Beck: #YesAllWoman is Just ‘Man-Bashing’

Glenn Beck is annoyed that women are actually telling their stories of harassment and marginalization on Twitter using the #YesAllWomen hashtag, dismissing it as just “good old-fashioned man-bashing.” Which only proves the need for such stories to be told, don’t you think? It’s just an attempt to silence women from calling out bad male behavior.

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  • StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    Which only proves the need for such stories to be told, don’t you think?

    Yes. Damn right.

  • blf

    Glenn Beck is annoyed

    That’s really all Ed needs to say. And even that is redundant.

  • StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    Maybe the exposure on Beck’s bizarrely apparently popular show will reach some people, despite the smarmy sarcasm of the horrible host.

    Maybe it will make some of its viewers think.

    Fuck I hope so.

  • D Carter

    One problem out there is that those men who do “get it”, and have always gotten it, are getting painted by some (far from all) women and other men with the same brush as that turd in Santa Barbara, and as that turd Glenn Beck for that matter. There are hundreds of comments (Daily Kos, looking at you) telling all men to STFU. In those exact words. In a technicolor display of Self-awareness Deficit, one male commenter took several pages to tell all (other) men to STFU. One woman insisted that only women should be commenting at all. When a man commented anyway (in support), obviously he’s just mansplaining, exercising his male priviliege, a sexist and to be written off as such, ignored by writing pages and pages about him. It’s tiresome. Thank goodness the blogosphere can be nearly orthogonal to real life.

    I love the whole awareness-raising effort–doing some myself on other fronts. But when someone agrees with you, has always agreed with you, perhaps it’s time to stop beating him up.

    The only concern I have about #YesAllWomen is that it stops at complaining–what do they plan to *do* about misogyny? Besides telling men to STFU, that is. There doesn’t seem to be a message beyond that. Though I’m very open to ideas on this, I just don’t see how mysogyny can meaningfully be addressed en masse this way. Outrage, if that’s all you’ve got, is useless, self-indulgent even, and there’s always a turd like Beck to make it something it’s not. Whereas gun access–which was after all what distinguished Santa Barbara from the mass of other misogyny–certainly can be addressed politically, quite directly–and should be. But that’s not where the noise and fireworks are this week. It should be.

  • alanb

    Beck is far from being the only person who has reacted to #YesAllWoman defensively without taking the time to hear or understand what the authors are saying. Yes, some #YesAllWoman posts are hyperbolic generalizations, but most that I’ve seen are of the “here is my story” variety. Evidently Beck (and a good chunk of the Internet) believes that he understands women’s stories better than they do. Why would anyone not want to hear and understand the reality of another human being? . It makes me depressed when I see how many narcissistic douchenozzles like Beck there are in the world.

  • smhll

    Evidently Beck (and a good chunk of the Internet) believes that he understands women’s stories better than they do. Why would anyone not want to hear and understand the reality of another human being? .

    I imagine that people of any gender can see that getting Glenn Beck to STFU for even a brief moment would be a net step forwards.

    One purpose of outrage is to keep repeating it. The repetition helps (indirectly) underline the question “Why aren’t the rest of you (aka “some men) outraged, too?” And adds the idea: “Drink from our outrage and share it.”

    To a major extent the hashtag (YesAllWomen) is an awareness campaign to break through some of the self-centered denial from the mostly young and irrational men who tend to agree with the mysoginistic ideas embraced by Elliott Rodgers in the dark corners of the internet.

    Even though it’s not normal for me to run around telling people to STFU, I think the “shut up” part of the campaign works as follows: Shutting up has to happen before listening can happen. Listening has to happen before comprehension can happen. (Thinking and pondering might be good steps, too.)

  • Evan Brehm

    Huh. I’m disappointed. Beck is usually far more hyperbolic than this. He must not be feeling particularly energetic today.

