Denier Denies Being a Denier, You Nazi

Roy Spencer, a former NASA meteorologist who denies the reality of manmade global warming, is very mad about being called a denier and he’s decided that he’s going to call everyone who calls him a denier a “global warming Nazi.” Because that’s totally rational.

Former NASA scientist Dr. Roy Spencer is sick of being labeled a global warming ‘denier’ by politicians and environmentalists. So sick of it, in fact, that he’s going to start calling detractors “global warming Nazis” until he is no longer called a “denier.”

“Yeah, somebody pushed my button,” Spencer wrote on his blog. “When politicians and scientists started calling people like me ‘deniers’, they crossed the line.”

“They indirectly equate (1) the skeptics’ view that global warming is not necessarily all manmade nor a serious problem, with (2) the denial that the Nazi’s extermination of millions of Jews ever happened,” Spencer added.

“Too many of us for too long have ignored the repulsive, extremist nature of the comparison. It’s time to push back,” he wrote. “I’m now going to start calling these people “global warming Nazis.’”

Or…it means you deny something. When they call you a global warming denier, it means you deny global warming. English — how the fuck does that work?

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  • https://www.facebook.com/kpalexander1 Kevin Alexander

    He’s using the word to mean denying something that’s true

    Since global warming is false, he’s not denying anything, he’s just making a principled stand!

    .

    Which involves sticking his fingers in his ears and going lalalalala.

  • http://www.gregory-gadow.net Gregory in Seattle

    “When I use a word,” Roy Spencer said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”

  • Jordan Genso

    I don’t know about you, but I’m more likely to believe the deniers if they go Godwin.

  • Michael Heath

    Every single global warming denialist I’ve encountered who wants the title skeptic won’t bother to actually practice skepticism, or perhaps more likely, can’t.

  • joe_k

    Well, it’s okay. He’s no longer merely a global warming denier, and should more appropriately be described as “All around fuckwit, Roy Spencer”. Happy now, Roy?

  • doublereed

    Every single global warming denialist I’ve encountered who wants the title skeptic won’t bother to actually practice skepticism, or perhaps more likely, can’t.

    What, Motivated Skepticism doesn’t count?

  • colnago80

    Spencer is also an evolution denier.

  • raven

    wikipedia Roy Spencer

    Climate change[edit]

    Spencer is a signatory to An Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming,[24][25] which states that “Earth and its ecosystems – created by God’s intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His faithful providence – are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and self-correcting”.[26]

    Roy Spencer is an all around religious polykook.

    A creationist.

    A fundie death cult xian.

    He believes climate change isn’t occurring because god is in charge.

  • jnorris

    So much for that thing Jesus said about forgiveness.

  • http://www.facebook.com/den.wilson d.c.wilson

    I’ll meet him halfway. I won’t call him a scientist since he obviously isn’t one.

  • a_ray_in_dilbert_space

    Actually, up to a few years ago, I might have granted Roy the epithet “skeptic”. He at least admits the greenhouse effect is real. He just assumes CO2 has an absurdly low forcing. Unfortunately, he’s become increasingly credulous of any idea that purports to undermine the current crisis.He’s still a step up from Richard Lindzen who actively tries to fool laymen with arguments he knows to be bogus or Aunt Judy Curry, who has never quite learned to speak in declarative, unambiguous sentences.

    I really wonder if this might not be a classic example of Xtianity taking an otherwise intelligent human and making him stupider.

  • raven

    California almond farmers face tough choices

    .By SCOTT SMITH11 hours ago

    FIREBAUGH, Calif. (AP) — With California’s agricultural heartland entrenched in drought, almond farmers are letting orchards dry up and in some cases making the tough call to have their trees torn out of the ground, leaving behind empty fields.

    And

    Drawing well water is a bad option, he said. Their wells sink 2,400 feet below ground in his region of the Central Valley, providing water that’s unhealthy and compromises the crops for years, if the trees survive at all, he said.

    Well thanks to Roy Spencer’s stunning insight we now know that his god hates farmers, almond trees, and California.

    This 3 year drought is a slow motion disaster. This summer we will find out that god hates coniferous forest as they go up in flames.

    And they can’t pump up ground water. Anymore. They’ve been mining the aquifiers for decades and the water table is now 2,400 feet deep and the water is salty. A lot of the central valley used to be a wetland.

    PS Yeah, I know, no one event is necessarily due to global warming. But the models predict that the rain belts will move north and California was already a dry state. This could be the new normal. And it is happening in the southwest Colorado river area as well.

  • A Masked Avenger

    If he hadn’t gone and played the Nazi card, I’d have said he’s slightly less crazy than you make him sound. Calling someone a “denier” means, on the face of it, only that they contradict something. But it carries the connotation that they’re contradicting something that is true, and hence that their denial is false. It implies that they are at least wrong, if not also deranged. It does that because the word “denial” marks itself as the non-default position.

