Gay is a Choice; Anti-Gay is Innate

Peter LaBarbera, like most anti-gay bigots, thinks that people choose to be gay. But during an interview with a former reporter for Alex Jones’ network, he declares that being anti-gay is not a choice, it’s innate, and can only be removed through brainwashing.

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  • John Pieret

    [T]here is a natural inhibition against homosexual behavior … I’m worried that young people are so brainwashed and they’re so indoctrinated that they’re losing that natural sense that we have.

    Bryan Fischer to the white courtesy phone, please.

    If homosexuality was so normal, why is it every man’s instinctive response at first is to be disgusted by that?

    GIGO.

  • blf

    …and can only be removed through brainwashing.

    That presumes you can find a brain to wash.

  • alanb

    Hmmm. I grew up while homosexuality was still considered a mental illness, so there was nobody trying to brainwash me, and yet I somehow failed to develop a natural revulsion. But then I was also when of those strange kids who couldn’t understand why nigg black people were inferior to me, so maybe I have some kind of genetic mutation that made me abnormal.

  • anubisprime

    You see it is not the fault of the ‘bigots’ that they are all dimfuckwads of the highest order, tis nature and they can’t help it, so have respect for their hatred…it is what jeebus would do!

  • Chiroptera

    Remember, this is the crowd that thinks that just not forcing kids to pray is anti-Christian brainwashing.

  • RickR

    I remember very well when I was a young lad, discovering my “totally consciously-chosen, honest!” homosex desires, and strangely enough, I had no “innate, inborn” revulsion I needed to brainwash out of me before I could find that thinking about hunky guys gave me a stiffy.

    Funny, that.

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    Anti-choice IS innate; in the same sense that stupidity is innate.

  • Synfandel

    Mr. LaBarbera either is unable to, or refuses to, understand that people can think and feel differently.

    [T]here is a natural inhibition against homosexual behavior … I’m worried that young people are so brainwashed and they’re so indoctrinated that they’re losing that natural sense that we have.

    There is, indeed, a natural inhibition against participating in homosexual behaviour in most straight people. And those people are at no risk at all of losing it. There is, however, no natural inhibition against homosexual behaviour in homosexual people and they are at no risk at all of acquiring it. The most likely source of such an inhibition would be social pressure.

    If homosexuality was so normal, why is it every man’s instinctive response at first is to be disgusted by that?

    It is not every man’s instinctive response at first to be disgusted by that. It is most straight people’s instinctive response to feel an aversion to participating in homosexual practices, but it is most gay people’s instinctive response to feel excited by the prospect.

  • Al Dente

    So according to LaBarbera gay men wake up one morning and say to themselves: “I want to a a member of a despised, discriminated against minority. That would be totally cool!”

  • Synfandel

    No, Al Dente, they don’t wake up one morning; they are seduced by “the gay agenda.”

  • scienceavenger

    The notion that gay people choose to be gay has to top the list of implausible “what planet do you live on” delusions. Even a 6,000 year old earth has more going for it.

  • http://www.gregory-gadow.net Gregory in Seattle

    So losing this alleged “anti-gay bias” requires brainwashing. And, based on the right wing rhetoric of not too long ago, that brainwashing occurs just by having a gay teacher (open or not) or seeing a same-sex couple holding hands.

    Do they really believe that everyone else is as empty-minded as them?

  • Dweller in Darkness

    Eh, I don’t doubt that there’s some element of choice involved. Sexuality is a spectrum, not opposing poles. That said, there are certainly natural proclivities and in some cases they simply cannot be ignored, shoved down or programmed away. And no one should ever even try.

    I mean, I really dig spicy food. Love it. I can eat jalapenos like they’re cherry tomatoes. My wife likes spice, but pretty much sticks with mild wing sauce, and she uses the blue cheese dressing. My mother-in-law thinks that spicy food is horrible, to the extent that she doesn’t like putting black pepper in or on any of her food.

    If we can exist comfortably across this spectrum, I fail to see why we can’t let people do the same with their sexuality.

  • newfie

    someone ask LaBarbera when he gave up his same sex attraction, and chose to be hetero

  • vmanis1

    I will confess I didn’t watch the video. Listening to LaBarbera within 12 hours of eating tends to make me nauseous.

    However, to expect any logical sense to come from the anti-gay wingnuts is like looking at Mars through a high-power telescope and trying to work out a map of the canals: neither actually exists. Essentially, their screeds consist of whatever they can think of to say against LGBTs, whether or not it actually makes sense. I am reminded of the incident reported on here a couple of weeks ago, where Tony Pervertkins claimed on television that the `science is in’ proving that same-sex couples can’t raise children as well as opposite-sex couples, and then 45 seconds later claimed that `the science isn’t all in’ when he was challenged. (Presumably the science came in, changed its shirt, and went out again.)

    Looking for some logical argument against this farrago is, IMHO, a complete waste of time. Ultimately their arguments come down to `I don’t like LGBTs’. This is most likely a true statement (except for the grifters), and, since it refers to their internal emotional states, not capable of refutation.

  • Shatterface

    Even if being gay was 100% choice that’s 100% a choice people are entitled to make for themselves.

    And if people are born homophobic, so what? They’re born incapable of using a toilet. Most people grow out of sitting in their own feces.