  • http://cheapsignals.blogspot.com Gretchen

    D Carter said:

    The only concern I have about #YesAllWomen is that it stops at complaining–what do they plan to *do* about misogyny? Besides telling men to STFU, that is.

    Err, many men are participating in #YesAllWomen, and they’re sure as hell not just telling men in general to STFU. If you don’t know that, then maybe you don’t “get it” as much as you think you do.

    Is it the responsibility of gays alone to end homophobia?

    Is it the responsibility of minorities alone to end racism?

    Then why is it the responsibility of women to end misogyny?

    If some men think less of women, who are they going to listen to? Likely not women. More likely men. #YesAllWomen is asking men to step up and talk to other men. Tell them to STFU. And why. Because if they don’t, this is what happens.

  • http://cheapsignals.blogspot.com Gretchen

    Why would anyone not want to hear and understand the reality of another human being?

    Because listening to other people’s experiences drastically increases the possibility of empathizing, and empathizing gets in the way of denying one’s own part in causing the suffering they might describe.

    It takes a big brick wall of empathy inhibition to carry on blaming people– women and minorities, mainly– for the entirety of their problems while simultaneously touting “personal responsibility,” and Glenn Beck has surely got one.

  • ShowMetheData

    To D Carter

    I don’t expect #YesAllWomen to be a full forum for debate. And I expect those who “get it”, to actually “get it” that this hashtag is a place for womens’ stories. STFU is one reasonable response to a system that has consistently ignored womens’ stories.

    Is there no place, like a whole fucking internet, where men can tell their stories about not getting to tell their stories in womens’ spaces about their sufferings in not telling their stories?

    D Carter – “Besides telling men to STFU, that is. There doesn’t seem to be a message beyond that.”

    That is you. That is you ignoring 90% of the thoughts of women. That is you ignoring issues of safety and fear that make up their daily lives. That is you failing to “get it” That is you.

  • caseloweraz

    Spot on, Gretchen. But, to paraphrase Upton Sinclair: It is difficult to get a man to empathize with someone when his income depends on his not empathizing with them.

  • fmitchell

    What the accusations of “man-bashing” and “Not All Men” fail to consider is that, for the most part, nobody is BLAMING all men. Recently I read — maybe here? — that even though 1 in 5 — or some other appalling ratio — of college women report being sexually harassed, the offenders themselves were a tiny fraction of the college population. It took me a little while to realize that “rape culture” didn’t mean all men were potential rapists, but that a small number of rapists were out there and the rest of us were turning a blind eye or making excuses or (worst of all) blaming the victims. (Steubenville really drove this home for me.)

    If I can get this, why can’t other men?

    One REALLY has to wonder about all the men getting defensive, particularly conservatives. Are they turning a blind eye to the flaws in their supposedly perfect patriarchies? Do they chip away at women’s claims because they’d have to take a hard look at their own responsibilities? Or do they refuse to even consider what women say because, like the killers of Harvey Milk and Dr. George Tiller, the UCSB shooter is doing what they in their darkest hearts of hearts wish they could get away with?

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    And what are women even doing on the internet, amirite?

  • D Carter

    Gretchen: read more carefully, it appears it’s you who don’t get it. As I clearly wrote, the people in question are telling *all* men to STFU, because they’re men. Not exactly a convincing strategy–you can see for yourself how well it’s working.

    ShowMetheData: You have no idea whom or what issues I ignore, so when you claim falsely I do, need to “ShowMetheData”. Otherwise you’re just lying.

  • http://cheapsignals.blogspot.com Gretchen

    As I clearly wrote, the people in question are telling *all* men to STFU, because they’re men.

    Yes, you clearly wrote it. Congratulations. Problem is, it’s not true.

    Not exactly a convincing strategy–you can see for yourself how well it’s working.

    It’s working pretty well, for people who are actually listening rather than deciding, like yourself, what they’re being told.

