Beck Hammered for Not Supporting Violence

I wrote the other day about Glenn Beck saying that he did not support violence in the situation at Bundy Ranch in Nevada and that anyone who did support violence could not be a supporter of his. But on today’s far right, even saying that much is anathema and he is getting seriously attacked for it.

Many of his fans didn’t appreciate him siding with the federal “tyrants.”

“When the possibility of bloody conflict exists does Beck simply roll over and side with the oppressor, the tyrannical State?” one Facebook user wrote on the Glenn Beck fan page.

Another person commented: “Glenn, you are no longer a friend of the Patriots fighting for FREEDOM. Go away and sell some books and your false ‘Bravado’ to other traitors. Hpw about you yourself said this Tyranny was coming and did not stand up. Re-read Article 1 Bundy is a hero. Oh, thats why you are mad, they didn’t invite you to speak?”

“You are wrong Mr. Beck, the Founding Fathers didn’t pray away Tyranny….They shot the Tyrants….Sic Semper Tyrannus,” said another.

A number of Beck’s detractors said on his Facebook page that violence was necessary because Democrats committed voter fraud.

“Not anymore it isn’t. With so much voter fraud going on by the Democrat Party, how is that our weapon? Mounting enough votes that we have to win by an extra 8 to 10% just to pull even is our hope for the future? Hitler was voted into office. I’m all for voting, but I no longer trust it,” one user commented.

“Soon, your vote won’t matter. If you think Hilary won’t rig an election, you’ve lost your mind. it is very likely to be rigged,” another added.

“Get a grip Glenn. My vote didn’t keep Obama out of office. Our country is being destroyed and you and Obama think talk will fix it all. I am not for violence but you can’t use a sign against a fed sniper.”

This is exactly what I keep talking about with the far right today, no amount of purity is ever enough. They are forever having to trump one another and themselves to prove that they are Righter Than Thou and even the slightest hint of not being as extreme as possible is viewed as weakness and betrayal. It’s zealotry at its most dangerous.

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  • D. C. Sessions

    And of course, there’s that lovely bit about any election that doesn’t produce the Right result is obviously fraudulent, therefore Second Amendment Remedies!

    There are some things that continue to amaze me. One is that, despite all of the gaping security holes in Windows 98 and other versions back around 2000 [1] and that damn near every techie knew well, the only widespread exploits were basically harmless pranks. That says amazing things about the geek population, when millions of people had the power to do massive harm and none of them did.

    Another is the astonishingly low level of effective terrorist attacks in the past decade. Despite the way our security theater packs targets like sardines into predictable locations, there haven’t been any major massacres involving fragmentation bombs in airports etc. Not to mention how easy it is to take down an airplane.

    And then there’s this: you’d think that someone would get off on trolling these yahoos with “talk is cheap” goading. But it’s really not happening. WTF?

    [1] Not saying one way or another about the newer ones

  • John Pieret

    Worse, they are like little kids playing ‘cowboys and indians’ but, though their guns are real, they give no more thought to the real consequences those guns may have than any kid would with a cap gun.

  • raven

    I actually read some of the militia reaction on websites, actually a website that aggregated a lot of their material.

    1. The hatred and bloodlust was palpable. These guys really want to kill someone, preferably a federal agent, enough that they don’t care if they die 5 seconds later.

    2. Which they do occasionally. Timothy McVeigh holds the single incident record for number killed.

    Since 9/11, 2/3’s of all terrorist plots and attacks in the USA have involved rightwing wackos and/or xian terrorists.

    3. The two terrorist attacks nearest me both involved xian terrorists.

  • D. C. Sessions

    These guys really want to kill someone, preferably a federal agent, enough that they don’t care if they die 5 seconds later.

    That’s the fantasy — but in the overwhelming majority of cases, it remains a fantasy. It’s all play-acting, right down to the news photos of them taking up sniper positions on overpasses.

    Not saying that they couldn’t be goaded into mob action, but there’s a pretty big gap between their actual motivation and what it would take to get them past cowboy cosplay.

