Kokesh Defends The Murderer He Helped Inspire

Adam Kokesh, certified — and certifiable — gun fetishist, was one of the people who inspired Jared and Amanda Miller to go on their shooting spree in Las Vegas last week. And while he rails against the media for pointing that out, he also says it was okay for them to go out and shoot police officers.

“You’re not going to get away with it this time USA Today and SPLC,” Kokesh insisted, arguing that the shooters had acted because “authority has become a homicidal institution against freedom.”

Kokesh asserted that the slaying of the two officers was not “murder” because police are likely to kill people.

“Let’s say someone is going around stabbing people, like just stabbing people,” he opined. “It’s not murder to kill someone in that situation. And has been pointed out about the Vegas shooting, when you have police officers that are going around and doing violent things all day long, and then they take a break for lunch, well, it doesn’t mean all of the sudden they’re innocent or they’re being peaceful because they’re taking a break from all of their other anti-freedom, rights-violating violence.”

“Think of how many lives might have been saved by this incident. How many people would these cops have killed had they not been killed?” he asked. “We can only hope that some of the officers in America are listening — if you care about your own safety — to understand that you are hurting people, and you can only push them so far before they hit a breaking point.”

Kokesh argued that blaming Jerad and Amanda Miller was “kind of like blaming the victim,” adding that they could have been thinking about the time his home was raided after he posted the video of himself loading a shotgun in downtown D.C.

Yeah, he totally didn’t do or say anything related to the shooting, but he clearly wishes he had.

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  • Konradius

    Makes me think of something I thought up some time ago:

    This is a sign for shops in those states that have a stand your ground type law:

    According to the 2nd amendment you may bring your gun into this shop.

    However according to the stand your ground law we are then allowed to kill you.

  • comfychair

    So they were just exercising their 2nd Amendment right to preemptive just-in-case self defense.

  • jba55

    “Let’s say someone is going around stabbing people, like just stabbing people”

    Ok. Now what exactly does that have to do with what actually happened? If a cop was doing that he would be stopped by other cops. Hopefully. Never know with the CYA crap they pull.

  • marcus

    “Kokesh argued that blaming Jerad and Amanda Miller was ‘kind of like blaming the victim,'”

    There is not an irony meter made that can tolerate that kind of extreme abuse.

  • D. C. Sessions

    He’s got a point. On average, every cop in the USA kills at least two people a day.

  • moarscienceplz

    @#5 D. C. Sessions

    Are you being hyperbolic? Your statistic can’t possibly be true.

  • comfychair

    @#6: Of course it’s true. Why, I myself have been killed by cops 4 times in just the past week alone.

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    It appears that Adam KKKoKKKesh will be in a “target rich environment” come October:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/va-court-convicts-gun-rights-activist-adam-kokesh/2014/06/12/30eb6d3c-f262-11e3-9ebc-2ee6f81ed217_story.html

    but he won’t have teh gunz.

  • http://www.clanfield.net janiceintoronto

    Here in Canada the cops are required by law to consume at least two TimBits and 3 double-doubles -every day-!!!

    You guys are doing it wrong down there.

  • sharonb

    Ammosexual.

    The term you are searching for is “ammosexual.”

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    Weird, back when I was an accountant, I worked for the Homicidal Institution against Freedom. Then Superman destroyed our headquarters.

  • matty1

    I don’t like to do this but certifiable implies a genuine mental illness and you did say you were trying to stop comparing those with repellent views to the ill.

  • sabrekgb

    @1 Konradius

    “This is a sign for shops in those states that have a stand your ground type law:

    According to the 2nd amendment you may bring your gun into this shop.

    However according to the stand your ground law we are then allowed to kill you.”

    Bullshit. That’s not the point behind the concept of stand-your-ground, and someone who did that would be a murderer.

    I like a tongue-in-cheek sign as much as anyone, but there’s gotta be some humor involved. Your sign idea lacks that, as well as being untrue.

