Loudon Tells Lots of Lies

If you have to be a political columnist, the Worldnetdaily is really the ideal place to work. You don’t have to have the facts at all, you can just make shit up all day long and no one will care or even notice. Gina Loudon’s latest column is a perfect example as she lies over and over and over again.

President Obama is selling out American sovereignty at every turn. He did it with unilateral missile disarmament and his constant bent to fix our Constitution, which he believes is the problem. He does it with the constant reverence for international law, of himself, and all his judicial appointees. He did it when he canceled the space shuttle program and made America dependent on Russia for trip to the American … err International Space Station.

Really? Obama canceled the shuttle program and made us dependent on the International Space Station? I wonder what George W. Bush might have had to say about that back in, oh let’s says 2004, before Obama was even in the Senate:

Inspired by all that has come before, and guided by clear objectives, today we set a new course for America’s space program. We will give NASA a new focus and vision for future exploration. We will build new ships to carry man forward into the universe, to gain a new foothold on the moon, and to prepare for new journeys to worlds beyond our own…

Today I announce a new plan to explore space and extend a human presence across our solar system. We will begin the effort quickly, using existing programs and personnel. We’ll make steady progress — one mission, one voyage, one landing at a time.

Our first goal is to complete the International Space Station by 2010. We will finish what we have started, we will meet our obligations to our 15 international partners on this project. We will focus our future research aboard the station on the long-term effects of space travel on human biology. The environment of space is hostile to human beings. Radiation and weightlessness pose dangers to human health, and we have much to learn about their long-term effects before human crews can venture through the vast voids of space for months at a time. Research on board the station and here on Earth will help us better understand and overcome the obstacles that limit exploration. Through these efforts we will develop the skills and techniques necessary to sustain further space exploration.

To meet this goal, we will return the Space Shuttle to flight as soon as possible, consistent with safety concerns and the recommendations of the Columbia Accident Investigation Board. The Shuttle’s chief purpose over the next several years will be to help finish assembly of the International Space Station. In 2010, the Space Shuttle — after nearly 30 years of duty — will be retired from service.

Google: How the fuck does that work?

We can’t say we weren’t warned about all this trickery. Our first clue was when Obama instructed the director of NASA that his goal was no longer space travel, but rather the goal of NASA was to go make friends with Muslims.

Uh, what?

His most glaring violation of American sovereignty may be his agreement to simply give away American control of the Internet to the “global community.”…

So now Obama is handing the global community the ability to control our speech, and our technological advances. The international body will have the ability to control us by controlling our speech, and we handed it to them. What are we getting in return?

This may be the most historic outrage in the history of this country, if not the world, and it happened while they entertained us with bread and circuses.

It’s the MOST HISTORIC OUTRAGE IN THE HISTORY OF THE COUNTRY, MAYBE EVEN THE WORLD! Slavery? The Third Reich? Pol Pot? Stalin’s purges? Soviet gulags? They pale in comparison to the outrage that Gina Loudon is inventing inside her head and sharing with her readers. WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!

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  • dugglebogey

    There’s a running joke we tell at the office, and I suspect it’s actually a popular joke in the culture. When something bad happens, especially something common like a computer blue screens, the user says “My computer blue-screened. Thanks Obama!”

  • eric

    He does it with the constant reverence for international law, of himself, and all his judicial appointees.

    First, I would be glad to have a President that deferred to judicial appointees on legal matters. That, um, seems to be the way the system was supposed to work. But secondly, WHAT appointees? The GOP has blocked practically every nominee and prevented the vast, vast majority of empty federal judicial jobs from getting filled.

  • scienceavenger

    @1 We do that around the house all the time. Obama sure is busy these days.

    President Obama is selling out American sovereignty at every turn. He did it with unilateral missile disarmament…

    Huh? Doing something unilaterally is about the most sovereign thing one can do. Her teatard talking point mad lib must be jammed.

    …when Obama instructed the director of NASA that his goal was no longer space travel, but rather the goal of NASA was to go make friends with Muslims

    Yep, it was suposed to say “go fuel the global warming scam to get their grant money from homosexual activists like George Soros. Benghazi!”

