Nope, THIS is the Dumbest Thing Said About Isla Vista Shootings

It seems the Christian right is having a competition to see who can say the dumbest thing about the Isla Vista shootings by a deeply misogynistic young man. Every day I read something that tops what I read the day before. Today it’s a column in Charisma by Ted Baehr and Tom Snyder blaming it all on “anti-Christ bigotry.”

In his manifesto, he expresses rage against “beautiful” men and women who get all the sex partners they want, while he, at 22, still remains a virgin. He says his upcoming murder spree is a “day of retribution” against these people and against society.

Where did this young murderer get his narcissistic views about sex?

Well, for decades, the mass media—not only through thousands of books and movies, but also through the national “news” media and popular music—has been promoting the so-called “Sexual Revolution,” an anti-Christian, unbiblical view of sexual morality.

This pagan ideology has undermined the institutions of marriage and the family, along with the moral fabric of the United States and many other countries.

In that light, it’s important to note also that the mass media too often not only has been apathetic but also overtly antagonistic toward religion, especially Christianity and those of us who believe in the Bible.

This anti-Christian bigotry in the mass media has created a culture of anti-Christian bigotry and atheist advocacy.

Thus, one thing that stands out like a sore thumb in the life of all of the murderers mentioned above is the lack of religious training and spiritual expression in their lives. Instead of nurturing a personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ, all of these murderers seem obsessed by their own hedonistic pursuits.

Without God, and the salvation that comes through Jesus Christ, by the power of the Holy Spirit, people become narcissistic monsters looking for the next victim they can devour.

The solution to this is the gospel of Jesus Christ. Spreading that gospel is the best way to stop further media terrorism like what happened Friday night.

Okay, so why is that the Western countries with the lowest rates of religious belief are also the least violent? If belief in God is the key to preventing mass murders, why don’t see more mass murders in, say, Denmark or the Netherlands? And why don’t we see atheists committing more of those murders? Oh yeah, that would require that the argument be logical. My bad.

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  • busterggi

    And the next mass murdering Christian who claims it was done for Jesus will be called not a ‘true’ Christian. It must be nice to not be able to lose.

  • jazzbot

    Perhaps his whole problem with not ever getting laid was that he thought he was God’s gift to women, but the women disagreed.

  • eric

    Thus, one thing that stands out like a sore thumb in the life of all of the murderers mentioned above is the lack of religious training and spiritual expression in their lives.

    Yeah, when I think of Charles Manson or Jim Jones, its their lack of religious or spritual expression that always springs to mind.

  • Ally Fogg

    Perhaps his whole problem with not ever getting laid was that he thought he was God’s gift to women, but the women disagreed.

    I thought you were going to say “but God disagreed”

  • John Pieret

    Okay, so why is that the Western countries with the lowest rates of religious belief are also the least violent?

    They’re too busy getting laid?

    Spreading that gospel is the best way to stop further media terrorism like what happened Friday night.

    “Media terrorism “? Was there a rampage of newscasters that I didn’t hear about?

  • DonDueed

    I do agree with Baehr and Snyder in one sense: the mass media in general do give an unrealistic portrayal of male-female relationships. This is especially true of certain subgenres, such as comics, fantasy, and (especially) most porn.

    It’s not unreasonable to suggest that constant exposure to that type of mass media could produce unrealistic expectations among people who have trouble telling fiction from reality.

    Their insistence that their particular religious delusion is the fix for that problem is ridiculous, of course.

  • D. C. Sessions

    Oh yeah, that would require that the argument be logical.

    It’s not that they aren’t logical — they can be very logical. It’s that “falsifiability” doesn’t have any place in their epistemology. It can’t — they’ve built it around the superiority of faith in the absence (or perhaps in the face) of evidence.

    Start from the axiom that all evil stems from lack of (True) Chrisitian Faith™ and you get exactly his position above.

    It’s a perfect example of Determined Exponents Repeating Priors.

  • comfychair

    This world they live in, what a strange place. Any event or thing or whatever can be twisted around to support their predetermined position. And then, any lack of an event or thing or whatever can ALSO be twisted around to support their predetermined position.

    For fuck’s sake, has there ever been a less self-aware movement in all of history than these people?

  • D. C. Sessions

    For fuck’s sake, has there ever been a less self-aware movement in all of history than these people?

    I’m sure that there have been quite a few. However, the current crop may well take the prize for the amount of effort they put into it.

  • dingojack

    “Thus, one thing that stands out like a sore thumb in the life of all of the murderers mentioned above is the lack of religious training and spiritual expression in their lives.”

    What as opposed to that all round nice-guy, and seminary student, Joe Stalin, you mean?

    Dingo

  • colnago80

    Re dingojack @ #10

    It should also not be forgotten that one Adolf Schickelgruber also proclaimed loudly and at great length at what a devout Christian he was. Cue the blog’s resident physics professor and math department chairman with his no true Scotsman shtick.

  • eric

    It’s not unreasonable to suggest that constant exposure to that type of mass media could produce unrealistic expectations among people who have trouble telling fiction from reality.

    There’s always going to be something of a tension between free expression and mental harm or manipulation; humans being imperfect, there’s always going to be that 1% or 0.1 or 0.01% or whatever percent of the population that “can’t handle” someone else’s free expression, and either responds with violence or is affected by it in a way that is bad for them, and probably bad for the people around them. I think it’s a legitimate question to ask whether some expression may be so harmful to some members of our society that we need to control or ban it. Having said that, I think the answer to that question, 99+% of the time, is that educating people in how to separate fiction from reality, in how to be resilient in the face of other people’s expressions, is a far far better solution than censorship. Free expression is such a social good that we should want our people to be able to handle living with it. And I’ll make the somewhat controversial and possibly offensive comment that we should not limit speech and expression based on what the most vulnerable 0.01% (or whatever) of our society can’t handle. There is some evidence that mean speech causes actual, neurological harm. Our response to that finding should not be to ban insults. It should be to ask what level of harm are we willing to accept to keep the social good of free speech, with the understanding that any reasonable answer to that question is going to have to have a value higher than “none,” no matter how much that sucks to say.