    So if atheists were called “God deniers,” would they cheerfully reply, “Yup! I contradict your theism!” Doubtful. They’d realize that they’re being portrayed as foolishly dissenting from the default position, namely theism, and they’d realize that the language is being loaded to put the atheists on the wrong foot.

    It’s reasonable to refer to Holocaust deniers, and moon-landing deniers, etc. However, in debating a moon-landing denier, it could be considered impolite, if not question-begging, to use the term. Just as in a theist/atheist debate, the atheist would not appreciate being referred to repeatedly as “my God-denying opponent.”

  • busterggi

    I routinely deny invisible fairies, Avenger. Denying the existance of non-existant things is only asserting reality.

  • A Masked Avenger

    I routinely deny invisible fairies, Avenger. Denying the existance of non-existant things is only asserting reality.

    Yes. Agreed. However, calling someone a denier to is face is, depending on context, akin to calling him dumbass to his face. Yes, he may well be a dumbass. And yes, you may routinely refer to him as a dumbass. But if he’s serving your table, and you say, “Get me a coffee, dumbass,” then I hope you like phlegm in your coffee.

  • D. C. Sessions

    Never had a problem being a “homeopathy denier” “witchcraft denier” or for that matter “Satan denier.” The last being worn as a badge of honor by a whole bunch of Christians, I would note.

  • naturalcynic

    OK, so sorry that I called you a denier. That was sheer overstatement.

    You’re a denialist. Feel better now.

  • blf

    From The Encyclopedia of American Loons:

    He … has claimed that environmentalism is genocide, and is one of the most ardent proponents of the DDT hoax. Spencer is nevertheless counted one of the most respected and cited and credible AGW skeptics (denialists), which should tell you quite a bit about AGW skepticism.

    Diagnosis: A severe case of crank-magnetism, Spencer is your typical example of a crackpot with credentials, whose credibility is nonetheless approximately equal to Russell Humphreys’s. He is very influential, however, and a real threat to the world.

  • zmidponk

    @A Masked Avenger, the whole problem is that the science is pretty much settled – global warming is happening, and humans are the cause. The objections that are raised to that proposition are based on something other than facts and evidence, totally ignore certain facts and evidence, or both, so calling a person who does this a ‘global warming denier’ is simply providing a perfectly accurate description. As for the point about an atheist being called a ‘God denier’, I have been called a God denier before. My response is usually something along the lines of ‘yes, and I’m also a unicorn denier and a fairy denier, all for much the same reasons.’ It’s not inherently bad to be called a denier, as it really only hurts your position if you’re denying something that can fairly easily shown to be true.

  • Nick Gotts

    The usual term is “denialist”, and while it’s certainly used of Holocaust denialists, it’s also used of moon landing denialists, smoking-causes-cancer denialists, HIV-causes-AIDS denialists, evolution denialists… so the common theme is that of persistently and argumentatively denying something for which there is an overwhelmingly strong scientific or historical case. So its use wirth regard to Roy Spencer is entirely unexceptionable – except to a denialist.

  • freehand

    A Masked Avenger: So if atheists were called “God deniers,” would they cheerfully reply, “Yup! I contradict your theism!”.

    .

    I’m perfectly OK with that. I would then point however that in modern discourse the term “denier” is usually used for those who reject a claim despite reasonable evidence for it, and would ask the theist once again what evidence he has. He would, once again, quote the bible at me*. It does not

    mean “holocaust denier”. I refuse to give up a perfectly good word without a fight.

    .

    .

    * Assuming he’s Christian. And male.

  • colnago80

    Re zmidzonk @ #19

    Settled. Read what Charles Krauthammer has to say on the subject of any scientific theory being settled. I guess that Krauthammer would argue that the inverse square law of gravity is not settled.

    http://goo.gl/PG2lsk

  • caseloweraz

    Former NASA scientist Dr. Roy Spencer is sick of being labeled a global warming ‘denier’ by politicians and environmentalists. So sick of it, in fact, that he’s going to start calling detractors “global warming Nazis” until he is no longer called a “denier.”

    So we can call him “he who refuses to accept scientific truth” or some other circumlocution that cannot possibly be linked to holocaust denial.

  • Mark Weber

    “English — how the fuck does that work?”

    It works a lot like magnets, actually.

  • dexitroboper

    It works a lot like magnets, actually.

    Nah, that’s Polish.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dale.husband dalehusband

    I have written about Spencer and his phony stances:

    http://dalehusband.com/2010/01/17/another-phony-global-warming-denialist-busted/

    http://dalehusband.com/2011/07/28/roy-spencer-pulls-another-misleading-stunt/

    He may have the job of a scientist, but he clearly abuses his position.

  • dingojack

    From the Fundie training manual:

    … There’s glory for you!’

    ‘I don’t know what you mean by “glory”,’ Alice said.

    Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. ‘Of course you don’t — till I tell you. I meant “there’s a nice knock-down argument for you!”‘

    ‘But “glory” doesn’t mean “a nice knock-down argument”,’ Alice objected.