  • http://georgeworroll.wordpress.com gworroll

    Well, credit to Glenn Beck for saying something somewhat sensible.

  • RickR

    On some days, I wonder if this whole U.S. thing can hang together another 20 years. Or 10, even.

    On other days, I think (like D.C. Sessions pointed out) the crazies are all bluster, costume and cosplay.

    Which side I come down on depends on the day.

  • raven

    The hatred and bloodlust was palpable. These guys really want to kill someone, preferably a federal agent, enough that they don’t care if they die 5 seconds later.

    Wherever you find hate speech, you are going to find hate violence and murder. There are always marginal people who take the hate message to heart and decide to act on it.

    1. These militia members are going to kill or try to kill someone(s) sooner or later. In the last two decades, at least 3 Forest Service or BLM offices have been bombed in Nevada alone.

    2. I’ve read some of their websites. It’s harder than it sounds, these guys are truly mentally as ugly as it gets.

    They spend their entire life planning for some Apocalypse, economic collapse, Commie takeover, Second Great Depression, satan’s return, FEMA concentration camps Jesus Rapture or whatever. It’s Alex Jones/Glenn Beck/Hodges/X22 stuff and all their imitators.

    Move to a rural out of the way place. Do the Doomsday preparations. The bunker, supplies of canned food and water, survival equipment etc.. And the guns!!! Can’t forget the guns. The assault rifles they have are expensive and they fit them out like Barbie dolls with aftermarket accessories and talk about them endlessly.

    3. And then they wait. Nothing happens. The USSR falls and communism is all but dead. Bush their hero causes the Great Recession. And then Obama, the Fed, and time fixes it.

    4. After a few decades of this, some of them aren’t too sane any more. I slightly knew one guy like this. He spent decades as a Doomsday Prepper and it was all a waste. He died recently. Of old age.

  • Ellie

    “…the Founding Fathers didn’t pray away Tyranny….They shot the Tyrants..”

    I was unaware that the Founding Fathers shot George III. When did that happen?

  • raven

    That’s the fantasy — but in the overwhelming majority of cases, it remains a fantasy. It’s all play-acting, right down to the news photos of them taking up sniper positions on overpasses.

    You hope. So do I for that matter.

    1. The best example might be the White Supremacists on their websites babbling away. There are a lot of these websites and I don’t read them. It’s too disturbing.

    2. Fans on one website alone have murdered 100 people alone in the last 5 years. This doesn’t even count Cross/Miller Overland Park who was a denizen of another one.

    It’s unfortunate, but homidical violent fantasies sometimes end up as…homicidal violence.

  • Nick Gotts

    I was unaware that the Founding Fathers shot George III. When did that happen? – Ellie@8

    Oh, it was the same year they freed all their slaves, and agreed that all adults, regardless of race or gender, should have the vote.

  • http://drx.typepad.com Dr X

    “You are wrong Mr. Beck, the Founding Fathers didn’t pray away Tyranny….They shot the Tyrants….

    I wasn’t aware that they shot even one of the slave owners among them.

  • D. C. Sessions

    I slightly knew one guy like this. He spent decades as a Doomsday Prepper and it was all a waste. He died recently. Of old age.

    THAT’S what they WANT you to think.

  • matty1

    Since the thread is already pre-Godwined, I thought Chancellor of Germany was actually an appointed position ,albeit one only open to elected members of the Reichstag.

  • Trebuchet

    Beck is hammered? That explains a lot.

  • Michael Heath

    Wingnut states:

    You are wrong Mr. Beck, the Founding Fathers didn’t pray away Tyranny….They shot the Tyrants….Sic Semper Tyrannus,” said another.