  • http://www.pandasthumb.org Area Man

    He did it with unilateral missile disarmament…

    Unilateral. Now exactly the same thing as bilateral.

  • http://www.thelosersleague.com theschwa

    Any word on when NASA will finally make contact (and then friends) with the Muslims on Mars?

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    How do you unilaterally do something that involves two countries?

  • http://www.pandasthumb.org Area Man

    Our first clue was when Obama instructed the director of NASA that his goal was no longer space travel, but rather the goal of NASA was to go make friends with Muslims.

    Well of course. It’s important to make friends with beings from other planets.

  • Synfandel

    He does it with the constant reverence for international law, of himself, and all his judicial appointees.

    Yeah, respecting international law (which, by the way, President Obama often does not) is a total sell-out. What American needs is a global Baby Face Nelson.

  • Synfandel

    How do you unilaterally do something that involves two countries?

    Right on, Modusoperandi! When the US invaded Iraq, it was a bilateral arrangement between them.

  • eamick

    Our first clue was when Obama instructed the director of NASA that his goal was no longer space travel, but rather the goal of NASA was to go make friends with Muslims.

    How would NASA make friends with Muslims? Let’s see. They could let, say, a Saudi astronaut participate in a mission the way Ronald Reagan did in 1985. Just once I wish they’d actually try to come up with something plausible. Just bloody once.

  • StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    He did it when he canceled the space shuttle program and made America dependent on Russia for trip to the American … err International Space Station.

    In fairness it must be noted that the International Space Station sort of vaguely grew out of the original idea of the USA’s idea of building a (2nd -post Skylab) space station of their own provisionally named ‘Freedom’ or so I think I recall.

    Also the Space Shuttle has been retired on Obama’s watch – he may not have ordered it but he didn’t un-order it as he might have and Obama rejected the idea of a lunar return and cancelled the Constellation program just as it was starting to -quite literally take off :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3S81-a9F84

    I’m certainly not the only one to find Obama’s space policy appalling and a huge backwards step. Nor is this guy although he sums it up marvellously :

    “We had our hands on spaceships and we learned how to make them increasingly safer and then Washington pulled the plug. … We won’t have the ability to put an American on the space station, in an American rocket, for at least a decade,” he says. He doesn’t hide his disappointment with President Barack Obama. “We all knew for years that the Shuttle program had a sunset but Constellation was supposed to provide human access to the space station. When Obama cancelled Constellation, he cancelled the pride that every American should have in our accomplishments. One half of one percent of the federal budget funds NASA and they can’t afford this program?”

    – Gregory Cecil, Space Shuttle tile technician quoted on page 47, “Throttle down” article in ‘Air & Space’ magazine, Nov 2010.

    Many others including Neil Armstrong have condemned Obama’s space policy – for that and other reasons.

    As for #10 eamick :

    Our first clue was when Obama instructed the director of NASA that his goal was no longer space travel, but rather the goal of NASA was to go make friends with Muslims.

    Emphasis added. I think the key part there is the bit I’ve bolded. NASA ‘s main priority has to be space travel – not diplomacy although it can help diplomacy by things like the Apollo-Soyuz link up, the ISS and flying foreign nationals such as Saudi prince Sultan bin Salman on STS-51 G (Discovery orbiter.) The United States got the first Arab and Muslim into space, which I presume is what you refer to. Gee, that sure has worked a treat and made them all love the US of A hasn’t it?

    Gratitude. The Muslims lack it. It’s hard to make friends when one side keeps on hating you whatever good you do or offer for them.

  • StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    Yes, ‘Muslim’ used in my comment (#11) above is a generalisation although probably one that holds true for the vast majority of them. Word used in the same broad sense that we use ‘Americans’ or ‘Russians’ or’ Christians’ or ‘atheists’ or whatever in general normal conversations without the clunkiness of the implied “almost but not quite all, in general with caveats for X, Y, Z who aren’t like the majority of group X. (Shouldn’t really need to add that but since some commenters here always leap to erroneous conclusions too eagerly. Sigh.)

