Ryan’s Appeal to Right Wing on Budget Deal

Rep. Paul Ryan and Sen. Patty Murray have reached a compromise budget deal that they hope will avoid another government shutdown and more bloodletting in Congress. Conservatives have reacted mostly with skepticism, but Ryan went on Meet the Press and offered this argument for why conservatives should support it:

RYAN: On our side of the aisle, we like the fact for the economy, no shutdowns. We also don’t want to have shutdown drama so we can focus on replacing Obamacare, so we can focus on showing better ideas and what this is coming in. Cause we don’t think people like this law and we don’t think it’s gonna get any more popular. We don’t agree on this. So each of us gets something out of this that we think is good.

So if they pass the budget deal the House can take more votes to repeal Obamacare. Because instead of the 40 or so previous votes in the House to repeal it could easily have been 50 or 60 votes if only they didn’t have to deal with that pesky federal budget. And because if they just vote to repeal it another 20 times, it will magically disappear even though they know it will never become law because the Senate will reject and Obama would veto it even if they did. This, ladies and gentlemen, is how the wingnuts think. This is what passes for serious thinking in the Republican party these days.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/den.wilson d.c.wilson

    , so we can focus on showing better ideas and what this is coming in.

    Step 2: Actually coming up with ideas.

  • Larry

    Oh, but they’re going to replace Obamacare, not just eliminate it. Why, they already have a blank piece of paper to start writing down their newest, bestest, non-Nazi-like medical care plan evah (with 20% fewer death panels)!

  • Crip Dyke, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden

    Step 1: Destroy reforms promoting medical and economic efficiency in the chaotic free insurance market.

    Step 2: ????

    Step 3: Profit

    ==========

    These congressional republicans. They’re so ahead of their time.

    If only they would go back to it.

  • http://www.atomiccitizen.net/ EricJ

    so we can focus on replacing Obamacare, so we can focus on showing better ideas and what this is coming in.

    Obamacare was a Republican idea.

  • roggg

    Ryan is pretty smart. Whatever reasons or arguments he presents, I think the truth is that the repubs took a beating in public opinion over the last shutdown, and he knows they need time to recover from that before the next election, so repeating it would be a very bad strategy. In a sense it’s about damage control over Tea Party obstinacy. So Obamacare! I know you dont like shutting down our economy, but y’all hate Obamacare right?

  • raven

    Meaningless gibberish. Word salad.

    so we can focus on showing better ideas and what this is coming in.

    No one has ever seen those “better ideas”. Invading Iraq or Iran? Cutting taxes, increasing spending, and creating the Great Recession? The NSA and Patriot Act massive spying? Destroying the US government? The New Endarkenment? Cutting food stamps for the poor?

    Cause we don’t think people like this law…

    Romney said he would kill Obamacare on day 1. He lost by 5 million votes. Ryan is lying here.

    and we don’t think it’s gonna get any more popular.

    More lies. The GOP is afraid Obamacare will work and be popular. They have been trying any way they can do actively sabotage it. It may well work.

    While the rollout was a (predictable) fiasco, that is a transitory phenomenon. So was Romneycare in Massachusetts, the model, and it has proven both popular and to work. These rollouts are always slow and back loaded.

  • raven

    Ryan is pretty smart.

    A common claim withough a shred of evidence.

    No one has actually seen that. All we see is a garden variety, routine idiot.

    A lot of people have tried to analyze the Ryan budget plan. No one has been able to do it. There isn’t one. Just vague and impossible generalities. In the last election, he was going to lower taxes, close tax loopholes, and balance the budget. Which is impossible.

  • roggg

    A common claim withough a shred of evidence. No one has actually seen that. All we see is a garden variety, routine idiot.

    I’ve seen the claim before, and I didn’t mean to back the generic idea that Ryan is generally smart. I meant more specifically that it’s a smart idea for him to be talking the right out of re-engaging in self-destructive act of holding America’s economy hostage. It went badly for them last time, and would probably go even worse now that the populace have already formed an opinion on the matter. I dont think Ryan’s mumblings about Obamacare are sincere. I think he recognizes the folly of letting the nihilists run the show, and is trying to sell a more moderate approach by any means necessary. His explanation doesn’t even make sense, but it may placate some of the extremists.