  • http://cheapsignals.blogspot.com Gretchen

    Actually, I’ll step back from that– yes, I’m sure that there are some people saying that ALL men should shut up. However, a) that’s clearly not the majority, and b) I doubt they mean forever. So taking offense at that seems pretty silly. It sounds like an excuse not to take the whole thing seriously.

  • matty1

    There is such a thing as hyperbole, there is also such a thing as using group labels to refer to statements and actions by individuals. If I say “the Americans invaded Iraq” no one would assume every single American took part in or even supported the invasion. In the same way if someone says “Men don’t listen to women” we shouldn’t assume they mean every single man is by definition incapable of listening to women.

    If you want to show that you don’t match a particular image of a group you are a part of then do that – show don’t tell. Demonstrate that you are listening and maybe fewer people will assume that you aren’t.

  • D Carter

    More generally, this is why anti-misogyny, atheism, and other worthy areas often get nowhere, at all. In this case, I wrote about some (I was quite clear it was only some) men and women who gleefully beat up people on their own side, and it isn’t an hour before I’m gleefully beaten up by people on my own side.

    The loudest voices here save their most special venom for moral assaults and false statements about allies they see as falling only 99% into (their idea of) the Party Line. “Maybe you’re not really as genuinely progressive as you think you are.” And all the other crystal-clear signals of uninformed, shallow, anointed-membership thinking that we’re supposed to leave to the conservatives. Racism gets turned into “white privilege”, as though all whites now walking the planet got where they are by unfair advantage and should rightly be torn down for it. And worst and most locally relevant, atheism gets turned into a religion, complete with all the sideshows, suspicious sideways glances, and moral Show Trials that we thought we’d left behind in churches.

    The human comedy, I suppose. Important to have a sense of humor and to understand that progressive movements’ self-destructiveness–a tiny but telling example we’ve seen today–is often why things change so slowly. A habit of breathing fire at allies blinds one to the consequences, which can be dire. Not my original thought: think French Revolution, Leninism, Animal Farm. Probably in 8000 BC the Mesolithics in Corsica had the same stupid arguments: STFU you’re only a man/woman/pagan/oldguy/conformist/freethinker/miner/farmer/rancher I mean what would you know?…complete with–wait for it–the morally superior sneer: “Well, perhaps you’re not really as genuinely Neolithic as you think you are.”

  • http://cheapsignals.blogspot.com Gretchen

    With all due respect, D Carter…..I suspect that that is not, in fact, the reason that worthy causes like anti-misogyny and atheism “often get nowhere at all.”

    In fact, both worthy causes would probably be better off without people whose support is apparently contingent on the willingness of other individuals in those groups being nice to them.

  • ShowMetheData

    You have no idea whom or what issues I ignore

    DCarter, You specifically told us that all you saw #YesAllWomen do was tell men to STFU

    Besides telling men to STFU, that is. There doesn’t seem to be a message beyond that

    Real change? – telling women how they should comment is just the same old

    Go through #YesAllWomen, tweet by tweet and look at it again for things you can do

    TWEET: then #yesallmen can listen to these stories, call out their friends on abusive/misogynistic behaviour, and protect #yesallwomen (this – every day, because it happens every day)

    TWEET: African American women are 8x more likely to be imprisoned–and face assault in prison–than white women. #yesallwomen #yesallwhitewomen (this – social issues support)

    TWEET: Because decisions about our reproductive health are too often dictated by men who don’t understand our needs or bodies (this – give your real support to this is in just one place)

    Do a thing or some things but buy your own reward cookies, because don’t expect women give them to you for doing what is needed.

    Change by men starts in the minds of men.

    Data Shown.

  • karmacat

    D. Carter, if you don’t want to piss people off, this is what you say. “I support women speaking out about their experiences. Is there something I and other people can do to translate this into more concrete changes?” If you go in and say, “okay, but what is the point” people are going to say STFU. They are going to think of you as the “yes, but”, person. A person who detracts from issue but never contributes

  • Pen

    #YesAllMen – a forum for men to talk about all those times when women have made them aware of horrible things men have done.