  • Matt G

    Synfandel @8- I think that the idea that we all think differently is a foreign concept to a huge chunk of the population. I once sat on a jury, listening to the same testimony, and was astonished that four of us concluded that the defendant was guilty WELL beyond a reasonable doubt, while the remaining two were THOROUGHLY convinced not only that he was innocent but that his being on trial in the first place was a disgrace! How can people deny evolution? How can people deny climate change? How can people believe in miracles and an afterlife? That people might feel differently as well is, I’m sure, equally foreign.

  • bethy

    This is so incredibly fucking stupid it’s bordering on genius.

    Who else could have come up with such an insane view point that is so counterintuitive I feel my brain slowly leaking out of my ears?

    Nobody! Give this guy a prize.

  • sabrekgb

    I’ve never understood why it even matters if being gay is a choice or not. It clearly isn’t in the sense that they mean, but even if it was…so what? The content of that choice gives no more reasonable justification for discrimination than if it was innate. Religion is a choice in the same way that bigots declare homosexuality a choice, yet it would be unthinkable for most of them to simply chose to stop having christian sex.

    Choice or innate…either way, gay would still be ok.

  • dingojack

    “.. chose to stop having christian sex.”

    In the missionary position, I assume.

    :) Dingo

  • upprunitegundanna

    Whenever I hear a statement like this, I always think of Wagner’s anti-Semitic polemic “Das Judenthum in der Musik”, which he wrote – he explains – in order to:

    “…explain to ourselves the involuntary repellence possessed for us by the nature and personality of the Jews, so as to vindicate that instinctive dislike which we plainly recognize as stronger and more overpowering than our conscious zeal to rid ourselves thereof.”

    So apparently anti-Semitism is also innate and natural, right? Surely if an intuitive revulsion against homosexuality must be right because it arises naturally, then Wagner and other anti-Semites must be correct to feel the way they do? And people who aren’t anti-Semitic are “brainwashed”, right?

  • matty1

    I’ll say it again, if being gay is a choice then discrimination against gays is exactly like discrimination against Christians.

    I propose a law against whatever church La Barbera attends.

  • scienceavenger

    @19 and @22 I don’t think the “religion is a choice too” is a very good argument. The correlation between one’s religious views and those of one’s parents and surrounding culture is extremely high. It’s a stretch to call this a choice, and equally a stretch to apply it to being gay.

    If a straight guy (as close to the 100% hetero pole as one can be) may wax gay for a moment, my understanding is that being gay means having an attraction to the same sex as you are. One can’t choose to have an attraction. Nurture one perhaps, seek out those that fit the bill, sure. One can certainly choose to be a celibate gay hermit, or involved in a heterosexual show marriage, but gay one will remain.

    The problem with LaBarbera and most of the anti-gay crowd is that they deny the basics. To them, being gay means having gay sex, in the same way being a vegetarian means not eating meat. There is no orientation in their world, that’s just another liberal weasel word that means “feelings”, and those are irrelevant. And since one does choose behavior, its ipso facto obvious to them that one chooses to be gay. There’s no hope for communication until they get over this. Luckily, the way the numvers are swinging, we won’t need to.

  • zmidponk

    Shatterface #16:

    Even if being gay was 100% choice that’s 100% a choice people are entitled to make for themselves.

    This is very true. However, the main reason I cannot comprehend it being a choice is the simple fact that I don’t ever recall choosing to be heterosexual – I just am. If it wasn’t a choice for me, why would it be a choice for people of any other sexuality?

    And if people are born homophobic, so what? They’re born incapable of using a toilet. Most people grow out of sitting in their own feces.

    Also true, but I would dispute that people are born homophobic. As I understand it, disgust and fear are instinctual reactions, but what to be disgusted at or afraid of is learned behaviour. As such, bring up a child in a non-homophobic environment, you get a non-homophobic person. Bring them up in a homophobic environment, you get a homophobic one.

  • http://cheapsignals.blogspot.com Gretchen

    If there was a natural revulsion for “homosexual behavior” (which, if he means butt-fucking? There clearly isn’t among straight men), that would explain why most people aren’t gay.

    It would not explain, much less justify, people being homophobes. Most people do not try to demonize and legally prosecute people who practice things which they, themselves, find repulsive. Very few people are in favor of imprisoning people who enjoy taxidermy, watching surgery performed, or eating anchovies on pizza. People are generally pretty live-and-let-live about those things. Nobody says that God hates you or you’re violating the laws of nature for doing them.

    So maybe, Peter LaBarbera, you’re the one who has been brain-washed? Just a thought.

  • freehand

    vmanis1: I will confess I didn’t watch the video. Listening to LaBarbera within 12 hours of eating tends to make me nauseous.

    .

    Me, too. And… I’m always eating.

  • bethy

    @19: I agree that if being gay was s choice then it still wouldn’t be ok to discriminate. But it is still highly offensive to me as a gay woman when someone says I could just choose to have married a man rather than a woman. It’s a denial of who I am as a person. It’s like telling me that deep down im attracted to men. And I’m just not. When someone says I chose to be gay they’re calling me a liar about my own feelings and denying my sense of self.

  • sabrekgb

    @27 bethy

    No, i totally get it, i’m just saying that even if we grant that being gay is a choice (or, i suppose, that having gay sex is, as it is framed by most bigots), it still doesn’t follow that people should be discriminated negatively for it.