OMG! The Mark of the Beast! Uh…Again!

Is there anything more ridiculous than Christian fundamentalists and their constant declaration that the government is about to impose the “mark of the beast” on us? Ever since John put his acid-trip dreams down on paper and credulous followers thought it was a “prophecy,” virtually everything has been called the mark of the beast. The Worldnetdaily’s Jerome Corsi has the latest bit of delusion:

Shades of Big Brother.

Just as you were wrapping your mind around the idea that under Obamacare and the accompanying changes in the health-care system, your medical records will be floating around in some online repository, available to far too many people, you’re being told you’ll soon have a National Identity Card and a Western Hemisphere-compliant travel document whether you want it or not, if you plan to drive in the United States.

The federal government says it soon will be enforcing its demands that state-issued driver’s licenses and ID cards comply with Department of Homeland Security standards.

DHS announced just before Christmas a final schedule for the full enforcement of the REAL ID Act of 2005…

For many Americans, the full implementation of the REAL ID act is certain to trigger unfortunate memories of World War II and the modus operandi of fascist, totalitarian states, where travelers and ordinary citizens on the street are stopped by authorities and demanded, “Your papers, please!”

Wow, they’re going to enforce a law passed 8 years ago? That’s amazing. And certainly worth freaking out about. And what are those DHS standards, you might be wondering?

Among the DHS requirements for a state-issued driver’s license to be DHS-compliant will be the presentation by the applicant of a valid birth certificate, verification of the applicant’s Social Security Number or documentation the person is not eligible for Social Security, and proof the applicant is either a U.S. citizen or lawfully admitted to the U.S. as a permanent or temporary resident.

Further, driver’s license and IDs issued by the states will have to meet stringent requirements as set by the federal government.

To qualify as DHS-compliant, state-issued driver’s licenses and ID cards must have built-in security features to prevent tampering, counterfeiting, and duplication of the documents for a fraudulent purpose.

Okay, let me see if I can get this straight…a right-wing publication that pushes for voter ID laws to fight mythical voter fraud and cheered on Arizona’s immigration law that required that everyone carry proof of their citizenship or legal residency with them at all times in case they get pulled over is now complaining that people will be required to show such documentation to get a driver’s license (documentation they almost certainly have to provide already by the states, incidentally)? And in the very same column that they’re expressing fear of medical information being stolen, they’re upset that the new driver’s licenses will have security features that prevent the release of information on the cards? I’m starting to think that the real “mark of the beast” is stupidity.

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  • eric

    For many Americans, the full implementation of the REAL ID act is certain to trigger unfortunate memories of World War II and the modus operandi of fascist, totalitarian states, where travelers and ordinary citizens on the street are stopped by authorities and demanded, “Your papers, please!”

    It’s worth noting that the Real ID act was written and sponsored by Republicans. It was passed overwhelmingly by Republicans (292 GOPs and 42 Dems supporting), and it was signed into law by Bush II.

    So Corsi, if you see shades of Big Brother and nazism in this, you’re seeing it in the GOP.

  • eric

    Oops, that should read 219 GOPs. Mistype, but the point remains the same.

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    LSD doesn’t fuck you up badly enough to make you write the kind of shit John was spewing. Mostly it’s political allegory for current events – so don’t think “acid-tripping hippie” think “ancestral Glen Beck” and you’re more on target.

    It’s not the ravings of a madman (madness is not a lifestyle choice) it’s just lies from a lying lyitty liar who’d be blogging on Patheos if he was alive today.

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    Besides, they’re stupid. The “number of the beast” is actually your hashcode that’s used for looking up your data in the NSA’s repository. For some reason, the wingnuts aren’t bothered by that!!* Because, uh, conservative or something.

