‘Private Attorney General’ Rants at Bundy Ranch

So the gaggle of wingnuts at the Bundy Ranch in Nevada decided to set up a camera and get up one by one to speak their minds. The results are highly amusing. Especially the “private attorney general” who explained that you can break any law you want if you’re prepared to rebut it.

Videos posted online show the scofflaw rancher’s supporters explaining their ideologies in lengthy lectures, such as one posted earlier this month that shows “private attorney general” Jeff Ball explaining that laws don’t apply to individuals if they understand how to rebut them.

“I want to give you guys the basic chain of command, all right?” said Ball, of the Citizens Action Network. “Up at the top of this tree is the creator, whoever your creator is, that’s where the creator’s at. The one below that is you, okay? So your original contract was with the creator.”…

“The earth is our inheritance, OK, but what these guys are trying to do is third-party their way into it,” Ball said. “So here’s how they want you to believe the chain of command goes: God, the Vatican, Washington, D.C., the city of London.”

Ball claimed London controlled the world’s finances, while Washington created war and kept slaves in line by “taxing them to death,” and he argued that the Vatican interfered with an individual’s contract with the creator.

“You guys have a contract with the creator and this earth is your inheritance,” he said. “That’s it; there is no more. You’re not subject to anybody, as long as you don’t hurt anybody. If you create injury on somebody, then that’s a different story.”

Ball argued that the state could not be a claimant under common law, but he said government prosecutors unlawfully did so in nearly every criminal proceeding.

“There’s no claimant,” he said. “The state’s not allowed to be a claimant, yet they do that every day. If you don’t rebut it, then that means you consent to it, and they move forward with it and they subjugate you to it.”

Well okey dokey then. I went to the website of the Private Attorney Generals Group and they apparently like to lie through their teeth. The front page includes this quote:

“People have the unbridled right to empanel their own grand juries and present “True Bills” of indictment to a court, which is then required to commence a criminal proceeding.

~ United States v. Williams, 112 S.Ct. 1735, 504 U.S. 36, 118 L.Ed.2d 352 (1992) ~

So I looked up that ruling. Here’s the syllabus, the majority opinion and the dissent. That quote appears nowhere. In fact, the words “unbridled” and “empanel” can be found nowhere in the text. The case had nothing to do with those “citizen grand juries” that these people are so fond of, it deals with the question of whether a court should dismiss charges from a grand jury if the prosecutor fails to reveal exculpatory evidence prior to indictment (and the answer was no).

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  • Kevin Kehres

    I remember that case. I always knew the grand juries were empaneled for the benefit of the prosecution, but always thought it strange that any prosecutor would seek a bill of indictment against an individual when there was a strong likelihood that they would be acquitted.

    I thought exculpatory evidence would be something prosecutors would want to show a grand jury — kinda helps them keep a high conviction rate. But … nope. That’s not how it works. OK, then. More billable hours for defense attorneys.

  • raven

    It’s magical thinking.

    Magical thinking never works.

    There are quite a few Sovereign Citizens in prison, including Kent Hovind, who found this out the hard way.

  • Al Dente

    Ball claimed London controlled the world’s finances

    Wall Street might dispute this claim.

  • StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    Private Attorney General’ Rants at Bundy Ranch

    So ..

    What does Lieutenant general Attornery General reckon o’ tha’ eh?

  • StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    @Al Dente : I think the usual answer for that is teh Juuuuzzz!!! Dey own theythink!

    Aint it?

    Everybody always blames ’em. For everything. No?

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    What a boob. Everybody knows all you have to say is the secret word, “Tubal-cain”.

  • StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    Correction dats :

    everythink!

  • StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    @ Modusoperandi : Ssshhh! Don’ give it away!

  • http://www.ranum.com Marcus Ranum

    You may-a notta believe inna da government, but the government-a, she believe inna you.

  • Pierce R. Butler

    Will Obama and Holder finally react against the Bundy Bunch threatening federal personnel with firearms, setting up “checkpoints” on public roads, etc, after the November elections so as to avoid giving the teabaggers a cause celebré?

    Or will they continue to “look forward, not backward” even after the voting, in accordance with the long-standing legal principle of IOKIYAR?

  • caseloweraz

    I predict that “private attorney general” Jeff Ball is about to get a kick in his privates — legally speaking.

    I wonder if he’s related to Tim Ball of Canada. There does seem to be a spiritual kinship; both espouse nutty ideas.

  • John Pieret

    The case had nothing to do with those “citizen grand juries” that these people are so fond of

    I think I see where it comes from. For example, in the syllabus is this:

    … the grand jury is an institution separate from the courts, over whose functioning the courts do not preside. Any power federal courts may have to fashion, on their own initiative, rules of grand jury procedure is very limited and certainly would not permit the reshaping of the grand jury institution that would be the consequence of the proposed rule here.

    Of course, what they are missing is that grand juries are created by state and Federal governments … citizens don’t just walk in off the street to form a grand jury, they get summons to appear for grand jury duty, they get paid for their service and the state or Federal government provides the location, the court reporters, the prosecutor and all the other support resources. The fact that the courts have little control doesn’t mean the government doesn’t.

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    I empanelled a “Grand Jury” or one, Buddy the Wonderdog. I asked him a number of questions about whether we should arrest PAG Ball and his like minded brethren for treason and told him that since he lacks the ability to speak English I would give him an easy way to deal with the decision making process.

