Lively: Gay People Can’t think Straight

Every once in a while you read something that is such a staggering example of psychological projection that it just leaves you shaking your head. Here’s a perfect example from Scott Lively, who says that gay people and those who advocate equality can’t think rationally.

One of the most serious but least discussed consequences of choosing a homosexual lifestyle is the loss of critical-thinking skills. What is worse, this malady seems to spread fairly easily to non-homosexuals who closely associate with people in the LGBT community (though this observation is by definition unscientific since there exists no objective standard for determining if someone is “gay,” thus a person’s self-declaration is the only measure).

From the inability to distinguish disagreement from “hate” or tolerance from approval, to conflating sex and love, homosexualists (i.e. anyone “gay” or straight who advocates for the mainstreaming of homosexuality) just can’t think straight.

For example, any clear-thinking person can see that basing a right to marry solely on romantic attraction opens the marriage door to many other deviant relationships: polygamy, polyandry, incest, pederasty and even pedophilia. Somehow homosexualists can’t see it.

It is also self-evident that all human beings are heterosexual by design. It is simply unarguable that all sexuality, even the awareness of having a sexual nature, derives from this obvious physiological reality. Yet homosexualists (without a shred of proof after decades of scientific efforts) not only insist that “homosexual orientation” is normal and innate, but that it is impossible for a self-declared “gay” or lesbian to ever reorient to heterosexuality in conformity with the design of his or her body … even when their illogic is being challenged by former homosexuals!

The guy who claims that the Nazis were gay people who set out to kill other gay people thinks we can’t think clearly.

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  • sugarfrosted

    Hey Ed Brayton. On my android phone I’m getting an add with a yes/no dialogue for something that I’m assuming will install spyware on my phone. It’s called “Clean Master”. Claims it will “clean my phone”. Just thought this should be brought to your attention.

    On topic: This is exactly like a recent onion article: http://www.theonion.com/articles/closeminded-man-not-even-willing-to-hear-out-argum,35379/

  • Matrim

    Bit of a tangent, but I’m always mildly surprised by religious folks who group polygamy in with “deviant” lifestyles. I think they may need to read their holy book a bit more, they seem to be overlooking something.

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    choosing a homosexual lifestyle is the loss of critical-thinking skills. What is worse, this malady seems to spread fairly easily

    Maladies are non-choices, whereas choices are. Make up your mind which it is. (hint: you’re wrong)

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    Claims it will “clean my phone”

    Maybe it’s an app that you pay $10 and it’ll delete itself. Some friends of mine and I were joking about writing one.

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    It is simply unarguable that all sexuality, even the awareness of having a sexual nature, derives from this obvious physiological reality.

    It’s actually very easy to argue; one merely has to observe the many of our animal cousins that practice same-sex mating rituals as a way or learning or demonstrating dominance.

  • grumpyoldfart

    The guy who claims that the Nazis were gay people who set out to kill other gay people thinks we can’t think clearly.

    He’s not thinking. He only thinks he’s thinking.

  • cptdoom

    It is also self-evident that all human beings are heterosexual by design. It is simply unarguable that all sexuality, even the awareness of having a sexual nature, derives from this obvious physiological reality.

    Well, back here on earth, where the sky is blue (Lord only knows what color the sky is in Lively’s world), we have human beings who are intersex – are they “heterosexual by design”? And what exactly does that mean for a woman with Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome, whose genes are male, but whose physical body is female? Is she designed to mate with men or women? Does it matter that she’s infertile?

    When one is thinking rationally, one knows that an example such as the above, which totally undermines one’s premise, then one must rethink one’s premise. Perhaps, Mr. Lively, it is possible that human biology is just a bit more complex than you understand.

    Nah, it must be a conspiracy of “homosexualists” and those we somehow infect with irrational thoughts who are out to destroy civilization. That’s way more reasonable.

  • http://freethoughtblogs.com/axp/ Martin Wagner

    Always interesting to see how often “former” homosexuals are caught slipping in and out of gay clubs, thinking they’re doing so incognito. Or maybe being gay really is a choice, and these people just choose to flip their sexual orientation switch one or two nights a week.

    And I see Lively is echolng Bill Donahue’s line that marriage isn’t about love. Interesting, as well, how so many of these demagogues who lecture us all on what love is and is not have clearly never experienced any themselves.

    Final thought: reason and rational thought are a bit like sex. If you’re inclined to brag about how much more of it you have, and how better you are at it, than everyone else, odds are the reality is quite the opposite. Google “overcompensating.”

  • RickR

    On my darker days, I’ve wished that Scott Lively would contract a horrible, incurable terminal illness that slowly rots his dick off. After all the harm he’s gleefully dedicated his life’s effort to perpetrating against gay people, I can’t think of a more deserving candidate.

    These thoughts must be examples of some of that “homosexualist irrationality”.

  • Michael Heath

    grumpyoldfart:

    He’s not thinking. He only thinks imagines he’s thinking.

    FTFY.

  • Dave Maier

    the inability to distinguish disagreement from “hate” or tolerance from approval

    Ay caramba!

