Nelson Mandela Dies, Conservatives Play Pretend

Nelson Mandela, perhaps the single most important and transformative figure of the last few decades on the world stage, has died at the age of 95. Now we will inevitably hear from conservatives in the United States how much they adored him as they pretend they didn’t do everything they could to support apartheid and thwart equality in South Africa. CBN News says:

Nelson Mandela, who became one of the world’s most beloved statesmen and a colossus of the 20th century when he emerged from 27 years in prison to negotiate an end to white minority rule in South Africa, has died. He was 95.

South African President Jacob Zuma made the announcement at a news conference late Thursday, saying “we’ve lost our greatest son.”

His death closed the final chapter in South Africa’s struggle to cast off apartheid, leaving the world with indelible memories of a man of astonishing grace and good humor.

Funny, that isn’t what the owner and founder of CBN, Pat Robertson, was saying when it actually mattered.

David John Marley notes in Pat Robertson: An American Life that Robertson criticized the ANC because it was “led by communists and was hostile to Israel” and “far too radical an element to ever work with,” while “his campaign literature made similar claims for the need to support the white government.”

The televangelist regularly spoke ill of Mandela’s group and his Christian Broadcasting Network ran segments critical of sanctions against the apartheid government as Congress debated sanctions.

In 1986 The 700 Club did a series of reports on South Africa and the white government’s struggle against the African National Congress. While many socially liberal religious leaders decried the apartheid regime, Robertson openly supported it because he felt that it was a bastion against communism. For Robertson, everything else was secondary to defeating what he saw as the enemies of God. Robertson sent a copy of The 700 Club program to Freedom Council’s Dick Thompson to have it forwarded to Pat Buchanan, who in turn promised to show it to the president. Reagan’s attitude toward South Africa was one of his most controversial foreign policy stands, and Robertson was one of Reagan’s few allies on the policy.

When it actually mattered, Mandela was a communist who must be stopped. Once he became perhaps the most popular figure in the entire world, suddenly Robertson loved Mandela. How convenient for him. And he’s hardly alone. The American right was in the tank for the white minority apartheid government of South Africa for decades. This is the longstanding pattern of conservatives, especially religious conservatives. With every great leap in human rights — ending slavery, giving women and blacks the right to vote, ending segregation, allowing interracial marriage and now equality for gays and lesbians — the religious right is bitterly opposed to the change. Then, after society has left their old views behind, they suddenly pretend they never had them.

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  • gmacs

    Better than the Drudgers who are still calling Mandela a terrorist.

    Look at some comments sections around the web, and you’ll see hordes of people who think that Apartheid was the greatest thing ever to happen to the continent, Mandela was a murderer, and the white Afrikaner police did not kill 69 peaceful protesters.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000654117017 sheldonbaker

    Yep, just caught part of it, but heard Glenn Beck singing his praises this morning.

  • http://onhandcomments.blogspot.com/ left0ver1under

    It brings new meaning to the term “whitewashing”, with all the white, right and uptight fascist-friendly crowd trying to rewrite their own histories.

    If Falwell were still alive he’d be doing the same thing, and glossing over his own trip to South Africa in support of the racist regime and character assassination of anti-Apartheid leaders (not to mention his own church’s exclusion of blacks for a long time).

    http://www.nytimes.com/1985/08/21/world/falwell-denounces-tutu-as-a-phony.html

  • steve84

    And Saint Reagan vetoed a bill to place sanctions on SA.

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    Meantime PattycranKKK Robertson was in bed with the likes Charles Taylor, cuz nothin’ sez, “I LOVES me some JESUS!”, like blood diamonds.

  • jeroenmetselaar
  • robnyny
  • Bicarbonate

    Many are reporting Mandela was on the U.S. terrorist list until 2008.

  • alanb

    If anybody wishes to have their brains assaulted here are the charming comments at Free Republic.

  • sundoga

    Hardly surprising if he was. Mandela supported the Armed Struggle and almost certainly either helped or was responsible for it’s beginning before he was jailed, something he never apologised for or regretted to my knowlege.

    But then, why should he? Had I been in the same situation, I would have gone to military force and terrorism much earlier than the ANC did. Force is not necessarily wrong, and sometimes violence really is the answer. Without the Armed Struggle I doubt the white government in South Africa would have ever capitulated.