    (* I do not get this at all. The NSA’s tracing + USPS and UPS/FEDEX turning over address information to NSA means that they can correlate gun purchases. Do you think the FBI cares who is buying caselots of 9mm? It’s the boxes labelled ORM-D that come from a blacklist of retailers and weigh 36+lbs. Do you think the FBI cares if you get a tracked and insured box from a gun dealer and the insurance manifest says “gun” on it? Gah! The stupid, it burns!)

  • http://timgueguen.blogspot.com timgueguen

    The answer of course is obvious. Those new regulations will apply to True White Patriots(tm) like them, not just all those foreigners and so forth.

    It’s funny how the “Gun registration leads to confiscation!” crowd aren’t more up in arms against automobile registration. After all when The Dictatorship takes over vehicle registration will make it that much easier for their precious SUVs and pickup trucks to be seized. Yet opposition to it remains a fringe concern, generally limited to the “Sovereign Citizens” crowd and their equivalents.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    They’re right. It’s all there in Revelations (“And your current government shall attempt, in Good Faith, to enforce a previous government’s laws. And ye, as white as the lamb, shall be treated as the Hispanics, and, yea, like Democratic party voters in general. And there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth.”)

  • http://www.gregory-gadow.net Gregory in Seattle

    It wasn’t acid, it was almost certainly ethylene, a hydrocarbon gas that is pretty common is gases from volcanic vents. It is what set the Pythian Oracle at Delphi into her trances, and it is very likely what triggered John of Patmos’ hallucinations.

  • http://www.gregory-gadow.net Gregory in Seattle

    Ten years ago, it was RFID chips that would be implanted in the right hand. In the 80s, it was bar codes that would be tattooed. Fundigelicals can be quite creative, when it allows them to feed their insatiable persecution complex.

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    Ten years ago, it was RFID chips that would be implanted in the right hand

    I’m surprised they haven’t figured out the iPhones. Heheheheheh. We got ’em!

  • Baktru

    I’ve never understood this ID paranoia.

    Then again, I am from a country where having the national ID card on you is mandatory at all times in public as of the age of 12, and refusing to show it to police upon demand is a finable offense.

    Oh and I don’t live there anymore, so where I live now? Ah yes, having upon you, in public, either your national ID, work permit or temporary visa is always mandatory.

    I still don’t get, what is so wrong with that?

  • Baktru

    Oh and in addition, by law, one cannot do many things without producing said ID in one or both of the places:

    Rent a Hotel Room: Both.

    Buy alcohol or cigarettes: Here (for the age check.)

    Get a pre-paid sim-card: Here.

    Get a postpaid sim-card: both.

    Have any kind of interaction with the government: Both.

    Open a bank account: both.

    Get a job: Both.

    And what would really kill Republicans…

    Get a firearm of any kind…

    Where I’m from: You need a license from the government, which includes checks I don’t exactly know about but obviously includes interacting with the government.

    Here: You cannot get a firearm as a private citizen. Or even ammo.

  • dingojack

    “For many Americans, the full implementation of the REAL ID act is certain to trigger unfortunate memories of World War II and the modus operandi of fascist, totalitarian states, where travelers* and ordinary citizens on the street are stopped by authorities and demanded, “Your papers, please!””

    Whew – luckily in the same period the Americans never had to show any kind of paperwork – nosiree – they just wandered around all over the place willy-nilly (well not Japanese-Americans obviously)…

    Dingo

    ——-

    * ‘Travellers’, perhaps.

    Modus – I never knew you had your own totalitarian fascist state in the ’40’s. Did you sell it in the ’60’s to buy a ‘pint of tea’? 😉

  • matty1

    John was clear that before the second beast who marks people there would be a first beast “rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns”

    The beast is also described as “like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion”

    So if you’re going to take the Bible literally look out for seven headed sea leopards with horns and bear feet.

    Or is it only literal when that suits someone’s political agenda?

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Baktru “Then again, I am from a country where having the national ID card on you is mandatory at all times in public as of the age of 12, and refusing to show it to police upon demand is a finable offense.”