    I’m sure a few more reasonable Muslims are really grateful for the USA flying Saudi and Iranians nationals like Sultan bin Salman and Iranian -American space tourist Anousheh Ansari among the many other things the West has done to help and befriend and appease the wider Muslim world.

  • sinned34

    Google: How the fuck does that work?

    Liberal anti-Christian, baby-eating, black magic, that’s how. Benghazi!

  • dingojack

    Uh Stevo – ” NASA ‘s main priority has to be space travel ”

    Mar Rovers, Cassini, New Horizon etc. etc.

    ” Saudi prince Sultan bin Salman “*

    You are aware that Saudi Arabia is one of the West’s best Arab allies in the Middle East, right?

    Dingo

    ——–

    * STS-51-G launched on June 17, 1985, with HRH Prince Sultan bin Salman as the second Payload Specialist. And who was the Prez at that time again? Obama? No that’s not right….

  • http://www.pandasthumb.org Area Man

    Oh for fuck’s sake. If your Islamophobia is so acute that you have to twist yourself into a pretzel to agree with that gibbering idiocy written by WND, you’ve got serious problems and should rethink your life.

  • bushrat

    In defense of Gina Loudon, she is very, very stupid. She probably can’t really help saying monumentally stupid things.

  • Pierce R. Butler

    dugglebogey @ # 1: When something bad happens, … the user says “… Thanks Obama!”

    I thought we had cultural consensus from now on to blame all that on Rebecca Watson.

  • Michael Heath

    dugglebogey writes:

    There’s a running joke we tell at the office, and I suspect it’s actually a popular joke in the culture. When something bad happens, especially something common like a computer blue screens, the user says “My computer blue-screened. Thanks Obama!”

    If you want to see this behavior in a forum where it’s not considered a joke but instead a valid point, I suggest the reader comments at the Wall Street Journal.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Michael Heath. “If you want to see this behavior in a forum where it’s not considered a joke but instead a valid point, I suggest the reader comments at the Wall Street Journal.”

    I tried, but its comment section is blocked at work. Thanks, Obama!

  • fmitchell

    Her other outrage, ceding control of the Internet to ICANN (*not* the UN), has also been in the works for years. Other countries have complained loudly and long that a vital function of a worldwide computer network was in the hands of a single government. Now it’s in the hands of a U.S.-based nonprofit corporation. But I suppose anything less than total U.S. control of every piece of Internet hardware and software across the globe is unpatriotic. (Not that the NSA isn’t trying.) “Hey, France, we’ve come to repossess your Internet.”

    Also, I can’t help but notice that Bush chose 2010 as a target to end the shuttle program … two years after he would no longer be president. Or am I veering into Alex Jones territory?

  • colnago80

    Re StevoR @ #11

    I am afraid that I’m going to have to disagree with StevoR. Physicists Bob Park and Steven Weinberg have often opined that the human space program is a waste of scarce funding that contributes little or nothing to human knowledge. Certainly in comparison to the Hubble Space Telescope and the various robotic Mars landers. The manned space program made sense back in the 1960s but, given the sophistication of today’s robotics, is an anachronism.

    http://goo.gl/EBsvXy

  • StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    @ ^ colnago80 : Thanks for the link. Afraid we will just have to agree to disagree on that one – I’ll just note that the human space program has a lot more advantages and does a lot more for us than just delivering science and i certainly support the robotic missions such as the Mars Rovers, New Horizons and Hubble and other great robotic space observatories too. I don’t think these programs are mutually exclusive and feel sure we can and should do both.

    @ 15. Area Man :

    Oh for fuck’s sake. If your Islamophobia is so acute ..

    Actually I’m not Islamophobic or any of the other abusive terms some here have previously called me. I’m not so sure there’s really such a thing as “Islamophobia “anyway and many such as Hitchens I believe would strongly dispute such a notion is more than an attempt at silencing legitimate criticism of extremist Islam.

    I get on fine with Muslims and treat them as human individuals; I’ve had Muslim lecturers and Muslim neighbours and no problems with any of them. The majority of Muslims are fine by me.

