Wingnut Doesn’t Know What ‘Government-Dependent’ Means

Washington state Rep. Matt Shea is one of the many wingnut legislators to flock to the Bundy Ranch to spout inane comments about how he’s a hero and a patriot for refusing to pay his bills. And in an interview with the unhinged Larry Pratt of Gun Owners of America, he offers a ridiculous false dichotomy:

Pratt: I’m not sure it’s all that much different from what it was in colonial America, when our forefathers drew their line in the sand and fought off the world’s most powerful empire. The estimates that I’ve read of historians that have really done some digging is that maybe three percent were actively involved in the war for independence. Maybe another 10 percent, if I remember their guesstimates correctly, at least supported materially in some way –‘Use my pasture over there, you can take those crops over there,’ whatever they might have done to help. Then there was a body of opinion that was kind of undecided and there was another body, a small body probably, that was pro-Tory, pro-king. Maybe we’re not that much different than that estimated line of public opinion in colonial America.

Shea: I really don’t think we are. And I agree with the statement, you know, between three to five percent of the population is what gets actively involved to stand on that line, and then there’s just another huge swath of the population that will, you know, offer material support.

And I’ve been talking to folks recently about what really happened in Nevada, and I’ve really framed the question this way, which I think is the second thing that really relates to colonial America, and that is very simply: Are you a loyalist or are you a patriot? Are you a god-fearing, self-reliant, freedom-loving American, or are you a government-dependent, Constitution-ignoring socialist?

A government-dependent socialist? You mean like Cliven Bundy, who thinks the American taxpayers should give him tens of thousands of dollars a year in free grazing rights on public land? That sounds pretty government-dependent to me.

"Yep. Principally raking in a nice fat paycheck for hauling the party line."

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  • scienceavenger

    Are you a god-fearin… freedom-loving…

    Make up your mind.

  • alanb

    between three to five percent of the population is what gets actively involved to stand on that line…

    Does this mean that between 9 and 15 million Americans are going to show up at the Bundy Ranch? Or is he talking about just the white adult males like what done fought the Revolutionary War?

  • Synfandel

    And I’ve been talking to folks recently about what really happened in Nevada, and I’ve really framed the question this way, which I think is the second thing that really relates to colonial America…

    Really.

  • sigurd jorsalfar

    The loyalists were every bit as ‘god-fearing’ as the patriots. Is he saying King George was an atheist? When was history abandoned as a subject of study in American schools?

  • raven

    I wonder what Rep. Matt Shea thinks about all those rope plantations on National Forest land.

    Are hemp growers also patriots?

    Are you a loyalist or are you a patriot? Are you a god-fearing, self-reliant, freedom-loving American, or are you a government-dependent, Constitution-ignoring socialist?

    I suppose in Matt Shea’s kooky world, hemp growers are, “patriots, god-fearing, self-reliant, freedom-loving Americans.

    Plus it is very good for the economy. Seems to be a huge demand for natural fiber rope these days.

  • AsqJames

    I take it state representative is an unpaid volunteer position in Washington then?

    Well, I guess it’s one way of keeping poor people from writing the laws.

  • Mr Ed

    A modest proposal; let Bundy and company form their own country around his ranch. Let those who wish to be socialist mooching American citizens leave and for a short time let freedom loving, god fearing patriots emigrate.

    Once the country is established secure the boarders, detain, arrest or shoot anyone crossing into the US from Bundiville. Cut off the socialist electricity and water. Minimal humanitarian support should be allowed from third counties. Lets see how well Galt’s Gulch does

  • Rik van

    I like the “god-fearing” and “freedom-loving” in one sentence, too.

  • DaveL

    ’m not sure it’s all that much different from what it was in colonial America, when our forefathers drew their line in the sand and fought off the world’s most powerful empire.

    Ed, surely you remember the incident where American colonists in Boston threw cargoes of tea into the harbor to protest the British-subsidized shipping rates of twopence halfpenny per ton? What, are you telling me it didn’t happen that way?

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    I’m with him, and joining him in protest by taking without paying, without permission, and with the court-mandated opposite of permission (or, in modern parlance, “Patriotizing”) all of the water out of the river that runs to, and through, his ranch.