  • Synfandel

    I’m far from an expert on US state law, but as I understand the stand-your-ground laws, you have the right to use deadly force (i.e., shoot someone dead) if you feel that your life or property is threatened. If someone walks into your establishment openly carrying a firearm, it’s not hard to argue that you feel threatened.

    I predict that it won’t be long before someone in the ‘open carry’ movement demonstrates why openly carrying a gun, while it may be his constitutional right, is lethally unwise. The Darwin Awards committee is standing by.

  • D. C. Sessions

    At least in Georgia, the point of “stand your ground” is to give Real Americans a License to Kill (not available to lesser breeds.) If, in uncontested testimony, the victim is charging at the defendant (on the defendants property) with a deadly weapon in hand and the defendant shoots the victim, the defendant is guilty of murder — if he’s brown.

    Or at least that’s how the all-white jury ruled.

    As for the “concept of stand-your-ground” in Texas, a homeowner who calls 911 and goes out with shotgun in hand to “investigate” a possible burglary next door and kills both unarmed individuals he encounters is not prosecutable.

  • http://motherwell.livejournal.com/ Raging Bee

    So it’s okay to kill cops indiscriminately because some cops do bad things?

    Hey, I have an idea — let’s apply the same logic to gun nuts and business owners.

  • Akira MacKenzie

    Yes, and thanks to a 200-or-so-year-old scrape of paper, assholes like this are free to continue to inspire right-wing, gun-toting, traitors to murder people.

    Fuck the first amendment alongside the second.

  • sabrekgb

    @14 synfandel

    “If someone walks into your establishment openly carrying a firearm, it’s not hard to argue that you feel threatened.”

    If that weapon is properly slung or holstered, it definitely is hard to make that argument. In fact, there is case law, Attorney General guidance, and police training bulletins against it. The King County Sheriff’s office (Seattle, WA) said to their officers in 2006, “because open carry in Washington is presumably legal, the articulation must include something beyond mere, open possession.” [1]

    If someone shoots a person for mere open carry of a weapon, absent any actual threat (i would argue anywhere, but most definitely in places where it is legal), that person has committed murder.

    1. http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/agopinions/WashingtonStOpenCarryBulletin.pdf

  • sabrekgb

    @17 Akira MacKenzie

    Thats… Umm… Damn. Poe.

    Ok, I admit it, I can’t actually tell if you are being facetious or not. You rarely hear anyone say “fuck the first amendment”, even among people who say it of the second.

  • Artor

    As for myself, I don’t have a lot of sympathy for cops. Even the “good” ones are complicit in every act of violence & larceny their fellows commit, as long as they decline to speak out. But even so, do any of the murder-fetishists have any dirt on these guys? Are these particular cops guilty of murdering citizens? Have they been raping women in their patrol cars? Were they an imminent threat to anyone, while they were sitting and eating their pizza? If the shooters haven’t addressed these questions, then they are not Brave Defenders of the Truth™, but just murdering thugs. That is all.

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    “Bullshit. That’s not the point behind the concept of stand-your-ground, and someone who did that would be a murderer.”

    HahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

    That has to be one of the unintentionally funniest things I’ve read today.

    Stand your ground laws have been enacted at the behest of ALEC. the NRA and the fucking moronz that get elected in the name of “Job creation” and “Small gummint”.

    “If that weapon is properly slung or holstered, it definitely is hard to make that argument. In fact, there is case law, Attorney General guidance, and police training bulletins against it”

    And it is inconceivable that someone would murder someone and then claim that the decedent had instigated the confrontation. Yeah, that would never work in any court, outside the states with Castel Doctrine or SYG laws.

    Assholes will always be assholes, but when they get teh gunz they get to be RESPECTED assholes–cuz, or else!

    “Ok, I admit it, I can’t actually tell if you are being facetious or not. You rarely hear anyone say “fuck the first amendment”, even among people who say it of the second.”