    The problem I have with Islam and Muslims are those who engage in the Jihads, the Fatwahs and rioting over perceived insults to their ideology and its pedophile warlord founder and the terrorism that too many of them engage in so destructively around the world. One one religious ideology – Islam – is responsible for about two thirds or so of them worlds major terrorist groups and incidents I think its safe to say there is a problem with that ideology and it needs to change.

    Where exactly is your issue that that assessment – and who are you really supporting and why Area man? Are you a Muslim? Do you support Islamist ideology and think Jihads, Fatwahs and Terrorism are acceptable methods of achieving the goal of a world wide Sharia law Kaliphate?

    ..that you have to twist yourself into a pretzel to agree with that gibbering idiocy written by WND,..

    Reading comprehension & jumping to false conclusions FAIL on your part there Area man. If you read my actual comment properly you’d see that I’m far from fully agreeing with all that Louden wrote. I simply noted that there are at least a couple of points which Louden got right NOT endorsing all of what she said by any means. I disagree with much of what Louden wrote as well.

    ..you’ve got serious problems and should rethink your life.

    Projection much? That’s personal insult not logical evidence based argument -a tactic or debating style which you may want to rethink constantly using yourself. You may also want rethink demonising and being too judgemental against those like me who happen to disagree with you on the odd subject.

    @14. dingojack :

    Uh Stevo – ” NASA ‘s main priority has to be space travel ”

    Mar Rovers, Cassini, New Horizon etc. etc.

    Are marvellous missions and I think amongst the finest things Humanity has done. They have my full support and are exactly what NASA should be doing. I’m not sure of your point here.

    ” Saudi prince Sultan bin Salman “*

    You are aware that Saudi Arabia is one of the West’s best Arab allies in the Middle East, right?

    Of course.

    Dingo

    ——–

    * STS-51-G launched on June 17, 1985, with HRH Prince Sultan bin Salman as the second Payload Specialist. And who was the Prez at that time again? Obama? No that’s not right….

    .. The POTUS at the time was Ronald Reagan as #10. eamick observed and I confirmed. I wasn’t disagreeing with that or saying anything otherwise. I was actually expanding upon xie’s point and confirming it.

    Reagan tried reaching out to Muslims with NASA and launching the very first Muslim astronaut and helping them generally. It didn’t work back then. Muslims generally still hate us with an irrational intensity. Obama is now repeating that tactic. I wonder why he expects different results this time round?

  • http://www.pandasthumb.org Area Man

    Actually I’m not Islamophobic or any of the other abusive terms some here have previously called me. I’m not so sure there’s really such a thing as “Islamophobia “anyway …

    I get on fine with Muslims and treat them as human individuals; I’ve had Muslim lecturers and Muslim neighbours and no problems with any of them. The majority of Muslims are fine by me. …

    Are you a Muslim? Do you support Islamist ideology and think Jihads, Fatwahs and Terrorism are acceptable methods of achieving the goal of a world wide Sharia law Kaliphate?

    You have got to be the least self-aware person I have seen on the entire internets. And that’s saying a lot.

  • dingojack

    Dear Stevo – You’re getting all muddled up again*.

    The point is ‘space flight’ ≠ ‘manned space flight’ (See SLC above)

    ‘HRH Sultan bin Salman’ ≠ ‘all Arabs’ ≠ ‘all Muslims’ ≠ ‘Osama bin Laden’. Confusing one for the whole group (and expecting some kind of monolithic bloc of behaviours) is what gives a flavour of a phobia.**

    (The Raygun remark was not making fun of you, rather your typical USRRWNJ who refuses to acknowledge that St. Ronnie of Alzheimer’s did the sorts of things the PoG wouldn’t dare do now for fear of alienating their ‘base’ [‘you know — morons’])

    Dingo

    ——–

    * I may have to refer to you as this. :)

    ** Your remarks about Sultan bin Salman make me almost hear Hugh Lawrie saying something like ‘Well I sent King Louis a pair of damn fine striped trousers, and yet the Frenchies are still mad at me. What more do they want me to do, Blackadder, what?’