  • John Pieret

    self-reliant, freedom-loving American

    Oh, goody! We no longer have to supply water from the giant projects the Federal government built to irrigate the whole southwest to anyone who who holds up their hand as a self-reliant, freedom-loving American? Instead we can send it all to places where people are enough in touch with reality to know that there is no such thing as self-reliant Americans, except, perhaps a few nutcases living (for a while) completely in the wild. That’ll help a bit with the drought.

    I’m sure you’ll complain but we won’t know it since we cut off your internet connection, smart phones and even your snail mail service.

  • felidae

    Let’s dynamite the road to Bundy’s ranch so he can be less dependent on government and see how that works out

  • Michael Heath

    Cliven Bundy’s being presented by the media as a kook, but he’s no kookier than Rick Santorum; who gets a pass.

  • marcus

    “…when our forefathers drew their line in the sand and fought off the world’s most powerful empire.”

    It should probably be mentioned that we were aided by the other “world’s most powerful empire” namely the much-maligned French. I read somewhere that saying we won the Revolutionary War with the help of the French is tantamount to a ten-year-old saying, “Yeah, I killed that bear, but Papa helped…”

  • shoeguy

    Matt Shea is a real piece of work. I can’t remember why his wife left him, unless it was that he instructed her to walk on his right side and three paces behind so his sword hand wouldn’t be blocked. Here in Warshintun half the state is sort of like a dry, unpopulated Mississippi (Shea’s half). The other half has an economy and education system.

  • raven

    Wikipedia:

    However, Shea was found to have let his concealed weapons permit expire “years ago”. Although cited by Spokane Police for carrying a loaded firearm in his vehicle without a permit and for displaying the firearm in a manner to alarm others, he was charged in court with a single count of having a loaded pistol in his vehicle without a valid permit, resulting in the city agreeing to a stipulated order of continuance.

    Shea has also been the focus of news articles related to angry outbursts at his legislative office and a report that he was disarmed by a commander while he served in Iraq due to anger management issues.[7]

    According to Wikipedia, he has a history of anger management issues and a history of carrying and waving loaded guns around.

    Washblog.com 2012:

    Domestic Abuse at the Hands of Matt Shea edited for length

    After Lisa Shea could no longer tolerate Matt Shea’s abuse, the marriage fell apart in 2007.

    She testified to the court during divorce proceedings that Matt Shea treated her like a piece of property and tried to control everything she did. Matt forced her to walk on his left and even pressured her to give him the inheritance she received from her father. Spokane County Superior Court recognized that Matt Shea had committed physical, mental and emotional abuse against his now ex-wife Lisa Shea.

    His wife was granted numerous restraining orders that prohibited Matt Shea from contacting her and that ordered Matt Shea to surrender his guns.

    According to a September 21, 2007, police report, Matt Shea violated a restraining order against his wife in less than three weeks. The sources for all this can be found at SpokaneWatch.net and at TheSheaReport.com.

    According to Washblog.com,

    “There are too many instances of poor judgment, violent tendencies, and unstable behavior from Matt Shea. He is simply not fit to lead the people of Eastern Washington from the 4the Legislative District.”

    Seems like Matt Shea has been in court a lot and in trouble with the law a lot. He describes himself as a xian too. Violent, xian, woman abuser, criminal. Looks like a typical christofascist. We know what is wrong with Matt Shea. What is wrong with the voters in Spokane?

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    raven “What is wrong with the voters in Spokane?”

    They aren’t so bad. Try Snohomish.*

     

    * Take that, Snohomish!

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    It’s not just Spokane, WA. The U.S. is well larded with fuckheadz who vote with their trigger fingers.

    Shea sounds like an unremarkable republican.

  • eric

    What is wrong with the voters in Spokane?

    When the voting population’s criteria for election is “anyone, so long as he’s a conservative votebot,” then they’re going to get exactly what they asked for.

  • Trebuchet

    They aren’t so bad. Try Snohomish.*

    * Take that, Snohomish!

    Snohomish? What’s wrong with Snohomish? I hurl pumpkins in Snohomish! I’ve met Dana Hunter there. Twice! My wife grew up there! It’s full of antique stores. ANTIQUE STORES!

    In all seriousness, I don’t pay a lot of attention to the local political scene. Do you have a specific reference?

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Trebuchet “Do you have a specific reference?”

    No. I just like saying “Snohomish”. Snohomish.