Tucker Carlson Pretends to Be a Macho Man

There’s comedy, there’s high comedy, and then there’s Tucker Carlson — Tucker freaking Carlson, people — going on national television and proclaiming that feminism is destroying the “macho man” and that makes men “unattractive to women.” Because when I think macho man, I think “Tucker Carlson.”

Fox News host Tucker Carlson on Tuesday asserted that men were not living up to their “manly responsibility” by letting women pay for dinner and by not participating in activities like hunting…

“I think this is real,” Carlson agreed on Tuesday’s edition of the Fox News show Out Numbered. “Part of it is somebody told boys when they were little, ‘Be sensitive, be thoughtful.’ And some of that’s fine, too much of it makes you pretty unattractive to women. And this is one of the reasons, because it suggests weakness.”

“I blame it on the feminist movement,” Fox News host Katie Pavlich remarked. “Because the feminist movement for decades has told men not to embraces their manliness, that is part of the patriarchy of our society. And that being a man is a bad thing. And that you should downgrade your manliness. And saying ‘man up’ is not acceptable because manning up is not based on gender.”

“They have all these things where they take the man part out of being a man,” she added. “And then we wonder why men don’t act like men anymore.”

Carlson argued that men did not necessarily need to hunt and fish to be masculine.

“Men, who on the second date, let their date pay for dinner, I’m sorry that’s disgusting,” he insisted. “And I don’t care. The new norms are — he shouldn’t allow it. Period.”

Co-host Sandra Smith pointed out that men could show respect for women “and not assume that he’s the macho man” who needs to pay for dinner.

“He should be the macho man,” Carlson shot back. “He ought to have respect for himself. Are you kidding? Let a girl pay? What are you joking?”

I find this kind of thing both hilarious and moronic. Do they not realize that when men are acting all macho and tough, that’s really just a cover for their pathetic insecurity? It’s what insecure men do, they try to assert their dominance to make themselves feel better.

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  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    Didn’t the Village People have a bow tie guy??

  • Pen

    Admittedly, few things make a man look less attractive than whining that he’s lost his masculinity because women won’t let him be dominant any more.

  • sigurd jorsalfar

    Carlson is such a woose. A real man knows that the proper thing to do on a second date is to tell your dinner companion to get ready to follow your lead because you are about to perform a dine and dash.

  • StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    @1. Marcus Ranum : “Didn’t the Village People have a bow tie guy??”

    I’m sure there’s a way to find out :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO43p2Wqc08

    Seems an apt choice of song but maybe not quite the macho~ness Carlson was thinking of?

  • arakasi

    I’m pretty sure that if I was on a second date and I told my date that I will not let her do something, then the relationship would end right there.

  • alanb

    To paraphrase the President: “When someone begins a sentence with, ‘Let me tell you something I know about what women want,’ we don’t need to hear the rest of it. … Just a tip for you. Don’t start your sentence that way.”

  • Captain Mike

    “… too much of it makes you pretty unattractive to women.”

    God forbid you do anything that makes you less attractive to some vaguely defined group of humans, like, say … fucking anything.

    “Mmm. Muscles.”

    “Ew. Muscles.”

    “A doctor, you say? Tell me more!”

    “A doctor, you say? You’re a tool of big pharma and I hate you!”

  • cptdoom

    Do they not realize that when men are acting all macho and tough, that’s really just a cover for their pathetic insecurity? It’s what insecure men do, they try to assert their dominance to make themselves feel better.

    Living in DC, I’ve had the opportunity to see a few “DC celebrities” in person. Tucker Carlson is one of them, and like George Will and Ken Mehlman, when I first saw him I realized why he’s such a tool – little man syndrome. All three of them are like 5’6″,

  • http://zenoferox.blogspot.com/ Zeno

    Does Tucker have an array of animal heads mounted on his wall, the fruits of his macho-man big-game hunting? Does he walk the macho-man walk or just whine about it? (Perhaps he ties his bow-tie too tight and it’s cut off the blood flow to his tiny brain.)

  • eric

    And saying ‘man up’ is not acceptable because manning up is not based on gender.”

    Correct, it’s not acceptable. Because switching from dwelling on a problem to focusing on moving forward or fixing it is behavior both sexes do, can do, and can encourage others to do. If you claim it’s behavior only one sex does, you create division where none need exist and actually discourage good behavior.