    There are levels of stupidity here, I’ll respond to only one. When a founding father was confronted with a challenge to federal authority by his fellow citizens, this was how it was handled:

    Throughout counties in Western Pennsylvania, protesters used violence and intimidation to prevent federal officials from collecting the tax [on whiskey]. Resistance came to a climax in July 1794, when a U.S. marshal arrived in western Pennsylvania to serve writs to distillers who had not paid the excise. The alarm was raised, and more than 500 armed men attacked the fortified home of tax inspector General John Neville. Washington responded by sending peace commissioners to western Pennsylvania to negotiate with the rebels, while at the same time calling on governors to send a militia force to enforce the tax. With 13,000 militia provided by the governors of Virginia, Maryland, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania, Washington rode at the head of an army to suppress the insurgency. The rebels all went home before the arrival of the army, and there was no confrontation. About 20 men were arrested, but all were later acquitted or pardoned.

    The Whiskey Rebellion demonstrated that the new national government had the willingness and ability to suppress violent resistance to its laws.

    [bolded by Heath]

    Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_rebellion

  • Jeremy Shaffer

    I don’t know which I find sadder: that for once Beck gets something right and his rabid followers tear him to pieces over it, illustrating the irrationality that he and others like him has bred, or that it won’t make a bit of damn difference to him from here on out and he’ll keep chugging along fanning this kind of hatred and madness.

  • Chiroptera

    I can see the reason for all the anger. Glenn Beck refuses to support violence…JUST LIKE NORTH KOREA!

    Hip tip: In Wingnuttia, North Korea is the new Hitler.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Michael Heath, this is completely different from the Whiskey Rebellion. If they were the same the Whiskey Rebels would’ve had to grow grain on public land, paying very little for the privilege, over-farming already marginal land, being told to stop, then continuing to do so anyway while paying nothing in return.

    Plus, in this case, “President” Obama has grossly over-reacted, sending in his Invisible Obamacare Army of Jackbooted Thugs, while in Whiskey Rebellion President Washington sent only Freedom and Bald Eagles and Apple Pie.

  • dhall

    “Sic Semper Tyrannus” is supposedly what John Wilkes Booth said as he shot Lincoln; don’t think any of the Founding Fathers actually said it. And while Hitler assumed the leadership of the Nazi Party, he was never elected to any office. He never ran for any office. He campaigned on behalf of other Nazis to get them elected to the Reichstag, etc. President Von Hindenburg reluctantly appointed him as chancellor, and after Hindenburg died, Hitler abolished the office of the presidency. Technically, right up to the end, he was chancellor.

    But it really seems as if the lies, the bullshit, the fanning of racism and hatred of the government, the hatred of Democrats and the left, has created a real monster for those who have been encouraging it for years now, like Beck. And he’s no longer in control of the monster he helped to create, if he ever was. Question is, how is this going to turn out? That said, I’d assume that there are plenty of undercover personnel scattered throughout those militia groups.

  • http://artk.typepad.com ArtK

    I hope that Beck has built a really big coop, to house all of those chickens that are now coming home.

  • http://timgueguen.blogspot.com timgueguen

    Thinking about these idiots it’s surprising some of them haven’t tried something in Canada. Back in the mid ’90s American antiabortion terrorist James Kopp shot at least one doctor who did abortions, but otherwise American extremists have kept to their side of the border. You’d think at least one of the current groups would have decided violence in Canada is in some way use to their cause, perhaps based on their misconceptions of Canadian politics, law enforcement etc.

  • Who Cares

    @Chiroptera(#17):

    North Korea is going to have to do something outrageous again since there is a challenger in the form of Putin since the whole Crimea thing. The Geneva agreement about the Ukraine has already been likened to the Munich Agreement.

    Granted the uptake will take a while since Hillary started the comparison before the talks.

  • Sastra

    I love this:

    “Get a grip Glenn.

    YEAH GLENN — GET A GRIP! You’re not deranged enough.

  • abb3w

    @19, dhall

    “Sic Semper Tyrannus” is supposedly what John Wilkes Booth said as he shot Lincoln; don’t think any of the Founding Fathers actually said it.

    (“Tyrannis”, actually. But anyway….)

    A variant allegedly dates back to the assassination of Julius Caesar; but it adopted as the motto of Virginia, after it was recommended by George Mason to the Virginia Convention in 1776. Since Mason qualifies as a Founding Father, yeah, at least one said it at some point.

