Ken Ham Done Got Himself a Dinosaur

Ken Ham and the folks at the Creation Museum are very excited about fossil Allosaurus specimen that has been donated to them by the Peroutka Foundation, run by Christian Reconstructionist (read: religious fascist) Michael Peroutka. So excited that they’re saying predictably dumb things about it:

The museum has boasted that its Allosaurus fragilis fossil has one of the “six or seven” best-preserved Allosaurus skulls ever discovered. More than half of the creature’s bones were found in ground in Colorado in 2002, and the skull has 53 teeth still in place.

Dr. Andrew Snelling, a geologist who works for Answers in Genesis, “[said] that the intact skeleton of this allosaur is a testimony to an extremely rapid burial, which is confirmation of the global catastrophe of a Flood a few thousand years ago,” according to the museum.

The museum acquired the skeleton, which has been named Ebenezer, from the Elizabeth Streb Peroutka Foundation. Michael Peroutka, one of the board members of the foundation, “says that this fossil is a testimony to the creative power of God and also lends evidence to the truth of a worldwide catastrophic flooding of the earth about 4,500 years ago as described in the Bible,” according to the Museum.

Except…no. Finding a fossil that was buried in place is not evidence of a global flood, it’s evidence of a local event that resulted in that burial. It can happen in a myriad of ways that we observe all the time — earthquakes, mudslides or landslides, falling into a glacial lake, being trapped in a tar pit, volcanic eruptions. When a volcano erupts, killing local animals and burying them in mud and ash, this does not indicate that we’re having a global flood.

This is especially true when the evidence of geology conclusively disproves the idea that there was a global flood ever, let alone a few thousand years ago. In fact, there is an incredible Allosaurus nesting site found in Wyoming in strata that young earth creationist claim were laid down during this global flood. Pretty amazing how those dinosaurs managed to tread water while finding food and mating, all while thousands of feet of sediments were laid down below them and build a nesting site in the middle of a raging flood.

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  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    a Flood a few thousand years ago

    Were you THERE, Ham?

  • blf

    Pretty amazing how those dinosaurs managed to tread water while finding food and mating… and build a nesting site in the middle of a raging flood.

    No, that’s what remains of the crash site of the “B” Ark.

  • matty1

    So that’s how the Allosaurs found food, they ate all the telephone sanitisers.

  • http://zenoferox.blogspot.com/ Zeno

    Michael Peroutka, Constitution Party candidate for president in 2004. His share of the national vote was less than one-tenth of one percent. Ken Ham is in good company.

  • gardengnome

    I’m confused. I thought that their persistent claim was that dino bones were scattered by the swirling waters (because they’re rarely found complete) and that this confirmed their ‘flood’ myth, but now they claim this dino’s bones were kept intact by that very same action – which confirms their ‘flood’ myth. Am I missing something?

  • caseloweraz

    Dr. Andrew Snelling, a geologist who works for Answers in Genesis, “[said] that the intact skeleton of this allosaur is a testimony to an extremely rapid burial, which is confirmation of the global catastrophe of a Flood a few thousand years ago,” according to the museum.

    Very astute reasoning. Of course the only thing that could bring about rapid burial of dinosaurs or humans is a worldwide flood — just as the only thing that could cause global warming is a brightening Sun.

    And as the very recent burials of unfortunate humans in Oso, Oregon and western Colorado prove, there have been TWO worldwide floods within the past year.

  • caseloweraz

    Oops — make that Oso, Washington.

  • blf

    And as the very recent burials of unfortunate humans in Oso, [Washington] and western Colorado prove, there have been TWO worldwide floods within the past year.

    The mudslides earlier this month in Afghanistan don’t count? Probably not, it wasn’t in USAlienstan, and hundreds were buried.

    And I would not be surprised if there have been other fatal mudslides and similar incidences elsewhere this year, but admit that none come to mind (other than the considerable flooding in “Eastern” Europe at the moment).

  • matty1

    @ What you’re missing is the ability to think like a creationist, you are looking at the evidence and asking “what does this show?”. What you need to be doing is starting with a conclusion, assuming all evidence must support it and then rationalising how afterwards.

  • raven

    This is illegal!!! It’s abuse of a corpse!!!

    Hmmm, well according to Google, that law only applies to dead humans.

    Well, OK, it isn’t illegal. It’s still abuse of a dead dinosaur’s fossilized skeleton.

    FWIW, the creation pseudomuseum hasn’t been doing very well. Attendance peaked the first year and has been going down ever since. It’s losing money. AIG itself is still making money, mostly by selling various bits of religious propaganda aka homeschooling courses and whatnot.

  • busterggi

    According to the bible it took 180 days (minimum) for the flood waters to recede – that ain’t what I would call rapid.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    When a volcano erupts, killing local animals and burying them in mud and ash, this does not indicate that we’re having a global flood.

    WRONG!!! YOURE FORGETTING THAT A “LOCAL” FLOOD WAS A GLOBAL FLOOD BECAUSE THE EARTH WAS MUCH SMALLER BACK THEN!! ITS BIGGER NOW ON ACCOUNT OF ALL THE BUILT UP SIN!!!

  • John Pieret

    It is a shame that this rare specimen, rather than being scientifically studied, will languish away in a monument (not “museum”) to human ignorance.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    John Pieret, to be fair they are putting a saddle on it. I mean…it was found with a saddle. Checkmate, Earth-is-Four-Point-Five-Billion-Years-Oldists!

  • John Pieret

    it was found with a saddle

    I heard it was found with a copy of the old testament autographed by Moses himself.

  • steve78b

    So it was found with a saddle and a copy of the old testament autographed by Moses himself and an autographed 8×10 color photo glossy of Noah and all his family?

    …… aint murkles just wunnerfull…..

    thank you Jebus.

  • dingojack

    Modus – but was it a blazing saddle?

    Dingo

  • comfychair

    Has anyone alerted DPS (Dinosaur Protection Services)?

  • Larry

    Dr. Andrew Snelling, a geologist who works for Answers in Genesis, “[said] that the intact skeleton of this allosaur is a testimony to an extremely rapid burial, which is confirmation of the global catastrophe of a Flood a few thousand years ago,”

    I shall eagerly await reading Dr. Snelling’s article to be published in one of many scientific geology or paleontology journals that will lay out the arguments for his statements. With such a remarkable claim, it should have Nobel Prize written all over it.

  • jnorris

    I’m with you Larry (#19).

  • Crip Dyke, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden

    @dingojack:

    It blazed, and yet, since we have its remains we know it was not consumed!

    Praise Moses-saur!*

    *yes, aquatic. Yes, non-archosaurian. Yes, yes, yes. Fuck off, I’m having fun here.

  • thebookofdave

    Dr. Andrew Snelling, a geologist who works for Answers in Genesis, “[said] that the intact skeleton of this allosaur is a testimony to an extremely rapid burial, which is confirmation that Gawd deposited all creatures of the Earth into distinct fossil beds, sorted them into layers of sediment after their kind, stripped the soft tissues, and replaced them with hard minerals, using the global catastrophe of a Flood a few thousand years ago,” according to the museum.

    There. It runs on a bit, but that’s what Dr. Snelling proposes actually happened.

  • thebookofdave

    Either that was a tag fail, or I was quoting myself in the final sentence.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=827538816 nickcan

    This is bullshit! I want a dinosaur fossil. Granted I have no where to display it, let alone store it, but if someone gave ME a dinosaur fossil, I sure as hell would build a place for it.

  • anubisprime

    Surely if the saddle is missing would that not be the creationists ‘missing link’…

    Without that they are scuppered, they can talk all they like…without that saddle all is speculation!