    ‘When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’

    ‘The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’

    ‘The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.’

    Alice was too much puzzled to say anything; so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again. ‘They’ve a temper, some of them — particularly verbs: they’re the proudest — adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs — however, I can manage the whole lot of them! Impenetrability! That’s what I say!’

    ‘Would you tell me please,’ said Alice, ‘what that means?’

    ‘Now you talk like a reasonable child,’ said Humpty Dumpty, looking very much pleased. ‘I meant by “impenetrability” that we’ve had enough of that subject, and it would be just as well if you’d mention what you mean to do next, as I suppose you don’t mean to stop here all the rest of your life.’

    ‘That’s a great deal to make one word mean,’ Alice said in a thoughtful tone.

    ‘When I make a word do a lot of work like that,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘I always pay it extra.’

    ‘Oh!’ said Alice. She was too much puzzled to make any other remark.

    ‘Ah, you should see ’em come round me of a Saturday night,’ Humpty Dumpty went on, wagging his head gravely from side to side, ‘for to get their wages, you know.’

    (Alice didn’t venture to ask what he paid them with; and so you see I can’t tell you.)

    @@

    Dingo

  • Ichthyic

    And they can’t pump up ground water. Anymore. They’ve been mining the aquifiers for decades and the water table is now 2,400 feet deep and the water is salty. A lot of the central valley used to be a wetland.

    on top of all that, there is no more federal water available for CA either. No more Colorado River water.

    saw this coming 10 years ago.

    better hope CA can afford to build a lot of desal plants… sooner rather than later.

  • Ichthyic

    . But it carries the connotation that they’re contradicting something that is true, and hence that their denial is false. It implies that they are at least wrong, if not also deranged. It does that because the word “denial” marks itself as the non-default position.

    no…. you’re ignoring the history to come to a false conclusion about why this is.

    all those connotations have come not because the word denialist in and of itself means those things, it’s because dozens of case examples of denialism have shown us that very often, the people behind the denialism REALLY ARE deranged.

    the label has taken on the connotations from direct experience, it didn’t start out that way.

    I’d have said he’s slightly less crazy than you make him sound.

    he’s actually far MORE crazy than you think.

    …and in the case of Ray Spencer, creationist, you could happily apply the actual term “deranged” instead of just the connotation carried by the history of the term “denialist”.

  • Ichthyic

    Read what Charles Krauthammer has to say

    egads why? the man is a buffoon.

  • Ichthyic

    I hope you like phlegm in your coffee.

    good thing I tend not to drink coffee with dumbasses then. Problem solved!

  • joseph

    The right has been trying to use the climate denier = nazi denier for a while now. It’s part of their trick to turn language their opponents use against them.

  • StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    Good article on this here :

    http://climatecrocks.com/2014/02/24/climate-contrarians-cling-to-cracked-and-creaky-claims/

    and some great comments there too including one by ‘ubrew12’ which saliently notes :

    But, here is what really caught my attention: He also complained about the use of the term ‘denier’. And yet, just one paragraph later he calls those concerned about Global Warming ‘whores’, quoting Deuteronomy. He repeats the slander a paragraph on: ‘But whoring is whoring and the [Earth] gods must be appeased’. What sort of sympathy does that ‘denier’ seek to elicit through this tactic?

    If real Nazi’s and real Whores could somehow sue for trademark infringement, we might yet rescue the English language.

    What a total hypocrite and tool Spencer is.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    “I’m now going to start calling these people “global warming Nazis.’”

    And this is different from already-observed Republitarian behavior…how?

    The fact that this guy thinks he’s doing something new, really says a lot about his intelligence.

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    “Just as in a theist/atheist debate, the atheist would not appreciate being referred to repeatedly as “my God-denying opponent.””

    I’m perfectly okay with some delusional GODbot calling me a GODdenier. Shit, I would hope that they have at least that much awareness.

    Raven@12:

    Deluge/Undeluge. Dude, it’s, like:

    “the Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord.– Job 1: 20-21 (KJV)”

    (Source: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=736)

    It’s Babblical.

  • dingojack

    Funnily enough, ‘denier’* first appears in the English Language about 500 years before Hitler was even born.

    Have you ‘global Warming Nazis’ been playing with Obama’s Wayback Machine again?

    @@

    Dingo

    ——–

    * not to be confused with ‘denier’ /dəˈnɪər , or especially for the former meaning,, ˈdɛnyər; French dəˈnyeɪ/ a unit of weight (and therefore sheerness) in silk, nylon and similar fabrics or a small French coin of low value similar to an English penny.

  • dingojack

    Know who else was a denier?

    Dingo

  • colnago80

    Hey, where is Sir Lancelot? About time for the blog’s resident climate change denier to comment here and defend his hero.

  • colnago80

    Re Ichthyic @ #30

    Krauthammer isn’t a clown, he’s a shill for the Rethuglican Party.

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    @39:

    Krauthammer is a multi-tasker, he can do both.