  • http://www.pandasthumb.org Area Man

    I think Beck is wrong not to support violence. Bundy and his fellow terrorists should be cleared out with machine guns and tear gas.

  • naturalcynic

    When I hear the name Bundy, I keep thinking whether this situation is more Ted or Al/

  • laurentweppe

    But it really seems as if the lies, the bullshit, the fanning of racism and hatred of the government, the hatred of Democrats and the left, has created a real monster for those who have been encouraging it for years now, like Beck. And he’s no longer in control of the monster he helped to create, if he ever was

    The useful idiots are never the fanatics foaming at the mouth: the useful idiots are the moderates who think that, by using the jargon of the fanatics and mimicking their outward behavior, they can tame them and turn them into a mastered tool.

  • Pierce R. Butler

    D. C. Sessions @ # 1: Not saying one way or another about the newer ones

    Ohmygawwwd – D. C. Sessions is In On It!

    Michael Heath @ # 14 (quoting Wikipffft): … Washington rode at the head of an army to suppress the insurgency.

    Per William Hogeland, The Whiskey Rebellion: George Washington, Alexander Hamilton, and the Frontier Rebels Who Challenged American’s Newfound Sovereignty: Washington, suffering severe back pains due to falling from a horse weeks earlier, only made it as far west as Cumberland [PA] (east of the Alleghenies; the Rebellion occurred to the west of same), before turning back and leaving Hamilton in bloodthirsty command for the actual violence.

  • anubisprime

    Well the moral of this story is that come the revolution…amongst the atheists, Democrats, teh gheys, furriners’, college professors up against the wall…the likes of Beck will be slap bang in the middle of the line pissing his pants …blubbering to jeebus…turning the whole experience beyond the surreal into the simply bloody annoying….oh deep joy!

  • mikeyb

    No worries, the Beck cult will be back in the fold after his next crazy rant. I sometimes listen to Beck, not for more than a few minutes and he never disappoints. I’m convinced if I were locked in a cell and forced to listen to Beck continually I’d scream to let me listen to Justin Bieber or Michael Bolton instead or read a Bible. If I were forced to listen to him for more than a few hours I’d definitely go clinically insane. Perhaps his broadcast could be used as a replacement for water torture, since it is actually an even more severe form of cruel and unusual punishment. Glenn Beck anticipated Vogon poetry.

  • lorn

    Beck established himself as the guy who could move the Overton window to the right at warp speed by going up-to-eleven on every issue. Now he finds himself outflanked from the right by people more extreme than he is because he failed to go all the way to ‘eleven’.

    Live by the sword; die by the sword.

    Fortunately for Beck, mikeyb @ #30 is entirely correct, his audience has roughly the same attention span as a gnat and a well developed addiction to over-the-top rhetoric that flatters their biases and asserts that their weaknesses are their strengths. They will soon forget, pop a vein and get back to mainlining radioactive rhetoric, and imagining themselves as heroes.

  • sinned34

    Semper Fidelis Tyrannosaurus!

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    lorn “They will soon forget, pop a vein and get back to mainlining radioactive rhetoric, and imagining themselves as heroes.”

    Eventually there’ll be a Republican in charge. It’ll be 2003 all over again. Then, shut up, hippie! Why don’t you Support Our Troops®? Why won’t you Support Our Troops®? Never forget, Iran 911, Ayatollah Al Qaeda, remember! Every time you criticize a blind march to war the terrorists win!

  • anubisprime

    What the fuck is it with right winged xtians and their fuckin’ crusades…they all do it and live ammunition is the bonus if not the preferable state of affairs for them…not so much for the rest of the world but beyond the church gates who amongst them actually gives a fuck?…”Body count for jeebus” should be their motto and rallying call.

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    Glennie Bek is being unfairly pilloried and maligned by the Teabaggist?

    Good. Kin haz moar, plz?

  • freehand

    Go away and sell some books and your false ‘Bravado’ to other traitors.

    .

    Wouldn’t false bravado be a talking head who exorted his proxy troops to violence? Apparently for this poster real bravado would be telling others to get it on. Like, I dunno, George Dubya Bush. “Bring it on!”