    Sounds a lot like a little country called Nazi Germany!

    “Ah yes, having upon you, in public, either your national ID, work permit or temporary visa is always mandatory.”

    Why? Is it so the Gestapo isn’t disappointed by your answer when they ask “Do you haff your pay-perz?”

    Here, in whatever country I am in, the only mandatory is clean underwear. Mostly in case you get hit by a car. Plus, we wear it on the outside. Mostly in case we’re Superman.

  • matty1

    @10 You don’t see anything wrong with the idea that people can be fined for the crime of leaving the house without their wallet? And really any law that gives the police power to stop people and make demands on them without even suspecting them of a crime is an invitation to abuse.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    dingojack “Modus – I never knew you had your own totalitarian fascist state in the ’40′s.”

    It should be pointed out, in my defense, that everyone who was anyone had a nice totalitarian fascist state of their own back then. It was the “camping at the cabin” of its generation. Granted, the “camps” were a little different…

    “Did you sell it in the ’60′s to buy a ‘pint of tea’? ;)”

    Booze. I was the Al Capone of that era. With booze being legal, however, the margins weren’t big enough to cover my extravagant lifestyle, of zoot suits, violence and syphilis.

  • marcus

    Elaine Pagels did a remarkable job of research in her book “Revelations”. Her work supports Marcus Ranum’s assertion that much of the book of Revelation of the bible was indeed a political/spiritual allegory for that time. Another interesting point that she brings up is, at the time it was written, 95 CE, there were several competing “prophets’ all hawking their own particular book of “revelations”. (“The Life of Brian actually nailed it. Hat tip to Modus.) John just had a better religio-political machine working to make sure that his version became the one that was most widely accepted.

  • DonDueed

    So if you’re going to take the Bible literally look out for seven headed sea leopards with horns and bear feet.

    Won’t somebody get that poor beast some shoes?

  • raven

    If we are going to get all biblical, Revelation refers to future events.

    None of which have yet or ever happened.

    “rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns”

    Hasn’t happened yet.

    There is also a scene where god’s girlfriend stands on the moon giving birth while a hungry dragon looks on. (Hello!!! God is apparently absent and doing nothing while this happens. Doesn’t look like god is a very good boyfriend.)

    No one has seen that yet either.

  • bobcarroll

    matty1 @13 > Remember the punch line to a horrible joke, “Boyfoot bear with teak of Chan?” A reference to

    Blessings on thee, little man,

    Bearfoot boy with cheek of tan.

    I guess there’s more of this sort of thing going on that we realize.

    Of course, there was Max Shulman’s take on this, “Barefoot Boy With Cheek,”

    but the original author, John Greenleaf, was of course, Whittier.

  • John Pieret

    Once again the ontology of the claim is simple. If it happens when that nig.. liberal, socialist, commie, Muslim, Kenyan, atheist, murdering, tyrant is in office, it is bad … even if it is a law passed by Republicans and identical to Republican voter ID laws. The sole necessary criteria is Obama=bad. Everything else, including logic or consistency, is, to wingnuts, windowdressing.

  • Baktru

    @15: The police back there is not allowed to just stop anyone. There had been issues with racial profiling at some point and finer points of the law were changed. In essence they can only stop you if they suspect you of being in the act of or about to perpetrate a crime, or if it’s a blanket action that stops everyone. Oh and I forgot, there is a third one, in case you were a witness to a crime, they can ask for your ID as well so you can be asked to come to the police station to give a statement of what you did or did not see.

    All in all, in the quarter-century since I’ve been expected to have ID on me, I have been asked for ID 9 times by law enforcement. Four times during blanket Drunk Driving checks, once when a highway was fully diverted onto a rest-stop in an action to search for roving burglar gangs, once when police were checking everyone at a border after a recent terrorist attack, once when I was a witness of a rather violent barfight and once when I went into a police precinct myself to report a crime and once when I went to a police station to report a lost passport.