  • http://www.gregory-gadow.net Gregory in Seattle

    @Bicarbonate #8 – That may actually be the case: he was one of the founders of Umkhonto we Sizwe (abbreviated as MK, translated as “Spear of the Nation”), the militant arm of the African National Congress. The apartheid government of South Africa described MK as a terrorist organization and many governments friendly to SA, including the USA, followed suit.

    Unfortunately, some people on other boards I follow have been posting all sorts of garbage about how Mandela was a terrorist and murderer because of what MK did. Never mind the fact that since the overthrow of the apartheid government, Mandela has dedicated his life to repairing the damage that both sides of the struggle caused.

  • http://www.facebook.com/den.wilson d.c.wilson

    Meanwhile, Santorum was on the Bill-o The Clown show last night comparing himself to Mandela and Obamacare to apartheid.

    Yeah, he went there.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    If he was so great then why did he look to the Communists for support, hmm? Why didn’t he ask the Free-Market, Freedom-Loving Capitalist Western Nations who were supporting the other side to also suppor… Oh. Forget that last bit.

  • Michael Heath

    Ed’s lede:

    Nelson Mandela, perhaps the single most important and transformative figure of the last few decades on the world stage, has died at the age of 95. Now we will inevitably hear from conservatives in the United States how much they adored him as they pretend they didn’t do everything they could to support apartheid and thwart equality in South Africa.

    I didn’t suspect they’d act this way. I didn’t know what to expect, in spite of my cognizance of their dishonest attempt to co-opt MLK Jr’s legacy. The MLK co-option is really is only some conservatives, it’s not an attribute of conservatism which is why I didn’t extrapolate from this emerging phenomena. When stories such as Mandela’s death breaks I frequently go to comment section of the Wall Street Journal. That group is representative of those that adore Rush Limbaugh and therefore provides a fairly representative response of the more secular conservatives that align themselves with conservative Christians.

    So remembering how conservatives hated Mr. Mandela and the blacks in South Africa when they were all fighting for protection of their rights, I toured the comments at the WSJ last evening. Ed’s prediction was validated, they now all adore him (at least last evening, not even any outliers). Many of course had to use their posts to defame President Obama; that’s typical. I know of no site whose crowd suffers more from Obama derangement symptoms. Any bad news story returns a host of posts that it’s Obama’s fault. And most good news stories return a host of posts on this happened in spite of the President.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Also,

    Nelson Mandela, perhaps the single most important and transformative figure of the last few decades on the world stage, has died at the age of 95.”

    Thanks, Obamacare!

  • colnago80

    Mandela was an Israel basher who failed to discern the fact that the Palestinians were at least as responsible for their plight as the Government of Israel. Glossing over the Palestinian responsibility does them no favors. It is far past time that those who favor a two state stop apologizing for their terrorism and obdurent refusal to acknowledge the fact that the Palestinians are not going to be resettled in Israel. Mandela, like all critics of Israeli policy refused to recognize this and was content to mindlessly bash Israel.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/nelson-mandela-was-close-to-jews-resolutely-loyal-to-palestinians/

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    I think it was Lee Atwater who said:

    “You start out in the 1970’s by saying, “Bigot, bigot, bigot.” By 1980 you can’t say “bigot”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, racial inequality states, “township” states, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about economic sanctions and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, whites get hurt worse than blacks.… “We want to sanction this,” is much more abstract than even the supporting Desmond Tutu thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Bigot, bigot.”

    I might be wrong, but it just rings of GOPThink around apartheid back in the bad, old days when the dems were keeping Botha in power.

  • jonathangray
  • freehand

    From jonathongray’s link: The demographic change correlated to economic decline in SA is a real life experiment in replacing one set of people with another and testing the hypothesis. The results of failure are in.

    After several generations of whites moving in and stealing the land, killing or imprisoning those who complained, and essentially preventing the education of native families, what other results could there be? Are you so hateful and stupid that you think a century of slavery, exploitation, theft, and oppression can have no effects?

    The IQ (scores on IQ tests) of northern US whites are higher than northern US black citizens – which are higher than southern whites. Is this genetic, or circumstantial?

    Most red states take more money in federal aid than they give in taxes. Other way ’round for the blue states.