    I see that you don’t know Akira McKenzie. That is because you haven’t spent enough time on this blog, a trend I hope to see continue until you stop coming altogether, troll.

  • sabrekgb

    @21 democommie

    Heavy on disdain, low on substance…i’m noticing a pattern. I will say, i did learn that you can overflow the comment frame with a long enough unbroken string.

    You must’ve missed the previous comment where i said i’ve been reading this blog for the better part of a decade. I’m not new here, though i suppose i just haven’t paid attention to this Akira. I’m not going anywhere, and i’m not a troll.

    “Assholes will always be assholes”

    You’re certainly doing your best to make that true.

  • Vicki, duly vaccinated tool of the feminist conspiracy

    By Kokesh’s own argument, since he and his followers are likely to kill people, the police would be justified in shooting him first.

  • matty1

    Fuck the first amendment alongside the second

    Let’s go for amendments bingo. How do you feel about the quartering of soldiers?

  • Nick Gotts

    That’s not the point behind the concept of stand-your-ground – sabrekgb

    Or at least, it’s the point only if the shopowner is white and the person openly carrying a firearm into the shop is black.

  • Nick Gotts

    How do you feel about the quartering of soldiers? – matty1

    Wouldn’t that be cruel and unusual punishment?

  • Akira MacKenzie

    I think you’ll find that if you check the comments section, I’ve been around far to long to be a Poe.

    And I’m dead fucking serious.

    I know It’s high heresy to speak ill of that wormy old piece of Colonial American fish-wrap authored by a bunch of greedy, slave-owning, capitalist shits, but it’s been a far more a barrier to order and social equality than it is worth. There are too many things that need to be done–alternative energy,environmental clean up, racial/sexual/GLBT equality, gun control, expanding secularism, dismantling the “free market,” etc.– that can’t wait for the bought-and-paid-for government or the redneck voters to agree to miraculously agree to do them voluntarily. Positive social change must rammed down the throats of the Right, but all we’re getting from what passes for a Left in America is placard waving and drum circles.

  • Crip Dyke, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden

    I actually have a great deal of respect for the constitution. TBH, when we compare it to constitutions like that of Canada or South Africa, we’re doing it a disservice: The Canada Act was passed in 1867 – after the US civil war – when 80+ years of experience with constitutional government (under the Articles first, then the Con) could be mined for lessons good and bad. The Slaughterhouse cases, the disemboweling of the privileges and immunities clause, the Lochner era decisions, and the substitution of the commerce clause for the general power to tax and spend were all problems created by the judiciary. The period from the civil war to WW1 and, to a lesser extent, continuing on until WW2 was a time of severely problematic jurisprudence (from my perspective). I’m not knowledgeable enough to say why this occurred, but my strong suspicions and a bit of selective data would have me (tentatively) say that SCOTUS had a very hard time reconciling the equal citizenship expressly granted by the constitution with the racism and sexism of the day. [Child labor and other problematic “freedom of contract” cases aside: I’m really not sure how those tie in – or don’t – with the racism and sexism I see in other court actions.]

    Post WW2 I think the court has done better, generally, though there’s clearly a reactionary movement against what I see as better jurisprudence.

    And that’s just to compare the Canada Act 1867 (originally known as the British North America Act 1867) with the US constitution. As modified by the Canada Act 1982 and the incorporated Charter of Rights and Freedoms, you have a constitution that has been very substantially revised during my lifetime.

    All this is to say that I don’t think the constitution as such is the problem. I think that we who are US citizens and voters don’t take seriously our duty to amend the constitution to improve it and make it more suitable to today’s context and problems – context and problems unforeseeable by the drafters or by the authors of the post-civil war amendments. Fortunately the drafters saw fit to create a document that was meant to be changed over time and created the mechanisms to do that.

    Unfortunately, we aren’t changing it.