  • dingojack

    SLC – as to the foremost, who?

    Dingo

  • caseloweraz

    Baehr & Snyder: Thus, one thing that stands out like a sore thumb in the life of all of the murderers mentioned above is the lack of religious training and spiritual expression in their lives.

    Wikipedia: In 1951 Louise met Johnny Culpepper Bundy, a hospital cook, at an adult singles night at Tacoma’s First Methodist Church.[24] They married later that year and Johnny Bundy formally adopted Ted.

    That snippet refers to Louise Cowell, the mother of Ted Bundy. So Ted was raised as a Methodist? I guess B & S would say his parents weren’t devout enough. I would say in response that they need to make their list of murderers more comprehensive. Christianity pervades American society, so it’s reasonable to expect that a significant percentage of the murderers in it have some exposure to the gospel of Jesus Christ.

  • caseloweraz

    Baehr & Snyder: Without God, and the salvation that comes through Jesus Christ, by the power of the Holy Spirit, [men] become narcissistic monsters looking for the next victim they can devour.

    FTFY.

    So what they’re saying is that we (atheists) are all Elliot Rodgers.

    OK — who wants to be devoured? /sarc

  • dingojack

    What did I say earlier? Oh yeah that’s right, this.

    Dingo

  • D. C. Sessions

    Thus, one thing that stands out like a sore thumb in the life of all of the murderers mentioned above is the lack of religious training and spiritual expression in their lives.

    As distinct from, for instance, Tomas de Torquemada. Or perhaps Richelieu (or any number of Popes) although to be fair they mostly had others do their dirty work.

  • http://artk.typepad.com ArtK

    I think that we should simplify the categories into “dumb” and “not-dumb.” Trying to decide which is dumber is like trying to decide whether you’d like to have a colonoscopy or an endoscopy. Without anaesthesia.

  • http://artk.typepad.com ArtK

    Their basic assumption is that religion is sufficient for moral behavior. Sadly, all of the evidence shows that religion is neither sufficient, nor even necessary for someone to be good.

    @ dingojack

    SLC – as to the foremost, who.

    He’s got the worst case of Hitler-tourette’s on record.

    @ D.C. Sessions

    I’m sure that there have been quite a few. However, the current crop may well take the prize for the amount of effort they put into it.

    I don’t know that they are any worse, nor are they putting more effort into it. Given modern media, they can spread their “word” far and wide.

  • http://www.pandasthumb.org Area Man

    Without God, and the salvation that comes through Jesus Christ, by the power of the Holy Spirit, people become narcissistic monsters looking for the next victim they can devour.

    If I were a narcissist, I would probably take a horrible tragedy that had nothing to do with me and turn all of the attention toward me and my belief system, posturing myself as the real victim while the bodies were still warm.

  • dingojack
  • http://artk.typepad.com ArtK

    This is a rework of a comment I posted on Ophelia’s blog a while back.

    The causes of Rodger’s attack are many and interrelated. Different groups are going to frame the problem in terms of their favorite bugaboo. Or perhaps in the bugaboo that directs attention away from the group’s interest. Gun control advocates will frame this as a gun control issue; guns rights advocates will make it about mental health. MRAs will frame it as the perfidy of women. The Christian right frame it as a lack of God.

    IMO, some of these are legitimate, to a greater or lesser degree. Some are not.

    We could take all of the multitude of axes (misogyny, guns, mental health, the media, etc.) graph them on a n-space chart and point to the intersection and say “There! There is Elliott Rodger!” I’m not sure what good that would do, beyond pointing out that it’s a complex problem.

    In a way, it’s right that different fora concentrate on different issues. I don’t expect to read Ophelia’s blog and get a discussion of gun control. I don’t expect a reasoned discussion of misogyny on a gun control forum. What is wrong (and we’re seeing a lot of it) is using one issue to deny the existence of one or all of the others.

    Is it reasonable to have a discussion of the role the media play? Absolutely. Is it right to blame the media for all that is bad? Absolutely not.

  • D. C. Sessions

    I don’t know that they are any worse, nor are they putting more effort into it. Given modern media, they can spread their “word” far and wide.

    But those modern media also makes it much harder than it once was to stay completely innocent ignorant, even of your own mental processes.

  • kagekiri

    an anti-Christian, unbiblical view of sexual morality.

    Ooooh, let’s see what morality the most religious men offer in the Bible:

    David, the man known to Christianity as the “One after God’s own heart”, the author of many Psalms and Proverbs?

    He committed conspiracy to mass murder in order to steal the wife of one of his most loyal men. He had his men charge an enemy position knowing they’d die, all in order to take advantage of a widow.

    So for all of his love for God, David was a traitorous, mass-murdering narcissist.

  • dingojack

    And wasn’t David’s relationship with Jonathan, errm, close? *

    Dingo

    ——–

    1 Samuel 18:1-3

    1 And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul.

    2 And Saul took him that day, and would let him go no more home to his father’s house.

    3 Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul.

    cf.

    Genesis 2:20-25

    20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

    21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

    22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

    23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

    24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

    25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

  • comfychair

    But, it can’t be ‘murder’ or ‘rape’ or ‘pillage’ if God tells you to do it! That’s why nothing bad has ever been done by a True Believer.