    I don’t think any of those were unwarranted. Yes it could be open to abuse, of course. That’s why the law (and enforcement of such) needs to have proper checks and balances.

    Oh and that action where they closed the highway, from the newspapers and what I remember (which may of course be a bit off), the police caught 5 drunk drivers, two overweight trucks, 4 people with an APB out on them, two people using illegal diesel in their car and a 4-man gang of roving burglars.

    Is that kind of result worth my being stopped for 10 minutes and asked to show my ID in a blanket stop everyone action? Yes I do think so.

  • Baktru

    Also I still maintain this place needs a Like button just for Modusoperandi.

  • matty1

    @22 I’m relieved to hear there are checks in place although I’m not sure how the absence of ID would have helped police to tell if you were driving drunk or a member of a burglar gang.

    Incidentally, they only check on the border in specific incidents and asked for an ID card rather than passport. Would I be right in guessing this place is within the Shengen area?

  • Baktru

    Yes obviously inside Shengen. Under normal circumstances, at that same border crossing, there are no checks whatsoever. I’ve crossed it often enough.

    I must admit that one was a bit embarrassing though. I did not even intend to cross the border that night. I just missed my exit (lost in thought!) So telling the border police that really the only reason I even got there was because I missed the previous exit was a bit awkward.

    Also for drunk driving the difference is, with mandated ID, you do not actually get arrested for drunk driving. You are ordered to leave the car there and call someone to pick you up. The fine later gets sent to you. Only in cases of euh let’s call it high intoxication would you be taken into custody on the spot. The burglars as well of course. In the cases where an arrest actually happens, I agree it doesn’t matter much.

    However, what it does allow police to do is to let minor infractions just get noted and followed up later, as they do know who you are. On one of the drunk driving stops I actually had a bust taillight on the car. I didn’t even know. All I got was a note from the officer to present the car 14 days hence with a fixed taillight at my local precinct. (Or of course proof of selling it for instance). Then again I assume in the US the police could also know who I am from the license plate?

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Baktru “Oh and that action where they closed the highway, from the newspapers and what I remember (which may of course be a bit off), the police caught…two people using illegal diesel in their car…”

    What? Is that like using subsidized purple gas (“farm gas”) in non-farm vehicles? And further, what?

    “Also I still maintain this place needs a Like button just for Modusoperandi.”

    I’m my own Like button. Why did you think people are always clicking me?

  • caseloweraz

    Matty1: So if you’re going to take the Bible literally look out for seven-headed sea leopards with horns and bear feet.

    “His horn is his life! Tear out the horn!”

  • Baktru

    @Modus: Diesel is essentially the same as the petroleum product used to heat houses. The Diesel is quite highly taxed (for the environment and stuff), the house heating version is not… So it is actually an offense to take the “diesel” from your home heating system and use it in the car.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Baktru “@Modus: Diesel is essentially the same as the petroleum product used to heat houses.”

    Doesn’t it strike you as more than a little bizarre and overzealous that that would be one of the things the cops would be looking for in a stop that wasn’t looking for anything at all like that, much less that they were looking for it hard enough to find something that obscure and, let’s be honest, minor, twice?

  • http://festeringscabofrealityblogspot.com fifthdentist

    So, if Obama has a driver’s license, then it’s proof that he presented a valid birth certificate?

    P.S. To the wingnuts, Bush II never existed/was not a “real conservative”/was a Democratic plant/why the hell are you still bringing up Bush all these years later, now shut up so I can get to my weekly “Jimmy Carter Sucks and Bill Clinton got a Blow Job” group meeting.

  • blf

    In some places, such as Ireland, diesel is sold in two forms, Agricultural and “Normal”. Normal is for cars, lorries, and so on, and has a high tax; Agricultural is the identical fuel but is strictly for farm equipment (e.g., tractors), and has a much lower tax. Agricultural diesel is dyed so it has a different colour than Normal diesel.

