Land: God Might Kill Gay Christians

The loathsome Richard Land of the Southern Baptist Convention was on the FRC’s radio show on Thursday and told a caller who was talking about arguing with a gay Christian a story about how God once killed a Christian who left the church and said he might do the same to gay Christians.

Land: If this person has had a genuine experience with the Lord and they have trusted the Lord as their Savior, I believe that this person will be in Heaven. Having said that, is this person in an active homosexual relationship?

Caller: He is at this point, yes.

Land: Well I believe that the Lord also says that those who are his children he will chastise and he will spank. If a Christian is in a homosexual relationship or if a Christian is in an adulterous relationship for instance, outside of marriage, a heterosexual relationship, God will seek to convict that person and God will chastise that person and God will judge that person. Let me just give you an answer that’s analogous: When I was in my first church, I was pastor of a church in New Orleans when I was a seminary student, I had a woman in the church who had become a Christian and she got involved through a personal relationship with a man, she got involved in Satanic worship and she went around the French Quarter saying that she used to think that Jesus was the messiah but that now she believed the Devil was the angel of light.

I went to her and I talked to her about 1 Corinthians 5 where Paul says to give over someone for the destruction of the body for the salvation of the soul. I talked to her about 1 Corinthians 11 and I said, ‘If you are really a believer, then God’s not going to let you be a stumbling block and God’s not going to let you continue in this kind of sin, and God will chastise you and God will ultimately remove you if necessary. Now if you go along and nothing happens to you, then I have to believe that you were never part of us and 1 John 2:19 applies, you’ve gone out from us because you were never part of us and you went out from us that it might be made manifest you were not part of us.’

She rejected my counsel and six weeks later at the age of around 25 she dropped dead of a cerebral hemorrhage. I believe that God removed her because she was his child and she was a stumbling block to others. So if this person goes on and is perfectly happy in this homosexual relationship and nothing happens to him, then I would have to believe that he has never had a conversion experience. If he has had a conversion experience, the Lord is not going to let him go, the Lord is going to continue to convict him and to chastise him, to bring him back, as he did David.

And he worships this god who allegedly strikes people down for not worshiping him (not to mention burns billions of people in hell for the same thing). Because that’s totally rational and moral.

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  • LightningRose

    Yahweh, if you accept it’s existence, kills everybody.

    And he starts by aborting over half the “unborn” by the end of the first trimester.

    http://www.babycenter.com/0_understanding-miscarriage_252.bc

  • John Pieret

    She rejected my counsel and six weeks later at the age of around 25 she dropped dead of a cerebral hemorrhage.

    Um … if your god is omniscient, why did he wait six weeks? He already knew she was a stumbling block to others and wasn’t going to change.

    Oh, right! god works through confirmation bias in mysterious ways.

  • Matt

    Wouldn’t you think God would have killed Hitler before he came to power? A loving God would have taken out Richard Land a long time ago.

  • busterggi

    “the Lord also says that those who are his children he will chastise and he will spank.”

    The lord is big on bondage (don’t get much more bound than nailed to a cross) and domination (spank, spank).

    What a kinky deity.

  • Chris J

    If she didn’t drop dead, he would just have assumed she was never a true believer. Because apparently if you are not a true believer and do bad things, God leaves you alone. If you are a true believer and do bad things, God kills you.

    I’m not a big fan of Pascal, but I’m pretty sure in this case I’d wager on disbelief. It’s better for my health.

  • raven

    Richard Land:

    I had a woman in the church who had become a Christian and she got involved through a personal relationship with a man, she got involved in Satanic worship and she went around the French Quarter saying that she used to think that Jesus was the messiah but that now she believed the Devil was the angel of light.

    She rejected my counsel and six weeks later at the age of around 25 she dropped dead of a cerebral hemorrhage.

    Who believes this? Chances are very high it is just another lie. Fundies lie all the time, that being one of their major sacraments.

    The fact that Richard Land is still alive is powerful evidence that the xian god doesn’t exist. If he did exist, Land would have long ago ended up as a smudge of soot after a lightning strike.

  • Pierce R. Butler

    The word “spank” appears nowhere in the King James Bible.

  • Synfandel

    Sounds like a strong argument for not getting involved in Christianity in the first place. Once you’re in, you can never leave on penalty of death by smiting.

  • Reginald Selkirk

    The word “spank” appears nowhere in the King James Bible.

    That is a true fact. And neither does the word “spunk.”

  • Wylann

    It needs to be done:

    Spank me first.

  • anubisprime

    she believed the Devil was the angel of light

    Quite right to…they don’t call him ‘Lucifer’ because it is a fancy name!

  • http://www.gregory-gadow.net Gregory in Seattle

    Another Talibangelical issues a fatwah. Or whatever the Christianists call them.

  • hexidecima

    “If he has had a conversion experience, the Lord is not going to let him go, the Lord is going to continue to convict him and to chastise him, to bring him back, as he did David.”

    Ah yes, when this supposed god murdered David’s son for something David supposedly did. I am always glad to see that this god is so stupid to not actually punish the people supposedly responsible for doing something to piss it off.