  • http://www.pandasthumb.org Area Man

    What the heck, I can’t resist this:

    I get on fine with Muslims and treat them as human individuals;

    […]

    Muslims generally still hate us with an irrational intensity.

    So you judge them as individuals, except when you’re denouncing them as a group!

  • Silentbob

    @ 11 StevoR

    The United States got the first Arab and Muslim into space, which I presume is what you refer to. Gee, that sure has worked a treat and made them all love the US of A hasn’t it?

    Gratitude. The Muslims lack it. It’s hard to make friends when one side keeps on hating you whatever good you do or offer for them.

    Lol. ‘The West put a Muslim in space! How can they not love us?’ Hey, StevoR; US astronauts get to space courtesy of Russia. How can you criticise that nice Mr Putin? Where’s your gratitude?! Don’t you want to make friends?

    @ 12 StevoR

    I’m sure a few more reasonable Muslims are really grateful for the USA flying Saudi and Iranians nationals like Sultan bin Salman and Iranian -American space tourist Anousheh Ansari among the many other things the West has done to help and befriend and appease the wider Muslim world.

    Ansari bought her flight into space from Russia, you goofball.

  • StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    @ ^ Silentbob : Anousheh Ansari got into space and onto the International Space Station by (co) founding a private US company. She got her money and her opportunity to fly from the US of A. It is true she flew to the ISS on a Russian Soyuz which acted as her taxi there and Russia plays a role in running the International Space Station though so you are partially right – but that’s far from the whole story.

    The issue with Russia flying US astronauts is only there because Obama closed down the US manned space program or significant parts of it. He failed to keep the Space Shuttle’s flying – he could have reversed Bush’es decision to retire them, he cancelled the Constellation program and the mocked the idea of returning astronauts to the Moon. All dreadful errors in my view and many others.

    Yes, ironically we do owe the Russians some gratitude for flying our astronauts to the ISS – which is problematic. We (Westerners) depend on them for travelling to the ISS too which is even more problematic. We’re fixing that in part through private US companies however so hopefully we’ll soon have some better alternatives.

    @25. Area Man :

    So you judge them as individuals, except when you’re denouncing them as a group!

    I judge individual people individually as individually based on their various individual character traits and actions and groups I judge as groups based on their collective actions.

    I also judge ideologies as ideologies – ideas – based on their logic, consequences, problems and virtues etc…

    Your suggested superior alternative to doing this would be what exactly?

    Individual Muslims are human beings with all the normal individual traits and characters of all people, Muslims collectively are a group and Islam is an ideology.

    Same applies for all religions and ideologies.

    Your problem with my (or anyone else’s?) separating out and addressing things relevantly at such levels is what precisely?

    @23. Area Man : Well that’s your erroneous opinion as someone who has never met me and knows nothing about me based on your failure to comprehend my comments. Your personal abuse is coming from your misunderstanding, ignorance and prejudice as well as being irrelevant.

    It has also NOT escaped my notice – or, I expect, the notice of others -that you have failed to actually answer any of the questions put to you in comment . So howabout ya answer the fookin’ questions? Again :

    1.) Who are you really supporting and why Area man?

    2) Are you a Muslim?

    3) Do you support Islamist ideology and think Jihads, Fatwahs and Terrorism are acceptable methods of achieving the goal of a world wide Sharia law Kaliphate?

  • StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    @24. dingojack

    Dear Stevo – You’re getting all muddled up again*.

    Perhaps I am. I sometimes do get muddled, sure. I don’t think so now but hey. Good link too – Loved that book as a kid.

    The point is ‘space flight’ ≠ ‘manned space flight’ (See SLC above)

    Well, his usernym is colnago80. Its rude to ignore what people want to be called and call them something else instead.

    Manned spaceflight is part of spaceflight. It isn’t all of spaceflight but its a big part of spaceflight and both manned and robotic forms are complementary and necessary in my view.

    I’m not sure what you’re getting at with that line and the “does not equal” symbol here. Are you agreeing with colnago80’s position and dissing humans travelling into space?