    Violent crime in the US is way down from its recent peak in the 1980s. Is this circumstantial, or did a generation of kids just decide to commit fewer violent crimes for no particular reason?

    Australia did a massive buyback of firearms about ten years ago, with more regulations (mostly tracking) on the ones left in private hands. All violent crime immediately dropped about 50%.

    What the crime rate and poverty of South Africa shows is the result of invasion, conquest, long-term oppression, and theft of local resources.

  • John Hinkle

    “…was content to mindlessly bash Israel.”

    Wow. Mandela was mindless. I… words fail.

  • nrdo

    I don’t think one could accuse Mandela of every being mindless. Perhaps misinformed about some foreign issues because he had to focus on South Africa’s challenges, but he was notably fair and willing to compromise in the interests of a better overall outcome for all parties. To me, that’s a definition of mindfulness, and is sadly lacking in the leaders in the Mid-East.

    One would hope that his passing will prompt some people to study how he guided his movement away from violence when a political solution became workable; I think he’d appreciate that legacy more than eulogies and flowers.

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    @freehand:

    Johnnyshort’o’graymatter likes to stir the shit–it’s really all he has to work with.

    I’ve had people tell me, for at least 50 years, that blacks don’t respect property–just look at the slums they live in. A lot of the people telling me that have Irish, Scots-Irish, Poles, English and other white European anscestors. They’re never really able to explain how their cousins in Europe STILL live in shithole slums in places like Londonderry, Glasgow, Gdansk, London, Hamburg, Barcelona, Rome and other cities. Well, except to say that they’re being kept there by repressive gummints.

    One of the many factors that kept black americans from owning homes for decades (since the New Deal years at least) was the POLICY of the FHA to not make mortgages available to prospective homebuyers who were otherwise qualified for loans because of their skin color:

    http://bostonfairhousing.org/timeline/1934-1968-FHA-Redlining.html (one of a number of articles on the subject).

    Johnny’s always nursed a grudge against people who get to where he’s got despite their lack of advantage.

    Fuck Johnny.

  • coffeehound

    So remembering how conservatives hated Mr. Mandela and the blacks in South Africa when they were all fighting for protection of their rights, I toured the comments at the WSJ last evening. Ed’s prediction was validated, they now all adore him (at least last evening, not even any outliers)

    I noted this with the passing of Cesar Chavez; he was a wetback,commie sympathizer trying to bring socialist change to America to erode our way of life(a few of several things I remember said by people around me.I was a child on a few of the picket lines at the time). After his passing I marveled at the same people mouthing praise and moved to naming bridges, roads, hell whatever they had after him. They would have been glad to jail him 10 years before. But once they co-opt the name they begin to dilute the message, which is the real harm. The hero becomes a commodity and the name stops giving them colic. I hope this doesn’t happen to Mandela.

  • coffeehound

    Sorry, I quoted Michael Heath @ # 14.

  • http://timgueguen.blogspot.com timgueguen

    To paraphrase a slogan we’re seeing used to discuss the attitudes of conservative Christians towards abortion, there’s a strong US attitude of “My revolution is the only moral revolution.” It’s one thing to debate the choice of targets made by the ANC, it’s quite another to argue that violent revolution s never the answer when your own country was founded as the result of violent revolution.

    Then there’s the claim that any tactic or stance was justified if it halted the advance of Communism. How much leverage did the Soviets get over the years because America supported violent scumbags as long as they talked the right talk?

    As for Mandela’s attitudes towards Israel Israel hardly helped in that regard when it had a fairly chummy relationship with the apartheid government.

  • Evan Brehm

    I’m betting Dave Blount at Moonbattery is celebrating the death of the “socialist thug” as he called Mandela, before going on about how much better South Africa was under apartheid and comparing Africans to wild animals like in this screed: http://moonbattery.com/?p=38987

  • jonathangray

    freehand:

    The IQ (scores on IQ tests) of northern US whites are higher than northern US black citizens

    Interesting. Do you have a source for that?

    What the crime rate and poverty of South Africa shows is the result of invasion, conquest, long-term oppression, and theft of local resources.

    If black dysfunction is the legacy of oppression, why have the Jews flourished despite suffering institutional dis privilege and popular hostility as least as grievous as anything suffered by blacks and for a lot longer?

