Carson Continues the Tour of Lies

Ben Carson has a new book out and he continues to flat-out lie in order to defend his idiotic statement that the Affordable Care Act was the worst thing to happen to America since slavery. Oh, and worse than 9/11 too. Let’s watch him erect the straw man:

The conservative darling was promoting his new book One Nation: What We Can All Do to Save America’s Future when he agreed to speak to the Beast’s Evan Gahr, who asked, “You said Obamacare was the worst thing since slavery. Why do you think it was worse than 9/11?”

“Because 9/11 is an isolated incident,” Carson replied…

Carson: “Things that are isolated issues as opposed to things that fundamentally change the United Sates of America and shift power from the people to the government. That is a huge shift.”

Me: “Right. But what do you think caused specific families more pain — Obamacare or Osama?”

Carson: “You have to take a long term.”

Me: “You’re not answering the question.”

Carson: “Will you listen? You have to take a long-term look at something that fundamentally changes the power structure of America. You have to be someone who reads. Who is well-read. I want you to go back tonight and pull out what Saul Alinsky says about health care under the control of the government.”

All one big steaming pile of dishonest. The ACA does not, in any way, shape or form, bring “health care under the control of the government.” It’s subsidized private insurance, that’s all. There isn’t even a public option, much less a single-payer, nationalized health care system in it. And how anyone could possibly imagine that it would “shift power from the people to the government” is beyond me.

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  • countryboy

    My only objection is that buying insurance out of your own pocket is mandatory under threat of punishment by the IRS.

  • raven

    1. Actually, the federal government is and has been involved in funding health care for decades. Medicaid and especially Medicare. These are huge programs. And Medicare is wildly popular. I suppose it is only socialism when you are under 65 and poor.

    2. Actually the ACA is a minor tweak to our existing kludged together health care system. It was targeting an enrollment of 7 million the first year, a small number of the 317 million people in the USA.

    3. The ACA answers a serious problem in our society. Poor people without good access to health care.

    What is the GOP alternative? It’s pretty obvious and they’ve even said it. Let them die in the street.

    Ayn Rand would approve. Even though she was treated under Medicare at the end of her life for lung cancer.

  • http://www.clanfield.net janiceintoronto

    I just don’t understand why the U.S. doesn’t take a page from other countries socialized medicine programs. What’s so bad about taking care of -everyone-?

    No, it’s not perfect, but it’s better than the lopsided level of care for your citizens.

    I feel badly for your poor. It’s just inhumane that people can’t get universal care.

    But what do I know? I’m just another poor deluded fool from Canuckistan.

  • D. C. Sessions

    Tell me that 9/11 was an isolated incident that didn’t change America in any fundamental way after you’ve flown on commercial air and when Edward Snowden stands next to you on the podium.

  • Michael Heath

    Ben Carson states:

    Things that are isolated issues as opposed to things that fundamentally change the United Sates of America and shift power from the people to the government. That [Obamacare] is a huge shift.”

    The biggest shift under Obamacare is that the law now requires the government to act as a more effective fiduciary/agent for the people vs. the healthcare industry.

    Ben Carson states:

    You have to be someone who reads. Who is well-read.

    Mr. Carson’s reading role models appear to be Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck.

  • sunsangnim

    How can he say 9/11 didn’t cause a massive change in the country? There was a huge increase in the government’s power. Doesn’t this clown remember the past 13 years? Maybe he was fine with Bush spying on us, just not Obama.

  • Al Dente

    what Saul Alinsky says

    Saul Alinsky has been dead for over 40 years but he’s still a conservative bugaboo.

  • Nemo

    You have to read “… shift power from the people to the government,” as “… shift power from the insurance companies to the government.” Then it makes sense.

    Corporations are people, my friend.

  • colnago80

    Re Al Dente @ #7

    Funnily enough, conservatives are the biggest fans of Alinsky, even though they don’t realize it. Alinsky preached that the way to progress was to “rub raw the sores of discontent”. That’s exactly what the teabaggers do, with considerable success.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    The ACA does not, in any way, shape or form, bring “health care under the control of the government.” It’s subsidized private insurance, that’s all. There isn’t even a public option, much less a single-payer, nationalized health care system in it.

