Mat Staver’s Sage Political Advice

Mat Staver, the dumbest lawyer in America not named Larry Klayman, went on Vic Eliason’s radio show last week and went full birther, demanding a congressional investigation into Obama’s birth certificate. Then he said that Congress should “stare down” Obama on budget issues. Yeah, because shutting down the government worked out so well for the GOP last time around with opposition at almost 80%.

“I think Congress certainly has the ability to do some investigation,” Staver said to a “Crosstalk” listener. “The problem that we have with the birth certificates is that the courts have really not given a full healing to some of those things because they have not granted most people’s standing, or the right to sue as individuals. I think Congress would certainly have that capability, at least at nothing else to conduct hearings.”

Staver also said that Congress should be “proceeding with impeachment” of the president over the purported scandals surrounding Benghazi, the IRS and the return of Sgt. Bowie Bergdahl.

He charged Republican lawmakers with falling asleep on the job: “There are things that the House should be doing that they’re not doing; they should be proceeding with impeachment. They should stare down Obama on these budget debates and not constantly give in, and I think that’s partly due to the Speaker of the House, John Boehner.”

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And of course, Obama is a communist Muslim:

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  • rationalinks

    Yes, shut down the government again and watch as you suddenly become the most hated party in the U.S. Good advice there Mat.

  • http://www.holytape.etsy.com holytape

    But those 80% that opposed the Republican’s historic brave stand are really American.

  • http://www.holytape.etsy.com holytape

    *aren’t (damn typo.)

  • dmcclean

    I don’t understand why these people can’t wrap their head around the fact that the electoral college has the authority to “investigate” and “give a full hearing” to this bullshit, and it’s such bullshit that nobody there even brought it up. So its over.

  • Menyambal

    I would argue that no matter where Obama was born, he was properly elected and sworn in.

    That is to say the people said that they didn’t care where he was born. We kinda did a referendum right there.

    And he was sworn in, legally. You could smuggle in a duck, and if it got through the oath, it would be president.

    But neither of those arguments need to ever come up. Because he was born in tne USA, of an American citizen.

    (John McCain was not born in the USA.)

  • dhall

    You don’t have to be born in the USA to be an instant citizen under the definition in the Constitution. You can be born anywhere, and as long as one of your parents is a US citizen, then so are you. Even if Obama had not been born in Hawaii, his mother was a US citizen, which makes him a US citizen too. That’s really all that matters, which is why it doesn’t matter where McCain was born either–his parents were US citizens. Otherwise, children born overseas to US military personnel wouldn’t qualify as citizens. It’s so weird that they won’t get over this and move on to something else. But then again, the real problem isn’t really whether or not he’s a citizen. It’s because he’s black. Period.

  • Alverant

    Does Staver support Ted Cruz for president? If he does, how would he tap dance around the fact Cruz was born in Canada?

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    They should stare down Obama on these budget debates

    That gave me an awesome mental picture. Of a bunch of complete dipshits who could have starred in “Men Who Stare at Presidents”

    the courts have really not given a full healing

    Because the courts are only level 80 healers, you need a level 90 priest or druid to do a full healing.

  • colnago80

    Re Alverant @ #7

    In addition, Ted’s father was not a US citizen at the time he was born.

  • coffeehound

    “The problem that we have with the birth certificates is that the courts have really not given a full healing to some of those things ….”

    Says the man too stupid to keep himself from ripping the scabs off…..

  • lorn

    Of course this whole thing about birtherism has to do with the simple fact that those people don’t feel, at a deeply visceral level, that Obama can be president. It just doesn’t feel right … so it can’t be true.

    On issue after issue the simple fact is that these people are ruled by a gut feelings. The earth doesn’t feel warmer so climate change is a lie. More brown people coming in doesn’t feel right so immigration reform isn’t good. Taking money away fro richer people and giving it to poorer people doesn’t feel right so tax reform can’t get through. Descending from primates doesn’t sound right so evolution can’t be right. Gay people touching each other feels icky so we can’t have any of that. 9/11 happens so bombing people and invading another country feels right.

    The turtle brain makes all the decisions and then, and only then, does the logical mind applied to provide methods and rational underpinning to the irrational.

    A black man, a moderate conservative in the Nixon model, but with a ‘D’ beside his name, becomes president and it just doesn’t feel right to a large subset of Americans. And if it doesn’t feel right … it can’t be right. After that it is just a matter of feeling around for a some sort of logic, reason, law or precedent to prove what they have known deep down all along, Obama doesn’t belong in office and he should be removed.

  • Trebuchet

    You don’t have to be born in the USA to be an instant citizen under the definition in the Constitution. You can be born anywhere, and as long as one of your parents is a US citizen, then so are you. Even if Obama had not been born in Hawaii, his mother was a US citizen, which makes him a US citizen too.

    The problem is with the phrase “natural born”. Nobody knows what it means.

    But then again, the real problem isn’t really whether or not he’s a citizen. It’s because he’s black. Period.

