://www.engc.org.uk/ecukdocuments/internet/document%20library/Engineering%20UK%202011.pdf

    Page 40 average of 5.9 million workers employed in the engineering sector.

    Citation on scientists to follow to avoid too many links in one comment

  • matty1

    Total academic staff employed in UK higher education in 2010/11 were 181,385.

    http://www.hesa.ac.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1898&Itemid=239

    Note that this is a figure for all academics, the number researching or teaching biology will obviously be a subset of that but even if we assumed every academic is a biologist 181,385 is still less than 590,0000.

    These are very rough figures and don’t directly answer the question of how many people call themselves engineers vs how many call themselves biologists but they do tentatively support Area Man’s claim that there are more engineers.

  • Thumper; Immorally Inferior Sergeant Major in the Grand Gynarchy Mangina Corps (GGMC)

    You know communism or socialism, whatever you want to call it…

    Two different things, but hey-ho.