  • Moggie

    Synfandel:

    Sounds like a strong argument for not getting involved in Christianity in the first place. Once you’re in, you can never leave on penalty of death by smiting.

    Doesn’t the Mafia operate on similar lines?

  • Kevin Kehres

    Nice myth. The cerebral hemorrhage thing is a good touch.

  • Matt G

    The real question is, who’s going to do His dirty work for him? I’m sure many would jump at the chance.

  • http://Reallyawakeguy.blogspot.com somnus

    God might kill anybody at any time for any (or no) reason at all. So what?

    Of course, this is all about discrediting former believers and keeping fear alive for the current ones. “You can’t believe them if they’re alive, because that means they were never real Christians anyway. And if they’re dead… well, that’s just what’s waiting for you if you give in to your doubts.”

    But of course his distinctions are nonsensical anyway. Why would a “True Christian’s” deconversion be any more of a stumbling block to other believers than a “false Christian’s,” if so far as everyone else knew they were both genuine? There’s no observable difference between them. It’s just making people scared of unprovable crap.

  • Carlos Cabanita

    Punish the faithful, let the unfaithful alone. That logic was once applied when the Portuguese ruled Goa, in India, in the XVI, XVII and XVIII centuries. They had an office of the Inquisition in the city. It’s mission was to police Christians, to squash any heretical idea. The hindu and muslim people were left alone. The missionaries tried very hard to convert the local people but, unless they had very much to gain by associating themselves with the Europeans, it was a bad deal. By becoming Christians, they would be liable to be terrorized, tortured or even burned by the Inquisition. That’s what happened with the geat botanist Garcia d’Horta. The Inquisition was instructing a process of heresy about him, but he died before they could condemn him. So they dug out the corpse and burned it in an auto da fé.

  • http://onhandcomments.blogspot.com/ left0ver1under

    The first thing to my mind was “marine todd”, the pathetic and passive-aggressive story about the marnie (not a typo) who assaults an atheist professor and claims “god” sent him.

    Before the civil rights era, “They’ll get what’s coming to them” was code for “open season” on a person being named. Claiming “god will kill them” is said for the same reasons, to incite violence.

  • pamsmigh

    So much for “god doesn’t interfere” and free-will.

  • birgerjohansson

    Um, unless gay christians have suddenly become immortal, they will die sooner or later. Will Richard Bland claim they were all killed by Zod?

  • birgerjohansson

    “she got involved in Satanic worship and she went around the French Quarter saying that she used to think that Jesus was the messiah but that now she believed the Devil was the angel of light”

    Richard Gland needs to provide proof of this. Can we get a note from the Church of Satan confirming that X was a member? Can we see the autopsy report?

  • eric

    So if this person goes on and is perfectly happy in this homosexual relationship and nothing happens to him, then I would have to believe that he has never had a conversion experience.

    Behold! I give unto you the No True Scotsman argument.

    Which in this context STILL doesn’t make sense. Seems to me that a misbehaving unbeliever would be just as much a “stumbling block to others” as a misbehaving believer – so why smite the second but not the first? Actually, isn’t a misbehaving unbeliever just a sinner with one extra sin (compared to the misbehaving believer)? Seems to me that her theology should indicate that they would deserve it more.

  • roggg

    I confidently predict that ALL gay christians will die. Checkmate atheists!

  • Thumper: Token Breeder

    If he has had a conversion experience, the Lord is not going to let him go, the Lord is going to continue to convict him and to chastise him, to bring him back, as he did David.

    That sounds an awful lot like an abusive relationship. I find it staggering that practising Christians don’t spot these obvious paralells.

  • eric

    That sounds an awful lot like an abusive relationship. I find it staggering that practising Christians don’t spot these obvious paralells.

    Actually I think it’s worse than what “abusive relationship” normally implies. To me that conjures up images of an abusive adult relationship – e.g., hitting your spouse when they do something you don’t like. But these folks are (IMO) using parent-child imagery rather than adult-adult imagery. So they are drawing a parallel between God’s actions ‘hit your kid’ type of behavior (rather than ‘hit your spouse). Now of course both are awful, but in my mind hitting your kid is the more despicable behavior.

  • eveedream

    “I believe that God removed her because she was his child and she was a stumbling block to others.”

    Did anyone else catch the “it’s okay to kill your kids” creep factor there?

  • D. C. Sessions

    That sounds an awful lot like an abusive relationship. I find it staggering that practising Christians don’t spot these obvious paralells.

    What makes you think they don’t? They’re pretty clear on the whole business of “God as role model.”

  • freehand

    Thumper: Token Breeder: “If he has had a conversion experience, the Lord is not going to let him go, the Lord is going to continue to convict him and to chastise him, to bring him back, as he did David. ”

    That sounds an awful lot like an abusive relationship. I find it staggering that practising Christians don’t spot these obvious paralells.

    .

    In an abusive parent-child relationship, one of the striking characteristics is that the child utterly denies unfair treatment. Usually they are capable of admitting it only if an adult in their life will say it is clearly to the child, or sometimes later when the child is an adult.

    .

    Even sane Christians in a relatively mellow church will be very uncomfortable with seeing these parallels. The bible myths are much more comprehensible when seen in this light in my opinion. As well as adult Fundamentalist behavior.