  • jonathangray

    (Sorry, I meant do you have a source for this: “The IQ (scores on IQ tests) of … northern US black citizens … are higher than southern whites”)

  • colnago80

    Re jonathangray @ #27

    In terms of intellectual achievement, Jews did not begin to shine until the 20th Century. Off the top of my head, the only Jewish scientist of note before then was Albert Michelson, who was born in Prussia but whose family immigrated to the US when he was 2. By the way, the only graduate of the US Naval Academy to win a Nobel Prize in a science (physics), and the first American to do so.

  • nrdo

    I don’t like to feed trolls, but the oppression suffered by Blacks is subtly different in nature from that suffered by minorities like Jews and Armenians (both of whom might be construed as high achieving relative to their numbers). Among other things, Blacks have had to compensate for enormous institutional inertia against them that only really improved in the late 1960s. It also may be the case that the cultural tool they used to organize against oppression (religion, often evangelical Christianity) works against them to a degree by not rewarding scientific thinking. There are many more plausible sociological reasons for the black community’s difficulties than racial inferiority.

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    nrdo:

    “Black” is what blacks have to deal with; “Yellow” is what Asians have to deal with.

    Every other ethnic group coming to the U.S. from Europe has been assimilated because once clothing, hairstyles and accents became homogenous with other residents they were, for most purposes, the same as. Blacks and Asians have never had that going for them, until recently. My own family is being mongrelized by Asians, Hispanics and teh Afromericans –I welcome the new, multi-racial overlords.

    Johnnyboy; you are one poisonous fuck.

  • coryat

    Joe Farah hasn’t sold out. He has a poisonous wingnutdaily column today asking us not to mourn Mandela. The comments are wonderful. A particularly lovely specimen suggested Mandela was now in Hell, and got about 15 upvotes. Another, responding to a comparison to Martin Luther King, asks what was so special about MLK anyway. About 10 upvotes. Dear me.

  • jonathangray

    colnago80:

    In terms of intellectual achievement, Jews did not begin to shine until the 20th Century. Off the top of my head, the only Jewish scientist of note before then was Albert Michelson, who was born in Prussia but whose family immigrated to the US when he was 2.

    There were plenty of intellectually distinguished Jews prior to the 20th century and for that matter prior to emancipation. But I’m not talking about intellectual achievement (or more narrowly scientific achievement) or the lack thereof. I’m talking about violent dysfunction.

    nrdo:

    the oppression suffered by Blacks is subtly different in nature from that suffered by minorities like Jews and Armenians (both of whom might be construed as high achieving relative to their numbers). Among other things, Blacks have had to compensate for enormous institutional inertia against them that only really improved in the late 1960s.

    Jews suffered enormous institutional inertia against them too. Where all the Jewish flash mobs and knockout gamers?

    It also may be the case that the cultural tool they used to organize against oppression (religion, often evangelical Christianity) works against them to a degree by not rewarding scientific thinking.

    Phenomena such as flash mobs or “polar bear hunting” have nothing to do with a lack of scientific thinking; they have everything to do with a lack of civilisation.

    There are many more plausible sociological reasons for the black community’s difficulties than racial inferiority.

    I agree. I never used the expression “racial inferiority” and I’m not especially bothered by rather arbitrary measures of intelligence like IQ scores. It’s perfectly possible to civilise an uncivilised people given enough will and time — modern urban blacks are no more uncivilised than ancient forest-dwelling Germans were. The difference is there is no longer any force to prepared to civilise the former; and in time that lack will see modern urban whites revert to barbarism, a process already well advanced in places.

    democommie:

    “Black” is what blacks have to deal with; “Yellow” is what Asians have to deal with.

    Every other ethnic group coming to the U.S. from Europe has been assimilated because once clothing, hairstyles and accents became homogenous with other residents they were, for most purposes, the same as. Blacks and Asians have never had that going for them, until recently.

    So where are all the Asian flash mobs or knockout gamers?

  • http://saltycurrent.blogspot.com SC (Salty Current), OM

    The televangelist regularly spoke ill of Mandela’s group and his Christian Broadcasting Network ran segments critical of sanctions against the apartheid government as Congress debated sanctions.

    In that tradition, CBN more recently had a sympathetic piece on the neofascist Identitarian movement in Europe.

