Same Stupid Arguments, Different State

Just like the coalition of Christian ministers in Michigan that has been spouting nonsensical arguments against same-sex marriage, Pennsylvania has its own group saying the same stupid things. They held a press conference at the PA state capitol to condemn Judge Jones and his ruling striking down their ban on same-sex marriage.

Flanked by about 20 heads of churches, Sam Rohrer, president of the Pennsylvania Pastors Network and the American Pastors Network, denounced U.S. Middle District Judge John Jones as an activist judge who had taken the law into his own hands and had invalidated the highest law in the land – that of God’s law – when he struck down the state’s 1996 Defense of Marriage Act, legalizing same-gender marriage.

“Let’s be clear, this ruling was made by one man – a federal district judge unelected and unaccountable. Politically appointed, never facing the voters and never answering to the press, many people in this position when unrestrained by moral truth, perceive themselves to be above the law,” said Rohrer, who held the press conference in the Rotunda of the state Capitol. “Indeed, their arrogance makes them appear as if they think they are God.”

Yes, Judge Jones is unelected — exactly the way those Founding Fathers you claim to revere so much required it in the Constitution you claim to be so devoted to. Unelected judges are one of the smartest provisions in that Constitution. Funny how you only complain about that when one of them hands down a ruling you don’t like.

Rohrer accused Jones – who in ruling the former ban on gay marriage as a violation of constitutional rights said the law should be “discarded into the ash heap of history”…because “we are better people than these laws” – of aggressive ideological elitism. The pastor added that Jones seemed to have an “undeveloped or distorted understanding” of the basis for civil law, adding that the judge may have been motivated by an intentional defiance of God.

“This divine law established by God Himself created not only the concept of family but the very precise definition of marriage as being between one man and one woman,” Rohrer said.

Your “divine law” is completely irrelevant in this country, which is not a theocracy. If you want a country that runs on “divine law,” may I suggest Iran or Pakistan?

The Rev. Todd Johnson, pastor at First Immanuel Baptist Church in Philadelphia, said the future welfare of the black community hinged on the protection of traditional marriage.

The Rev. Todd Johnson, of First Immanuel Baptist Church in Philadelphia, said gay marriage would further erode the black community.

“Marriage is biblical and sacred honor between one man and one woman,” he said. “In the African-American community, the statistics are overwhelming: in traditional families anchored by the marriage of one man and one woman, children are less likely to commit a crime, less likely to have babies out of wedlock, more likely to graduate from school, and more likely to participate in the workforce in a meaningful way.”

Johnson said the uptick in negative statistics in the black community has coincided with the dismantling of the nuclear family.

“Governor Corbett’s decision shows a lack of traditional moral leadership, and in the end, it will have a tremendously negative impact on the already declining family structure in the urban African-American community,” Johnson said.

Oh, this same old argument again. Let’s try to make it into a syllogism:

P: Marriage is good for parents and children and society

P: [nothing]

C: Therefore we can’t let gay people get married

There’s that big missing piece of the argument, the part where letting gay people get married will do anything whatsoever to affect the marriages of straight people. Does this guy think that if we let gay people get married, black men will suddenly decide they don’t like women and all become gay? That’s the only way his argument could even remotely make sense.

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  • Synfandel

    I doubt God had standing.

  • http://howlandbolton.com richardelguru

    Next move: they’re gonna hold their collective breath until they turn purple, lie on the floor, and thrash their arms and legs about.

    That’s bound to work for them.

  • Kevin Kehres

    black men will suddenly decide they don’t like women and all become gay

    No. Black women will all become gay. Leaving black men with no one to canoodle with.

    I’m sure that with only the slightest bit of trying, you’d be able to find someone who got hetero-divorced to become gay-married. In fact, a friend of mine is now gay-married and has children from a previous hetero marriage. One wonders why the pastors aren’t trotting these situations out in their press conferences? Probably because both parties are relieved to not be living a lie.

    Frankly, I think gay marriage will end up reducing the divorce rate among the hetero community. Because no one will feel the need to “fit in” with heteronormal behavior. Fewer closeted gay people marrying for all the wrong reasons.

    It’s my hypothesis, then, that gay marriage will actually strengthen marriage overall.