    ‘HRH Sultan bin Salman’ ≠ ‘all Arabs’ ≠ ‘all Muslims’ ≠ ‘Osama bin Laden’. Confusing one for the whole group (and expecting some kind of monolithic bloc of behaviours) is what gives a flavour of a phobia.**

    Um, I know that and its precisely what I’ve said I’m not doing isn’t it? I’m not saying Osama bin Laden is Sultan bin Salman (his clone?) or that either are the same as all Muslims or all Arabs. Where do you get that impression from?

    Astronaut prince Salman is an individual who did something record breaking and set a great positive example for Muslims and Arabs and represents a good role model of what they can achieve in co-operation with the West specifically NASA but more broadly.

    Unlamented dead terrorist Osama bin Laden is the metaphorical reverse – an evil individual who did some horrific things and lived a hateful life before facing the terrible, inevitable consequences of his war with the West. Osama set a negative example to other Muslims and Arabs of the consequences of trying to massacre and conquer the West.

    All Arabs is a very broad group that includes non-Muslims even atheist, Christian and secular Arab individuals and groups. Salman is a positive example to them and they should note and be grateful for how the West has helped advance and improve his life abnd accomplish something remarkable for Arabs generally.

    All Muslims includes Persians, Indonesians and many other non-Arab Muslim groups along with some Arabs with the commonality being a shared belief in a particular religious ideology. Again astronaut prince Salman and dead terrorist Osama exemplify the best and worst potentials for them depending on the choices they make and other factors too.

    (The Raygun remark was not making fun of you, rather your typical USRRWNJ who refuses to acknowledge that St. Ronnie of Alzheimer’s did the sorts of things the PoG wouldn’t dare do now for fear of alienating their ‘base’ [‘you know — morons’])

    Dingo

    Okay. Fair enough.

    * I may have to refer to you as this. :) (‘The Muddle headed wombat’ book cover – ed.)

    ** Your remarks about Sultan bin Salman make me almost hear Hugh Lawrie saying something like ‘Well I sent King Louis a pair of damn fine striped trousers, and yet the Frenchies are still mad at me. What more do they want me to do, Blackadder, what?’

    Hmm.. Well, what *I’d* ask the Muslims generally to do is stop the Jihads, Fatwahs and Terrorism. is that so much to ask?

    Sultan Prince Salman is one example of what they can do at their best if they let us help them and vice versa. There are certainly plenty of other examples and reasons for Muslims to be grateful for what the West has done for them and why they should be our allies not enemies.

    Okay, there are also examples of violence and war and negative cases like Bin Laden’s where misunderstanding on both sides has led to horrible atrocities and great crimes -and I’m not ever saying the West is perfect and hasn’t stuffed up in some cases too. We should use those cases as notes on what to avoid and what NOT to do in future on both sides.

    The Aussie way (if only it could be arranged!) would be for the Muslim-Arabs side and the Western one to sit down at the bar, have a beer* and say to each other “I stuffed up, you stuffed up” and then move on, be friends and get along from there.

    I don’t claim perfection or having all the answers, thank fuck I’m not running the world but well, that’s my view FWIW.

    * A non-alcoholic beer for the Muslim side I guess. They do exist.

  • colnago80

    Re StevoR @ #22

    I agree that if NASA was fully funded, manned space flight would be OK. However, such is not the case and we have to have priorities. It should not be surprising that physicists like Bob Park and Steven Weinberg place a higher priority on scientific research, as to I. Hell, even a zealous advocate of human space missions like Phil Plait, the Bad Astronomer, has admitted that the ISS is a waste of resources. The missions to repair the Hubble Space Telescope are worthwhile, although it should be noted that several such telescopes could have been launched for the cost of the human space flight program.

    By the way, I am not at all offended by Dingo’s referring to me as SLC1. I ofter refer to him as Chihuahua or Pekinese, or Pomeranian.

  • dingojack

    Stevo – sorry I get back to on your post but I gotta get up early tomorrow –

    Of course non alcoholic beers exist – t’s how Apu hides the stairway to his rooftop garden. :)

    Dingo