    That, of course, sets up the scam where gangs buy (or steal from unguarded farms) the cheap Agricultural and then “wash” it to remove the dye, selling the washed diesel as the more expensive Normal (but of course not paying the “tax” portion of the price to the government). Various terror groups have part-financed themselves in this way (along with drug dealing, bank robbery, and other mafia-style tricks…).

    Nothing to do with ID, just another example of a diesel fuel scam.

  • Baktru

    @Modus: I do agree it’s a minor offense but in massive operations like that they will do spot checks. Hmm those may actually be very much subject to profiling…

    Obviously they didn’t check my car because mine was a petrol at the time, so I honestly can’t comment on that.

    @blf: It’s the other way around where I’m from actually, it’s the taxed diesel that gets coloured. So the spot checks pretty much just check the diesel in the car is properly red.

  • lofgren

    Arizona.

  • Baktru

    Note also that Brasil, actually prohibits Diesel cars for the very same reason, to prevent tax evasion…

    http://wardsauto.com/news-amp-analysis/its-not-just-here-brazil-outlaws-diesels

  • dingojack

    A brief musical interlude

    Dingo

  • busterggi

    Acording to crazy john the number of the Beast is 666 (or 616 depending on which version you accept) not any other number.

    Isn’t it going to be a tad confusing for everyone to have the same number?

  • Scr… Archivist

    Baktru @22,

    I heard that the cops at the rest stop also busted a partidge in a pear tree.

  • EnlightenmentLiberal

    @Baktru

    Then again, I am from a country where having the national ID card on you is mandatory at all times in public as of the age of 12, and refusing to show it to police upon demand is a finable offense.

    In essence they can only stop you if […], or if it’s a blanket action that stops everyone.

    See. The US has a little problem with this. It’s called the fourth amendment to the constitution of the United States.

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    It spells out in exceedingly clear language that any suspicion-less stop, such as a “blanket stop”, wherein they demand to see your “papers”, shall not be permitted.

    Of course, lots of US laws already violate that (I’m looking at you roadside sobriety checkpoints, and other laws), which is why I fight against those laws, and which is why I fight the people who want a police state.

    Frankly, at the very least I’m suspicious – and probably against – any law requiring a national ID card or number to begin with, let alone requiring that you keep it on your person, let alone requiring that you present it on demand. This used to be the way US law worked AFAIK a hundred years back. However, driver’s licenses changed all that. There were a few court cases early on which challenged the constitutionality of requiring driver’s keep their licenses on their person and/or present it to police, and the first few cases said that was unconstitutional. However, the public safety argument won, and then it fell all the way down this slippery slope and AFAIK the text “secure your in papers” has very little resemblence to how it was first understood, and today is pretty useless insofaras it doesn’t protect much of anything AFAIK.

  • caseloweraz

    Scr…Activist (#37): I heard that the cops at the rest stop also busted a partridge in a pear tree.

    On the fifth day in Shengen the busts turned out to be:

    Five drunken drivers,

    Four trucks a-laden,

    Three rabble-rousers,

    Two APB subs,

    And a cartridge in a pear tree.

    That almost works.

  • dingojack

    Modus – “I’m my own Like button. Why did you think people are always clicking me?”

    Eeewww. No wonder you needed all those (wash & wear) Zoot suits!

    :) Dingo

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    EnlightenmentLiberal – ” [the 4th amendment] … spells out in exceedingly clear language that any suspicion-less stop, such as a “blanket stop”, wherein they demand to see your “papers”, shall not be permitted. ”

    No wonder the US military is so expensive, what with all and sundry waltzing on to bases and stealing everything not nailed down. Nothing can be done about it – no blanket stops allowed.

  • EnlightenmentLiberal

    @dingo

    There is an obvious difference between blanket stops on public roads, and blanket stops at the entrance to “private” land like a military base. The comparison is dishonest.