  • http://Reallyawakeguy.blogspot.com somnus

    So the other day a friend of mine posted a FB article by an “ex gay” woman about how, through God, it really is possible to change. But what was most interesting about the article was that the author never claimed that she changed into someone who is attracted to and has genuinely fulfilling romantic relationships with men. What she said is that, under a stream of constant pressure from her highly religious family, she became someone who genuinely believes she deserves to be torture for all eternity for acting on her same sexy attactions.

    That doesn’t sound to me like “reorienting” toward heterosexuality. It sounds like self-hatred.

  • noe1951

    “One of the most serious but least discussed consequences of choosing a homosexual lifestyle is the loss of critical-thinking skills. ”

    This bit of projection is so easy to explain. With all the obsession over anal sex, and since I’m pretty sure Scott Lively pulls his thoughts directly out of his ass, he probably worries that anal sex would impede his thinking.

  • John Pieret

    From the inability to distinguish disagreement from “hate” or tolerance from approval

    Whoa! Ed’s very next post about Matt Barber quoted Barber as saying ““Gay pride” necessitates anti-Christian hate. It must.”

    And what about those wedding cake bakers can’t distinguish between tolerating gay marriages by baking a cake, just like they do for every other customer, from approving those marriages.

    “Projection” doesn’t do what Lively is doing justice.

  • http://timgueguen.blogspot.com timgueguen

    I wonder what Lively thinks stops straight people from marrying based solely on romantic attraction. Somehow I doubt the people he knows get married to cement alliances between their families, or have their future spouse chosen for them by their parents.

  • blf

    [A]ny clear-thinking person can see that basing a right to marry solely on romantic attraction opens the marriage door to many other deviant relationships: polygamy, polyandry, incest, pederasty and even pedophilia.

    Any clear-thinking person can see that basing a right to marry solely on being of different sexes opens the marriage door to many other deviant relationships: polygamy, polyandry, incest, and even pedophilia.

  • notruescott

    I’m sure when he proposed to his wife he told her “I wish to mate with you so I might create offspring. If you are fertile, let’s go register our coupling with the local political and ecclesiastical authorities”. Because everybody knows marriage is not about love and never has been (except those fascist-libruls at Hallmark).

  • matty1

    polygamy, polyandry, incest, pederasty and even pedophilia.

    The items in this list do not belong together. While there may be valid arguments against legally recognising multiple partners or treating an adult brother and sister as married these things do not inherently* involve the harm and gross violation of trust that child abuse does. Conflating them in this way trivialises the suffering of real victims and demonizes some consensual relationships.

    *Emphasis on the inherently, I am well aware that many polygamous marriages are abusive but they should be criticised for that, not for the number of people involved unless we want to argue that every case of domestic abuse in a one man one woman marriage is an argument against monogamy.

  • felidae

    So, religiosity improves your critical thinking skills and ability to reason logically, so Lively has demonstrated that he is a paragon of rationality in this little screed–I read it in this book,the book says its true, so therefore I believe its true with no objective evidence, QED

  • http://festeringscabofrealityblogspot.com fifthdentist

    If he changed “homosexual” to “Christian” in his first sentence, he’d be onto something.

  • Ichthyic

    I’m sure when he proposed to his wife he told her “I wish to mate with you so I might create offspring. If you are fertile, let’s go register our coupling with the local political and ecclesiastical authorities”. Because everybody knows marriage is not about love and never has been (except those fascist-libruls at Hallmark).

    eh… don’t be too shocked if that isn’t too far from accurate. I know marriages that basically started just like that.

  • Ichthyic

    too bad we have to wait until 2015 to see if Lively is going to actually be prosecuted for his bullshit.

  • leonardschneider

    “… to conflating sex and love…”

    I’ll take a stab in the dark as to what this pud is trying to communicate, by guessing he means sex and romantic love.

    Well… Shit. I guess that my wife and I have been doing it wrong all this time, not to mention former girlfriends of mine. With a few of them in my young-and-horny days, we were conflating two or three times a day, given the time and opportunity. My wife and I are getting a bit older, so we only conflate a few times a week.

    Can’t help but feel sorry for Lively’s wife:

    “Please honey, it’s been weeks!”

    “I’m sorry dear, but engaging in coital activity with you would simply confuse us both. By denying you the potentially sinful act of intercourse, the more it proves I love you.”

    “Wait, wait. When did it become ‘potentially sinful?'”

    “Don’t you remember? In August, you wanted to be on your hands and knees, facing away from me.”

    “Oh for chrissake— Yeah, doggy style. It’s called doggy style. Just flippin’ say doggy style!”

    “Do not speak like a harlot in my presence!”

    “(*sigh*) Fine, whatever. I’m running to the store.”

    “Oh? What do we need?”

    “We’re out of AA batteries. Again.”

    ———————————————–

    Slightly off-topic:

    The English language fucked up when it came to the word “love.” We use it to describe affection for anything, in any circumstance. Other languages have different words for “love” which are used for specific situations. F’r instance, English uses the same word whether I make the statement “I love my wife” or “I love my new hiking boots.” Greek has different words which both mean “love,” but are used contextually. So, a Greek may interpret my statement as, “I am romantically and sexually attracted to my new hiking boots.”

  • dingojack

    Leonard – English (in this) owes more to Latin than Greek. [See also ‘caritas’].

    Dingo