    But the irony here, lost on Carlson, is that whining about how changing how you speak is upsetting to you is the complete opposite of (the thought behind the phrase) “manning up.” Carlson here refuses to man up when it comes to the phrase ‘man up.’

    “Men, who on the second date, let their date pay for dinner, I’m sorry that’s disgusting,” he insisted. “And I don’t care. The new norms are — he shouldn’t allow it. Period.”

    Yes, how dare anyone suggest that Carlson listen or pay attention to the opinions of the women he dates. That’s heresy! Or maybe, himesy!

  • Carlos Cabanita

    This is funny. I’ve got a full old time macho indoctrination as a boy, but in my culture religion was a women thing and the (catholic) priests were considered somehow effeminate. Women sat ahead at mass and participated; men, when they had to go, stood near the rear door. More often they waited in the tavern for “the holy sacrifice of the mass exit”.It was probably the result of a century of liberal wars in Europe against the Catholic Church.

    What I say is, standards for sexist manliness may vary. USA fundies would be considered church rats in the culture of my youth. Not sexy at all.

  • pocketnerd

    One of the weirdest things about the whole “men’s rights” movement — and boy howdy is there a lot of competition — is the insistence that all women, everywhere, at all times, want the exact same things. Because EVO PSYCH, or something. But MRAs seem completely unable to wrap their fevered brains around the idea that one woman might be flattered by a man who pays for dinner, a second might appreciate the gesture but be largely indifferent, and a third might think “No thanks — too many guys think a meal at Billy Bob’s House of Ribs buys them an all-access pass to my vagina, and then get whiny and peevish when I won’t let them come into my place at the end of the night.”

    Different women want different things, guys. Embrace it. That said… there probably aren’t too many women who think “Paying for my meal? What a studly masculine manly man! My girly bits are tingling in anticipation of his precious alpha geneseed!” Seriously, dudes, buying a meal isn’t wrestling a bear or punching out the reigning heavyweight champ. All it proves is you have $50 to spare, which makes you exactly as masculine as any number of women buying their own dinners in the same restaurant.

  • John Pieret

    “Men, who on the second date, let their date pay for dinner, I’m sorry that’s disgusting,” he insisted.

    [blink]

    Jebus! Doesn’t everyone know that there is no such thing as a “second date”? Once the female expresses mild interest in the HEMAN by having one date, he’s supposed to hit her in the head with his club and drag her off to his cave to be raped!

    Wuss!

  • Mr Ed

    I never realized what a knife edge human sexuality is. The merest hint that being gay is anything less than the worst abomination and most men would opt to be gay. Pay women a living wage, let them vote or show any emotion or caring and women will lose interest in men. We are just one empathetic thought from extinction.

  • bushrat

    Do they not realize that when men are acting all macho and tough, that’s really just a cover for their pathetic insecurity? It’s what insecure men do, they try to assert their dominance to make themselves feel better.

    Sounds like a description of Tucker Carlson.

  • escuerd

    “ And some of that’s fine, too much of it makes you pretty unattractive to women me, Tucker Carlson.

    Fixed that for him.

    Seriously, this is just embarrassing. I understand why lots of closeted gay guys go through all this posturing to make themselves appear more macho (like that horrendous discussion with Joe Scarborough in which Carlson awkwardly recounts the totally credible story of how he bravely beat up a guy who was “bothering” him in the restroom), but I have no sympathy for someone who does this so publicly as a way of trying to bolster his macho conservative credentials.

    And, of course, when women say they want something he doesn’t approve of, he’s quick to criticize. Here’s a bit where he whines about the things that some women would like in a man, and adds that if you find a man with such qualities that “he’s probably gay anyway”:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af98RLsxuXw

    So men need to be more macho because that’s what women want, except for all the women who want the wrong things. This is why it’s their fault that men aren’t macho enough (or something).

  • zero6ix

    I wonder if Carlson does work on his own car. Or has ever gutted a fish, or field dressed a mule deer. I wonder if he grunts the word “FOOTBALL” every time he has to twist a pipe wrench.

    Or does he insure that his coif is impeccable whilst heading out for a mani/pedi. Perhaps he spends fifteen minutes making the most dramatic bow-tie/shirt combo, while also making sure that his belt and shoes are the same color.

