Bigots Want Civil Disobedience Against Marriage Equality

On Wednesday one federal district court struck down Indiana’s ban on same-sex marriage and the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the overturning of Utah’s ban. The Christian right was predictably outraged and BarbWire’s Jeff Allen is just plain foaming at the mouth:

Federal courts in Indiana and Utah on Wednesday blatantly overthrew the will of the people and subversively imposed same-sex “marriage” on the citizens of both states. The judicial oligarchy (tyranny of the few) continues flexing the muscle of its apparently unchecked power. The death of democracy is undeniably upon us. Each victory for the homosexual activists represents another nail in America’s coffin…

These recent developments are eerily reminiscent of the words of Jesus in Luke 22:53, “But this is [their] hour—when darkness reigns.”

The light of morality and freedom is being brutishly snuffed out right before our very eyes. It’s a national tragedy unfolding at an accelerating pace.

And this is not a good harbinger of things to come — unless our elected leaders and Christians defiantly rise up and engage in civil disobedience.

I always laugh at these calls for civil disobedience. What exactly do they think people should do? During the Vietnam War, civil disobedience meant refusing to be drafted. What’s the equivalent, refusing to get gay married? Knock yourselves out. Boycott Broadway musicals? I don’t get what civil disobedience they’re imagining that could possibly be a problem for anyone.

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  • D. C. Sessions

    At least they’re consistent. Remember all of the mass demonstrations that they organized against Citizens United? Or the ones they’re planning right now over the SCOTUS decision to overturn laws on abortion-clinic buffer zones?

  • Chiroptera

    What’s the equivalent, refusing to get gay married?

    Heh. That’s what I was thinking.

    I suspect, though, that they are trying to get good Christian county clerks to not issue marriage licenses to gay couples. Maybe get business people like cake bakers and photographers to defy anti-discrimination laws.

    Also, they may be trying to tap into the apparently wide spread fear that churches are going to be forced to gay marry people.

  • John Pieret

    I suppose they are thinking (for suitably loose definitions of “thinking:) of county clerks refusing, despite the law, to issue marriage licenses to same sex couples; refusing to perform same sex marriages and the ever popular holding their breath until they turn blue.

  • dugglebogey

    Actually, these recent developments are eerily reminiscent of the civil rights era.

  • matty1

    These recent developments are eerily reminiscent of the words of Jesus in Luke 22:53, “But this is [their] hour—when darkness reigns.”

    That isn’t even close to the context. Jesus isn’t comparing some event to a reign of darkness he is asking the priests and temple guards why they are arresting him at night when he has been visiting their temple frequently in the day.

    I think there may be an implication here that they know they are doing wrong and want to hide it but even if I’m wrong it sure as fuck isn’t about gay marriage.

  • dingojack

    Can RRWNJ’s even do disobedience?

    I suspect it’ll be a few pensioners driving their mobility scooters around outside registry offices (or the equivalent) holding up poorly lettered signs saying: ‘DoG hAteZ FaGgZ’ (or the like).

    @@ Dingo

    —————

    Go as a counter-protest with a sign that says 1 Samuel 18:1-4.

  • raven

    There is a bible verse for everything. After all the giant Rorschach blot says anything you want it to.

    A Tree and its Fruit

    15″Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16″You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?…

    Far as we know, all prophets are false prophets.

    I wouldn’t call the current batch of fundie xian right wingnuts inwardly ravenous wolves. They are more like rats, parasitic worms, and gerbils that have suffered a head injury.

  • Synfandel

    Each victory for the homosexual activists represents another nail in America’s coffin…

    [clang]

    Bring out your dead!

    CUSTOMER: Here’s one.

    CART MASTER: Nine pence.

    DEAD PERSON: I’m not dead!

    CART MASTER: What?

    CUSTOMER: Nothing. Here’s your nine pence.

    DEAD PERSON: I’m not dead!

    CART MASTER: ‘Ere. He says he’s not dead!

    CUSTOMER: Yes, he is.

    DEAD PERSON: I’m not!

    CART MASTER: He isn’t?

    CUSTOMER: Well, he will be soon. He’s very ill.

    DEAD PERSON: I’m getting better!

    CUSTOMER: No, you’re not. You’ll be stone dead in a moment.

    CART MASTER: Oh, I can’t take him like that. It’s against regulations.

    DEAD PERSON: I don’t want to go on the cart!

    CUSTOMER: Oh, don’t be such a baby.

    CART MASTER: I can’t take him.

    DEAD PERSON: I feel fine!

    CUSTOMER: Well, do us a favor.

    CART MASTER: I can’t.

    CUSTOMER: Well, can you hang around a couple of minutes? He won’t be long.

    CART MASTER: No, I’ve got to go to the Robinsons’. They’ve lost nine today.

    CUSTOMER: Well, when’s your next round?

    CART MASTER: Thursday.

    DEAD PERSON: I think I’ll go for a walk.

    CUSTOMER: You’re not fooling anyone, you know. Look. Isn’t there something you can do?

    DEAD PERSON: [singing] I feel happy. I feel happy.

    [whop]

    CUSTOMER: Ah, thanks very much.

    CART MASTER: Not at all. See you on Thursday.

    CUSTOMER: Right. All right.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grbSQ6O6kbs

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    During the Vietnam War, civil disobedience meant refusing to be drafted. What’s the equivalent, refusing to get gay married?

    You could steal a riff from Ted Nugent and shit yourself. Then nobody’d want to gay marry you.

  • Trebuchet

    You could steal a riff from Ted Nugent and shit yourself. Then nobody’d want to gay marry you.

    Sure they would. Because Gay Bowel Syndrome.

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gay_bowel_syndrome

  • D. C. Sessions

    Synfandel’s on a roll today.