    You’re absolutely correct on that one, of course.

  • dogmeat

    You don’t have to be born in the USA to be an instant citizen under the definition in the Constitution. You can be born anywhere, and as long as one of your parents is a US citizen, then so are you. Even if Obama had not been born in Hawaii, his mother was a US citizen, which makes him a US citizen too.

    Actually there is a weird little quirk in our system wherein you are a citizen if born outside the US:

    If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is not, the child is a citizen if the U.S. citizen parent has been “physically present”in the U.S. before the child’s birth for a total period of at least five years, and at least two of those five years were after the U.S. citizen parent’s fourteenth birthday.

    I have a friend who ran into this one. His grandfather was overseas a lot, whole family was, and she actually hadn’t been in the US enough for his citizenship to count.

  • laurentweppe

    You don’t have to be born in the USA to be an instant citizen under the definition in the Constitution. You can be born anywhere, and as long as one of your parents is a US citizen, then so are you

    The birthers do not give a shit about that: they don’t believe their own conspiracy fairy tales, it’s just more expendiant that honestly saying:

    Democracy sucks because we don’t win every time and we’d really love to pull a coup and beat all you leftists into craven submission

  • D. C. Sessions

    dogmeat, that clause came up many times before. In context, it’s with regards to someone who is claiming citizenship because of a naturalized parent. A born citizen is not a problem.

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    “Mat Staver’s Sage Political Advice”

    What? Put it in a turkey, “smudge” it, smoke it?

  • https://www.facebook.com/wes.aaron.5 Wes Aaron

    Oh I though his political advise would be. “The horse is only playing dead, beat it some more!”

    Judeo-Christian? You keep using that word? Is it a word?

  • yoav

    When did the IRS returned Bowie Bergdahl to Benghazi?

  • https://www.facebook.com/jim.blair.3367174 Jim Blair

    As far as the budget goes, face it…there are no limits on spending.

    The National Debt is approaching 20 Trillion, and will soon exceed the GDP, and massive inflation and implosion will eventually follows.

    Its mathematically inevitable at this point, not matter who is elected.

    The party will soon be over.

  • dingojack

    Jim Blair – see Jim, that’s what happens when you only listen to the blatherings on FAUX News, you get all histrionic then depressed.

    In fact, the debt burden is around 71% of the US’s GDP and the deficit is down to 4.1% of GDP (about $860 billion for FY 2012-3) and declining (more or less) since 2009.

    Take a couple of the nice pills and listen to this.

    .

    😀 Dingo

  • Christoph Burschka

    partly due to the Speaker of the House, John Boehner.

    It helps to know that this insanity isn’t even intended for the general public; it’s a war inside the Republican party to see who can be the craziest.

  • colnago80

    Re dogmeat @ #13

    If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is not, the child is a citizen if the U.S. citizen parent has been “physically present”in the U.S. before the child’s birth for a total period of at least five years, and at least two of those five years were after the U.S. citizen parent’s fourteenth birthday.

    That is correct as we sit here today. However, at the time of Obama’s birth, the requirement was all five of those years after the U.S. citizen’s 14th birthday. Ann Dunham was a few weeks shy of her 18th birthday when Obama was born so that, if the birthers could ever come up with clear and convincing evidence that she gave birth somewhere outside the US, they might have a case. This has been discussed on the Volokh Conspiracy web site. Law Professor Eugene Volokh has opined that the earlier law would apply and that Obama would be ineligible. However, others have argued that the later law would apply under the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment. Of course, the issue is irrelevant as the birthers have not produced a jot or a tittle of evidence of a foreign birth and there is a ton of evidence that he was born on August 4, 1961 at a hospital in Hawaii.

  • caseloweraz

    Yoav: When did the IRS return Bowie Bergdahl to Benghazi?

    During the last blood moon.

    These things are just more signs of the imminence of the End Times when the world — or Tea Paty intransigence — will end.

  • dogmeat

    dogmeat, that clause came up many times before. In context, it’s with regards to someone who is claiming citizenship because of a naturalized parent. A born citizen is not a problem.

    Actually DC, that isn’t accurate. As I pointed out with my friend, his mother was a natural born US citizen, his father was British. The issue, in his case, was that his mother hadn’t been in the country enough for his citizenship to be valid unless he was born in the US. Someone at one of our embassies screwed up and told her it was fine. She went back to live with her in-laws and had my friend in England when she could have just as easily traveled to the US and stayed with her family. He ended up being the only member of his family that wasn’t a citizen prior to obtaining citizenship about 5-10 years ago.

    coinage @22

    That is correct as we sit here today

    Thank you, I am aware of that. I was only pointing it out to dhall that the question is a bit more complicated than that. I agree that there has been no substantial evidence presented by any birther that would suggest he was born outside the US. Personally I consider the idea utterly ludicrous, there is no way in the world Clinton would have let the nomination slip through her fingers like that. To suggest that McCain wouldn’t have seized upon that in his last bid for the presidency? Utterly laughable.