  • Synfandel

    Why did Reverend Johnson mention the ‘black community’? Why do Americans feel the need to bring race into every discussion? It’s completely irrelevant to the issue of recognition of same-sex marriage.

  • matty1

    “This divine law established by God Himself created not only the concept of family but the very precise definition of marriage as being between one man and one woman”

    None of King Solomon’s wives was available to comment.

  • eric

    This divine law established by God Himself created not only the concept of family but the very precise definition of marriage…

    Marriage is biblical and sacred honor

    What a great example of bipartisanship. The liberals bring the court cases in favor of SSM, and the conservatives supply the ammo.

  • Chiroptera

    …and had invalidated the highest law in the land – that of God’s law….

    I’ve said this before, and I’ll say it again:

    I don’t know what “land” these clowns come from, but the highest law of the United States is the Constitution.

  • http://wordsgood4598.wordpress.com/author/wordsgood4598/ wordsgood

    Maybe the good pastor should try a hunger strike next? Oh wait, that didn’t work for the last guy either.

  • colnago80

    Re matty1 @ #5

    Nor his concubines.

  • Johnny Vector

    in traditional families anchored by the marriage of one man and one woman, children are less likely to … have babies out of wedlock

    Hah! Can’t argue with that, can we? He’s run rings around us, logically.

  • gshelley

    Someone on their side really needs to let them know that they are supposed to pretend to have non religious reasons for opposing SSM.

  • petemoulton

    Judge Jones has displayed considerable acumen since GW Bush appointed him, in what has to be the only example of good judgment Bush ever committed during the eight interminable years of his misbegotten Presidency.

    This is the very same judge who presided over the Kitzmiller, et al vs Dover School Board trial, and we all know how that went.

  • pocketnerd

    Thus Spake ZaraEd Brayton:

    Oh, this same old argument again. Let’s try to make it into a syllogism:

    P: Marriage is good for parents and children and society

    P: [nothing]

    C: Therefore we can’t let gay people get married

    As usual, the unspoken premise is “Gay sex is so unbelievably, irresistably HAWWWT that nobody would bother marrying the opposite sex without cultural and legal pressure to do so.”

    Feel free to draw your own conclusions about any self-identified “heterosexual” who thinks this is true.

  • Taz

    “How dare the judge be this arrogant. Let me tell exactly what god is thinking.”

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    I’m waiting for FoxNews coverage of The Gays scaring the New Black Panthers away from wedding ceremonies.

  • petemoulton

    Or, maybe terrorizing the next NRA convention…

  • scienceavenger

    Does this guy think that if we let gay people get married, black men will suddenly decide they don’t like women and all become gay?

    I think it’s the opposite. He thinks if we quit pandering to the gayz and their perversions, they’ll shape up and act right. I’ll bet a dime to a dollar that if pushed he’d claim no one is REALLY gay, they’ve just been the victim of bad life influences.

  • cptdoom

    “In the African-American community, the statistics are overwhelming: in traditional families anchored by the marriage of one man and one woman, children are less likely to commit a crime, less likely to have babies out of wedlock, more likely to graduate from school, and more likely to participate in the workforce in a meaningful way.”

    You know what else is true about the African-American community, Mr. Johnson, African-American same-sex couples are nearly twice as likely as non-hispanic white same-sex couples. http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Gates-CouplesRaceEthnicity-April-2012.pdf

    Those families are incapable of raising decent children, right?

  • Forbidden Snowflake

    invalidated the highest law in the land – that of God’s law

    I was under the impression religious people refer to “law of the land” and “God’s law” as two distinct things.

  • John Pieret

    the law into his own hands and had invalidated the highest law in the land – that of God’s law

    Gee, I don’t know that one … but I’m going over to the law library latter today. Care to give me a reference so I can look it up?

  • dingojack

    Synfandel (#4) – Scroll down, underneath a quotation (on the left hand side of the page) is a photo of The Rev. Todd Johnson speaking at the podium.

    Any other silly questions?

    Dingo

  • Ichthyic

    I’ll bet a dime to a dollar that if pushed he’d claim no one is REALLY gay, they’ve just been the victim of bad life influences.

    no bet. It’s the exact same argument they use with “nobody is really an atheist, they’re just angry at god”.

    denial and projection is all the religious have. their faith is propped up by nothing more than psychological defense mechanisms.