    I’m not saying either scenario is more “macho”. But I’m fairly certain that good ol’ Tucker would tie his tongue in knots defending his grooming habits and lack of outdoor experience as macho now, since, you know, times change.

  • Trebuchet

    “I blame it on the feminist movement,” Fox News host Katie Pavlich remarked.

    Co-host Sandra Smith pointed out that men could show respect for women…

    What are these wimminz doing on Fox News anyhow? They should be at home popping out babies and ironing shirts for their god-fearin’ he-man husbands. And that second one is clearly a feminazi herself! ‘Respect”, indeed. What’s the world coming to?

  • caseloweraz

    Carlson: “Part of it is somebody told boys when they were little, ‘Be sensitive, be thoughtful.’ And some of that’s fine, too much of it makes you pretty unattractive to women. And this is one of the reasons, because it suggests weakness.”

    To parapharase the Bard (Julius Caesar I, 2, 284): Methinks yond Carlson has a lean and hungry look; He thinks too little; such men are dangerous.”

  • Loqi

    *furiously taking notes*

    Yes, Tucker. Give me more of your dating advice that has obviously worked out so well for you. Tell me, which celeb are you dating again? And is the reason that nobody likes you that you’re too damn manly for them to handle?

    *continues writing furiously*

  • dingojack

    alanb (#8) – When you posted: “To paraphrase the President: “When someone begins a sentence with, ‘Let me tell you something I know about what women want,’ we don’t need to hear the rest of it. … Just a tip for you. Don’t start your sentence that way.””

    I immediately thought of:

    DEATH: Shut up, you American. You Americans, all you do is talk, and talk, and say “let me tell you something” and “I just wanna say.” Well, you’re dead now, so shut up.

    Carry on.

    :) Dingo

  • http://www.pandasthumb.org Area Man

    “Men, who on the second date, let their date pay for dinner, I’m sorry that’s disgusting,” he insisted. “And I don’t care. The new norms are — he shouldn’t allow it. Period.”

    If Carlson were 60-something, this might be sort of understandable in a “kids these days” kind of way. But surely, back when he getting rejected for second dates, it was already normal for men and women to take turns paying for things. This was not a concept invented just recently.

  • cjcolucci

    I just feel an urge to confess — probably my Catholic upbringing. When the Village People first – er – came out, it took me far too long to figure out the gay angle.

  • brucegee1962

    OK, here’s the thing — there truly is a crisis of masculinity going on these days. I teach developmental students at a community college, the ones who graduated from high school but aren’t ready for college credits yet — and the proportion of men to women in those classes is about five to one. In upper-level classes, that proportion is reversed. I’ve also been spending a lot of time recently at our local teaching hospital, and virtually all the med students and younger interns are women. I wouldn’t be surprised if, within a few decades, the wage gap may reverse itself, because a huge number of guys just don’t seem to be able to handle our educational system any more.

    This is an enormous challenge to our country — which is why blaming the whole thing on The Wimmenz is such an cop-out. There are probably all kinds of answers that make a lot more sense, from outsourcing of traditionally-masculine jobs, to the lousy job our media does of presenting good role models, maybe even to video games that seem to flip off more switches in the male brain than they do in the female. Research into figuring out how to deal with these challenges should be our top priority. But all that the Blame The Wimmenz argument does is blow smoke over it.

  • dingojack

    Ok Tucker let’s hear what some women* really want** of a man.

    Dingo

    ——–

    * not representative of all women, of course.

    ** Their want.

  • escuerd

    dingojack @ 25, the link seems to be broken:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-WFNbMohTQ

  • escuerd

    Gah! Didn’t expect it to embed.

    Does this comment system embed the video iff the link is the last thing in the post or what?

  • twincats

    Fox News host Katie Pavlich remarked. “Because the feminist movement for decades has told men not to embraces their manliness

    Yeah, that has always been the thing that soured me on the feminist movement; when gangs of feminists walk up to random men who are minding their own business on the streets and say things like ‘you need to stop embracing your manliness, right now!’ or even ‘dude, your manliness is totally holding you back, just let it go.’

    Oh, wait! That never happens. I guess it must be all of those Feminist Movement(TM) PSAs you see on TV all the damn time. /snark

    I mean, seriously, what is she on about??

    dingojack@21: I thought Death spoke in all caps?