    ***

    Mandela was an Israel basher…content to mindlessly bash Israel.

    Have you read Harriet Washington’s discussion of South Africa in Medical Apartheid? If not, I recommend that you do.

  • dogmeat

    Jonathangray @ 28:

    Sorry, I meant do you have a source for this: “The IQ (scores on IQ tests) of … northern US black citizens … are higher than southern whites”)

    Personally I am aware of test results that came out of the military efforts to discern the abilities and potential of recruits during the second world war. The results were suppressed for a number of years because they rather soundly disproved the myth of inherent racial ability (or inability). Northern educated troops did consistently better and showed overall higher educational achievement and potential than southerners in general, including the fact that northern educated blacks outscored southern educated whites clearly and consistently.

    Regarding the progress of Jewish minorities versus the lack of progress for African minorities, the predominant reason for that is quite simple. While Judaism has a long history of valuing education and promoting (at the very least) full literacy, at least in the US there were active attempts to suppress educational opportunities for African Americans. It was illegal in the era of slavery for a black person to be taught to read in most of the southern states. After the war was over, one of the largest expenses of the Reconstruction era was the attempt to establish schools for children who had never had access to education, this is often portrayed by southern apologists as evidence of the corruption of the era, data actually shows, for southern history, the era was quite unremarkable for corruption and in many regions of the South corruption was actually lower under the Reconstruction governments than it was either before or after their administrations. After the removal of troops in the South, one facet of Jim Crow and Segregation was again to strip educational opportunities from southern blacks. They did similar things with southern whites, but the goal was the systematic elimination of any real educational opportunities for the former slaves and their descendents. Initially in the North, African Americans had many more educational opportunities, in fact many educated and successful African Americans are the product of multiple generations of high quality education (much like most demographics in the US). In the post-war era of growing suburbs and white flight, the impact of de facto segregation accomplished much of the same in the North that de jure segregation did in the South. By the late fifties fewer than one in five African American students managed to finish high school. Today, if you look at the schools that are failing, the vast majority of them are in overcrowded, underfunded, predominantly urban, minority majority schools and school districts.

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    “So where are all the Asian flash mobs or knockout gamers?”

    Spend some time in L.A., douchebag.

    You’re a racist piece of shit.

  • http://timgueguen.blogspot.com timgueguen

    Strange that jonathangray mentions flash mobs, which are not limited to African-Americans, and aren’t inherently violent, and implies that the supposed knockout game is only being done by African Americans.

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    @37:

    Johnnyboy is an apologist for the RCC and a racist piece-of-shit; what you mention is hardly unusual in that subset of knuckledraggin’ fuckwads.

  • jonathangray

    dogmeat:

    Personally I am aware of test results that came out of the military efforts to discern the abilities and potential of recruits during the second world war. The results were suppressed for a number of years because they rather soundly disproved the myth of inherent racial ability (or inability). Northern educated troops did consistently better and showed overall higher educational achievement and potential than southerners in general, including the fact that northern educated blacks outscored southern educated whites clearly and consistently.

    Are these test results you’re personally aware of readily accessible?

    Regarding the progress of Jewish minorities versus the lack of progress for African minorities, the predominant reason for that is quite simple. While Judaism has a long history of valuing education and promoting (at the very least) full literacy, at least in the US there were active attempts to suppress educational opportunities for African Americans. It was illegal in the era of slavery for a black person to be taught to read in most of the southern states. After the war was over, one of the largest expenses of the Reconstruction era was the attempt to establish schools for children who had never had access to education, this is often portrayed by southern apologists as evidence of the corruption of the era, data actually shows, for southern history, the era was quite unremarkable for corruption and in many regions of the South corruption was actually lower under the Reconstruction governments than it was either before or after their administrations. After the removal of troops in the South, one facet of Jim Crow and Segregation was again to strip educational opportunities from southern blacks. They did similar things with southern whites, but the goal was the systematic elimination of any real educational opportunities for the former slaves and their descendents. Initially in the North, African Americans had many more educational opportunities, in fact many educated and successful African Americans are the product of multiple generations of high quality education (much like most demographics in the US). In the post-war era of growing suburbs and white flight, the impact of de facto segregation accomplished much of the same in the North that de jure segregation did in the South. By the late fifties fewer than one in five African American students managed to finish high school.

