Wingnut: Gay People Worse Than Murderers

Robert R. Reilly, a former Bush administration official, has a new book out that rails against homosexuality and how gay rights is sending America to hell in a handbasket. He went on Janet Mefferd’s radio show to promote the book and explained that murderers were better than gay people because at least they feel bad about it:

After the person murders someone or looks at pornography, they come to see that what they did was actually wrong, they can’t excuse it and moral order is restored and they’re contrite for having done so. But what if you organize your life around something that is wrong? Then you must construct a more permanent rationalization that prevents your conscience from returning to tell you that you’ve just done something profoundly wrong.

This is exactly the case with active homosexuals, now extended to homosexual marriage, where they have to say that wrong is right and not only is it right but it’s normative, morally normative, so we need to teach it, we need to bless it in marriages, we need to ordain it in churches and we need to enforce it in our laws. And that is what is happening.

Sounds legit.

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  • http://www.thelosersleague.com theschwa

    Uh oh. I do not feel bad after i look at pornography. So you should probably go ahead and start checking my basement for bodies in a week.

  • sh3baproject

    murderers feel bad after they kill someone? for some, its true, but most of the time they just want not to go to jail.

  • alanb

    Mr. Reilly is as ignorant of human psychology as he is of moral philosophy.

  • Synfandel

    But what if you organize your life around something that is wrong? Then you must construct a more permanent rationalization that prevents your conscience from returning to tell you that you’ve just done something profoundly wrong.

    You don’t need to construct a rationalization if you don’t consider your life-organizing principle wrong, and you don’t have to consider it wrong unless you buy into Robert R. Reilly’s definition of wrong as ‘against the wishes of my imaginary celestial dysfunctional parent’.

  • otrame

    Huh. I actually feel good after looking at pornography. He’s obviously looking at some rally bad porn. Why blame gay people for that?

  • cptdoom

    But what if you organize your life around something that is wrong? Then you must construct a more permanent rationalization that prevents your conscience from returning to tell you that you’ve just done something profoundly wrong.

    You mean like making money by denigrating an entire group of your fellow citizens who have done nothing wrong, other than reject your perversions of biology, morality and religion? We have a word for that – projection.

    murderers feel bad after they kill someone? for some, its true, but most of the time they just want not to go to jail.

    “Leave the gun, take the cannoli.” – The Godfather

  • Chiroptera

    Robert R. Reilly, a former Bush administration official, has a new book out that rails against homosexuality and how gay rights is sending America to hell in a handbasket.

    That’s interesting. That pretty much sums up how I think about the Religious Right and Tea Party.

  • raven

    Robert R. Reilly is worse than a murderer!!!

    He is a mindless hater, an idiot, and now working from an almost archaic script. A gay hating fundie xian!!!

    At least murderers feel guilty about it.

  • Taz

    But what if you organize your life around something that is wrong?

    Like bigotry?

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    I bet he’s looking at the gay porn and getting all upset and feeling lingering wistful badness.

  • Synfandel

    Like bigotry?

    Snap!

  • raven

    or looks at pornography, they come to see that what they did was actually wrong,

    Probably not.

    It’s the same with other sins.

    Millions have read Darwin’s Origin of the species and not realized what they did was wrong.

    Millions have voted Democrat and not realized what they did was wrong.

    Millions have sent their kids to college and not realized what they did was wrong.

    Millions have decided Robert Reilly and the fundie xains are hate filled, lying idiots and not realized what they did was wrong.

  • dugglebogey

    There is literally only one reason why someone hates the idea of homosexuality that much. They are clearly gay and so afraid of it they have no choice but to project nothing but hatred.

    Dude, just come out and get it over with.

  • John Pieret

    But what if you organize your life around something that is wrong?

    So, Mr. Reilly, have you given up you have to the poor to follow Jesus or are you still out trying to fit through the eye of the needle?

    they have to say that wrong is right and not only is it right but it’s normative, morally normative

    I hate to break it to you but you don’t get to decide what is “normative.” Society as a whole does that and, guess what, you’ve lost that battle.

    we need to teach it, we need to bless it in marriages, we need to ordain it in churches and we need to enforce it in our laws.

    Let’s see … we need to teach children about the different kinds of people and families that live around them; the government needs to allow all equally situated citizens equal access to the rights and privileges of marriage … whether you choose to call that “blessing” is you own choice; no one will force any church to “ordain” it; and, to the extent that you are engaged in a business of public accommodation, you should (though you are only required in some places) to treat LGBT people equally, as you are required to do so for people of color, women, people of other religions and other nationalities, no matter what your own religious beliefs are about those groups.

    Really kind of simple isn’t it?

  • tbell

    Murder harms others, obviously. It even can be argued that porn harms others. Being gay does not harm anyone. Why should someone feel remorse for something they do/are that doesn’t harm anyone else?

  • Pierce R. Butler

    … they come to see that what they did was actually wrong, they can’t excuse it and moral order is restored and they’re contrite for having done so.

    Former Bush regime hacks, however, continue to deny their collaboration in crimes against humanity and political/economic/military/social sabotage of the United States every damn day.

  • Sastra

    dugglebogey #13 wrote:

    There is literally only one reason why someone hates the idea of homosexuality that much.

    Nonsense. There can be many reasons, including the one where someone has organized their life around the concept that the reason of “the world” is inferior to what one can “know” through faith.