  • dingojack

    How’d you do that?!*

    It certainly worked when I linked to it initially, can’t think of what happened.

    Dingo

    ——–

    * guess what I was linked to, not embed the video. :)

  • dingojack

    If I saw a random man in the street ’embracing his manliness’ I’d call the cops, or, if I were bolder, simply point and laugh.

    Dingo

  • dingojack

    twincats – (both this post and #30, d’oh!) Modusoperandi is really death?!? Who knew? 😉

    Dingo

    ——–

    mine #29 addresses escuerd (#26). ‘Sorry about that Chief’

  • raven

    OK, here’s the thing — there truly is a crisis of masculinity going on these days. I teach developmental students at a community college, the ones who graduated from high school but aren’t ready for college credits yet — and the proportion of men to women in those classes is about five to one.

    It is that way everywhere.

    A large majority of college students and recent college graduates these days are…women.

    Insidehighered 2013:

    By 2010, women’s graduation rates had “skyrocketed” to 36 percent, DiPrete said, while the rate among men grew only seven points, to 27 percent.

    Today, women outpace men in college enrollment by a ratio of 1.4 to 1.

    Read more: http://www.i nsidehighered. com/news/2013/02/21/new-book-explains-why-women-outpace-men-education#ixzz31Ex9Mvo9 Inside Higher Ed

    Thems the facts.

    PS: What in Cthulhu’s name does hunting and fishing have to do with anything? The most avid hunter I know of is my cousin. She goes to Alaska once a year, camps out in the snow and rain, and catches Chinook salmon and shoots an elk or caribou. I’m told she is a very good target shooter.

  • lofgren

    I have literally never met a feminist sympathizer who was not also 100% in favor of men being attractive to women. Even the lesbians. Even the GAY MEN.

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    I must be macho like a 55 Gal drum of testosterone. When I could still get women to go out on a date with me, the question of them paying for dinner never came up. I always had Big Mac or Whopper coupons, anyway.

    “I wonder if Carlson does work on his own car. Or has ever gutted a fish, or field dressed a mule deer. I wonder if he grunts the word “FOOTBALL” every time he has to twist a pipe wrench.”

    Fuck that.

    Has teh Tuckster ever looked his enemy in the eye while shoving his 14″ Bowie knife THROUGH THE MOTHERFUCKER’S HEART?

  • http://cheapsignals.blogspot.com Gretchen

    Meanwhile, feminists continue happily fucking men who are everything Tucker Carlson says is unattractive to women.

    Does he think these men care that he finds them “disgusting”?

  • busterggi

    Tucker Carlson representing machoness?

    What, was Peewee herman too busy?

  • http://adventuresinzymology.blogspot.com JJ831

    And that you should downgrade your manliness. And saying ‘man up’ is not acceptable because manning up is not based on gender.

    No being a misogynist asshat is a bad thing. Contrary to popular belief, these two are not mutually exclusive. And I’m all about humanning up (vs. manning up), but that has somewhat of a different connotation.

  • freehand

    Sigh. Another misogynist embarrassing me by whining about how feminists won’t let him be as manly as he wants. Tucker, I was raised old school machismo. Here’s what I was taught by the greatest generation:

    Real men don’t care what others think as long as they’re doing the right thing.

    Real men don’t cheat to win.

    Real men don’t bully others, especially if they’re weaker.

    Real men protect women and children.

    Real men pay their bills, but otherwise aren’t measured by their wealth.

    .

    Later, I learned that this all applies to women too.

  • escuerd

    dingojack @29,

    I just noticed that there was a question mark missing in the URL.

  • dingojack

    escuerd – copied link to a text document, right?

    How Tucker sees himself (note the overcompensation due to penile-insecurity); how women see Tucker.

    Dingo

  • leni

    If I went on a date with a jackass in a bowtie who angrily demanded to pay for dinner, I’d let him. And then I would never, ever speak to him again. If you can’t get through dinner without a tantrum, I don’t think I want to know you. And I sure as hell am not going to embarrass myself further and inflict your bullshit on people I care about, much less myself.

    Hell no. Even if I were generous enough to overlook the bowtie (which I am not).

    Silver lining, if ever I meet one of Tucker’s species, I’m paying for dinner just because I know they hate it.