    That’s a persuasive narrative. The only thing that would make me question it is that I’ve seen statistics bandied about which purportedly show that in terms of indicators like educational and economic attainment, family stability and rates of delinquency/crime, American blacks are actually more dysfunctional now than they were in the segregation era. If that’s true, it would seem to require an explanation. (Perhaps part of the problem is that the civil rights movement coincided with a time of revolutionary social upheaval (still ongoing) when the legitimacy of every Western institution was called into question.  As a result the blacks were left doubly alienated — long severed from their native African cultural roots and now denied the chance to integrate into a stable dominant culture because that culture was in the process of self-immolation. Western cultural suicide would of course also explain the emergence of a savage white underclass.)

    To what would you attribute the phenomenon of white flight’?

    timgueguen:

    Strange that jonathangray mentions flash mobs, which are not limited to African-Americans, and aren’t inherently violent

    By ‘flash mobs’ I mean the recent widespread phenomenon of beatings and lootings by large black mobs in the USA, not singsongs in Starbucks.

    and implies that the supposed knockout game is only being done by African Americans.

    How many accounts can you find of white-on-black knockouts?

    Which is more prevalent in the USA — white-on-black violence or black-on-white violence?

    democommie:

    Spend some time in L.A., douchebag.

    I did once. Horrible place. Is Asian violence against whites endemic there?

    You’re a racist piece of shit.

    No, democommie, you want me to be a racist so you can have a bogeyman to rail against. In truth, nothing I’ve said can reasonably be construed as racist. I’ve made it perfectly clear that I regard cultural formation, not DNA, as the decisive factor; and that, absent such cultural formation, whites can be and have been as barbarous as anybody else.

    As for the human biodiversity/race realism crowd’s belief that whites have, on average, higher IQs than blacks and that IQ is determined by heritable genetic factors … I’m willing to see it proved or disproved. In principle I don’t see why it couldn’t be true, particularly if one accepts the materialist/Darwinian view. No-one would dispute that subgroups of the human species exhibit distinctive physical characteristics (height, skin colour, eyelid structure, hair texture etc) – nobody would dispute it because it’s manifest.  And presumably this is a result of natural selection.  So why shouldn’t natural selection also produce different intellectual attributes?  It seems highly implausible that it wouldn’t, particularly given that – from the materialist/Darwinian perspective – any dichotomy between ‘physical’ and ‘intellectual’ is entirely spurious.  Everything is physical and personality is brain activity. Aren’t brains subject to natural selection? (A HBD witticism is that evolution is something fundies believe never happened and liberals believe stopped dead when everyone achieved neurological uniformity.)

    But even if this ‘scientific racism’ is true, it wouldn’t affect my belief in the primacy of culture. Apart from anything else, there is more to civilisation than intelligence, particularly intelligence as narrowly defined as an IQ score. Civilisation is as much a matter of sensibility as intelligence. And if an HBDer retorts that this sensibility is also a genetic heritable trait … well, then he must explain how it was that the ancient pagan germanic barbarians could be successfully raised to civilisation. I guess he would argue that prolonged exposure to civilisation acts as a eugenic matrix which optimises for these desirable traits … but if that’s the case, there’s no reason why this process couldn’t be applied to barbarian blacks as much as barbarian Germans or Vikings.

    See, democommie — we agree! Education and nurture is key. Difference is, I don’t think a liberal dollop of sex’n’drugs’n’rock’n’roll seasoned with a dash of communism quite makes the cut as education or nurture.

    an apologist for the RCC

    (Which, incidentally, actively encouraged miscegenation between French settlers and Canadian Indians.)

  • http://www.facebook.com/rick.desper rickdesper

    Their leaders may be trying to sweep the legacy of Mandela villification under the rug, but their ground troops are having none of it. Every bboard and discussion page I’ve seen in the last few days has no shortage of trolls calling Mandela a “terrorist” and a “communist” who “deserved his sentence” and “was never tortured”.

    My favorite troll was a guy named “rightwing” at TPM who then explained how Irving Kristol was a Trotskyite.

    Who knew??

  • colnago80

    Re rickdeeper @ #40

    As a matter of fact, Kristol was a Trotskyite when he was an undergraduate, as was Norman Podhoretz and David Horowitz.