    Of course, there’s a Monte Python for just about any thread topic.

  • vereverum

    These recent developments are eerily reminiscent of the words of Jesus in Luke 22:53, “But this is [their] hour—when darkness reigns.

    Furthering what matty1 said, just before this statement he healed one of those who came to arrest him and just after it he went willingly with them. The whole pericope is about healing and submission to authority.

  • Scientismist

    “[I]t sure as fuck isn’t about gay marriage.” Well, some may think their pastor will be forced to officiate, and the parishioners will be required to attend the reception, but that level of delusion is probably rare. A somewhat larger number are concerned that, with so many people openly living a “sinful” life, their God will wreak vengeance with earthquakes and hurricanes. But the sophisticated religion vendors are worried that the brand is loosing its grip on the wider culture, that too many people are coming to understand that plate tectonics and climatology trump the fear of sin and wrath. Sales are beginning to slump. What to do? An old-fashioned revival won’t cut it any more; it needs a better hook, an attention grabber, like confrontation and civil disobedience.

    Cake and flower vendors is a good place to start, but expect it to expand from there. By Monday we will have some idea of where the SCOTUS wants to draw the line in one conflict between religious privilege and civil behavior. Expect Christian conservatives to do what they can to foment more conflict and to push the line as far as possible. It’s not just their narrow definition of marriage, but the entire myth of their moral hegemony that is endangered. Their power to control the civil culture (and to profit from doing so) has for a long time been encoded into law, and to see that slipping away is frightening and enraging. They will fight however they can to preserve it.

  • D. C. Sessions

    Expect Christian conservatives to do what they can to foment more conflict and to push the line as far as possible.

    And right on schedule: right after the Court’s ruling in City of Greece, Huntsville AL (which has had eclectic opening prayers for some time) bowed to the fundies and told a Wiccan priest he was not welcome after having scheduled him. And the fear and loathing of the fundies was given explicitly as the reason.

    I have no problem seeing the Roberts Court endorsing this, because after all Wicca isn’t traditional.

  • http://artk.typepad.com ArtK

    I think that “civil disobedience” in this case consists of screaming “I don’ wanna”, rolling on the ground kicking and then holding their breath until they turn blue. In other words, a 3yo’s tantrum.

  • jonathangray

    Chiroptera:

    Also, they may be trying to tap into the apparently wide spread fear that churches are going to be forced to gay marry people.

    Is it legal in the US for churches to refuse to perform mixed-race marriages?

  • chilidog99

    What is hugely ironic is that there is a movement of civil disobedience in favor of marriage equality.

    A number of county clerks around the nation are defying state laws and issuing same sex marriage licences.

  • Chiroptera

    johathangray, #16: Is it legal in the US for churches to refuse to perform mixed-race marriages?

    It is as far as I know. Someone may correct me if I am wrong.

  • http://dontlinkmebro F [i’m not here, i’m gone]

    To give them their illusion of civil disobedience, I would happily pepper spray them, cuff them, and drag them down some stairs. If they can make it back up the stairs after I un-cuff them, they are free to wait for another go-around. Happy to help.

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    “Is it legal in the US for churches to refuse to perform mixed-race marriages?”

    Clueless fucktard.

  • davedell

    I recall some Vietnam war protestors and gasoline ignition. Didn’t do much good but it got coverage.

  • jonathangray

    democommie:

    Clueless fucktard.

    Why would I know? I’m not a Yank. I’m surprised it’s legal.

  • colnago80

    Re Jonathangray @ #16

    There is no requirement in the US for a minister, priest,or rabbi to marry anybody. They decline to conduct mixed religious marriages every day of the week.

  • Chiroptera

    jonathangray, #22: I’m surprised it’s legal.

    Here in the US, it’s call the ministerial exception.

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    “Why would I know? I’m not a Yank. I’m surprised it’s legal.

    It has never, ever stopped you from bloviating out of your piehole about anything else that doesn’t happen where you live, dickwad.

    But thanks for that.

    The next time I see one of your racist or anti-atheist screeds I’ll just have to pop back here for the quote.

    Fuck off, troll.

  • vereverum

    @ jonathangray passim

    Many don’t know since, because it is legal, the situation never arises in their experience. There was a case recently (EB made a post about it) but that was in Denmark (I believe) and the reason was it is a state church and in the western tradition thanks to (memory is failing but I believe it was) Henry, the 8th of that name, who

    put his foot down and the state is the senior partner in a state church relation. Something we don’t have here.

  • dingojack

    Henry 8 Was King of Denmark?!? *

    WowI learn something wrongish every day!!!

    Dingo

    ———

    * ‘Something rotten in the kingdom of Denmark’

  • vereverum

    @dingojack

    Ach. Got me on that one. Though he did claim to be king of France.

  • jonathangray

    So should ministerial exception be dispensed with and the state become the ‘senior partner’ in the US?

    Should it be illegal for churches to refuse to perform interracial marriages?

    If so, should it also be illegal for churches to refuse to perform homosexual marriages?

    Isn’t the latter every bit as bigoted & unacceptable as the former?

  • jonathangray

    [dingojack – it’s “state of Denmark”]

  • vereverum

    @ jonathangray #29

    1: There are a few who would say yes but they are a tiny minority. If, however, it was removed the state would still not be a senior partner because there is no state church to partner. If you are speaking of a de facto senior partner such as making laws to that effect, it would run afoul of the first amendment.

    2: The question is a non-starter due to the first amendment.

    3: See #2.

    4: This is a cultural issue. You are free, in the US anyway, to believe and expound your beliefs whatever they are on this issue. Reading this blog will provide much evidence to the veracity of that statement.