    I put out a nice, homemade dog biscuit as I asked each question and said, “If you agree with this, eat the biscuit”. Those fuckers are in deep shit.

  • busterggi

    I want to see the signed, notarized copy of the contract between Ball and his creator.

    If it was a verbal contract I want to see the video and depositions from the witnesses that were there.

  • bobcarroll

    buster, oral means “spoken,” verbal means “using words,”as in “An oral contract isn’t worth the paper it’s not written on.”.

  • EnlightenmentLiberal

    Just wow. I love how the one world government insanity comes in. They think that the US government reports to the Vatican? That’s news to me. And here I thought the US federal government claimed it was a sovereign state.

  • http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/User:Modusoperandi Modusoperandi

    EnlightenmentLiberal “And here I thought the US federal government claimed it was a sovereign state.”

    That is exactly what they would say if they were secretly pawns of the Rand Corporation, the Trilateral Commission and a Secretive Cabal of Papist Jews!

  • dingojack

    MO – and the Lizard People, don’t forget the Lizard People!

    😉 Dingo

  • dingojack

    “You guys have a contract with the creator and this earth is your inheritance,” he said. “That’s it; there is no more. You’re not subject to anybody, as long as you don’t hurt anybody. If you create injury on somebody, then that’s a different story.” *

    A short musical interlude.

    Dingo

    ——-

    * And if you ‘create an injury on somebody’ (not ‘injure someone’ notice, but a more passive construction), then what? Do we wait for god to send down a tornado to punish Kansas?

  • http://sidhe3141.blogspot.com JamesY2

    Ball argued that the state could not be a claimant under common law, but he said government prosecutors unlawfully did so in nearly every criminal proceeding.

    “There’s no claimant,” he said. “The state’s not allowed to be a claimant, yet they do that every day. If you don’t rebut it, then that means you consent to it, and they move forward with it and they subjugate you to it.”

    I wonder how this will work when Jeff: of the family ball tries it in court.

  • sc_770d159609e0f8deaa72849e3731a29d

    “You guys have a contract with the creator and this earth is your inheritance,”

    Do we have a contract with the creator at all? After all, we weren’t consulted over whether we would be created or the way we were created or the effects of our creation. Surely our creation and its consequences are coercions and we can disregard the claims of whatever says it created us.

  • raven

    We have a contract with am invisible creator who is nowhere and does nothing.

    Which works out well.

    No one knows what is in the contract either.

  • dingojack

    JamesY2 – Not to mention if Jeff murders his dear old dad. Murder is not defined by Statute Law but by Common Law, and since one party is not really in a position to complain to a court, the State does so on their behalf (in the US, the police and the District Attorney I suppose).

    Dingo

    ——–

    ‘8.) If any of my barons commit a crime, he shall not bind himself to the crown with a payment as was done in the time of my father and brother, but shall stand for the crime as was custom and law before the time of my father, and make amends as are appropriate. Anyone guilty of treachery or other heinous crime shall make proper amends.

    9.) I forgive all murders committed before I was crowned. Subsequent murders shall stand before the justice of the Crown.’ – Charter of Liberties (1100).

  • http://polrant@blogspot.com democommie

    @22:

    If there was an ad for “Your relationship with GOD!”, it would extoll all of the virtues of having an invisible pal who makes sure that no matter what happens, it’s all according to HIS PLAN. After all of the “jump cuts” and other cute filming tricks of the Garden, Noah’s Ark, Pharoah’s army gettin’ drowned, the magi and BABY JESUS, snot-nosed MESSIAH dissin’ the Sanhedrin in the Temple, JESUS gettin’ pwned by the same folks, dying horribly on the TRUE CROSS and risin’ from the dead to tell his crew, “You’re on your own, but I’ll be with you in SPIRIT, doods!”…the glorious strains of Handel’s “Messiah” would fade while the voice over guy zoomed to about 240 wpm with all of the barely heard caveats about prior results being no guarantee, etc.,.

  • pocketnerd

    Thus Spake ZaraJamesY2, #20

    I wonder how this will work when Jeff: of the family ball tries it in court.

    Probably exactly as well as it has worked every other time a Sovereign Citizen has tried it in court: Not at all. That doesn’t stop them from crowing victory, of course — even if they’re doing it from the confines of a jail cell…

  • http://www.pandasthumb.org Area Man

    “Private attorney general”? Isn’t that sort of like a private Senator, or a private President? In other words, something that makes no sense at all?

  • https://www.facebook.com/wes.aaron.5 Wes Aaron

    Sounds like we need more “Judge Dredd”.

    Have been reading the comics because it is a satire of “American Law” from the British writer’s point of view. Even though Dredd is a hard-ass, he is fair.

    On a more serious note, the only judge and jury in this life is one that can be demonstrated by empirical evidence. Until then, the religious people should follow the laws of the land first.

    A private government with it’s own “Bill of Rights”. Well convince the state to secede from the U.S. And when your citizens are starving and you cannot afford you own protection let alone oil and all other benefits that come from membership, you can appreciate that we need to get along as a country instead of your petty ideals. This is if the people haven’t already hung the idiots out to dry and begged to be a part of the Union once more.