  • smhll

    The loudest voices here save their most special venom for moral assaults and false statements about allies they see as falling only 99% into (their idea of) the Party Line.

    I see this on occasion, yes, but I’d find it a lot more persuasive if you cited actual text rather than paraphrasing based on your impressions of what people said. Challenging material is worth reading twice.

    A lot of women who are raising their voices on Twitter right now are yelling AT the shooter, and AT the men in their lives who scared them (perhaps by reminding them of the shooter) that it wasn’t safe to yell at. There’s a pretty compelling need to vent there. I hope you can empathize.

    Also, individual feminists, especially when pissed off, aren’t representing the entirety of the movement. I don’t endorse every single thing they have said. Is what they have said so deeply wrong that you find it really important? Maybe you really don’t like some of the words and sentences in the debate, but a couple of raisins in the batter aren’t the whole plate of cookies.

  • dougmasson

    DCarter, You specifically told us that all you saw #YesAllWomen do was tell men to STFU

    Where did you get that? He specifically told us that he saw women tell men to STFU. But, #NotAllWomen. Why did you think he was talking about all women?

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    More generally, this is why anti-misogyny, atheism, and other worthy areas often get nowhere…

    Define “often.” And given that many such “areas” have shown positive results, big or small, you should probably define what you mean by “nowhere” as well.

  • Nick Gotts

    Shorter D Carter:

    But what about the menz??? What about meeeeee??? Why aren’t these women grateful to allies like me? Why don’t they recognise what a nice guy I am???

  • Chris from Europe

    I read a few of the these DK diaries and some men were extremely focused on one thing: Derailing.

    There were a lot of male commenters who had no problem and were quite obviously not told to STFU, but that other group fails to realize that they might actually have a problem, not the people telling them to STFU.

    There are lots of men who harp on wording that only they manage to find offensive (you have to try really hard …). There were a lot of proclamations, for example, that a female commenter/diarist meant *all* men, and the she was sexist (and one clown even said she was racist for not excluding black men) and implicity therefore everything she said could be disregarded.

    All of those people feel insulted without any reason. The fact that they could be criticized unfairly seems to be pretty irrelevant to me compared to the experiences described by the women in these diaries.

    As a man I hadn’t recognized this behavior, but it was apparently well-known to the female commenters: Whenever they try to talk about their issues, guys come alone feeling attacked and do everything they can to derail and shut down the discussion.

  • Rey Fox

    A habit of breathing fire at allies blinds one to the consequences, which can be dire.

    DOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!

    A habit of breathing fire at allies blinds one to the consequences, which can be dire. Not my original thought: think French Revolution, Leninism, Animal Farm.

    Wow, managed to get two real examples put before resorting to a fictional one.

  • dingojack

    Chris from Europe – While I can see what you’re saying, I’d be careful with the argument:

    “There are lots of men women who harp on wording that only they manage to find offensive (you have to try really hard …). ”

    Sound familiar?

    Let the MRA’s make those kinds of bad arguments it shows their intent.

    Dingo

  • eric

    D Carter:

    One problem out there is that those men who do “get it”, and have always gotten it, are getting painted by some (far from all) women and other men with the same brush as that turd in Santa Barbara, and as that turd Glenn Beck for that matter. There are hundreds of comments (Daily Kos, looking at you) telling all men to STFU.

    So ignore those comments. Read the stories, read the good comments on those stories, take lessons from them, and go on with your life from there. Complaining that someone said something that offended you in an internet comment is kind of like complaining that your TV is turned into a bad show; there’s a pretty obvious fix for that, one which doesn’t involve complaining to the world.

  • lorn

    Hey, don’t be making fun of Beck being annoyed. His annoyance comes in two flavors: with and without crying.