    The fault, dear Brutus…

  • Synfandel

    Very well put, Reverend Crip Dyke. I would add that the piece of the US constitution most desperately in need of reconsideration, revision, and/or excision is the second amendment and it can’t wait much longer.

  • sabrekgb

    @27 Akira MacKenzie

    You sound politically scary. While i think i agree with about half of what you do, i’m not comfortable with the means you allude to to get the changes done. I’ll try not to mis-characterize your positions (ala democommie) until i actually hear them explicitly.

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    “I’ll try not to mis-characterize your positions (ala democommie) until i actually hear them explicitly.”

    This comes from a douchebag who relies on one 16 yo study from a gunzloonz friendly state to illustrate the point that CCW licensees are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more better at not breakin’ the law, breakin’ the law.

    Fuck off, troll.

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    “You must’ve missed the previous comment where i said i’ve been reading this blog for the better part of a decade. I’m not new here”

    Sure you’re not. You just never commented on any of the hundreds of threads either direcly or peripherally related to 2nd Amendment nonsense that I’ve commented on? Right.

    Fuck off, troll.

  • sabrekgb

    Inconceivable that there may have been a time before i registered to comment! “Long time listener, first time caller.” Hell, I remember reading it before the transition to ScienceBlogs, let alone FreeThoughtBlogs. The world doesn’t revolve around democommie and his colorful language full of “Z”s.

    Poor you, it’d be so nice to dismiss me as just some troll, i know. Don’t worry, though, you still don’t have to actually engage with what i say. On the future gun threads, you can keep on spouting “Z”s and ignoring substantive points to your tiny heart’s content :)

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    “Inconceivable that there may have been a time before i registered to comment! “Long time listener, first time caller.” Hell, I remember reading it before the transition to ScienceBlogs, let alone FreeThoughtBlogs. The world doesn’t revolve around democommie and his colorful language full of “Z”s.”

    Right. You read it for 10 or more years and never commented on any thread that I commented on? Bullshit.

    As I said a while back, I don’t give a flying fuck how many gunz you own, asshole. I don’t give a fuck how you feel about it. I do give a fuck that you and other fucking liars for the NRA like to pretend that your “facts” and “studies” outweigh the volume (which is in a ratio of several hundred to one) of studies and statistics that have been compiled and analyzed in the U.S. and abroad over the last 25-30 years–despite the fact that you and people like you refuse to furnish information and try to keep the CDC and others from gathering it from hospitals and police agencies.

    Basically, I reall dislike fucking liars, that would be you.

    Go fondle your penis substitute to your heart’s content and then stick it up your ass, moron.

  • sabrekgb

    “You read it for 10 or more years and never commented on any thread that I commented on?”

    That’s right, dipshit :) Turns out, the internet isn’t about you and the threads you comment on. I lurk on most sites i read.

    “you…liars for the NRA. you…refuse to furnish information and try to keep the CDC and others from gathering it from hospitals and police agencies”

    I don’t do any of that. I don’t have that power. I like science. You, though, seem incapable of not indulging in childish tribalist thinking; absolutely everything must be an “us vs them” situation. You never respond to what i say and just respond to what you think “people like [me]” think/would say. You seem to be trying to show that you’re a dullard whose only schtick is childish linguistic hyperbole and thrashing strawmen of “them”. You’re doing a good job of it.

    “Basically, I reall dislike fucking liars”

    Then you probably shouldn’t fuck them.

    You know what everyone thinks, eh? Seems like a cool skill you have there, maybe you should put it to work somewhere useful instead of raging at how I’m a liar on the internet for disagreeing with you.

    ” I don’t give a flying fuck how many gunz you own, asshole. I don’t give a fuck how you feel about it.”

    You do seem to care about it, even though you don’t actually know. You very much seem to care about what you think more than what you know. *shrug* Look back at our interaction and honestly ask yourself whose being the asshole here.