    Exactly. It’s Socialism*.

     

    And how anyone could possibly imagine that it would “shift power from the people to the government” is beyond me.

    It does. It forces Republicans to be against things they used to pretend to be for.

     

    D. C. Sessions “Tell me that 9/11 was an isolated incident that didn’t change America in any fundamental way after you’ve flown on commercial air and when Edward Snowden stands next to you on the podium.”

    Also, when all your emails arrive already marked “read”.

  • John Pieret

    “Will you listen? You have to take a long-term look at something that fundamentally changes the power structure of America. You have to be someone who reads. Who is well-read. I want you to go back tonight and pull out what Saul Alinsky says about health care under the control of the government.”

    Why? You are just making the same bare assertion over and over again. If you can’t explain it, it is because you don’t understand what you are saying or because you’re lying. In either case, why would anyone bother?

  • D. C. Sessions

    You have to take a long-term look at something that fundamentally changes the power structure of America.

    In fairness, there is actually a rational way to read this as an accurate statement about something that Republicans have good cause to fear.

    Just think of what happens if Obamacare actually goes into full effect despite everything they can do and turns out to be as popular as Romneycare in MA or Kynect in KY.

    Yeah, that: not a pretty thing for Republicans.

  • dogmeat

    Janice@3:

    I just don’t understand why the U.S. doesn’t take a page from other countries socialized medicine programs. What’s so bad about taking care of -everyone-?

    There are a large number of Americans who would prefer this type of system. Unfortunately the medical industries (pharma, insurance companies, etc.) have a very powerful lobby. A universal system died early in the debate, then the Public Option (Obama’s actual plan) died, then we ended up with Romney Care, the conservative plan with some minor tweaks.

    Sadly, today in the US, a conservative plan like the ACA is now not just “liberal,” but radical socialism, and shouting “NO” at the top of your lungs over and over again is considered a viable alternative healthcare reform plan.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    dogmeat “Sadly, today in the US, a conservative plan like the ACA is now not just “liberal,” but radical socialism, and shouting “NO” at the top of your lungs over and over again is considered a viable alternative healthcare reform plan.”

    To be fair, as “The Party of Ideas” they have a plan. One that they don’t intend to enact. Just like last time.

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    I already had one democomneologism for the day:

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    nounish.: Most anything said by the ReiKKKwing of the GOP, iow, the GOP

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    **&***Assemblies of reptilicans which are noted for their use of assertions which are not intended to be factual, o/k/a RNC conventions. both terms of artlessness (TM) (Sm) (c) 2014 democommie media and ministries, M.I.C., K.E.Y, URNSOB; not be confused with democommie ministries and media MDA, DMSO and SSM.

  • eric

    My only objection is that buying insurance out of your own pocket is mandatory under threat of punishment by the IRS.

    It is kludgy and annoying, but the GOP shut down the more rational option of using taxes/taxation. We Americans do silly things like this all the time. To give an example: I bet during your next visit to the voting booth, you’ll see a bunch of bond measures but no tax increases…even though your county/state will use taxes to pay off the bonds, resulting in a cost for that service 5% or so higher than it would’ve been if they’d just used a tax. Americans’ opposition to taxation is so irrational that our governments – federal, state, and local – are forced to use wierder, less efficient methods of doing the exact same thing (collecting money to supply a service or benefit). The ACA penalty is just a wierd, inefficient method of taxing you so the government doesn’t have to say the word “tax.”

    I just don’t understand why the U.S. doesn’t take a page from other countries socialized medicine programs. What’s so bad about taking care of -everyone-?

    Its like dogmeat says; our congress considered several options, but the only one that could pass was the one we got.

  • scienceavenger

    The nice thing about Alinsky references is they are one of the best indicators out there that the speaker is a dishonest blithering partisan idiot.