More Stupid From Rafael Cruz

The Watchmen on the Wall conference put on by the Family Research Council last week was yet another wingnutapalooza, with one speaker after another spouting inane talking points. Ted Cruz’ father, Rafael, was one of them and he had several really dumb things to say:

Cruz argued that the First Amendment “in no way, shape or form” prevents “the church from having an influence on every area of society, as we should.”

“The church should be influencing the media, should be influencing arts and entertainment, sports, education, business and, yes, government,” he added, just so happening to list five of the seven pillars of Seven Mountains Dominionism.

To illustrate this, Cruz listed various instances where he claims the “church remained silent”: the 1963 ruling eliminating government-sponsored prayer in schools, because of which, he claimed, “teen pregnancy skyrocketed and violent crime skyrocketed”; Roe v. Wade; and the Supreme Court’s decision striking down part of the Defense of Marriage Act, which he said led to the “erosion of the traditional family.”

Think about this. That 1963 ruling forbid the government from forcing students to recite government-composed prayers. If that isn’t a violation of the Establishment Clause, what on earth possibly could be? And remember, this is a guy who is constantly yammering about freedom and here he is demanding that he be allowed to force non-Christian children to recite Christian prayers. And which traditional family has been “eroded”? Be specific. What actual family is harmed in any way by same-sex marriage?

“The question is, how long are we going to remain silent?” he said. “But the more important question is, will God hold us accountable for our silence?”

You’ve been remaining silent? You’ve been traveling all over the country spouting this shit for years and you show no signs of stopping. When exactly have you ever been silent? Do you even know what that term means?

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  • Crimson Clupeidae

    Cruz argued that the First Amendment “in no way, shape or form” prevents “the church mosque from having an influence on every area of society, as we should.”

    “The church mosqueshould be influencing the media, should be influencing arts and entertainment, sports, education, business and, yes, government,” he added[.]

    If he still agreed with that, then I might think he’s at least a little consistent.

    I have a feeling I know what he’d say to a similar comment by an imam in the US, though.

    Hint: It rhymes with “reaping Mariah”…..

  • http://artk.typepad.com ArtK

    You’ve been remaining silent? You’ve been traveling all over the country spouting this shit for years and you show no signs of stopping. When exactly have you ever been silent? Do you even know what that term means?

    Things aren’t going his way, which means that the message isn’t getting out — it’s been “silenced.” The idea that the message may be wrong and even repugnant to a majority of people is completely lost on Cruz. He’s so convinced that his ideas are right that it must be something outside that is keeping them from prevailing.

  • Thorne

    You’re doing it wrong, Rafael! You need to spend more time in your closet praying to your god. If you pray long enough, and hard enough, you’ll surely get an answer.

    Probably the godly equivalent of, “Fuck off, asshole,”

  • steve84

    Teen pregnancy went down a lot since the 1960s. It’s still embarrassingly high compared to other countries, but it’s at an all-time low. No wonder considering that before that people didn’t talk about sex, the pill wasn’t available and in some places it was illegal to use contraception or get information about it.

  • http://famousatheists.net/ Famous Atheists

    I bet Rafael Cruz would change his mind very fast if students in public schools were being forced to recite Satanist, Islamic or pagan prayers.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    But how can others enjoy the Freedom I have if I can’t force them to be just like me?

  • http://timgueguen.blogspot.com timgueguen

    Famous Atheists, I would imagine Cruz, despite all but certainly having been raised Roman Catholic, would get upset if students were made to say Catholic versions of prayers in schools.

  • raven

    “The question is, how long are we going to remain silent?” he said. “But the more important question is, will God hold us accountable for our silence?”

    I don’t have any worries about Cruz’s god. If he doesn’t like what I do, he can tell me himself or send me an email like anyone else.

    I do fear Cruz though. Unlike his god who says nothing and does nothing, he says a lot and Cthulhu knows what he would do if he thought he wouldn’t end up in prison for it.

  • John Pieret

    “how long are we going to remain silent” = “how long are we going to let Americans live under a constitutional democracy rather than a theocracy?”

  • comfychair

    The Establishment clause is clearly unconstitutional because it’s not in the Bible.

  • comfychair

    Or: The Establishment clause only means the government can’t force anyone to practice a false religion (i.e. all those other ones that aren’t Americanized Christianity).

  • dingojack

    In 2012 (the latest complete data set the FBI has):

    ◾In 2012, an estimated 1,214,462 violent crimes occurred nationwide, an increase of 0.7 percent from the 2011 estimate.

    ◾When considering 5- and 10-year trends, the 2012 estimated violent crime total was 12.9 percent below the 2008 level and 12.2 below the 2003 level. (See Tables 1 and 1A.)

    ◾There were an estimated 386.9 violent crimes per 100,000 inhabitants in 2012, a rate that remained virtually unchanged when compared to the 2011 estimated rate. (See Tables 1 and 1A.)

    The violent crime rate (SOURCE) in 1960 was:

    160.9 per 100000 (total crime rate 1887.2 per 100000)

    At it’s peak in 1991 the violent crime rate was:

    758.1 per 100000 (total crime rate 5897.8 per 100000)

    2012 violent crime rate:

    386.9 per 100000 (total crime rate 3246.1 per 100000) [that’s lass then 1968 and 1971, respectively].*

    Guess the ‘lack of prayer’ thing is wearing off then.

    Dingo

    ——–

    * the strongest growth in overall crime was 1973/1974, 16.57%. Violent crime grew most 1968/1969, 17.95%.

    Since 1991 /1992 the overall crime rate has been falling by an average of 2.79% per year and the violent crime rate has been falling by an average of 3.12% per year. By 2032 (assuming this trend remains at the average) the total crime rate will be lower than in 1960, by 2040 the violent crime rate will be lower than 1960. The power of not prayer at work!

  • Ichthyic

    “The question is, how long are we going to remain silent?”

    Can I volunteer “forever” as the answer to that question?

    pretty fucking sick and tired of hearing them talk about how they aren’t allowed to talk.

    just, for once, shut the fuck up, go home, and live your own damn life.

  • Ichthyic

    …the bonus side to that is you would actually be MORE productive in saving your religion… if you shut the fuck up and stopped showing everyone just how insane you are.

  • http://www.pandasthumb.org Area Man

    To illustrate this, Cruz listed various instances where he claims the “church remained silent”: the 1963 ruling eliminating government-sponsored prayer in schools, because of which, he claimed, “teen pregnancy skyrocketed and violent crime skyrocketed”

    I wonder how he explains that violent crime and teen pregnancy have since crashed and are now at multi-decade lows, possibly all-time lows. Was government-sponsored prayer reintroduced when no one was looking?

    Actually, I don’t think I would be interested in his explanation, even he were aware enough to know that it needed explaining.

  • D Carter

    “More Stupid from Rafael Cruz!”

    In other stories this morning, “Sun Rose and Birds Sang”

  • comfychair

    We have State-sponsored school prayer (or at least inching damn close to it) here in Mississippi, and our teen pregnancy rate has fallen to absolute zero and median household income is taking off like a rocket!*

    *do not go look up the actual stats for these things, it will just make you cry, better to just believe and be happy

  • comfychair

    Our City Council even passed an ordinance outlawing ‘sagging pants’ which eliminated all gang-related violence instantly the first day it came into effect!

  • http://festeringscabofrealityblogspot.com fifthdentist

    “The question is, how long are we going to remain silent?”

    Fucking words, how do they work?