    As for murderers, according to what I recently read from Steven Pinker most murderers frame their actions in terms of getting revenge or righting a wrong. Even if they know they violated the law and thus ‘deserve’ to go to jail, they’ll still think they were on the side of REAL justice, all things considered. In a curious way, the problem with many individuals or groups which do wrong isn’t a lack of morality, but having too much.

  • StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    He went on Janet Mefferd’s radio show to promote the book and explained that murderers were better than gay people because at least they feel bad about it:

    Its not like gay people feel and are made to feel so bad that many of them actually end up killing themselves and struggle and spend half their lives guiltily in the closest unable to face up to who they really are and be honest or anything is it?

    Oh wait, it is.

  • StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    Often at least although thankfully and belatedly that may be finally changing and becoming the case less often.

  • raven

    … they come to see that what they did was actually wrong, they can’t excuse it and moral order is restored and they’re contrite for having done so.

    Former Bush regime hacks, however, continue to deny their collaboration in crimes against humanity and political/economic/military/social sabotage of the United States every damn day.

    True.

    1 They’ve never said the war in Iraq was a huge mistake and still justify torture. That is trillions of wasted dollars and over a hundred thousand people dead, some of them Americans, and most of them civilians.

    2. They never took responsiblity for the Bush tax cuts and the myth of supply side economics. That led to the Great Recession and ballooning national debt that didn’t destroy the USA, but came close. It produced a lost generation.

    It did kill millions of 401(K) plans, one of which was…mine. (Oddly enough, thanks to Obama, it is back from the dead.)

  • StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    Robert R. Reilly, a former Bush administration official, has a new book out that rails against homosexuality and how gay rights is sending America to hell in a handbasket.

    In all that book does he ever come up with an actual “how” answer that makes sense as to why gay people of all people would be the source of the perceived problem there?

    I very much doubt it.

    ( Nor will I read the hatemongering rubbish he’s written to find out.)

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    It’s fine. I’ve started a charity that gives gay porn to gay people. The two wrongs cancel out. My math is unrefutable.

  • Loqi

    So people who know it’s wrong and do it anyway are morally superior to those who don’t know something is wrong in the first place? I wonder if he’s thought through the implications of that. For example, a baby who gets ahold of his idiot father’s gun and kills him with it gets the death penalty while someone who kills a family member over an inheritance gets a lesser sentence. And doesn’t that mean babies who die before they can believe in god, or people born into non-Christian societies deserve worse punishments than apostates like me? That seems like the opposite of moral. Though I must say, trying to get into that mindset has given me some understanding of the Texas justice system…

  • freemage

    This is, in fact, the logical conclusion of the premises of bog-standard Christianity. A murderer who repents is considered acceptable; what’s more, a fornicator (and all homosexuals are fornicators by definition in this ideology) who feels guilty afterward and says he’s sorry and then goes out and does it all again is also fine, so long as he always feels guilt and remorse afterward. However, if he ‘sins’ and then doesn’t feel guilty, well that’s just immoral.

    This gets even more twisty when you get to the concept of knowing what counts as sinful conduct. In theory, a Christian who says, “God, I’m sorry for all my sins, even the ones I didn’t realize were wrong,” is supposed to get a Pearly Gate Pass as well. But this would suggest that a church that teaches homosexuality is acceptable conduct would then be saving more souls, even if they’re actually wrong about that, because God would accept their penitence for unknown sins. So now the fundies are forced to insist that there are some sins that we are just supposed to intrinsically recognize as sinful. That this is based on their personal ‘ick factor’ coupled with the teachings they received as children doesn’t seem to bother them much.

  • zmidponk

    After the person murders someone or looks at pornography, they come to see that what they did was actually wrong, they can’t excuse it and moral order is restored and they’re contrite for having done so.

    Forgetting about the ridiculousness of the comparison made between murder and being gay for a moment, and also leaving aside the looking at pornography bit, I would actually imagine many murderers actually don’t feel all that contrite, but justify their actions to themselves in some manner, either before or after the act itself, which is why most murders aren’t solved by the murderer handing themselves in at the nearest police station, or phoning the police themselves and quietly surrendering to them.

  • freehand

    The “morality” of the right-wing Fundamentalist – whether Jewish, Muslim, or Christian – is a festering morass of superstition, hatred, determined ignorance, and violence. The Golden Rule is as alien and baffling to them as is scientific methodology.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=730511544 billdaniels

    He’s probably still watching the 35 mm porn loops in which everyone wears a black mask and the men wear matching black socks.

  • Ichthyic

    Mr. Reilly is as ignorant of human psychology as he is of moral philosophy.

    …which is why he was chosen to participate in the Bush administration.

    hell, IIRC, Bush literally chose HUNDREDS of graduates of Liberty University and Oral Roberts University as part of his administration. No other president ever even tried anything similar.

    It worked out so well for him! Highest rate of corruption scandals, forced resignations, and botched legal issues of any administration in history.

    really really.

    and of course, the American people decided to re-elect him, even after these issues were already coming to the fore.

    the US is fucking doomed.

  • Ichthyic

    In a curious way, the problem with many individuals or groups which do wrong isn’t a lack of morality, but having too much.

    Just so.

  • leonardschneider

    RIelly your just a punk bitch — %10 to whover gets me his phone numbe

  • lordshipmayhem

    So murderers feel “bad” when they kill?

    I know what body parts people feel when they’re watching porn. What body part is the “bad”? Is it anywhere near a knee, or an elbow?

    I bet Reilly can’t tell us.