  • scienceavenger

    The claim that Ryan is smart stopped having any justification during the 2012 election, when he dodged every substantive question about his budget with “it’s too complicated”. For him maybe.

  • raven

    Krugman:

    Paul Ryan .. Bixby (my note: a right wingnut) announced, had “earned his Fiscy Award really by being the first [congressman] in several years to step forward with a specific scorable budget plan that would actually solve the nation’s long-term structural deficits.”

    There were two problems with this. First, Ryan’s plan, the “Roadmap for America’s Future,” wasn’t truly “scorable”—he had instead simply given the CBO estimates for future revenue and spending, prompting the organization to note that its analysis “does not represent a cost estimate…”

    Here is what Paul Krugman, a real economist has to say about the Ryan budget plan.

    Basically, it doesn’t exist. There aren’t any real numbers in it which makes it unanalyzable.

  • erichoug

    Frankly, someone who claims that Ayn Rand is their political inspiration is very difficult to take seriously.

  • Michael Heath

    roggg writes:

    Ryan is pretty smart

    Ryan’s not that smart. For example, at an early age he chose ideology over reality and has yet to tact back. In college he became attracted to libertarian economic ideology and chose it over modern economics.

    Now I had some libertarian stuff thrown at me as an under-grad taking a lot of econ. But it didn’t take a rocket scientist to notice it stacked up as well as creationism does to biology. The lack of math and a dependency on rhetoric were both pretty strong hints.

  • Trebuchet

    Patty Murray? Pfffft. She’s nothing but a mom in tennis shoes.*

    *As she was described by a Republican on being elected to the Washington State Legislature.

  • raven

    Frankly, someone who claims that Ayn Rand is their political inspiration is very difficult to take seriously.

    True.

    I was a Libertarian myself as a teenager. For a few weeks.

    It took that long to realize it was just nonsense.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    d.c.wilson “Step 2: Actually coming up with ideas.”

    Any Republican: “I have an idea…”

    Obama: “Sounds good. I’m for it.”

    Any Republican: “…that I’m against.”

    Also, they still have plenty of ideas. Some will do a little. Some won’t do anything. And some (like cross border insurance sales) will make things worse.

    Realistically, though, “repeal and replace” is just “repeal”. After that, their job is done. I mean, a return to the old status quo is still change, right?

  • Doug Little

    raven,

    No one has ever seen those “better ideas”

    That’s because you have to “buy the book” before you get to see the ideas. Very similar to crank mathematicians who say they have solved all sorts of problems with new never thought of “approaches” and will give you the knowledge if only you would fund the publication of their ground breaking theory.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Doug Little “Very similar to crank mathematicians who say they have solved all sorts of problems with new never thought of ‘approaches’ and will give you the knowledge if only you would fund the publication of their ground breaking theory.”

    No. Rightwing economics has long history of experiments and outcomes behind it. That’s the problem.

  • eric

    On our side of the aisle, we like the fact for the economy, no shutdowns.

    Actually, a couple months ago there was a fair number of GOP boosters claiming the shutdown as a good thing. Here is just one example.

    So, an about-face on the value of your own strategy not even 3 months after you tried it.

    We also don’t want to have shutdown drama so we can focus on replacing Obamacare,

    More complete, unabashed, historical revisionism. The GOP’s plan which they trumpted out to the world just a few months ago was that they would stop/repeal Obamacare by use of a shutdown. The shutdown WAS your ‘focus on replacing Obamacare.’

  • lpetrich

    The right wing was not bothered by Obamacare when it was Heritagecare or Chafeecare or Romneycare. But when it’s Obamacare, they turn livid.

    Heritagecare — the Heritage Foundation’s proposal

    Chafeecare — John Chafee’s alternative to Clintoncare

    Romneycare — what Mitt Romney implemented in Massachusetts

    So when Republicans do it, it’s good or it’s at least tolerable. But when Democrats do it…